Jonny Wilkinson - Full Extended Episode | High Performance Podcast
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2024
- In the most thought-provoking conversation we've EVER had on the podcast, Jonny Wilkinson candidly shares his wisdom and lessons that may surprise you, will intrigue you and hopefully, help and inspire you.
Jonny was a relentlessly driven, ultra competitive, hard-nosed winner, famous for being the talisman who helped England lift the Rugby World Cup in 2003.
In the years since he finished a stellar career, one he said he "survived", he has been on a courageous quest to understand himself and discover true, lasting fulfilment and sustained happiness.
I hope you enjoy this chat as much as we did!
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The High Performance Podcast offers an intimate glimpse into the lives of high-achieving, successful individuals. It doesn’t matter where our guest has excelled - in sport, music, business or entertainment - they all have first-hand experiences and lessons to share. Find out what non-negotiable behaviours they employed to get them to the top, and keep them there.
Hosting every conversation is sports broadcaster Jake Humphrey and leading organisational psychologist Professor Damian Hughes. Jake is currently BT Sport’s Premier League anchor and former face of BBC’s Formula One coverage. Damian continues to work with leading sports organisations and teams to create a high performing culture.
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Possibly the greatest podcast of all time. I've listened to this 3 times so far.
Actually this is the greatest podcast of all time. Absolutely incredible. Spiritual awakening has now officially entered Rugby Union!!!
Agreed - I had no idea about his outlook. I am instantly engaged. Turns out he only lives about 5 miles from me too I realised. Might go get some life lessons off him!
Yeah! Hope they will have ideas and posibility to hoast this kind of interesting athletes.
Same mate, tell me when you find more.
Dude, I'm like 5 min in and had it on passively whilst I'm getting on with my work. Had to come to the browser to see if this is Jonny. I can already agree with this statement
Came for rugger chat, left with borderline religious awakening.
ha ha ha so true !!
It was very, very deep.
Your comment is great 😁
You have no idea on life. This mans enlightenment is breath taking
He's gone full Yoda and i'm into it.
So are we!!
The force is strong with this one !
It's crazy that only 100,000 people have seen this.
MILLIONS NEED TO SEE THIS.
Jonny has built himself up to the highest standard then broke it all down and rebuilt it again to another level in a profound way. What a great episode.
My sporting hero when I was younger,couldn't have asked for better role model
Sounds like a spiritual awakening
100%
He must be a Buddhist, listening to this.
"All of societys problems stem from mans inability to sit quietly in a room alone" Blaise Pascal... wow what an interview. Well done Johnny, there is only now. Its the only moment there ever can be. Live it.
Jonny’s point about children being what they want to be is spot on. When a young child says they are superman - they are superman. They are totally invested in that moment. We teach children to lose that habit of being invested in the moment and I wonder whether that is wise.
This is the most unexpectedly insightful conversation I’ve listened to in a very long time. There is so much in here to get stuck into. Well done to the three of you.
I hope this encourages the continual shift in sports psychology. The impact on the athletes will be huge, but also the fans who admire these people. Please can we all go on a similar journey of evolution.
Ideas I picked up from this gentle sage. Sorry for your years of pain and struggle with pressure Jonny - but now you have transmuted so much of it into 💎 true pearls of wisdom.
In each moment- are you going to control it or explore it.
Prepare to let the old identity die to live with full presence in every moment - but to defend this rigid idea of perfection. The past has not defined you just be in the moment.
Be fluid not rigid by being fully in the moment.
If I fail or succeed here what will this mean? Forget that - just be. Don’t defend your ego (self-importance). Stay in flow. Be curious where you have disappointment.
Love every moment. Breathe it in. Don’t put pressure on self or team. Help them feel the way they need to feel- liberated, effortless.
Passion is retained by seeing the space of opportunity for growth whether through loss or wins. Even invincibility becomes winning. Instead be prepared to explore and be open to whatever outcome presents itself.
You can see success as internal or external.
Which can you have a baring on? The internal one is a journey- let go of old conclusions and rigid ideas. Be open.
