FORD 351 CLEVELAND INTAKE MANIFOLD GASKET INSTALLATION TIPS AND TRICKS
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- čas přidán 4. 04. 2020
- G'day again everyone, I hope you are all staying safe and working on your old Fords! In this latest 'The Clevo King' video I show you guys how I install an intake manifold gasket on a 351 Ford Cleveland engine. I also explain why I do it this way, and throw in some Tips and Tricks as well. Please Enjoy!
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Thanks Clevo king! Just did my first intake on a 351c by watching this vid. I went exactly by your instructions, fired the car up today and everything is perfect, no leaks, no problems at all. Thanks again from Florida!
So what are you and the Clevo King doing with the front and rear intake manifold gaskets? Throwing them away? That’s a lot of Permatex on the front and back.
I have never done this job before. I followed this video exactly and it went flawlessly. Thanks again!
Hey I wanted to say thank you for you in-depth videos. I just picked up a 73 mustang for my first resto project and it has a 351c in her. Your videos have made me feel comfortable to do work on the motor.
I'm literally working on the same motor right now, you're videos really come in handy for the "little tips"
I bought a pro 351 in 03. I discover 8hours ago, an 18year long mystery oil leak front/rear coming from cork gaskets still with plastic packaging strips on the bottoms. These videos have inspired me to work on that particular engine again after many years of procrastinating it. Ill go the red silicone matching my engine colour. Cheers King Clevero.
Thanks for the video man I learned something keep them up appreciate it
Thanks for sharing Mr Clevo king !
Love Your work Clevo King.
Thanks mate! I appreciate the video, I’m about to install my performer air gap intake on my 351c! You just gained a new subscriber from Southern California, just a couple miles away from the edelbrock facility where they make all their intakes and heads
Your a bloody legend cheers for the vids
I will never use a cork gasket again. You have made a believer in the silicone. After you put the cork between the block and manifold and there was still clearance told my why I get the leaks. Bad engineering on felpro and Ford . Thanks a lot.
Thanks for the video. First time builder.
Good going man I learned something
Love your vids bro.
Great vid mate 👍🏽
The "they spent millions on R&D" line cracked me up! 🤣👍 Great information there bro
Your idea of small bolt hole with dowls is good.
Thanks for the vid . I will be replacing my manifold gasket as it is leaking at the rear.
Subscribed... 71' Torino 500 here in the States....
Beautyfull job...regal from Puerto rico...🇵🇷
Love the video, getting ready to do my 1970 XR7, what's the part number for the Edelbrock intake? I want to do this right!
Hey Clevo King!! 70 Mach 1 with a 351C here. Love your videos and are helping me a great deal to learn about the Cleveland. Re installing the Intake I'm wondering if it's ok to just cover up the heat riser port with the gasket ? I have electric choke on the carb so don't really need that extra hot air in the intake. Thanks !!
Another awesome video.
So much knowledge jammed into your vids.
Thanks for sharing.
If I go with the Edelbrock Performer intake on a clevo, what size carbie size spacer do I need to use if my xy has a shaker?
1” spacer usually get them spot on mate
Just bought a 64 1/2 mustang with a 351 Cleveland 👍
Good video
The legend webb 357
a mate and i tried getting a 302 running once. yeah - no chance lol haha nice work mate
Get yourself a tube grip dispensing plier tool. Especially if you apply a lot of sealants like RTV. Allows for easier application and keeps all the sealant to the front of the tube. Less work for you hands too.
i have a stock cast iron intake for a 4V-- the Edlebrock air gap performer, is made for a 2V and has much smaller ports than the cast iron manifold-- and does not match the heads at all-- i cant see how this manifold is superior- with way smaller ports- the installation guide for EB says dont port the manifold- it is supposed to be for 2 V and 4 V-- so im completely confused-- do i use the stock cast iron manifold or the much smaller ported EB? please help
Really great and informative, thank you so much. My stock 1973 two barrel 351c has a pan under the intake manifold. Is that pan required? What’s it for? Thanks!!!
The pan is to keep oil from splashing up on the bottom of the hot intake and burning.
