Film Theory: How NOT To Train Your Dragon! (How To Train Your Dragon)
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Ever wonder what it would be like to have your own pet dragon? The How To Train Your Dragon movies have made us think it would be a fire-breathing good time! Except they never actually tell us HOW to train a dragon or if it would be a good idea in the first place. I mean, these are dangerous wild creatures! So today I'm out to give us a FINAL ANSWER! Should you try to train a dragon? Let's find out!
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I get what you're going for here, but I feel like there's a couple things worth pointing out:
1. You only mention Toothless in this video. Hiccup's peers all have their own dragon by the end of the first video, and none of them have the handicap Toothless does.
2. In virtually any story or myth about Dragons, they are usually much more sentient (of that's the right word) than most other reptiles. Especially in this movie series. Dragons often display much more emotion (among other things) than ordinary lizards. You can see that Toothless and many other dragons express non-primitive emotions. For example, in more than one seen you can see that the dragons actually enjoy being petted. There obviously isn't any scientific basis for this, but dragons always seem to have more advanced brains than you give them credit for.
But hey, that's just a theory. A counter-theory. Thanks for reading.
To add on in the recent movie I believe toothless tries to woo the "light fury" which shows not only emotion but more than just find the most fit mate to make the best babies
Their behavior seems to be more aline with feline traits rather than reptilian ones
Thank you, now I don't have to type out all this myself!
Huge problem with people’s interpretation of dragons; they aren’t just lizards with wings and magic propane breath.
Dragons in most of their iteration are the ultimate creature. They have the evolutionary superiority of reptiles combined with the intelligence and emotional complexity of mammals. Their physiology is similar to birds in order to fly. They are _WARM BLOODED,_ and, finally, they are as smart as if not smarter than humans. Dragons are meant to be superior to every other animal in every way. It’s what makes them scary fundamentally.
I think that matpat was just trying to be more realistic but I love your observations👏
Yeah not a great basis here.
1. Hiccup did not intentionally injure Toothless, he only realised the injury after setting him free (e.g. he didn't even consider training him until after the fact).
2. Why drop Stockholm syndrome if lizards do not have any form of emotional capacity?
3. Throughout the movies Toothless actively defends/interacts with Hiccup, for example in the first movie when Hiccup screamed from being attacked in the Dragon arena Toothless ran to defend him, and on other occasions seemed to emotionally care about Hiccup and others.
4. Toothless (and other dragons) do show degrees of higher intelligence other than emotional complexity. In the first movie Toothless stays hidden and only attacks towers and other important offensive structures instead of simply 'going on a rampage' like a simple animal. Showing almost a degree of tactics, something lower lifeforms could certainly never achieve.
5. In the 2nd movie, if Toothless was simply relying on whoever was riding him, then why did Toothless overcome mind control to side with Hiccup instead of the current alpha?
Sorry MatPat but we're going to disagree here.
Damm
Red-Rabbit I fully agree with you
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I think the dragons should’ve been compared to cats rather than lizards. Nice point making.
i love that mat pat ignore that all the other dragons were dommesticated without being beat or forced and toothless didn´t want the tail that make him fly alone a lot of times until the last movie
This is one of the MatPat theories we’ve put in the dumpster, I do love whenever I disagree with a theory because I can feel like I might be smart.
Yeah, he’s just saying stuff about reptiles and that the movie is wrong ? It’s a fantasy movie bruh the dragons have feelings and personality in THAT world, it’s a made up world and that’s how they are “made”!! It’s just funny to listen to how wrong he is and he just sounds dumb in my opinion
@@jadebogen He sounds wrong and dumb because none of you are actually looking at the theory correctly..You're looking at it as if it's knowledge on how that world in the movies works, it isn't! It's a theory on how the dragons SHOULD behave if they were real which would be very different..If dragons were real creatures they'd be like reptiles most likely and thus untrainable. It's a theory on the science of training real life flying reptiles, not on the movie..it's a goddamn movie literally ANYTHING can happen in it because of "movie magic", doesn't mean it's scientifically accurate.
It's a theory based on "dragon=reptile". Reptiles cannot be trained so dragons couldn't be.
Since dragons are fictional however they could theoretically have any kind of brain..mat just decided to go off the closest species to them off looks and biology which happens to be reptiles. If they were instead a type of flying dinosaur they may be trainable but it's uncertain what dinosaurs brains looked like.
@@testerwulf3357 This paragraph can be debunked rather easily. The dragons don’t just have any type of brain, they’re specifically designed after cats. Cats can and have, in fact, be trained.
this is the film theory equivalent to the For Honor
@@testerwulf3357 bro, dragons are controlled by two gods, I can't remember the good one, but the bad ones are controlled by Tiamat, touch grass nard cheese, don't even know your dragon magics
But reptiles CAN be trained. I personally watched Chris Pratt train a squad of raptors.
*Mind blown into states of nuclear radiation*
Raptors are birds
this should definitly be upvoted more, since MatPat LOVES Chris Pratt, if he would listen to nothing else, he would listen to this comment.
I actually laughed out loud thank you for making my day :D ^-^
@@Empty_Carbon birds are reptiles
Here is the flaws with this theory.
1. OK, Hiccup had an injured dragon, but what about stormfly? Hookfang? Meatlug? Literally evey dragon. They join willingly. Also, the dragons aren't domesticated. They are utilized for flying, attacking, defending and target practice. You need to TRAIN the dragon how to do this with a riders command instead of by instinct.
2 Hiccup in a 'Gift of the Night Furry' attempted to give Toothless a tail that allowed him to fly independently and toothless smashed it. TOOTHLESS smashed it.
3. Dragons DO NOT EQUAL LIZARDS. They are way more intelligent than Lizards and that's literally established in the first episode. A lizard does not show compassion, doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and like you SAID YOURSELF, can't be trained.
4. Dragons show numerous emotions for their own kind and their riders. Saving their riders, demonstrating loyalty, and showing genuine sadness when someone passes away are all obvious signs of their emotional capabilities.
5 They are arguably probably smarter than dogs or cats. For instance, they don't just know basic commands. They can have the capability to understand full sentences. Toothless is easily able to comprehend what Hiccup is saying and responses accordingly with a growl of protectiveness, a purr of delight, an eye roll, and numerous other parts of body language.
6. Dragons still need survival. They fight for their riders and their villages. They aren't just trained, they are utilized for battle as well, like a horse.
7. Although, what Hiccup did was dangerous, that was essentially the point. He was the first so of course He's not gonna do it effectively. In Race to The Edge they demonstrate much more effective ways such as using sounds (like in the episode when Astrid becomes blind).
8. If toothless was so afraid of Hiccup, why didn't he kill him when he had the chance? He sparred him because even though he shot him down, he didn't kill him. That entire time he was with the "dangerous human" he could have easily just killed him with one shot. And prior to him fixing the tail, he had to earn Toothless's trust.
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And to back up this notion of dragons being different than lizards, in the book series the movies were based on the dragons had their own language called dragonese. AN ENTIRE LANGUAGE
Also that:
9. Hiccup obviously didn't made a device to make Toothless fly by himself cause he was just a little kid trying to figure out how to make the dragon fly and failinv many times. He had go test it so he had to be there with the dragon and he just stood with the one that worked effiently.
