‘Apple Could Never Make Anything as Shitty as the Things I Make:’ Artist Tom Sachs
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- Do you want to build a rocket ship but don't have the deep pockets of Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and Richard Branson?
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You might want to turn to the Rocket Factory, "a trans-dimensional manufacturing plant" created by artist Tom Sachs, in which you can build and own a personalized rocket in both the physical and virtual world. The project is one of the most inventive uses of NFTs, a groundbreaking technology that makes digital items one-of-a-kind by giving them a unique code that can't be duplicated or forged. It stands at the intersection of cryptocurrency, the metaverse, and persistent human longing for the new frontier. You create a unique rocket online that gets minted as an NFT, he builds a meatspace replica and launches it, and you decide what happens next to the art.
Sachs' ongoing project makes use of the new form of digital commons called the blockchain, which is the shared public database that make it possible to prove that you and you alone own an NFT; of the metaverse, or the 3D virtual world where some believe a great deal of human interaction will soon be migrating; and of our persistent longing for a new frontier, all of which are characteristics of what is often referred to as web3-the next phase in the evolution of the internet.
Sachs is an internationally recognized artist and sculptor best known for making painstakingly realistic reproductions of familiar objects that exist in the real world. One of his most acclaimed projects, for instance, included creating a scale replica of Le Corbusier's modernist housing project The Radiant City out of foamcore. Other memorable pieces include creating a full-scale model of the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki and, in a nod to Andy Warhol, a series of shipping boxes for household items such as Kellogg's corn flakes, Brillo pads, and Heinz ketchup. Long obsessed with space flight, he has created three different "Space Program" installations, each of which represents what it means to fly to the moon, Mars, and beyond.
Reason's Nick Gillespie spoke with Sachs in his studio in Manhattan's Soho neighborhood to talk about the role of psychedelics in his creative process, how the internet has radically flattened and improved the relationship between artist and audience, and why his meticulously handcrafted NFT rockets can be just as exciting, innovative, and inspiring as the ones made by Bezos, Musk, and Branson.
This has got to be one of the most idiotic business ventures I've ever seen. I bet it will make millions of dollars
I'll take your entire (non-fungible) stock!
Thus it's not idiotic.
I had an idea like this once, it was a "jump ... to conclusions ... mat". It would be a mat that you put on the floor with different "conclusions" you could "jump" to
@@MarkStoddard just be careful backing out of the garage m-kay
"NFTs"
Immediately stops watching
THANK YOU
NFTs have some limited utility and will probably have more in the future but this guy ain’t it.
NFTs could revolutionize many sectors of our economy, for example private property. You could prove your house belongs to you, without the need for any government being involved. And with no one knowing it's yours, unless you prove it with your private key.
That being said, 99% of the applications of NFTs today are useless, including this one.
...or I can buy an Estes kit, build a way bigger rocket for a fraction of the cost and put decals on it for whatever brand I want. ...oh, and I'll have the sense of accomplishment knowing I built the rocket.
I remember in the 70s when a guy in Los Gatos packaged an ordinary rock in a pet carrier looking box labelled "pet rock". He got rich. Of course everyone knew it was a gag.
Gag? My pet rock is the best behaved pet I have ever had. Told it to sit almost fifty years ago and it is still sitting.
@@Foolish188 🤣
Conservatives need to rise up and demand Biden and his goons to be ousted! The election was obviously stolen! This is not the way God intended it! MAGA 2024! At this point, violence is a necessity!
@@RoyGBiv-lc8tv( love that name btw) - there is an old adage I would have applied here...but hallmark cards are out of style and outdated. Are you ready to mow down your neighbors over clear voting fraud and malfeasance? Or are you new to how long this has been going on? ...or are you a simple paid troll looking for a reaction?
Says he doesn't make art for collectors, and then the program immediately goes into his NFT COLLECTION, to be COLLECTED by....... COLLECTORS.
By the way, he has made installations for -- you guessed it -- MUSEUMS which he also claims not to do.
NFT's more like No F***ing Thanks
Can we just get some more Remy, please?
I saw his space exposition at Site Santa Fe i 2017. Whimsical, Detailed, Serious. Incredible. Love his work.
I made one of those in 8th grade. Painted it too. Didn't do anything as moronic as an NFT tho.
It's all about execution
The opportunity to separate fools from their money will never end.
"Immediately change the channel and do something else." Okay.