Whether or not you need the pan depends on if you have exhaust running through your intake. On each head, the middle hole is the exhaust cross over. There's a channel on the intake these mate with. Its part of the system to help the choke work. If you notice, the gaskets he uses in this video block those crossover holes. No hot gasses running through to heat up the carb, so no reason to use the turkey pan.
Thank you
Is the large aluminum shielding plate not needed?
Can I just leave that out?
By the way I enjoyed the video and followed your method only in the engine bay unfortunately bloody f100 they are a pain to work on
Just found and subbed your channel,i am in the UK and have a US 66 fairlane with a 351 clevo with cam and high comp Boss pistons edlebrock intake on iron 4V heads and 800 DP holley are you planning any vids for us 4V owners?
I have a fair collection of 4v heads and intakes I will be working with some soon on the channel and doing a few vids
so edelbrock finally covered that heat riser that takes the two bolts in the middle on the rhs? mine I bought in the mid eighties it was open and I had to make a cover and gasket. when did they fix it?
Good day. Can you or someone please tell me more about what that is and what it does? I am 23, my father and i bought a 351c 2v Failane couple days ago and it has one of these intake manifolds. I am not too clued up on them and thus a bit confused with what all the ports and stuff does. Also, when standing in front of the car facing the engine, the intake has two ports on the left hand side. I saw in another video that the back one is for the brake booster. What is the one closest for? Thanx for responses
Cool video, enjoyed it. Quick question i have a leak at the rear of my cleveland & im guessing its from the manifold cos i already checked the oil sender. Once i put new gaskets on can i use the same manifold bolts or would i need new ones?
When I redid my Cleveland manifold in 2016 I reused the bolts hasn’t leaked since
Awesome video. Super helpful. Question: Do I need a valley pan or can I install without? I have a 351M (1975 Ford Ranchero).
Thank you for your time in making/ posting your video.
I only use a pan with a steel intake if it’s alloy I only use gaskets
@@thclevoking Answered my question exactly. Thank You
Turkey pan? Or do you recommend not to install? Thanks
Nice video... You mention long stroke 351... 2v heads... Are they closed chamber? If so how do you get around high compression issues?
CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR CHANNEL AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION YOU SHARE WITH US, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE ADMISSION JOINT, THE SAME ONE THAT OBSTRUCTS A CENTRAL DUCT OF THE HEADS, I DON'T KNOW THERE IS NO PROBLEM?
There should be no issue as long as the EGR port is blocked on the intake with the kidney bean shaped plate.
@@thclevoking Thank you very much for your attention...keep going...greetings from Ecuador.
Nice vid and commentary of replacing an intake manifold. Quick question- What about Mahle intake gaskets with the rubber seals- Are them any good- Would 'The Clevo King' recommend these parts- can't post a photo on here, Cheers- Garyth NZ
You can make any gaskets work mate I just prefer the ones I mention. Mahle does pretty good stuff. I actually don’t mind the rubber end seals but they do need a a bit of silicone to help too.
hi can you make a video how to install a valley pan gasket on a 351c thanks?
Good idea I’ll try mate
Hi Clevo king I’ve got a 351 clevo that’s been stroked to 378 cube I was looking at putting a 380 Holley secondary on it with a 1/2 inch bakerlite spacer as it’s got the edlebrock 2v manifold that you’ve got on this motor and 600 cfm Holley atm it struggles to stay idling and is hard to start again if left sitting once at operating temp. Anyway I was wondering if a 780 is good for a motor that’s a bit extra then factory spec cheers
780 is perfect mate that’s what they ran on some of the GT’s factory 👌
@@thclevoking sweet
Hi what do you think on a Holley sniper 600 on 351 2v Windsor cheers
They are awesome mate just need a wide lobe separation for them to be able to work to there optimum
Nice work and great instructions, getting ready to do the same thing on a 400. I know you mentioned the blocked off water ports not needed on a cleveland, I got a very small coolant leak on the front driver's side corner where the intake meets the head. I've heard mixed info on possibly a water port being there and just wanted to see if you knew anything about the 400. I know the intake is a dry intake with no coolant flow so I'm hoping it's not a head gasket issue that I have.