10. Dragons are intelligent enough to develop emotions; even in Cressida Cowell's books you can learn the language dragons speak, because they do talk (in the book, obviously)
Sorry my dude but *SPAIRED**
Could not have put it better myself.
There are several times in EACH movie where Toothless has the chance to leave Hiccup, but he CHOOSES not to. In the first movie, when Hiccup falls off Toothless after fighting the Red Death, Toothless could have flown off on his own, but instead CHOOSES to save Hiccup. In the second movie, Toothless could have flown away again while fighting Drago's Alpha, as Hiccup was not riding him, and we saw him earlier in the movie getting better at flying on his own. And of course, in the third movie, Toothless has MULTIPLE chances to leave hiccup, but every time he does, he eventually comes back.
Because toothless Love's hiccup like a son
(Spoilers for race to the edge) -
Also in the spin off series race to the edge there's an episode where they run into a tribe dedicated to dragons and treat them like royality so when they see hiccup and co. riding dragons they assume that they are being abused and capture the riders and put hiccup in a pit full of quite aggressive dragons as punishment. The riders dragons were given fruit which basically makes very sleepy and relaxed but toothless sensed that hiccup was in danger and pushed through everyone to save him. This showed the tribe that hiccup wasn't abusive bc a dragon that has supposedly been abused wouldn't try and save him, especially after eating fruit meant to make him very sleepy and relaxed.
THAT IS BECAUSE HE IS DOMESTICATED-. If you take your dog outside and let the leash go they won’t care and probably run or walk away. But they will probably COME BACK. Because free food and shelter is WAY better. It’s a tactic. If you do train your dog, it’s normally to stay put- and not move because you believe it “needs” you think you have a bond. Toothless only really needed hiccup for food and for the fact he never had a proper tail. The only time he got one was at the last movie. Where he finally found another dragon of his kind. Toothless was depressed and probably felt like crap every time his friends would leave to mate and he couldn’t. He finally got a life. A proper one
But he can't fly without hiccup. So he is forced to need him or else he dies.
@@jeremyzapsmash in the 3rd movie, hiccup gives him a tail prosthetic that allows him to fly, and he definitely has multiple chances to fly away and just leave him, but he chooses not to.
Mat, in the 3rd movie when hiccup is making toothless a tail he can fly with, it is stated hiccup had made one for toothless and tried to get him to use it but toothless didn't want to, and instead destroyed it.
Dragon: clearly displays emotion throughout all 3 movies
MatPat: no you can’t feel anything you cat-lizard
Dragons: *Have Emotions*
MatPat: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that
Well, MattPatt didn't really dive too deep into this....Not realizing that like Dinosaurs, Dragons are more closely related to birds...hence why a majority of them fly, unlike reptiles.
He didn't even stop to think about birds being raptors... Feels a bit rushed to me honestly.
He also mentioned they act like glorified cats. I assume if they act like cats, they can be trained like cats.
Why is he relating real life lizards to dragons? Obviously, the dragons can't be really real according to this realities physics because of the whole flying thing, so why would there be no possible way to have a more complex brain like a dog or cat?
Every instance of Dragon: Smart, intelligent, creatures usually with ancient knowledge and abilities lost to the ages.
Matpat: big lizard.
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Counterpoint: The Christmas special is set only a few months after the first movie, in the winter season. In the winter, the dragons leave Berk to breed, but Hiccup didn't know that. Seeing Toothless eager to leave with the already departed dragons, he designed an automated tail for the him before anyone even knew why the other dragons had left. He didn't even project a retrieving mechanism like it's said in the video, Mat just made it up! There's even a line where it's stated that if Toothless chose to leave, he'd be gone for good, when Astrid asks "But what if he doesn't come back...? Oh, who am I kidding? Of course he will come back! ...Right?". Toothless then promptly leaves Berk, but as his genus seemingly mates for life, he doesn't want to breed since he doesn't have a mate yet. Insted he retrieves Hiccup's helmet, which had fallen in the ocean. After his task is done, Toothless destroys the new tail and asks for the old one to be re-attatched.
Now here's a bit of a mini theory of why Toothless came back (other than the fact Dreamworks had money to make): In the end of the first movie, Toothless shows great empathy towards Hiccup's missing leg and does his most to help him get around without it. Hiccup seems to realize the dragon is sensible to his limited mobility, as he states in the second movie, when they're play-fighting: "Oh, come on, you wouldn't hurt a one-legged... Whoa!". Toothless takes pity on his wounded friend, as he himself once lost a body part and thus his ability to move with ease. After being tamed and taught to fly with the new artificial tail, Toothless now thinks his duty as being the wings for this injured human who can't move well anymore, like a service dog. He's more than willing to walk on a metaphoric leash until he feels his duty of taking his dear friend to places he can no longer reach is done, which makes his reaction to seeing older Hiccup in the end of the third movie that much sweeter. He reacts happyly seeing an old friend and that's a very beautiful moment on its own, but he also feels great joy on seeing that Hiccup can now reach the dragons' nest on his own, without the aid of wings. That's when Toothless is really free.
Or, you know, maybe not. Maybe it's what Mat said. I'm just a random in the comments overthinking details from an animated movie.
Toothless wouldn't have gone to the breeding island anyway. The second movie establishes that he's Hiccup's age, meaning that in Gift of the Night Fury he would've still been undergoing dragon puberty and thus wouldn't be old enough to sire offspring.
to be fair, matpat is also just a random person overthinking details from an animated movie
I think Matpat changed his mind about dragons not having any emotions or caring about their owners after he saw Toothless give Hiccup a hug before he left for The Hidden World. It was truly heartbreaking and i think Matpat, if he watched the full movie, cried at that scene just like the rest of us.
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Toothless: *Shows jelousy when hiccup introduces him to Astrid*
Matpat: *I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that*
Like that's my human you can't have him
Ikr
Toothless: *Literally overcomes his Dragon nature to obey the Alpha due to his love towards Hiccup in HTTYD 2*
Matpat: *I'm gonna prettend I didn't see that*
Toothless: Forms a bond with Hiccup where he destroys the mechanism that would allow him to fly by himself just so he could continue to fly with Hiccup
MatPat: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that
In the Netflix series toothless was given a tale but didn't want it they even saw that in the last movie.
Anyone: *Shows affection*
Matpat: “THERE IS THE STOCKHOLME SYNDROME!!!!”
Um did you see the third movie because toothless gets his freedom
@@claireshnowske1224 it's an joke...
@@linuslundqvist14 ''an joke''
@@claireshnowske1224 Nope. Haven't even seen the second one yet.
Lol
The movie franchise never said that dragons are just glorified reptiles. If I were to guess, their ancestors probably split off from reptiles at about the same time mammals did, maybe even earlier considering most dragons have 6 limbs. For anyone not aware, the reason no terrestrial vertebrate has more than 4 limbs is because their common ancestor, the first fish to come on land, only had four limbs. So it is very much possible that dragons have a completely separate ancestor from the common ancestor of all land vertebrates. An ancestor with 6 limbs.
