SVS PB2000 PRO REW COMPRESSION TEST PERFORMANCE - Can It Hit Claimed 16HZ? How Loud? I Spec Of Tech
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- In this video I measure the performance of the SVS PB2000 Pro in my room with REW. The gain on the subwoofer was at -10db, which was about 83db in my room at MLP for level.
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How does pb 2000 pro compares with monolith 12''?
instead of having that plastic grill on the front of the Pb 2000 pro can you buy the metal grill and put it on
What are the dimensions of your room? I'm running dual pb2000 pros in a 13x21x8' fully sealed room. I haven't had a chance to run REW yet due to trying to get the room finished.
My room is 17' x 21' x 8'. It is a family room. The home theater only takes up 17' x 13' x 8' of the family room, but I have a 4 level split home and the theater/family room is open to the rest of the house.
@@SpecOfTech thanks, I'll definitely take some measurements when I can get the family out of the house!
Please try measure also REL S/812 if you have a chance! Great video by the way! 👍
Thanks, if I ever get the opportunity I will definitely check out the REL.
So you gain more mid-range bass after running Audyssey. So instead of buying the more expensive PB-3000 subwoofer, I can get that mid-bass slam I want and get a better low-end extension than the PB-3000. Win! Win!
Man I don't know what to do! I own a PB-1000 and love it, but I was wanting to add more thump as I listen to Rap music the most along with movies of course. Would it be better to add a 2nd PB-1000 or a single PB-2000 pro, or how should I go about it?
Would you be able to add a second PB2000 in the future? If you can I would go with 1 PB2000 now and then add a second down the road. Are you in the U.S? If you are check out the offerings from HSU research as well.
@@SpecOfTech Thanks for the reply. I do live in the states, so I'll check out what you recommended. If I were to get the PB-2000 Pro it would be a long while before I could get another to be honest. I just was wondering if one of those was better than 2 PB-1000s, but yeah I will have to see about the HSU brand you recommended. Thanks again.
@@juandoe7802 Well it would depend on your definition of better, the PB2000 would out perform in regards to output and low end extension, but with 2 PB1000 you would have a smoother response around the room. I always recommend going with dual subs, but I also recommend getting the best performing sub you can with your budget. I hope that helps my friend...cheers!
Thanks vor reviewing the pb 2000 pro. It's hard to finde reviews/opinions on youtube.
On the svs website they tell you two different frequency rages for the pb 2000 pro. One is standard: 16-290hz and the other one is sealed: 17-290hz. Does that mean, that you can switch modes like with the pb 16 ultra? Or do you just plug the ports of the pb 2000 pro without changing the settings in the svs app/subwoofer?
However, I'm a bit confused, because in every unboxing video I watched, there were no plugs included.
So, where can I buy the plugs?
Would be nice if you could answer my questions in the review. However, thanks for beeing one of the very few people who review the pb 2000 pro 😘🤗😊
edit: I subscribed immediately, keep up with the nice videos 😊👍
Hey thanks for the support man. Yes this subwoofer can be used in ported (standard) and sealed mode. I have been told that those who request the port plugs would get them sent for free. The SVS website does list the port plugs for sale as well.
hey my friend the pb2000 pros if you get them from svs direct they will add the plugs I got dual pb2000 pros 4weeks ago ,but if you order from someone else I would ask first before I made a purchase! I heard if some places if they dont sendthe plugs with the subs contact them and will send free of charge, why dont they just send the plugs from the beginning lol dont make sense but svs automatically send you plugs
Thanks the both of you for the quick answer 😊
@@happyfisch1033 your very welcome, you need any more info let me know I'm watching Netflix with these now ,cant do much but watch tv at with this coronavirus crap!
Please do the pb2000 pro vs pb 3000 or two pb2000 pros vs one pb3000 PLEASE AND THANK YOU !!!!🤓
I will do my best lol
Hi sir . PB 2000 pro nd SB 2000 pro both or which is the best choice. nd best bass out out tel me sir please.
Go with the PB2000 Pro if you use it a lot for home theater. If just for music I would say go with the SB2000 pro.
@@SpecOfTech Curious about your reasoning?
@@robertkrawitz8237 I assume you mean my reasoning behind using SB for music and PB for theater? The PB will haave stronger output down to about 16hz. The SB will start rolling off sooner and have less output in the lower frequencies. Lower frequencies are not used as much in music as they are in movies. For the most part, generally speaking, most people prefer sealed for music. Even though there is a lot more to it than that, and I don't necessarily think it is the answer for everyone, it is the general answer for his question. I hope that helps.