Passion and performance come from joy which come about through deep engagement.
Don’t get attached to arriving in that state - it’s a moment. Then it’s the next moment - keep engaging.
Be curious to explore - there is no perfect.
Our bodies may be declining but our spirits are still growing.
Who you are now is who you choose to be now. You are not a result of everything you’ve been through. Leadership is who you are now.
You hold your potential. So many of the voices in your head are the ‘apparent you’ constituted of old ideas. Fear of failure and the future - these are just the ‘apparent you’ not the real you.
Instead of living in your mind - you have memory and imagination - who you are is not crystallised.
Now is not the result of the past. Now is the state of living in the moment not living through between a past and future point.
You can’t see the world differently until you see yourself differently. Let go of everything- ask;
How do you feel at your very best?
Just follow the truth. A person is part of a greater system. Don’t delineate between work/home - you are fluid between one and over. Don’t bring the story of lifting a World Cup is more important than lifting a cup of tea. Otherwise you get attached and rigid by what you’ve made that mean about who you are.
Go back to be nothing on the inside. Who are you? Undecided potential in every moment.
If… ‘I like the first word already’ = because it offers possibility and undecided potential.
Enjoy the moment of tension and stay present. Instead of succumbing to the pressure remember- everything that happens in the now, you’re well equipped for. When the future becomes the now you’re well equipped for that.
‘I just want to live this moment with all of me’
Every time you return to the unknown, be unknown yourself, then you can be excited by all the unknowns.
This is confidence. It’s about feel - the body and oneness about what you want to achieve. It’s the body and feel. Each one is a brand new journey- whether it goes in or not.
You never live a consequence in the now.
There’s the journey of time but there’s also the full engagement of the moment.
Self awareness means we can connect to the creative force that we are. These are goals. As we become less self-important the goals are less selfish and more visions that affect others. It becomes in service to others and less about self and more about others.
A question like ‘I’m the best in the world’ doesn’t matter so ‘I’ll be the best I can be’ which is also fear, stress,expectation and is a limited idea so instead; ‘I’ll be all I can be’ which then goes beyond rugby.
Injuries are messages. Life involves physical and mental health explore that first.
Humphries asks; “Schopenhauer said first they’ll laugh- then oppose you - finally accept it as common sense.
Where are you?”
But that question doesn’t matter to JW. It’s not about where he is, it’s where society is with these ideas.
“If I need things to be a certain way then I’m held hostage to them”
Everyone has their own idea of right or wrong or how things should be. Liberate ourselves both from others’ opinions and expectations of us and of our own.
I have no idea of what’s right or wrong. Everyone is where they are supposed to be.
To think I know anything about anyone else! After the World Cup I thought I knew! I eradicated the idea of passion having any baring on performance.
Accept the past. I’m not the result of the past. I’m not attached to who I was then. It has nothing to do with who I am now. I’m fresh and brand new.
Your past is not one story or narrative. Explore memories in different ways - we see things as we are now.
It’s irrelevant that I might have done things differently and regret it.
How do you want your life to be.
Not:
How do you want your life to turn out?
You may feel stressed and anxious when you want to feel effortless.
It may or may not be fine. Go and explore
No matter what happens - your worth and value as a human being can never be touched. The respect for who you are never changes. Your self worth is not defined by these external things.
No expectations or shoulds - just help them to explore. Who you are and how you see things are your own choice. I don’t know what shape you should be. I’m exploring myself.
Explore disappointments as possibilities.
How am I at my best?
What’s stopping me being that all the time.
The super version of you - beautiful, flowing,connected version.
What am I holding on to that’s stopping me being that?
Explore v control
Create the internal environment for potential to blossom
Be alive: choose now. Choose unknown.
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By far one of the most moving podcast episodes I have ever listened to. Ever. I was totally captivated and fully engaged as I listened to Jonny's journey and profound insight. Although it touched on sport, competition and identity, this was truly about what it is to be human and explore our potential. Thanks to Jonny for passing on the message that true high performance must start with looking inward and exploring.