Even if dragons were just lizards, you could take a look at dinosaurs. Dinosaurs split off from the reptile lineage about 250 million years ago, they quickly changed into the largest terrestrial creatures ever. They dominated the lands they lived in. This has nothing to do with how smart they are, just about how quickly they can change. For dragons to have enough time to completely change into creatures who are warm blooded, with a fast metabolism, and an extra set of limbs, they'd need at least 100 million years, probably more because no creature has ever been able to make that shift. And in that time they would easily be able to gain an intelligence equal to or even better than a humans.
So your argument that "you can't train dragons because you can't train lizards" is invalid because dragons are not ever stated to be lizards. They have very obviously different behavioral patterns and are physically extremely different from reptiles, except for the fact that they have scales and lay eggs.
I know you will never see this as I am a few years late, but I just had to say something.
I said this as well when the video came out (though not quite as scientifically), but it didn't seem like anybody wanted to hear it. :/
In literally every historical piece of writing that involves dragons they're always depicted as wise Beyond humans understanding or at least in the couple that I've read the dragons and how to train your dragons are actually picked it as stupider than the average dragon
To be fair, the dragons in the HTTYD are WAY smarter and emotional than the average reptile, so regular training can be applied.
But yeah, don't expect a lizard to love you.
the notion reptiles cant experience emotion or bond with somebody is outdated
@@fancygecko8936 but they very rarely bond with a person like a dog would. I had a pet crocodile for a year and it was only towards the end of the year that it seemed like he actually trusted me and was showing reciprocal emotions during our interactions.
@@zegelth9436 how did he recipricate emotions exactly I need more information
Like he said they are glorified cats with wings so you can train them like a dog or a cat
@@Allybestleadernocap Saying the dragons are glorified cats with wings is like looking at the most vast candy shop in the world and saying "Oh, WeLl iT's AlL sUgAr So It'S jUsT tHe SaMe."
MatPat: Dragons in this universe behave like cats
Also MatPat: Now I'm going to spend the whole video as if they behave like lizards.
Also would like to point out that only warm-blooded animals would be capable of achieving flight, so this comparison falls flat immediately.
@@thegoldenking225 they might have to be another species entirely. Mammals dont lay eggs. But they need warm blood. It's possible they belong with birds though, that might've been a better theory tbh
Exactly!😂
@@nonoctoro4933 are you saying that I forgot Pterosaurs or that matpat did?
Nero Mudkip aren’t platypuses warm-blooded mammals that lay eggs? (I know that would just be the exception to the norm but still it shows a possibility)
One thing to point out is that in the short film "the gift of the night fury" which takes place not too long after the events of the first film. Hiccup gives toothless a tail fin he can control himself, at the end of the film, we see him destroy it and insist on using the saddle and original tail fin controlled by hiccup.
To be honest, I’m pretty sure he did not watch riders of Berk, defenders of Berk, or any of the sequels, because only a real fan would watch those and see the actual development in the character because character development is important
The obvious has already been said here, that you're comparing dragons to lizards when they could really be completely different and much more emotionally evolved, perhaps more like birds. But the one thing that I have to point out here is that, whilst it was wrong of Hiccup to injure Toothless, that's the reason he feels it's his duty to help him regain his freedom after he'd realised he'd harmed an innocent being, even if it's only attainable with Hiccup at his side. Hiccup dedicates his life to righting his wrong, then the wrongs of the rest of his people that have been taught to hate dragons, which is an incredibly noble thing to do. Not selfish at all. Also that look of happiness on his face when his first tail flap works is because he's excited that his invention worked. Soz Matpat but you missed the mark on this one!
Hiccup: *Getting ready to finish off toothless to prove himself to his father*
Also Hiccup: *Maybe I really shouldn't kill this dragon, look at him. I'm sorry I shot him down in the first place.*
Mattpat: I'm gonna leave that part out
Indeed
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Good theory... BUUUT this is one of my favourite shows so allow me to use a little bit of rebuttal.
Firstly the dragons that we see in the first film are domesticated. As in the dragons that wont kill you unstantly. It is directly stated that they protect. Other dragons are shown to be more in line with the wilderness.
2nd I want to talk about toothless. Hiccup shoots down dragon, WITH THE INTENT TO KILL!! This explains why he did those actions, the loss of the tail fin was an accident. The only reason Toothless survived was because Hiccup decided not to kill him. Hiccup then felt bad about rendering Toothless flightless, so he build him a new tail fin. Now at this time hiccup is smart, but not smart enough to make an automated tail. So he builds a basic design, attatches it to Toothless. This is the point where toothless 'runs away from the human predator'. Which is 1000% wrong. Toothless feels like he has his tail back and so just wants to dash into the sky, at this point Toothless completly forgets about Hiccup and just wants to fly.
About controll. It is shown that Hiccup can actualy have absolute controll over Toothless. But that has only been shown once, Ever. In fact in the first film we see Toothless use scare tactics on Astrid, as Toothless does not like her at this point.
Next up is the auto tail. How does hiccup have ANY controll over it? I must have missed that in my multiple viewings. Also what you didn't say is how it ended. Hiccup saying that Toothless has a tail giving him absolute controll, so Toothless breaks it. Activly willing to be able to fly with Hiccup.
What else, oh yeah dragon intelligence. Dragons are smarter then any other creature, meaning that they CAN be trained like a dog. If not better. In fact night furys where supposed to be possiably even smarter then humans. They DO have capacity for emotions.
So there is my rebuttle to this theory. If anyone who ever reads this had any questions or any othet form of comment, please reply. I would love to explain my rebuttle more.
Jesus.... But yeah well put. this is repetitive but mats theories and getting shittier each upload
i agree completely. I think he just wants to start a complicated question about there friendship. Yes hiccup was selfish but he was only that way becouse of his own insecurities .also he wasn't really keeping him as a slave if toothless was ok with it like a dog is ok with you walking it. wasn't until the end of the third movie he learned they can't all live together peacefully anymore.
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100% on-board with you dude
I am such a huge fan of the httyd series, and watching this made me flip
True. If dragons were similar to other reptiles in this theory's reasons, then the movie would've been really different.
But, I'm glad dragons aren't like the common reptile when it comes to their minds.
When he said "your basilisk can skip across your bathtub" (14:16) I just thought about how if you put a basilisk lizard on the side of your tub and give it time it'll be going as soon as it realizes there's water.
MatPat: "Dragons are basically a large cat."
Also MatPat: "Dragons have the same intelligence as other lizards."
over 200 like no one commented...
@@zaneflores3963 for 8 months too
@@Complex.History yeah XD
Yeah this is generally why I dont bother watching Game Theory and related channels. The script states one thing (Dragons in HTTYD) are like cats then immediately goes of on a tangent of how reptiles cant be trained because of primitive brains. Its like well that's nice but the dragons here obviously have a limbic system if they are behaving like cats DUH. At least get your thinking complete before rambling for 15mins. Also its a cartoon so whatever.
@@Aabergm MatPat implies that the dragon are *portrayed in the movie* as huge cats, but in real world they just would have been like any reptile
*Dragons showing emotion throughout all three movies*
Matpat: I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that
He based his theory on real life facts (not from the movies) to answer the hypothetical question “Could you train a dragon in real life”
@@nailahahmad4285 But he's assuming that a dragon would be just like a lizard, which is a huge mistake. Dinosaurs, for example, (the closest things to dragons irl) have been proven to be very unlizardlike, with herds, packs, etc. and also at least sudo-warmbloodedness.
