The Ford Focus RS Engine is Seriously Bad & Ford Had to Know. This one Locked Up!
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- čas přidán 21. 12. 2017
- This is the insane story of a 2016 Ford Focus RS owner who had his engine lock up at only 20,000 miles. I cover the major defect with the Focus RS engine in detail and try to figure out how this horrible problem passed inspection at Ford. Hope you enjoy and don't forget to subscribe.
Big thanks to Stratified Auto for all the great info. Here is a link for them if you guys need performance work. They seem to really know their stuff.
stratifiedauto.com/blog/focus-...
Thanks to focusrs.org for a ton of good info as well. Here is that super long thread.
www.focusrs.org/forum/154-focu...
Here a link for the diagnostic flow chart. www.focusrs.org/forum/16-focus... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
In the end, what do you think Ford will do about this?
Shamefully, Ford will kick the can down the road not unlike GMs Northstar blast furnace and Chrysler's 2.7l sludge maker. Im betting the RS gets a new motor for the MCE.
I got a complete new engine when my RS suffered from this problem and not just a long block either, everything from the throttle body right through to the turbo including a new clutch and flywheel! I think when the recall comes it'll be an inspection and gasket replacement unless there's evidence of coolant loss and bore scoring in which case it'll have to be the complete engine. It's going to cost Ford a massive amount!
Not sure that Ford will do anything about this but, I am sure there are some enterprising small performance companies out there that would take a scrapped long block that has too much warpage and cut it up into pieces that can be used to reinforce those cylinder sleeves to the block and to the adjacent cylinders without blocking coolant flow. It looks like it could be done with a little bit of effort and make the engine much more reliable.
Mermaids
Pretty accurate sum-up of the Northstar and 2.7L haha
I'm currently working at Ford. I've literally worked the station putting head gaskets on the new Focus engines (well, before I got laid off and production of the new Focus engines got moved to China). This isn't necessarily super germane to the engineering problems, but speaks to Ford's general attitude- I was trained on that station by another temp employee for less than 10 minutes before being left unsupervised to do it for an entire shift. I was shown the task a few times, observed doing it 'correctly', and then left to my own devices.
I'm fairly knowledgeable about cars, so I realized that I shouldn't smear the gasket sealant that is already applied when the engine reaches your station, however, this was never even mentioned to me. Virtually nothing that I would have considered pertinent to the job was explained. What if I put the gasket on upside down and then have to flip it? Oh, whoops, it's all covered in the sealant, and now there's less than there should be on the correct side, guess this engine's going though. I just missed one of the two indexing points and have now pushed the gasket into the sealant, but have to now pivot the whole thing a couple degrees to get it to sit correctly, guess what, that engine's going through. Accidentally smeared a big chunk of sealant off with my hand while placing the gasket. Godspeed lil' engine. I'm not saying I ever did any of this, but based on my interactions with the rest of the work force, I can virtually guarantee situations like that occurred.
Now, take into account that roughly 50% of Ford's workforce is part-time temp workers. Half of the assembly of that engine is being performed to this 'standard' with a comparable level of experience at the specific tasks. It was a rare occasion for me to perform a job I had done before, mainly because the temp workers were slotted wherever needed. Everyone actually showed up today? Ok, send the highest payed legacy workers home and slot a part time worker into their team (team, not task, you sure as fuck aren't getting the job that legacy worker was doing). Team 3 is short people today? Grab a temp from team 7 and stick them in a job. And here's the best part- they're not giving you the simplest, easiest to understand jobs, because anyone with seniority is instantly going to bitch if you get slotted into an easier job than them.
So, there you go. Part time workers with no incentive to do well (we don't get profit sharing, earn vacation, sick days, or seniority, have no pension, etc, etc) are performing the most difficult or time consuming assembly tasks, mostly unsupervised, that they have virtually no experience doing. "Ford- Quality First"
Oh, fun bonus story of working on the final engine test stations. If the engine doesn't pass, you retest it. If it still doesn't pass, you retest it. If it still doesn't pass, you 'reject' it, meaning it does a loop on the conveyor system, and hopefully passes for one of the other stations.
Who knows, since they're being made in China now, maybe the next year's Focus engines will be rock solid (oh right, Ford can't design an engine correctly either..).
(edited for grammar/ punctuation)
This comment right here. Working environments have greatly changed and for the worst.
Steven, Cummins diesel engines are made by a lot of temporary workers and workers often rotate throughout the factory. These jobs are not Rocket scientists working on jet engines and all engines are tested after manufacturing. They do the same thing as Ford with testing (different stations for running different tests). Over half the parts on those engines come from China and India. I worked as a product engineer at Cummins so I know what goes on behind-the-scenes with quality. I'm sure Ford goes through the same problems and processes.