100% agree. Just watching him as he's talking - he is totally in tune with what he's saying. So much honesty. A great episode.
Thank you Stacy. Was a great podcast
Yes it was fascinating. In a way he is lucky because he has two lives which are almost completely separated.
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Jesus Christ, not even 5 minutes in and I'm already enamoured with Wilkinson. What a legend. 💪
I'm sure you have, but check out nicky cox on the utd academy
The Way Johny Wilkinson is expressing his journey and life learnings reminds me of bruce lee and asian philosophy, taoism and buddhism. Great Video/ content!
I believe he looked heavily into Buddhism during his career to calm his mind
Some man for one man.
Such a beautiful human being. How cruel a paradox that our world is filled with so many poor role models, while those with genuine insight and wisdom choose to live their lives away from the spotlight.
I can't put into words the profound depth of this conversation. I'm literally speechless at how Jonny articulates the shift into the exploration of the present moment - thank you so much all 3 of you for creating the space for such an elevated level of consciousness to arise. Incredible
Jonny is so in tune with himself. On another level of thought. We all know Jonny Wilkinson the elite player with a sniper of a left foot, but we just got a special glimpse into Jonny Wilkinson the humbled man. This was one of the best Pods I've listened to. Thanks gents!
Thanks Fuzz!
The number of times I've come back to listen to this conversation..
I'm 12 minutes in and need to go pick up the missus from work soon, contemplating phoning a cab so I don't have to stop listening to this, so compelling
😂
First 10 minutes, the man has just thrown out a mine of gold nuggets to those who have ears and eyes to hear and see. My own expeirence out of a dormant, non existent life and poor mental health almost runs parallel with what Johnny has found.
The pillars of a powerful, majestic and fulfilling life are laid deep in the soul built from gratefulness, grace to self and a love for the moment that breaks the shackles of internal conflict, unhappiness and anxiety over outcomes.
The love of life's road travelled is what he articulates in been full engagement, unwavering presence in the moment and a rebirth of selfs intuition, that brings true holistic enrichment on so many spheres.
This reminds me of the Eckhart Tolle ‘teachings’ - quite spiritual
One the most interesting podcast I have ever listened to. My brain hurt by the end of it.
3rd time I've listened/watched this episode - absolutely in awe of what Jonny talks about, each listen I continue to learn new things - I've written down 9 pages of notes and I'll revisit this podcast in about 3 months with what he sees as a "fresh and brand new perspective" where I'll pick up new things I couldn't see today.
Immense
Only 1.30hr pod cast I’ve been hooked from start to finish in a long time. Life lessons and a real eye opener. Thank you Jonny / team for sharing
I'm five minutes in and this is already the most fascinating podcast I've heard from a sportsman.
I always thought that Johnny was too stressed for much of his career. He had a real renaissance in France.
Wish I could have done 25% of what he did through my stresses. Always an inspiration!
There are Levels to understanding Jonny's words.
He's such a fascinating person to listen to.
The first two minutes and the bloke asking the questions realises his in the presence of greatness.
Johnny Wilkinson is a gem
I totally wasn't expecting that. He's taken a long hard look at himself and looks like he's finally comfortable in his own skin. What a brilliant podcast!
So deep and interesting to listen to.
Johny’s deep as the ocean! Theres a gem in this everytime i watch it
As a coach who finds joy in working with youth in football, this was such a profound message to not only coaches like myself, but anyone who is in service of others to be "all they can be." Great episode and continue to do the fantastic work you are doing!
Well done Wilko 👍 fantastic exploration. I’ve watched a lot of interviews, from sportsman to directors etc, never seen someone of such consciousness from those fields. I hope he continues to share his insights as I think it can help a lot of people.
Jonny of Toulon !!
This is actually phenomenal not what jake was expecting or maybe wanting but hes actually spot on.
What a podcast! Never knew Jonny boy was this smart. Great human being.
This is the first one I've watched from the podcast. I'm not sure any of the others will live up to it.
Really enjoyed that and in the words of Johnny I was fully engaged
This is a real privilege to listen to, outstanding.