How large is you room?
those numbers seem really low i have Dual Outlaw X12's in a 4000 cu.ft. measured(rew/miniDSP mic) at 2m distance I get 110-115db+ @ 20-80hz and 103db @15hz. (all before compression)
The outlaw's are placed in opposite corners so i'm only getting 3db boost.
They should also be down 1-3db from the PB2000 pro.
I was honestly expecting more from the PB2000 pro's.
Ah well, looks like i'll have to keep saving up for dual PSA TV2112 :D
Oh quick question (fellow Canadian here) did the border try to hit you with duties?
I understand the sales tax but PSA should be duties free (made in USA) correct?
My room is quite large. The room itself is 17x21x8, but I have an open concept 4 level split home and that level is open to 2 other levels. So I basically have to pressurize my house lol. Those are some great numbers from those Outlaws, nice work.
@@SpecOfTech its good but I'm aiming for 100db+ @ 8-10hz... Thats where PSA comes in
@@marcgallant5270 PSA makes some amazing subwoofers for the price. I used to have dual TV3612's.
@@SpecOfTech yeah i saw you're running new subs, Funk Audio side brand or sister company? I don't know if they make anything under $3k CDN that could rival the PSA's. Once you get up in price I know they're one of the top brands alongside JTR/Seaton etc
@@marcgallant5270 Yeah I am running the Funk Audio king, the LFE24 Ultra and the Harbottle Audio C24 L2. Harbottle is associated with Funk Audio, they use the same amps and drivers, but have slightly different philosophies on enclosures.
When doing the max output testing, do you set the gain on the sub to 0db?
I had the gain set at -10db. When doing compression testing you will hit compression at the same time on the graph. If I turned the gain up, I wouldn't be able to turn the volume up on the AVR as much before hitting compression, but the graph would still compress at the same DB. Does that makes sense?
i bet in a small room that 16hz may be much louder and perhaps you may be able to get down to 14hz
Yeah for sure, every room will be different.
@@SpecOfTech that will be awesome ..I think i may look to get one for my small 12x12x7 room ..i think its 7feet vertical tho...it was a small bedroom but i get to use it for my home theater room hahaa and its perfect..already with a little woofer such as a logitech z906 i get farily flat response like not much fluctuation and thats all with NO EQ just natural response but with the PB2000 pro it has an eq in the amp which i can use to perhaps make the bass play even more flat if needed...and of course i gotta boost them lows and sub sonics lol
@@infrasonicrebasses4763 haha, this PB2000 Pro would offer you a surprising amount of bass compared to that logitech sub. You would definitely be happy with just one PB2000 Pro in that room. Just play with the placement so that the response is ideal at the MLP and enjoy.
@@SpecOfTech thanks for that man..i will definitely look forward to saving up and getting that PB2000 pro ...me likes that dual ported design ..hopefully it doesn't chuffs much
@@SpecOfTech hey btw the PB2000 Pro would work fine with just RCA to 3.5mm right ?
You chickened out hehe. That was just port compression. Look at some audioholics tests to see how far you can go. Those subs can do way more!
Has to be said these in room tests are not ground plane, but still great to see. Only watched 25% so may edit this. Nice scoop meauring this as you are the first! i'll add that the pro is much more extended below 20 Hz then the two generation back PB12-NSD. Rooms can vary a lot, but for 100db level the NSD is only 50 db at 10 Hz which is much lower than your result.
Thanks for watching :)! Lol, I wouldn't say I chickened out, the more you turn it up from that point, the more it compresses, there really isn't much point to go louder. Are you talking about the CEA2010 numbers that Audioholics has posted for the PB2000? CEA2010 numbers are different than in room compression testing.
@@SpecOfTech last thing I want to do is goad you into damaging those subs, but you have to see it give way at some frequency when you hit compression. So if you turn up another 3 db and at 30 Hz it only goes up 2 db then you've hit compression.
That being said maybe you should wait until another candidate from SVS or Monolith with idiot proof power limiters in there for testing. Then you can really push them as audioholics does. I mean they run the PB16 Ultra out in a field at like 120 db level and watched it only cough up 111 db at 20 Hz lol. I've not even tried that.