5:42 *holds up 4 fingers
*realises
*hmm, I better go whole hand with this before they ask me if I'm on something
Dude this guy is just selling model rockets and selling them. Convince me i’m wrong
But you can also own his Microsoft paint sketch of the rocket.
I still don't get the purpose of NFTs. Never have I had a piece of art on my wall and thought I need a collectable digital version of this.
A better explanation of NFT that will make sense in the near future is “executable digital contracts”. Real estate will be sold by NFT soon.
What Paul said, but I want to add: Any private property sooner or later.
They could either work like bearer bonds, where anyone who holds the key is the owner. Or they could be tied to some identity system (something that proves who you are), that could in principle be decentralized and private
@@Paul_Marek And so would the real estate NFT cost the value of the property?
@@Interopader it’s no different than a regular real estate transaction except now instead of a paper sales contract and deed, it’s digital on the blockchain. All of the terms of the deal and any subsequent transactions are coded right into the NFT (digital contract), which gets executed automatically. Think of it as a list of “if this happens then do that” statements built right in. Pretty much everything will be sold as an NFT in future because of the simplistic executability and security. It’s too bad the digital art space has sorta bastardized the understanding of the potential and need for moving things toward NFTs. We should drop that name and instead call them EDCs (executable digital contracts).
@@Interopader to answer your question another way, is it the paper deed that holds the value of real estate, or the property itself? ;)
Lol that’s a deep one!
I've never seen anyone so excited to be interviewed by Reason
Would be great to chat if you’re interested. My company is going to be offering extremely valuable digital real estate as NFTs soon and I’d like to know what you think of it.
@@Paul_Marek "I have a bridge in Brooklyn NFT that I can sell you."
@@nickjones3430 lol.
@@Paul_Marek 101 ways to take advantage of stupid people. Disgusting
Stop promoting NFT scams.
Ah, the great NFT ponzi scheme.
Web3 is a bubble.
PT Barnum allegedly said "There is a sucker born every minute." This guy is obviously after every one of them. Perhaps the worst video ever on Reason!
Seconded.
NFTs aren't market driven and are propped up by the Fed. Reason isn't very Libertarian.
@@tuckerbugeater NFTs are propped up by the fed directly? Because technically everything is held up by the fed indirectly right now...Care to elaborate?
I think the people gung-ho about NFTs just get a thrill when someone else buys into their BS.
It is like a pyramid scheme but instead of being built on a really weak product, it is based on nothing.
@@crissd8283 It's based on the Federal Reserves monetary policy. The market doesn't want this or cryptocurrency.
@@tuckerbugeater Are you saying that people don't trust the fed so much that they have more trust in NFTs and crypto? They are picking between two bad options and the fed is worse than NFTs?
If that is what you are saying then I kinda agree with you.
Really? Nfts? Bruh, you're a scammer
My cousin lived on a farm and we would order Estes rocket parts from the comic book back page and fire them in a field.
This has got to be one of the most weird interviews Reason has ever done. Part of the video I was trying to decide if this guy was a genius or a lunatic. By the time he starts discussing motherships, and computers working inside his butt or whatever, its cleared the latter.
The best geniuses are often lunatics.
@@jacobawojtowicz But the majority of lunatics are not actually geniuses.
Why choose, call it an artist
hes both, but mainly a lunatic
Remember, back in the day, when you'd save your allowance, buy and assemble your own rocket kit, and then launch it yourself?
it's Tom sachs, it would be an amazing to have something he built personally
Now we know where Casey got the phrase "Ideas are cheap, execution is everything"
Finish this sentence:
"A fool and his money are soon _____"
While I believe people should be able to spend their money on whatever they want. Even if it is a worthless NFT, it is your time and your money so do what you want.
I personally wouldn't spend a cent to do this. I would much rather build a real rocket with my son but to each his own. It isn't my place to decide where you spend your money, this is a strange reasonTV episode.
NFT is even worse than worthless, they have no worth at all, you buy those things but you would never own anything at all, just a waste of money for something that's imaginative unrealistic that couldn't be utilized more than fine art that at least still could be functioned as unique decoration in a space, as valueless as crypto-currency at the end of the day when it stopped being used as black market currency, instead used as if they're reliable investment by the normies.
Just another way for a fool to be parted with his money.
I can't afford to go to the circus, so I watch ReasonTV.
Looks like an expensive form of entertainment to me. It doesn't look scummy as it doesn't seem to be the "investment" NFTs. Still, it doesn't appeal to me.