It will be a head gasket issue the intakes are dry like a clevo mate, could maybe be the thermostat housing
@@thclevoking will get me a set of head gaskets while I'm at it then. Yea the leak is coming right where the intake meets the head, coolant will dribble out the crack where they meet. Oil is clean and coolant is clean as well. Might leak a pea size drop while driving it around. Thanks again.
@@andrue17 the sealing edge on the gasket isn’t that big there compared to how big the water port is so it’s common sadly
@@thclevoking going to knockout Intake and head gaskets this weekend. What head gaskets do you recommend? I don't want to do the job twice with cheaper quality gaskets.
Thanks for the video. I recently lost my dad, and was left his joy. A 1970 Mustang Mach 1. He turned his 351 C 4V. He had the motored stroked to a 408. He has the cast iron edelbrock intake manifold on the engine now. He had a brand new edelbrock aluminum intake manifold in a box. My thoughts is he was planning on installing that manifold, not sure thought? Would you suggest changing them out and if so, would you follow the guidelines for installation that you created for this video? Thanks for your time.
Sorry to hear about your father, yes the Alloy would have been an upgrade and if you follow this video you should have no issues swapping them out. I have never seen a cast iron edelbrock I’d be keen to learn more about that intake and what it is. Thanks for the comment mate.
Thanks for the reply. I could be a 100% wrong on the make. If so I apologize. I will take a look at it when I get home tonight. I wished I spent more time with my dad learning about 351C. I am glad there is a network out there for support, and MANY videos I need to watch so I can learn. Thanks again.
I'm in the states, and I built a custom Cleveland using a 4bolt main 4barrel block and 2vopen chamber heads. I found that the 4barrel block had a different deck hieght.
We did pretty much exactly what you just did (except for a few top tips)
However the space between the manifold/top of deck has a pretty big space to be honest and it has started leaking. I guess I should mention I'm running the 2v intake(hogged out abit) with a 500cfm.
Should i try redoing and follow your tips or should I take intake in for a bit of a shave on the mating surface to get them closer first? Any tips for my dilemma?
The 351 Cleveland blocks are all the same deck height. Windsor has two heights available, and the 400m or 400 is taller but not available either 4 bolt mains as far as I know.
Best bet would be to measure the angles are in spec first, and take a bit of the two intake faces to thin it out if it’s too wide but port alignment gets affected too so be careful.
@@thclevoking I think I will try your tricks and see if it holds, I don't want an offset for sure... thanks a heep
hi on the subject of intakes whats good for a 393 stroker with a f260 crane cam
Hi mate, just watch your video for 351 cleveland intake gasket I've got cast manifold with the tin valley gasket as well as the paper ones can I not use the tin gasket and just use the paper ones? Thanks
Use the steel valley pan with only steel intakes not alloy 👌
Thanks, I'm trying to get used alloy heads and an edlebrock manifold, because of the weight, but clevelands are a bit rare here in the UK, there's more Windsors, I've just put it back together with the tin plate, it's a bit of a pain by myself, that manifold weighs as much as a cylinder head! Thanks again
No RTV on the bolts needed mate?
Great content. Love the safety glasses whilst wearing thongs/jandals. What a boss. Keep the vids coming mate
whats the rare one , a Nascar pillow block?
Great video Clevo King. Do you have any advice for Cleveland thermostats? Cheers mate.
The dayco dt66a is the best one for cars in hot climates otherwise the hi Flow trident ones work fine.
@@thclevoking thanks, I’ve got bigger problems now. I have coolant coming out the passenger side exhaust (small amount of steam coming from the breather too), no coolant in the oil. I’m worried it’s a cracked head or block (30 thou block). What is a reasonable budget for a 400hp replacement? Thanks again.
@@MikeJones-bj1cn if you can do some of the assembly yourself and have a lot of the good parts already it can be done as cheap as $5k if you only have a pretty basic clevo and need a lot of the aftermarket gear it adds up quick and could run around 10k pretty easily. That’s here in Aus and just rough figures.