@@PsshIm2Cool Hey, hey, guess what?
*This movie used scientific facts. They did their research.* Just look at their flying dynamics.
Matpat:Compares A giant reptile that can shoot plasma draw pictures understand languages control other dragons and recognize people after years and the personal values to Items from other people they lost to a Normal lizard
@@PsshIm2Cool That's based on the fact that those dragons would even be like real life lizards, though. Why the hell would they? It's impossible to know. Usually theories for movies and videogames are based on their own in-universe facts, not real life facts, unless those movies or videogames show no difference to real life in the important aspects, but in this case... There are dragons, which don't exist in real life, so you can't just say that if dragons existed, their brain would be just like real life lizards, especially since it is clearly shown that they have emotions in the movies. I think you're the retarded one by failing to see that fact, and also because you're calling other people retarded.
So the thing about dragons is that they have always been considered more intelligent then other reptiles. Dragons are a completely different part of the reptile family they are reptiles that have evolved to have much higher intelligence then other reptiles with some having near human intelligence.
10:25 but these dragons do have the mentality to have complex emotions and thoughts this is shown in the one scene where after seeing hiccup drawing in sand with a stick. Toothless figures out how to use a tree to draw a complex maze for hiccup to figure out
But dragons are really smart, toothless can understand drawing, shows complex emotions and rejects a working tail Hiccup offered him
Matpat said it himself
They are just like cats
This is true.
Cuz it's Fiction
@DelinquentTV oh, sorry, please forgive my transgressions
HEY MAYBE YOUR RIGHT BUT STILL GO EAT SOME FIDO POO FOR DISRESPECTING MAT PAT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MattPat: Makes a video assuming dragons in HTTYD are like lizards and can't feel complex emotions
Fans: Push back and correct him
MattPat: *surprised Pikachu meme*
the Question was could you train one in real life.
Dragons are fictional. The closest thing we have in real life is a lizard. A komodo dragon.
@@nikt12 because we all know if it looks the same, we can apply everything to it! A worm is BASICALLY a caterpillar, a bird is the exact same as a bat. Dinosaurs? Just big ol lizards!
The topic was about training a dragon, if you wanna train something it isn't about it's body, it's about it's brain. Dragons clearly act differently from lizards so we should choose something that acts closer like say, a cat the very thing they compare the dragons behavior to? Or some other animal that fills a similar niche in the natural world?
@@awesomesausome1557 and you are basing this on what?
a children's movie?
"dragons clearly act differently from lizards"
wrong.
The correct sentence is "dragons don't exist so we have to base them on their closest relatives"
@@nikt12 And from the movies, it seems like their closest relatives are... cats, not lizards
@@nikt12 True, a dragon acts exactly how the author wrote it as, be it a mindless and feral beast or a thoughtful and philosophical creature with godlike powers.
You never fail to ruin my childhood...
RESPECT!
and there go's another childhood movie but yet I cant stop watching this channel lol
Says Dragons are glorified cats in the "How To Train Your Dragon" universe
Uses lizard as a close representation to dragons.
10/10 Matt.
Dragon is a mythical creature which intelligence is capable of surpassing a human's. I think that's the part of the legend. Am I wrong?
@@iwansays Me: Are dragons are real?
@@R.Sinnia
That's why I said "mythical".
@@iwansays does mythical means maybe real or may not?? Because I am in India and I am not that much fluent in english. 😅
@@R.Sinnia
It's unreal. That's why dragons shouldn't be classified as common reptiles.
How to Train Your Dragon
Step one: live in a world where dragons exist
good tip
So we all fail then
... or do we?
Sure
Hi
Dinosaurs could be the dragons from the tales of old
I would argue based on the size of the dragons and some designs, that the dragons are evolved descendants of dinosaurs, some dragons even going so far as to act like birds (StarFire, for example) and we all know birds are trainable, and some of the highest intellectual animals aside from primates.
I would argue the dragons would be more closely related to birds than lizards, possibly an animal halfway between birds and dinosaurs evolved into the first dragon, and things went on from there.
But that’s just a theory.
An EVOLUTION THEORY.
*I do respect that this is just a film theory*
5:30 Toothless doesn't actually fly away from a 'human predator,' who I quote, is a "talking fishbone." Toothless, before getting a tail actually sees a bird, (one of the few times a bird is actually seen) and you can tell that he wants to fly. Hiccup gives him a new tail, Toothless would want to fly.
MatPat: "Lizards don't have emotions"
Any drangon: "Am I a joke to you?"
A garden lizard:u suck mat pat!
I've seen too many reptile videos to believe this. They do have emotions though they aren't as defined as ours or other mammals.
Also Dragons: Actually we are more closely related to birds....how many lizards can fly?
It is more: "At least humans are related to monkeys, so you want banana?" or "what ever pawny human, I need visit my cousin Cthulhu now".
MatPat: This sweet, intelligent, and innocent dragon is being subjected to a slave for Hiccupp
Also MatPat: These dragons have no emotional or mental capability and are basically lizards
Thank you.
And also Hiccup didn't HURT Toothless on purpose, it was a lucky shot to capture him with minimum damage (yes rocks, but he didn't launch deadly blades at him) AND it was self defense.
Tale Leny that better than being found, captured, and eaten. Without a chance of winning since he can’t fly
Yeah and Toothless took advantage more of Hiccup than vice-versa, because Hiccup freed all the dragons from the big one. Toothless is like a cool kid that acts like a bully but its actually a sad clueless idiot baby that feels like he just needed a friend which makes the crowd soft for him.
He REALLY wants to try to present a theory based off the movie, when in reality its just a video about how real Lizards normally act
8:34 Don't forget: As you said it yourself, dragons in this universe are quote "Giant glorified cats", and also seem to be intellegent enough to understand human to a degree
Actually, hiccup made toothless a tail toothless could use on his own much before the first movie in a short called “the gift of the night fury” but toothless destroyed it because he only wanted to fly with hiccup.
Matpat: Dragons act like cats.
Also Matpat: Dragons are basically reptiles.
Me: *visual confusion*
Dragons are now known as catiles part cat part reptile
Same
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Why are so many people in the comments so stupid.
@Dank Matter jeux
Absolutely Noboby:
Matpat: Toothless is being abused by hiccup....
its a film theory, it always ask the question that people don't ask
He DID by damaging his tail, but they were mortal enemies, so it's understandable.
What he does is trying hard to make up for it later.
He clearly didnt watch the second movie where hiccup explains that to his mom
@@nightfuryflame7366 This is exactly why MatPat's more recent videos have been disappointing me.
mjangelvortex I know this is five months late, but GOSH I feel the exact same way.
Man I just watched the first two movies and I love how to train your dragon already
Oh remember that movie. I watched it when social media wasn’t so familiar like triniton and flip technology.
Sound logic MattPatt, but a couple of major flaws with this theory:
1. (As the rest of the comments have mentioned) Based on their interactions with humans, the dragons of HTTYD are clearly more like dogs or cats than lizards, possessing the necessary brain parts to develop emotional responses.