He has gone through some highs and lows!
Just to be able to talk like that.
And without fiery what other people think!
I know from my own life.
Good on You
J.W. 🌊🏄♂️⬆️🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
The best podcast I’ve ever heard.
Yep - pretty powerful!
A fantastic podcast. Johnny clearly has a very spiritual mind and a much deeper understanding of the world than most. And the way he has been able to apply that way of thinking to be as successful as he has been is inspiring. Big up!
Wow, from a rugby master to a Zen master, spread the word Jonny, the way you are able articulate and communicate your thoughts is brilliant. The world needs this.
This conversation is more spiritual than the performance in itself. It's all about the mind process.
BRILLIANT...Great man...with a message of WISDOM ..Pain in life is a great AWAKENER....To go deeper.
This podcast just blew my mind.
‘If you stay in the now there is no consequence.’ - so true and beautiful
Fully engaged. All of me, in every moment’
J. Wilkinson. Legend💡 my take aways:
>Flourishing leads to Self Belief
>Engage fully in any moment
>Fluid, a state of openness and readiness to maximal potential of each opportunity.
>Curiosity and engagement = Inward reflection
> ‘reveal the space of opportunity in disappointment’
> what I’ve been through is a result of how I choose to be now.
Sits along side Seneca the younger and Marcus Aurelius meditations.
My favourite one so far - this was my second listen and I still feel like I need to listen to it again. So much to learn from him.
He's absolutely spot on. We all need to rid ourselves of the ego and accept that we are all in fact, equal, all with limitless but the same potential. Most people judge too easily, in both directions; either building others up or looking down on them. Live the moment. There's literally nothing else you can do.
My favourite rugby player of all time
Probably one of the most profound podcasts I've ever listened to and one to have on repeat. So many great lessons about "life" and not just High Performance.
Thank you Andrew
Loved this - the openness and honesty. Lots to take from this - thanks for your brilliant candour.
This guy is a genius and not just because of his mercurial rugby career. Everything he says really resonates with me and I can’t say that about many, if any, other athletes. What a great chap
Great podcast. Hats off to the interviewers who stayed 'fully engaged' and asked some great questions, despite their obvious unfamiliarity with the subject matter. JW will make more of a difference to more people in his new avatar than he ever would have imagined in his old one. Encouraging to read comments of which none are 'WTF was that?'.
Agree with you comment completely. It was very encouraging to see the reaction to this ep
I agree, well said.
This is my first ever CZcams comment, and I felt that I had to leave one because of how much I loved this conversation! So wonderful to listen to. Thanks for sharing it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Absolutely brilliant interview
I've seen and heard JW on many occasions this by far is the best of JW I've ever come across . Amazing what he achieved on the field but his legacy will probably have little to do with rugby but his ability to communicate on what performance is and how a person potential matches their expectations. I always remember on comment he made when he was playing in France. " To get the best out of himself he said it was important if not fundamental to get the best out of everyone around him" I still use and try to apply this principle all the time. Great listening to this conversation
The most insightful podcast I've ever watched/heard. Thanks Jonny.
I found this really interesting, I was really surprised at how deep he was. Good to hear he seems to be coping with or over his issues whatever they were and he's clearly a very intelligent bloke. Good luck to him!
psedointelligent, seems to regurgitating a very bad self help nook
Andy Chinn I think you struggling to spell Pseudo shows who’s struggling intelligence mate...
Listening to a success obsessed genius describe the inner battle we all face - such an in intelligent guy and thanks for so many entertaining afternoons - probably the best player we've ever had
Thank you, Jonny. Wow, absolutely perfect timing in my life. Salute.
So Honest and profound. Great stuff . Thanks for posting
One of the best ones recorded. Very thought-provoking.
Amazing. An enlightened individual.
great interview from an icon of rugby. what i took from this is that hindsight is a wonderful thing and not to forget to live in the here and now....thank you for the reminder.
This is amazing.