I've owned lots of Ford's over the past 25 plus years including the 2.0 liter engine and never had any issues with them getting over 200,000 miles on it. I will say that the 2.0 liter engine with the overhead cams run a bit rough during idle, but still are very dependable. Factory recalls are normal for cars these days and often times issues don't appear until years later.
Harry Gaul I think I’m going to believe the guy who actually worked on the engines himself than someone with just an opinion like everyone else.
ffs
Ford is shit and you know it, don’t excuse the brand
The problem with this engine is not the open deck design, it's probably the coolant loop. The turbo headers are integrated into the cylinder head, and the engine coolant is used to cool the headers.
Research of a very popular German RS and ST (Beast Factory) tuner has shown that steam bubbles build up in the hottest area of the coolant loop. And that's next to the headers between cylinder 2 and 3, where the 4 exhaust pipes come together. The steam bubbles collect at the highest point of the cooling loop, which is at exactly this point, so they stay there and don't exit the system. Steam bubbles can't conduct heat nearly as good as liquid coolant, so these parts of the head and block get even hotter and hotter, beyond 1000°C. This leads to the head and block deforming.
They did a very detailed explanation on how the coolant runs, how they tested it, and why this is not an open deck problem. They even explained why the Mustang Ecoboost is not having these issues. I can't give more details out of my head, but you should get the idea.
Apparently there have been broken engines with the old and the new head gaskets.
Beast Factory uses waterless coolant to work around the problem, since it has a higher boiling point. They did not encounter cooling problems on testing, yet, but only time can tell.
interesting... can I have a link to the article?
They did a 20 minutes youtube video explaining the issues on some opened up engines, but the video is in german.
czcams.com/video/5NYIdUztk8M/video.html
You'll have to see for yourself if the english subtitles work for you.
Ultrabenbooyah thank you I'll see if the subtitles work!💪
"A year later Frank found the fifth drive mode, Blown Headgasket Mode" hahahaha 😂
They really do have a blown gasket mode, it’s called “ Limp In Mode “
The head gasket issue was fixed, im at 135k miles , just regular maintenance and 2 set of clutch . Its been an amazing journey with the RS. people have no idea what they missed by avoiding this vehicle . Also makes me feel good because no body wants an RS and that is good because is hard to see an RS n the streets and makes your car unique . Hard to spot one . I have only seen 4 in a 5 year period around orlando Fl.
“A year later Frank found the fifth drive mode called blown head gasket mode” lmaoooooo
First video of yours, you easily sold me on your channel in this video alone the quality is amazing makes it very enjoyable to watch and all facts are straight up and the pictures of what you are talking about are an awesome addition.
A+ on the production value! Production value + solid content = a very happy subscriber! I can't say the same for Frank Focus. Keep these kind of videos coming Alex and this channel will take off. I've been with you since 1k subs.
Sanctus Vianney Thanks a lot! You are a channel OG for sure.
Alex
So this is how ken block gets those smokey drifts!
Lmfao
Ken block is a homosexual
@@jew_world_order your a homosexual
What do you call a Ford RS with 20,000 miles on it? A miracle
hahahahahahahaha
Ba Dum Pssssst
What do you call a ZR1 and Z06 with 10,000 miles literally a miracle.
An antique.
Mine has 50k...no issues yet
Mine blew a head gasket at 7k miles. They replaced the head. It did it again at 18k miles. They replaced the motor.
Unreal!
Alex
MrGrey you should’ve just replaced the car.
MrGrey ford = found on road dead for a reason
MrGrey i'm sure it is going to happen again. Next I'm tell them to buy back the car through the lemon law. Having an open block design is not ideal for high HP engines.
Tony Dinh funny you say honda. Type R (same price point as focus RS) has an issue with going into 2nd gear. In fact, it grinds pretty badly. At least Ford would replace or fix the problem, as honda... did not want to. "Please send in transmission oil sample" still no response. So many people has this issue and Honda wont do a goddamn thing about it. Oh and only about 3% of the RS's has this gasket issue, however, the type R.... just about 17% and its making me want to sell mine.
Blown head gasket mode! Love it
Friend Built Yeah, sounds like a Ford.
Reason why I bought an ST: the RS has a bored out block which is the same as the one in the ST, but therefore has weaker cylinder linings/ walls. Also, both cars have cast rather than forged pistons and con rods. So don't do pulls from low revvs in high gears. The head gasket is also weak because it can't cope with the compression ratios. Usual situation with Fast Fords: great cars, but built to a cost. Great ideas for health of car: meticulously replace oil every 7500 miles; drain and replace coolant every 20-30,000 miles, and do a regular decarbonisation every few thousand miles too (because of the direct injection)
Great Video, Very direct with explanation, details and Look forward to hearing more about what Ford is doing for RS Owners.
Thank you for taking the time to make theses videos. I believe you have a solid future doing this given your expertise and polished presentations.