2. The title 'How To TRAIN Your Dragon' comes precisely from the books that these films use as their starting point for worldbuilding. The films don't adapt the books because in the books the dragons are even more advanced creatures, capable of communication by language with humans who speak Dragonese.
But hey, it's all a fiction, so let's not get too worked up over it!
There is only one thing I have to say to this comment: Funnel cake
Please ignore my randomness. Anyway I really do agree. It is fiction and we should not get too worked up about it. Let me just get a gun and some bleach first.
Seriously though, come on guys. It's not worth it
@Laith Ramzi you serious, mate? James Quarterman already stated in his second point "The title 'How To TRAIN Your Dragon' comes precisely from the books" - Which means yes, the books are literally called How to Train Your Dragon, and that's the point he was making. The film doesn't follow the books very accurately so you can't really pick at the use of the word "train" so much. Anyways, they're by Cressida Cowell if you're interested in reading them, so you have all you need now. Enjoy!
Matpat - "The dragons in HTTYD are basically cats"
Also Matpat - _Well yes, but actually no_
qctually toothless is only dragon based if a black panther
@@darbiesamson676and bats
@@darbiesamson676 I like your picture ☺️
This is my husband’s favorite franchise. Thanks for covering this great franchise.
Hiccup training toothless is literally the most accurate thing to human history
Okay, but the Dragons in HTTYD are clearly and demonstrably capable of emotional connection, acting more like cats than lizards. Training one's dragon is possible in-universe because Dragons are not a typical lizard.
hes giving the dragons a ral life parable u cant expect the same results, he even says in the begin hes giving hicup a real life chance
Since dragons don't exist a "real life chance" doesn't make sense unless your using the franchisees dragons. all he said was, oh they're lizards they aren't pets
Agreed. They clearly have the intelligence to have more than a "lizard brain" anyhow. Look at the emotions that they display for god's sake! I don't know about any of you, but I think matpats wrong on this one.
Thats what im saying they are not lizards + its not like we had a dragon before and saw their brain
Excactly
>boy is born to a culture where dragon killing is a means of survival and gaining a social standing
>boy realizes they were wrong and frees a dragon
>boy attempts to atone for his errors by creating a prosthetic to give the downed dragon its flight again
MatPat: "animal abuse"
That's like saying you're a cannibal but you donate the spare limbs to charity. He abused an animal. Then helped the animal. Shooting an animal with a harpoon gun isn't exactly friendly (then again, the dragons were the attackers)
@@user-fi3or2ee7k the guy whole culture revolves around killing dragons, its like people killing wild boars for sport except much worse, their whole hierarchy and social culture dictates the best dragon killers are on top. Hiccup wanted to be popular and attacked a night fury, but he wanted to atone for what he did when he saw it and helped it gain its flight back, and yes it isn't friendly but it was mostly self defence cause Dragons are the invaders stealing their crops and burning the vikings homes, they initiated the conflict.
Default Name Bola* Also you're forgetting that in actual real world lore (both Western and Eastern depictions) dragons have intelligence akin or superior to humans. Likening Toothless to an animal is kind of an injustice to his character and the decisions he makes in the movies. Hiccup saw that their original way of life was wrong when he finally came face-to-face with a helpless downed dragon, in a moment in the movie that was both beautiful and very telling of Hiccup's character:
Hiccup: "He looked just as frightened as I was. I looked at him and I saw myself."
Toothless isn't just some mere animal. ^^^
Matpat=Peta
Peta=bad
BUT HEY THATS JUST A THEORY A META THEORY.
Agreed, it also isn't animal abuse if you're trying to protect yourself and your livestock like you would protect a sheep from a wolf, a chicken from a fox, or yourself from a bear barreling towards you straight out of hibernation. Then he makes up for it realizing he did wrong and helps the animal, like people do for endangered species.
At the end of the third movie, the people of Berk set their dragons free. It was a long time coming, but that was the right thing to do.
Aight, Mat, lemmie correct a few things:
1. Toothless was attacking the village. Hiccup defended his village.
2. Hiccup could have left Toothless alone, problem was that as Gobber said, a downed dragon is a dead dragon.
3. Hiccup never made the tail flap to ride the dragon, this was never his intention, also, he didn't dominate Toothless, he showed the dragon trust and respected his space until HE was willing to come to him.
4. The him riding part was simply a necessity, because again, medieval times, not really a way to create self-moving prosthetics, even in the second movie he only was able to make it lock in place which allowed Toothless to fly in a straight line on his own.
5. Even when riding, Toothless still holds some manner of control as we saw in the flight with Astrid and Hiccup as he refused to obey Hiccup and intended to scare Astrid until she apologized to HIS human that he had grown attached to.
6. The chasing with the saddle was playful, Toothless was playing with Hiccup! And he was congratulating him that his prosthetic worked, cause, let us face it, no one else will! His intention was never to ride Toothless, it just came as a side-thing because, again, Hiccup can't create a prosthetic that Toothless can control.
7. We see more then once that Toothless has learned to trust Hiccup and Hiccup trusts Toothless and as such, they have saved each other more then once.
“This wasn’t a vicious beast, but an INTELLIGENT, gentle creature; who’s soul reflected my own” - Valka
So much for catching up on the franchise
He said, though, that reptiles are smart just not emotionally so. I'm on the fence, but I feel 137 likes is undeserved here
@@ruaridhusher4373 The problem is, in most forms of lore on dragons they are highly intelligent creatures, not just how to train your dragon but in most lore of the big scaley lizards. So they would have the extra brain power to be trained.
Matpat: compares httyd dragons to cats in their behavior
Also Matpat: dragons are reptiles with no emotional complexity.
Press "F" to pay respects.
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I'm not gonna' press it.
considering how different HHTYD dragons are to real life reptiles, I'm surprised he failed to realize that.
No there like cat lizards
He used the comparison to cats as a metaphor to show how these dragons act in the movie.
@@PsshIm2Cool that's not what he meant
Watching how to drain your dragon 3 in 4d was some of my best moments
How to train your dragon:
YELL AT IT
loudly
"Dragons are really just glorified cats"
But you still used the reptile standard for training? Come on, this is an obvious flaw Mat
DERGedric he said they act like cats, not that they ARE cats 😂
@@whythough8422 but if they had the same brain structure as real life lizards they wouldn't be capable of acting like cats
Yeah, and then also “realistically” dragons probably wouldn’t even be in the reptile category (including having 6 limbs and external ear flaps). They seem to act like some combination of bird and dog in terms of curiosity and interest in what humans are doing. It is a bit unrealistic how fast it goes from all out war to everybody being best buds, but it’s a movie directed at a younger audience, so... Also all the taming/befriending can take a long time and be pretty repetitive, so not great movie material necessarily.
This is just a theory asshole
@@Neonkujo *A bad theory.
Toothless is more like a cat bat hybrid than a flying lizard..
Because he is based on on a cat
king liam mc meow
I would say toothless dinosaur, pterodactyl (that isn't dinosaur) and cat hybrid
Yea
It’s more of a bearded dragon.. but yeah sure
why did he forget that hiccup himself claimed that toothless denied taking the self-controlling tail earlier, even astrid backed it up I think
the thumbnail and video name is gonna make the HTTYD fandom MAD
Matt. Buddy. Pal. Friend.