The set aside prayer to meditate on this message 'HELP ME SET ASIDE EVERYTHING I THINK I KNOW'. Thank you Jonny
So refreshing to hear a professional athlete speak in this way, thank you! I've just shared it around with many of my athlete and non athlete friends, sound life advice for everyone wanting to live, rather than exist 🙏🚴♀️
Great podcast from not just one of the all great rugby players but a humble and thoughtful man.
Absolutely fascinating. Loved it. For me, lots of parallels with Buddhist ideas about the self and others, letting go of conditioning and being fully engaged in the present.
Yes 👍
Best one yet!
Honest amazing interview about life and a person, best interview i have seen for a very long time, made me think about self. Finding self or try to find self. Thank you for a excellent service.
Wise words! I cant wait to listen again
Jonny makes so much sense and has clearly been through a fascinating journey of self discovery. We can all learn something from his experience.
Thank you for this awesome podcast. Didn't expect this from Jonny - one of the best and authentic conversations I have heard. Great job on the interview too guys.
thank you for this, i feel lucky to have watched, Jonny is probably the dream guest, its incredible to hear him speak at length and openly, a truly heroic figure who has reached an enlightened place, sharing incredible, peaceful insight.
and thank you also for this platform and content generally, i really enjoy hearing people talk about their careers and achievements (which i watched from afar in admiration), but also fascinating to hear them talk about the existential things they have learnt about themselves, the human psyche and life along their journey. your platform is open, gentle, and considered and people feel they can open up, and we're lucky we get to hear such valuable and hard won insight.
Them first 10 minutes is real, speak volumes I bet alot of people can relate, great pod
Very inspiring podcast. It seems all the podcast shows that I watch about 'successful', they are point to the same things: living in the moment, looking within, acceptance, letting go, and knowing what's in your control and what isn't.
Extremely interesting podcast from all 3 members here. Very well done.
Pressure replacing the passion is
something which really resonates and for it to be said in such a Frank way really is a breath of fresh air.
Please keep up the good work
Amazing chat my favourite thanks baz.
Johnny is like a warrior prophet. I’ve learned more from listening to this for 5 minutes than from 20 years of sports coaches
Went for a walk and left my old identity in the park. This is groundbreaking stuff. I'm familiar with the Advaita Vedanta 'experience' type spiritual concepts anyway but to hear it articulated in such a practical and profound way by JW is pretty incredible. Skyscraper of a podcast.
Extraordinary!
An amazing insight from Jonny Wilkinson. Coming it from a totally different angle with a deep understanding of how his mindset has changed over time and shaped who he was / has become. A great episode. Thank you sharing this.
thank you!
Wow, what an incredible podcast. Well done for embracing a conversation that might have challenged your normal format and viewers expectations. Great work.
Keep exploring and growing ... absolutely true..
What an interview! I work with sports people who walk this line of sporting life vs “real” life and it can be so destructive to well-being. I particularly look after sports people who struggle with their identity as they are in the closing stages of their professional career. It’s surprising how little support is available to these people.
That support needs to start much earlier, doesn't it? Once you made it to the pros with that mindset, it's not everyone who will have the kind of epiphany JW has had.
This is by far the best podcast I have listened to. Amazing insight into high performance!!
thank you Andrew
Loved it!! very insightful and great interview by the hosts!!
Really Amazing podcast.
Thanks for this Jonny. I usually hate all the sopy nonsense but this sounds really brave of you doing this, and its been really enlightening. Your a good man.
Great posdcasts...maybe a free standing mic for the guests so they dont have to hold them????
nah - they get to exercise ;-)
Love this podcast and rugby player. hard work pays off over a long period of time !!
Literally my hero but how in tune this man is. You can compile the challenges of life into this way of thinking, continues to be a hero even after the game. This man changes lives.
deep and insightful.I see him on an ongoing journey of self discovery to find his identity.He is genuinely interesting and in search of enlightenment.Personally I understand his inability to quantify happiness other than contentment though that is another journey
Most importantly keep doing this podcast! I need more more more!
Wow! Thank you. Awesome.
He's such a complex and interesting guy. Speaks so eloquently. He was a hero of mine as a child