You've already proven that those amazing subs are doing over 110 db at 10 Hz and that is stunning. I'm just saying their guys with ear plugs in hitting over 140 db; I don't see the point of it, but I guess it says that such a system has dynamic bass in spades.
I like to listen at reference and I'm not sure my ears long run would withstand 10 Hz bass as they've been sensitive enough with 15 Hz bass with PB4000. I'm just now getting flat numbers like you with tuning my two SVS (Oh and stock Umik-1 has a lot of error in the low bass often enough and the best remedy for this is cross spectrum labs calibrated unit which gives you $1000 mic performance). Before I had over blown bass at 15 Hz and its kind of like a loudness effect of sorts that gives a heightened sense of space even. I don't really recommend it and my ears were giving me warning signals.
For anyone interested in BEQ and the Boss platform and other tactiles here are a couple short videos of the tactiles gone wild:
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czcams.com/video/mnm6NiEGDzo/video.html
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@@meles3740 Lol, no worries there my friend, I wouldn't let someone pressure me into doing something I wouldn't want to do. Although, I am not sure why you are explaining what compression is to someone who just completed a compression testing video? There is more compression all along the red line if you look, there is not a uniform increase in volume, the lower frequencies is just more obvious. In addition to that, this was a review unit and was not mine to damage or to do with as I pleased. Those tactile video you linked are pretty intense. Looks like a lot of fun!
@@SpecOfTech yeah I'm in the throes of subwoofer Nervosa and tactiles incoming. On the PB2000 Pro that is port compression, so let me link PB16 Ultra compression test screen shot so you can see how far past they went this point:
www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/svs-pb16-ultra-subwoofer/PB16standardLTSc.jpg/image
So yeah that last 5 db increment I'd be inching up a db at a time, but you can see where sub has more output. I guess in room that maybe we need to be a bit more sensitive. I just don't want you underselling SVS which is a fine company by understating their output. I'll also state the rolloff so steap on PB12-NSD that you can't really see the compressiond much below 22 Hz. Its all very interesting.
Not all subs are idiot proof so the initial caution is understandable, but let the next SVS rip. I can tell you for BEQ I do hit a limiter light or two. With unprotected subs this would be incredibly dangerous and I've smokes quite a few woofers and even a crossover in my time, so idiot proof is a stong feature in my mind. Five year warranty, I just pummel my PB12 Nasties hehe, so limiter light no problem but really audible signs of distress got me shopping.
@@meles3740 Well, I am definitely not trying to undersell the SVS subwoofer, that isn't my intention. I am only providing compression testing results. The link you sent for the PB16 is for long term output sweeps, which is a different type of test. I think you are confusing max output tests with compression testing. I was not doing a max output test, only seeing what the max out put is before compression happens. I am definitely not disagreeing that they are capable of more output than what a compression test shows, but I also didn't represent my video as a max output test ;P.
Were those tactile videos of your setup? That looks like a pile of fun. I have thought about doing a boss platform, but I get some pretty intense tactile response from my near field TV3612, not as much as you though, that is just nuts lol. Sounds like you are a bit of a bass-head like me, and you need some subwoofers with more headroom. Have you ever considered DIY or some big boy subs like a dual 18" driver unit from JTR or PSA, or even a dual 15" from Rythmik?
i seen a guy with 18, 18 inch subs in his living room lol.
That sounds like a good time lol!
Rip to his eardrums in advance
That's over 190 db if each one outputs 90db at least
@@oscarishandsome5150 haha, two 90 db devices together max out at 96 db and less if phase issues. Also 90 plus 90 does not equal 190 lol.
@@meles3740 read again, there are 18 subs in total
I wish you did the klipsch subs vs. These guys
That would be an interesting comparison. I even used to have the Klipsch SPL150's at one time.
Klipsch won't stand close to it. Monolith and Hsu are in same league as svs among 12" drivers.
Hsu is actually the best among these but unfortunately I can't get them in canada
@@oscarishandsome5150 The Klipsch 115SW is VERY close to the SVS PB2000, in fact it out performs the PB2000 in some frequencies. Considering the new PB2000 Pro is only a slight improvement, the Klipsch 115SW would be a closer comparison than you think.
@@oscarishandsome5150 That is according to price range. The HSU VTF-15h would out perform this SVS, but you are right they don't make it easy for anyone outside the U.S to get.
@@SpecOfTech I was talking about both companies 12 inch drivers and svs has more rms there which will give it some extra db