You done goofed.
Hiccup does try to design a prosthetic tail that works without him early on.
The dragons depicted do not behave like Lizards, moreso cats and birds.
The dragons do display cognitive thought and emotion.
Yes, they’re wild animals; but they’re highly intelligent wild animals with a capacity for thought that rivals even humans.
EDIT: Holy shit the likes though.
yeah, I miss the theories that were more science-based
(although I did learn about the difference between domesticated and trained today so that's neat I guess)
He explained that part.
2:53
Cats ?
Lulu Says Hi I learned more about the psychological levels of the brain... I honestly have been considering that I maybe should major in psychology just cause it fascinates me so much and this video helped me get more info on brains
Also they, you know completely understand human speech which generally helps.
You're missing the point. Dragons in the HTTYD universe are NOT just like lizards, they display near-sentient behaviour throughout the serious. And seem to even be able to feel and display complex emotional behaviour.
chill lol, people take some of mat videos waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to seriously, just sit and enjoy without getting butthurt bcs someone said something you disagree about a movie you like
@@absi49 actually, I think he just said it normally and that he brought up a nice fact.
In the end *it's just a theory*
@@absi49 chill dude
@@yesicalicht4882 *A FILM THEORY*
@@absi49 It seems pretty logical to me. It's not about butthurt, it's about matpat ignoring crucial imperical evidence to the contrary of his theory. The fact is, those animals display complex emotional behavior beyond any reptile we have here on earth. Circumventing that and drawing arbitrary comparisons to real-life lizards anyway is just a bad theory.
Matpat, Could you make another theory on how to train your dragon? Maybe one trying to figure out how intelligent dragons are in this series.
Ok that guy running around with a tiny kangaroo is adorable
You left out a crucial detail though. You’re comparing flying reptiles to terrestrially bound reptiles. The ability to fly puts whole new evolutionary pressures on reptiles to develop new levels of behavioral and social complexity. Take for example birds (a sub-classification of reptile, evolutionarily speaking). These flying reptiles have developed sophisticated patterns of social communication. Many species of birds are incredibly loyal; in fact some species of songbird are monogamous maters. Some parrots develop close relationships with humans, and an ability to communicate that rivals even most mammals. If dragons faced similar evolutionary pressures as birds (e.g. vocal or visual communication, traveling as a group, etc.), they would likely have brains more amenable to developing social relationships across species, like parrots can.
For shame, MatPat!
i think there intelligence level is more akin to dolphins tho
I can certainly agree with this.
Beyond that, the trained, tamed, domesticated issue is less clear cut for dragons. Dragons show a capability to understand distinctly human sounds, including whistles. There are few animals capable of this, dogs, some cats, and very well trained animals. I have two theories to account for this:
1. Dragons are domesticated. However, this had to have taken at least 10 generations and who knows how long dragons live. We could include the show cannon and assume that people on other islands were already domesticating most of those dragons. The dragons attacking Berk were therefor not wild, but feral.
2. The dragons are wild but have co evolved with humans to better understand and fight them. This is why they do not avoid humans. The dragons could then be tamed and trained. They could also be proto-domesticated, meaning they are not fully domesticated, but are easier to tame. This does not rely on the sub-cannon shows to prove.
Rosetta Johnson the dragons in the series are misunderstood in the first movie, though they are wild and untamed they aren't actually as primitive and aggressive as the Vikings on Burke think they are. They're mainly acting on instinct. In the first movie it's even about realising that dragons and Vikings aren't actually enemies and that the dragons are not aggressive towards humans by nature. They are both just fighting for survival and have been conditioned to be afraid of each other.
Hiccup is the first one in Burke to brake this chain of events; by recognising that toothless is actually just like him, so he chooses not to kill him, and instead to help him. He realises that toothless is more than just "the unholy offspring of lightning and death itself" and dragons shouldn't be hunted down and killed. They are misunderstood. When approached the right way they can be very friendly. Again, they were mainly acting on instinct and the result of being conditioned to fear humans (plus mind control from the red/green death). They are very social and can clearly show emotion, understanding and a high intelligence.
It's kinda the whole point of the series that toothless and hiccup are best friends and equals. You can even see that toothless recognises what people are saying and can copy human mannerisms! So I think the dragons in httyd are more complicated than we give them credit for. The dragons displayed in the franchise act more like wild cats, dogs, horses, birds and bats, with intelligence that's closer to a humans. They clearly show emotion, curiosity and adapt extremely well to different situations.
The “lizard brain” simply wouldn’t suffice for a flying animal. Even my teeny parakeet knows the difference between me and my family members and shows STRONG opinions about them. Social cues are needed when creating a pack mentality (like the dragons are see to have). Gosh, I expect more from Mat
Toothless: shows emotions
Mattpat: I’m suddenly blind
Yeah...
true, the dragons are 1,000 x more complex than any real reptile.
As I said, not even reptiles.
Dragons have 6 limbs, Reptiles have 4.
They are obviously on completely different evolutionary branches.
@Joejoe Joe 4 legs, 2 wings.
Wings are limbs.
That is why every actual winged creature on Earth have two legs.
Joejoe Joe a 6 limbs animal is different from any kind of animals. Because the animal skeleton share through all animals even us human. That's mean dragon is on its own kind catergory which we've never encounter. Sorry for bad English, I can't describe all of my idea
I think there has been multiple occasions where Toothless has, in fact, tooted, so that alternate name won't do so well, MattyPatty
the series dragons were not tamed
he trained him to adapt a relationship with him that's completely different hiccup gained toothless respect and then friendship after he saw that he needs hiccup for his own survival its a relationship built of respect and helping each others dragons aren't stupid they are a civilization and since the village took care of the red death the dragons saw them as friends and allies
u helped me and even saved me i will return the favor this is how hiccup and then the rest trained there dragons
not like our stupid nowadays
This doesn't seem fair of a comparison though, sure in real life lizards aren't emotionally complex, but in the movies and shows they're shown to be intelligent, have emotions and be capable attachment.
I think a more fair comparison would be something like birds of prey whom evolved from dinosaurs or maybe other large intelligent predators such as lions, polar bears, etc.
yea
That looks alot more like the movies
Even further the dragons are shown to act almost human like and are much more complex than even dogs or cats. The dragons in the movies are also shown in the Netflix and earlier Cartoon Network adaptations to be mostly peaceful animals and matpat doesn’t dig in to how much the red death control was affecting the dragons
I was just looking for someone in the comments to say this. Dragons aren't real animals, but in the movie we see that they have some form of compassion. Some dragon species more than others. So that must mean that they developed from a sort of prehistoric lizard, in order to become the emotionally capable animals we see in the movie. They experienced a form of evolution.
Technically birds ARE reptiles, so comparing the dragons to birds makes sense
Matpat:
Dragon = big lizard
Comments:
Yes but actually no
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I would like your comment, but it kinda has a perfect 300 likes, so...
ilebillybobjoe that’s offensive I reported u too get rekt lmao gonna get fucked by CZcams. Cya bye 👋🏻 banned cya cya cya
Ok um im sorry but i am and have been OBSSESED with this show and you have officially made me cry a frickin ocean WHY MATPAT WHY GOD
film theory idea: the lore of boss baby (why do they need love?)