Thx mate. Enjoyable watching your videos. Why don't you like to use the bath tubs? I thought Ford would have put a lot of R&D behind their functional use. I know it's probably just personal taste, but I think the Chev orange silicone looks ugly against the Ford blue paint. I'll use blue silicone. I'm looking forward to your next videos. Lots of useful tips for a novice like me. Thanks again for enduring the heat.
rhett351 the turkey pan, or intake valley pan steel gasket is only meant to be used with cast iron intake manifolds. Alloy doesn’t have enough weight to pinch it and seal it up properly. If this was an iron intake I’d use the pan to keep oil off the bottom of the intake like they were intended. If you look at the bottom of an alloy intake you will see they designed them like the pan anyway to help oil splash and to keep the intake runners cool. Hope that helps, thanks for taking the time to reply!
thanks buddy
@@thclevoking thats handy to know
@@thclevoking I'm doing this same swap on a 78 351M today, and I was gonna use the valley pan, I didn't know aluminum intakes weren't heavy enough to seal them, guess I'm going back to Napa today.
I thought these had intake pans inside them? As heat shield for carb? I didn't know you could run the engine without it.
I explain why I don’t run with an alloy intake in the video.
The 4v gasket set comes with the tray. Should I use it or get the kit without the tray?
You can use the gaskets without the tray and make silicone end beads no worries
My intake manifold has a hole on the right front lip, where it seals at the front, and I'm not sure how it's meant to be sealed.
Whoever last worked on it filled it with silicon.
Any suggestions?
Silicone would be easiest, but you could get it welded up for best results mate
@@thclevoking Thanks Clevo King
Any need to run a valley pan? I'm installing a factory 4 barrel intake
I mention at one point they are only to be used with the factory steel intakes, then they work fine.
@@thclevoking Edelbrock says to use the valley pan in their installation instructions for this manifold. I'm in the middle of an engine build right now and was questioning myself. As your video instructs, they tell you NOT to use the cork ends. Just use a 1/4 inch bead of RTV.
Edelbrock instructions. GASKETS: Do not use competition-style intake gaskets for this street manifold. Due to material deterioration over time, internal leakage of vacuum, oil, and coolant may occur.
Recommended Gaskets. Fel-Pro #MS96020 or OEM valley tray
What no Valley pan gasket? To keep the hot oil off the bottom of the intake.
Two types of gaskets, the valley pan gasket or in this case the fel pro higher end style.. no need for a valley pan. Reguardless the intake is a dry intake on these here so it’s automatically cooler. I’ve ran both with a 400 really no different temperature on the intake
Are you going to run a carby spacer? Thanks
Always run 1/2” phenolic where I can 👌
@@thclevoking what about valley pan ? I didn’t put one in my f100 but I see some guys use them , I heard they leak ? Thanks bro
@@georgeherceg1419 I only use them with a factory steel intake never with alloy 👌
@@thclevoking ok thanks bud yeh I put a edelbrock perfomer on with no valley pan
Thanks heaps I followed your video exactly and it worked out perfect thanks heaps
First time I did a manifold and water pump plus thermostat and rocker cover gaskets
Big enough job in the f100
What thermostat do you run
The best is the dayco dt66a
Why don't you use steel gasket tray?
I noticed no valley pan . Is it not necessary?
Only use the Valley pan with a stock steel intake mate they don’t suit the alloy ones.
@@thclevoking thanks for the info . Much appreciated 🙏. What would u say is max for plainning the heads ? Or is it worth the effort ? 72 351 4v
You tighten your manifold to 33 nm ..... but the instructions say only tighten from 24 -27 nm. Any reason you go slightly higher? Cheere
33ft lbs
Are those gaskets 2 v or 4 v??
2v mate
@@thclevoking thanks I watched the whole vidio
Surely that silicone comes in clear
They make grey, black, blue, red, and white but they all have slightly different chemical properties and I find the red works then best for me.
Steel cap thongs
That's a weird head it had no coolant ports
Clevelands don’t have water in the intake like a windsor does
@@thclevoking ahhhh I see thank you I didn't know that!