I honestly think I misunderstood something toward the end. Where is this guy coming up with peanut butter in Mars rocks?
This was a lot more true when he started saying it in 2005
"makes digital items one of a kind" I am not an expert, but I am fairly certain that anything digital can be easily copied if you have access to the data. For example DVD had some mechanism for write protection, but it was quickly bypassed. Games have all sorts of ways to prevent piracy, and yet cracks exist for every game.
The only thing NFT does is say "I legally own this particular set of 1s and 0s" which is based on dubious assumptions and unenforceable. The only enforceable part is the exchange/sale of those digital items in established markets that may check NFT ownership before allowing a sale.
The tech behind making an NFT unique and unable to be copied is blockchain and cryptography. I’d love into those before assuming.
Brilliant. Tom is the bomb!
What am I missing?
Thanks for posting this interview. It was interesting!
thank you - no. from pushing BTC global con to nft - even more conjobby BS, but brand new. Worth watching first will be: "Line Goes Up - The Problem With NFTs"
The technology behind NFTs are not inherently bad. It has a lot of uses. For example, an artist could assign an official NFT to their physical artwork before it's sold, which would allow future potential owners and sellers to easily prove provenance. And this would be a powerful, private sector tool to protect consumers. Comic books, coins, and other collectables that have been graded and authenticated could also use this technology.
Dont tell marvel about this
I make digital art. I don't want lizard "money" for it.
Are NFTs just an informal copyright system that doesn't really work. I never really liked copyright in the first place? ROFL MDR LOL. I love tokenized stocks & asset-backed tokens, but I don't think NFTs are useful yet. This is an interesting way to use NFTs though.
Imagine decentralized proofs that something belongs to you, a land deed for example. Private property without any government involvement.
Any products like sneakers could easily be checked for authenticity in a decentralized market place without the need for any 3rd part to check(that would add cost).
There are lots of very good uses for NFTs, but this ain't one of them.
@@Embassy_of_Jupiter Yeah, it just appears to be some dude's nerd project. IDK why ReasonTV is covering it besides maybe their penchant for NFTS: IDK I think they'd made their own NFTs of their staff before.??
@@moribundmurdoch If I had to bet, I'd say someone that makes editorial decisions just thought that this is neat
NFT's are things sold by people who don't own them. Personally I never recommend getting an NFT.
I completely agree with Mr. Edward T.C. Blake and Mr. Dapper Dan ... having unfortunately met and having had to work for Mr. Poisonous Dwarf.
To the "hypocrisy and arrogance" comments of D.Dan, I would add "obnoxious, obsessively narcissistic, condescending, and massively idiotic".
And as Mr. Blake comments ... I agree.
The only half-way intelligent words I ever heard come out of Shorty's mouth were; "Immediately change the channel and do something else."
great interview
Something tells me the "Return CZcams Dislike" add-on will be useful on this video.
On the basis of how NFTs work, I do not see how they are any different to a normal database except instead of the database being entirely hidden, it is out and in the public. I see NFTs only really being useful in applications where the data is stored on the NFT and not just as a link to some data that someone else actually hosts and secondly, that there is actually a need to have this data be completely transparent.
NFTs are like getting a star named after you. You don’t own the star. Nor do you really own the right to say it is exclusively yours. What you’ve bought is your name next to an entry in the star registry’s database. NFTs are that but the database is visible to everyone.
@@EricGranata This is fantastically incorrect
@@joshwent teach me.
@@EricGranata from what I understand people use them (in theory at least) as digital contracts or proof of ownership just like a deed to a house. That doesn't mean that buying bad art of monkeys isn't dumb.
@@nickwilson3499 what’s the point, though? What benefit is there for a deed to be recorded on the blockchain?
The dude is interested in making money, he’s from the same cloth as Koons. That’s cool but to deny it from the outset kind of sucks.
I thought this dude was borderline cringe when he was talking about NFTs. By the end of the video it is clear he went full cringe and either has no self-awareness or he's so high on his own supply he just doesn't care. Neither are good lol. He contributes nothing.
Can we use NFT technology to verify votes in elections?
Whether NFT or other blockchain/crypto schema, it would be incredible. The goal being, an individual can verify their vote was cast and counted as intended, officials can verify they voted, but more extreme steps need to be taken for officials to verify who or what you voted for, example: multiple keyholders to reduce shenanigans. Election officials would be able to see aggregate data. I'm very much a novice on the outside looking at this, but worth more inspection.