I agree with the comments. Like at the beginning he was talking about how Hiccup was controlling Toothless by making inventions only Hiccup can control. Well, he is not a master inventor and that was probably the only thing he could do at the time. And it shows that Hiccup was improving throughout the movie franchises and he even said himself that in the end Hiccup made an invention that Toothless can control himself. Hiccup just wanted to show that he can hunt a dragon to the rest of the community, and in the end he actually wanted to help Toothless and he corrected his mistake. Also, these dragons have shown emotions and if you watched this movie, you can tell that dragons are way smarter than a lizard. Hiccup and Toothless have a great, unbreakable bond and Hiccup was not trying to make Toothless his pet or jeopardize his freedom, like I said before he didn’t know how to help him and he did the best he could.
I really like mat pat, but this theory was mediocre at best and it is clear in the comments that people are not happy with this one
I’m sorry and I mean no disrespect or to be rude. And at the part when i said “if you watched the movies” I know it sounded rude but I didn’t mean to.
I’m Weird :/ toothless can control himself even with the tale hiccup gave him
Another thing he blatantly didnt mentioned is that seconds after the moment he showed in the christmas special is that toothless trashed the automatic tail for the old one
Oh jeez, it's like that Kirby theory from 2 weeks ago. It's as if Matpat is stretching his theories a bit too far by manipulating/ignoring data. I hope Matpat gets his game on soon. Speaking of which, where is the part 2 of of the Kirby video? I want some juicy lore that I already know about known to the world..
Dragon head looks a lot bigger than a human’s...
I’m Weird :/ honestly there was a Christmas movie were hiccup gave toothless a new tail so he can go home but toothless didn’t want it
Matpat: "Dragon's effectively act like a giant cats, so lets evaluate them as Giant reptiles"
A lot of fantasy stuff even claims dragons are more like mammals then lizards
*than
The closest to actual dragons we have had on earth would be dinosaurs... Right? Didn't they evolve into birds? Like a chicken from tyrannosaurus?
EXACTLY!
Would have been more interesting if he based it off of training cats.
Even training birds would have been better. He forgot basic observation of source material and shoe horned in his own misconceptions. Toothless behaviour is modeled after cats... Like httyd 101 Matpat
MatPat! You forgot the fact that Toothless destroys the tail Hiccup made for him, throws up half of the fish Hiccup gave to him in the first movie, AND that in the second movie Toothless willingly risks his life just to save Hiccup! He willingly does this even when there’s other vikings that can build him a new tail that he can fly and control by himself.
Even in the first movie he saves hiccups life, and no one would even be mad at toothless for it
Thrumble from my singing mosters: Mind empty just swim. hum and vibe
Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs theory:
A) How much damage would a worldwide food storm cause?
B) How much damage would a meatball the size depicted in the movies actually cause?
C) How sanitary would Chew and Swallow actually be with food falling every day?
Itd be more of a positive than a negative. Lets just highball an d say a trillion dollars property damage. All of hunger is solved. no one has to by food anymore. we can focus on mvoing society forward.
And an undertale multiverse theory (look at underverse for info)
Fun fact: if you drop a penny from the empire state building and it lands on your head, it most definitely can kill you. Now think about what would happen if that was a 20 oz steak, from a greater distance.
Masterful Melon but then everyone who has jobs related to food would be unemployed
I would love this theory XD
Petition for a second episode where MatPat considers dragons having emotions like shown in the movies and tells us how to actually train a dragon. (I just really want to know.)
Exactly.
@Anthony Richard Bezerra Martins Shit man that reminds me of 'Does Bruno Mars is gay?' my god I haven't thought about that in yours
i guess the answer is just like u train ur dog or cat. Unless it can be proven that these dragons are as smart as humans in which case fken learn dragon.
or be daenerys.
If he did ut would be a miricale
Well done MatPat proofing once again your the best at ruining our childhoods 👌
This could have possibly been one of my first few film theory videos
Apparently Mat forgot that Hiccup did make a tailfin that he doesn’t control but Toothless destroyed it.
Seriously. Pretty sure all dragons in that world aren't viewing their riders as a food market lol, and toothless is the only dragon that needs a rider. So why are all the other dragons choosing to be domesticated? MatPat is smart, but this theory is bullshit and he just phoned it in.
That makes no sense because he already has a tail why would he break the new one ?
GODOFAWSOMENESS1 he acknowledged it but somehow hiccup would’ve still had control
@@matthaeus7762 Right? How did Hiccup still have control when Toothless left on his own? And they thought he went with the other dragons when he really went to find Valka's helmet when Hiccup had accepted the loss. Toothless understood the connection to the helmet and Valka even though it seemed like he shouldn't have.
@@Thisisnotadreamhaha True and despite what Matpat is saying, these dragons were trained not domesticated. They know complex commands and can utilize their abilities as they wish. There are copious numbers of dragons that don't want to be trained and so they aren't trained. I'd argue that the riders rely more on the dragon than the dragon relies on the rider.
MatPat, this theory was terrible.
Almost every single thing you said was wrong and the biggest flaw was clear.
In gift of the night fury, Toothless rejects and smashes the tail that Hiccup makes for him that he can use all on his own.
He is very clearly more intelligent than you think and he sees Hiccup as a friend.
that called stockholm syndrome
@@the_jingo lol, personally if i could fly freely after not being able to without somebody on my back, i wouldn't smash it out because "friendship"
Calvin Johnson I think he just rushed this theory out to get something going. It honestly should have been more thought out and more time taken to make it
@@the_jingo its not, its not only toothless, look at how vigo tames the skrill, its in mere seconds and he was completely free!
How does he not remember that?
liked the ruler slapping noise
This turned into the how to not train you dragon to the animal brain real quick
90% of comments: “This theory doesn’t make sense”
Other 10%: “RIP Steve Irwin”
Edit: also I do think you’re the best of the mid teir influencers on CZcams Mat, but this theory is definitely a stretch. It’s clear that the brain of a dragon is far more complex than that of a human so it’s not fair to compare it to a lizard. I think this theory would’ve been a lot better if you had focused on dragon “training” being Stockholm Sydrome (you seemed to be going that direction at first). Anyway you’re still awesome Mat, keep up the good work :D
other 3%: people who failed math class
Lol
100% peta sucks
@@zookboy5714 😂😂 and 0.1% recommending this video to you czcams.com/video/LA9ge1KQWqo/video.html 😊
I’m that 10%
I usually agree with most of MatPats theory’s... this one not so much. Not to mention he straight up accuses Hiccup of animal cruelty. I don’t think you got the message of the movie at all. Hiccup changes the Vikings whole mindset regarding dragons. He only shot toothless down because of his upbringing, he was highly pressured to do so. He also saved Toothless from what he did to him. And in the last movie he did let him go. Idk there are a lot of flaws in this theory.
omg of course he got the point of the movie. It's a theory, it's content, it's not a review, gosh. It's just a bad, half-baked theory with a lot of stretched arguments
Exactly it's like he just lied and watched the first movie only and ''barely'', He just sounds like a person who wants to be angry at everything, like one of the cutest and funniest movies, and he talks about slavery, animal cruelty, abuse, like what are you on about Matt?
Shut the fuck up. It’s not a theory about the movie’s morality. It’s about how you can’t realistically train a lizard. How can you not get that? It doesn’t fucking matter if Hiccup was pressured or if he ended up saving Dragon lives.
@@KenLinx If it wasn't about the movie's morality, then he shouldn't have spent the first half of the video accusing Hiccup of animal cruelty and just cut straight to lizard training.
@@comicking428 Did you watch the video? He only talked about animal cruelty to make the theory more interesting.
When I was young, film theory scared me, still does.
I'm surprised that there's no the good dinosaur theory about how spots family isn't actually his family.
I think you are wrong about a central issue you presented: Dragons having a "reptile brain". The dragons in the movie are powerful flyers and this level of energy would require warm-bloodedness. They are also naturally social. So, they make look like lizards with wings, but they are _distantly_ descended from reptiles in the same way as mammals and birds. Their skin covering resembles the lizard skin, unlike fur or feathers. So they look like lizards _to us_ because that is a major distinguishing characteristic.
Look at the size of the dragon's eyes: it probably hunts from the air and relies on acute vision. So it may have a brain more like that of a falcon, not an alligator.
Clearly something drastic happened to their lineage, since they have six limbs. Tetrapods -- all the mammals, birds, and reptiles -- are stuck with four and this was developmentally locked in fairly early on. This is not a superficial difference, but something that goes back to the most ancient ancestors. This suggests that they branched off _earlier_ than all extant tetrapods, back when they were just beginning to adapt to land.
So, they are as closely related to lizards as they are to humans! That is, not much at all. They went their own way and over the same time span evolved the same traits as birds and mammals. Just because the _look_ like lizards with wings does not mean they are closely related.
I suggest that the wild animal model would be more like the Parrot. I happen to have one: not a domesticated species, but just a few generations out of the wild, and is a "socialized" individual of a wild species. Parrots come in many species of varied appearance -- in fact, two different branches are lumped under the casual term. Many are social, smart problem solvers, and friendly when raised as a pet. Oh, and this one likes to have his head scratched, too.
Better theory than the video.
Yeah to be honest they are a pretty social species as they have alphas and courtships
I just posted a theory on how the dragons here already likely more of a synapsid species than a lizard one. Guess I should have read the comments first!
Good analysis!
It went from explaining how dragons are different creatures from lizards
to a pet parrot that likes getting it's head scratched
John Długosz thank you so much for saying this. Throughout the entire video I was basically yelling “THEY ARENT FRICKING LIZARDS”
How to train your dragon:*exist*
Matpat:I'm about to end this man's career
Woman’s*
Most of the memes that use this format include an actual thread or rost, but this seems more fitting because the man who said that also put in no effort to what he was saying.
I was re-watching this video and realised a common trend in the comment section. People complaining that "MatPat wasn't acknowledging the fact that dragons are smart" or "Hiccup and Toothless were already friends". I think you missed the point of the video. What he was trying to convey was that *you cannot train a dragon IRL* . The point was never about whether Hiccup trained his dragon properly or not, but whether his tactics could be applied to real life reptile counterparts of dragons. Granted, he did make a few wrong comments about the movie that might've made you assume he was talking about the feasibility of the movie, but I hope they were sarcastic comments rather than him literally looking away from the plot of the film.
When MatPat first talks about it: I love the FTGHTATYD
At end of video: I hate the FTGHTATYD
Is everyone forgetting that hiccup made a tail flap that allowed toothless to fly but toothless chose to destroy it
right...
That's true I did.
where is a clip ?
@@LITTLEBRAT775081 it happened in the short film "how to train your dragon: gift of the night fury" towards the end
Only matpat, apparently.
Nice theory, but fundamentally flawed. This entire theory relies on the belief that they never grew a bond. Sure, it was fucked up how it started, but by the end it of it resulted in a mutually beneficial companionship.
And to the point where he never made an autonomous tail? He didn't know how to in the 1st movie, and when he did in the special, even then Toothless came back in the end.
Edit: I have ALWAYS been on the side that gives MatPat the benefit of the doubt, in every game theory and every film theory, this is the first time I've fully thought a theory of his is false. Like no going about it, its just plain wrong.
Nero Biblios sigh how many times do I have to say this... This is if there was dragons IN THE REAL WORLD, he is not talking about the ones in the movies
I would say even the start wasnt fucked up. The guy shot a predator out of self defence, and defence of his people. THEN he realized (unlike Matt apparently...) this predator is actually sentient. THEN he tries to help him find his autonomy again, but as you said, isnt able to make the right machine to do so. Instead of letting it die, he does the only thing he can do, which is ride it. Not even a bad thing, as the dragon seems to (as Matt once again seemed to miss) have bonded with him.
I just want to be the first to point that Mat himself said in his latest Bendy theory that he doesn't believe in most of his theories. Just saying
I think the actual flaw here is just to slap the dragons with a reptile label and be done with it.
First, he should prove is the dragons on the movie are indeed reptiles, which is probably not the case.
@@tag627 If he were talking about ones in the real world, then why slap the label of How To Train Your Dragon onto the theory?
well... there goes my child hood, thanks MatPat :D
It really seems like Matpat hates animated movies or something, especially when he does film theories on them.
Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two pictures:
Animated dragons
Reptiles in the real world
Matpat: they're the same picture
They are the same thing. And I have no idea why people are so stupid to not understand that today's reptiles (lizards etc) are descendants of Dinosaurs.
@@PsshIm2Cool ... You're serious? Wow...
It has long since been proven the closet descendent to the dinosaurs is, get this... The chicken. And MatPat knows this fact as he has achnowled it in the past
@@PsshIm2Cool Don't know if you are trolling... I assume you are not, if you are, ignore my comment:
Actually, reptiles have lived alongside dinosaurs for quite some time. The dinosaurs went extinct a long time ago, along with some big reptiles too probably, but they always were completely different species. Birds are the decendant of dinosaurs, which is why some, maybe even many dinosaurs, were probably covered in proto-feathers.
PsshIm2Cool Idiot.
That theory falls apart after you consider that dragons don't have to follow rules of basic reptiles.
Hey whats your pfp I think I seen it somewhere
@@dontknowdontcare1934 Idk but I know yours.
@@dontknowdontcare1934 Its a shadbase drawing isn't it.
Not really it's about abuse.
@@velvetschannel.5053 Wouldn't call it abuse. The movie shows more about them bonding, helping feed Toothless and learn about him like someone like Coyote Peterson does. They created a strong relationship before them attempting to fly. Also, Hiccup giving Toothless a tail flap to help him fly is like how people give humans or animals prosthetic body parts to help them function. He didn't put it on intending to fly him; he only realized after he put it on that Toothless couldn't fly without him controlling Toothless. Watch the movie, it's a good watch and gives more context to this
It's funny to me how he he mentioned about the dragon brain, he chose the skrill...
A strike class dragon that is also known for their high intelligence....
Oh boy...
That also displays it's intelligence in some episodes....
So many things is wrong in this theory and it feels like MatPat is drained and trying to desperately make something new hahaha.
You all made me feel better after looking in the comments tysm this was like the show that i love and care for