50/50 because only two people have bought lol
"multidimensional"
I don't think it means what you think it means
The neistat brothers’ sensei
1 + 1 = 1,000,000? Dude is wack. Not surprising that he's on drugs.
What the heck did I just watch
Lots of hate in the comments....i was all about "you do you" for this guy until he said ketamine was a safer version of acid.
High everyone!
This is the least Tom Sachs Tom Sachs project ever...
this guys is not an artist ,he is a scamer
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I hope he sells a lot of rockets! :)
explain why this guy is NOT eminently narcissistic
I don't understand this whatsoever
I got two minutes in before laughing at the seriousness given to NFTs in general and artists using NFTs to hype their garbage.
What do you call a few “rules for life” mixed with philosophy and a grift?
I hear NFT i close the tab
Stopped listening at 8:35. I miss anything?
Can he build me a McNuke NFT?
You had me at Tom Sachs. Love it!
The West is toast
It’s bollocks, of course. NFT was never going to amount to anything and it’s dead before it ever became anything meaningful. Utter bollocks.
The future is stupid
This is not REASON able.
I guess Tom couldn't help himself from getting wrapped up with idiotic NFT projects.
Buddy, your neurons are freaking out and you're imagining a transcendental experience. There's nothing trascendental about it. 😂
3 dimensions and all 3 are boring AF.
Money laundering is an art.
You don't know what money laundering is.
www.
artandobject.
com
/news/how-money-laundering-works-art-world
What?
DUH?
NFT's are just as stupid as crypto currency.
This guy actually has some interesting views and ideas.
His work has been pretty cool in the past, but this is just stupid.
absurd
Awesome vid. Love that these two great minds met. For those claiming you can just go build your own...way to state the obvious. Take the time to look more into Tom's work; you'll find out very quickly there is literally nothing more "Tom Sachs" than going out and "making one yourself." That's precisely what his Art is all about.
a fool and his money..........
thanks for reminding me how much I hate wanky avant-garde artist crap. 👍🏻
I really enjoyed this interview
The guy seems to be very aware of himself and articulate in his philosophy
He kmows how to sell a polished turd.
This guy is right about intillectual property.
I would like to see LESS of this content.
A.B.K.
Why are y'all calling this a scam? The project is very clear in their intentions and it is a voluntary exchange.
I think a lot people can't get past the Monkey JPEG idea of NFTs when it can be so much bigger than that. Verifying ownership of JPEGs are just the easiest implementation of their use, so of course they were implemented first.
Tom Sachs is creatively expanding upon the space and I think it's cool. I'm not willing to spend the money on it, but it seems enough people are. They want to be a part of the Sachs' project, so let them.
A lot of people are scammed in a "voluntary exchange". It sure looks like a bs scam to me, I guess time will tell. Would you consider pet rocks to be a scam? People voluntarily bought them...
@@user-nh3gu1ge3d people knew pet rock was a gag and never paid millions for one...This is a scam for the naive...so be it.
N 🤢 F 🤢 T 🤮
Interesting guy but the catch phrase part just had me rolling my eyes. “Dont be creative!”. Ok dude.
Love copyright law? Well what if we could apply copyrights to literally anything you could see with your eye.
What a rip-off. Just order an Estes model rocket and build and launch it yourself...for about a $100.
No offense, but the only guy I know who can make shittier products than apple is Tom....
Green!
Tom Green!
And let's be real, I don't even know the guy who's the subject of this video, so he better produce some really grade A quality good shit...
If that makes any sense.....
😂😂😂😆🤣
@@afdkj ...... And this guy is making a claim like he's more shittier than apple?! 😆
He seems like a legitimately decent guy.
I'm a little disappointed, but in a weird way. I thought someone like him was going to outdo apple, you know, the company that even though they help poor people in China have jobs to begin with, the poor people are also overworked and have suicide nets at those factories just in case.
It could of made Tom green look like some profound artist, which in a way he achieved what most people wouldn't have thought possible, but l don't necessarily know if he was even trying to be profound.
Actually on second thought, I'd rather he didn't become shittier than apple. If he's doing a good enough job at spreading ideas of liberty, he's alright in my book ☺️
A tad too moronic for my taste.
Gillespie's English major background is showing. Reason is getting infected with post modernism/critical theory to the degree that it is starting to resemble Wired.
Cringe
12:40 - Now we're talking, baby!! I've certainly wandered about my fair share of k-hole collectives. The rest of the interview... Meh
Amazing
Lol nft. Gtfoh