At least Ford is taking care of the problem. When I grenaded my transmission on my 02' WRX it was stock except for a Exedy OE replacement clutch that I had installed at a Subaru dealership. The transmission was making a ticking noise after the clutch install that it wasn't making before it. I took it back and they informed me that I had some broken teeth on 2nd gear and blamed it on hard launches. I was still breaking the clutch in and had not taken the car over 3K rpm which is barely getting into boost. I contacted a SOA rep and they basicly said it was my fault even though lots of people were having the same problem. Its good that RS owners are documenting on You Tube. Keep Ford honest.
I saw another video concerning this where the guy said that it is very possible that the RS was mistakenly fitted with the head gasket at the factory from the 2.3 ECO Mustang engine. Both are 2.3, but the design of the blocks are different. His evidence is pretty convincing.
This is correct. This was the issue and Ford did a recall and sorted it out.
"blown head gasket mode" lmaooo
Alex: You Rock! You provide a logical and linear analysis of a complex problem in a manner that "Non Car Guy's and Gals" can understand. You need an agent to set you up with a syndicated Cable TV Show. Keep up the great work and Happy Holidays.
That had me cracking up!! Tokyo drift, Poor guy and his dreams ... Ford crushed them.
speaking of head gasket failures...
Should have put the 2jz in it...run forever
Warped Perception
crushed them and took his money with interest. shameful business practice.
John Hamrick
Blown Headgasket are common on 2jz and at the Nürburgring you see them blown often because we got no kiddie tracks and roads like the US . Every company car here do more racing on a daily use then your hyper tuned cars wich can only last a quarter mile before it blows.
Warped Perception ...he crushed his own dreams. This whole scenario seems like BS!
Excellent video, thanks for all your time and effort, Bob 😎
This video harps on the negative. Though the vid is mostly speculation, the exact issue was identified. Ford did take care of the issue. They put out a full Field Service Action, (FSA) for the RSs in the specific build time-line for it. There was an identified issue that they used the wrong gasket (I believe for a very similar Mustang engine) and they identified the build time-line/which specific RSs were affected. At my free FSA check, the compression check was boarder-line but Ford didn't hesitate to offer the fix. Ford took responsibility and replaced HG at no cost to me, including free rental car.
Update: My 17 RS ran great but got an odd thing where the interior audio would cut out for a few moments when engine auto-stop at a red-light/stop sign. Ford took the car back and gave me a brand new 2018 RS. As said, the head gasket issue was on certain models/build time-lines; the 2018s did not have the HG issue as it was identified and addressed pre-build of the 18s.
My 2018 that I got brand new now (5 yrs later) has 45k miles on it and It’s been 100% reliable and runs as good as when I got it. I absolutely love it.
Also, I do get a bit of a Subaru fan boy/RS hater vibe with the vid host but who know ha. There's a portion of this vid that shows how exemplary a WRX head is, opposed to the RS head.. b/c we all know that Subarus never blow a head gasket 🤣.
The 18s are the ones to get if you get one. They're limited edition, have a limited slip differential that the prior years didn't have, and they didn't have the HG issue. I believe only 1,500 were built for the US for the 18s and they also put better shocks in to help improve the suspension from prior years. I've a buddy with an 18 RS with more miles than mine and we both have had no issues and they're running great.
Cheers! 😎
That was an awesome video! I hope there are more just like this in the future, I’m sure there is enough weird stories just like this one with other car manufacturers. Great job dude!
Thanks for the video. For did put out the FSA and I got a new head and head gasket. Ford took responsibility for it and my car is all fixed at no cost to me, including free rental car for the 2 weeks. I do like the car very much. Hopefully, all is fixed. It runs great so far.
Update: It had an undiagnosable issue with the auto engine stop/start. Ford took the car back and gave me a 2018 RS. The head gasket issue was on certain models and build time-lines. The 2018s did not have the HG issue as they addressed it. My 2018 now has 45k miles on it and It’s been 100% reliable. I absolutely love it.
Also, I do get a bit of a Subaru fan boy/RS hater vibe here but who know heh. There's a portion of this vid that shows how good a WRX head is, opposed to the RS head.. b/c we all know that Subarus never blow a head gasket 🤣.
U should have gone for the type r 😁. Its a bit slower, but it runs!! 😎😎
@@SilverDelSol and only fwd lol and more expensive 😂 fuck the type R
My first new car was a Ford Escort Pony. After 27,000 miles the timing belt broke. Just got worse after that. When I asked the service manager if there was a known issue with the ignition coil (mine failed twice in 2 months shortly after the timing belt broke) he said... "you get what you pay for." I was 20 years old. I have not bought a Ford since then... and I have no plans to. I'm 52, BTW.
Thank you so much. Now I understand better why theres no 2019 or 2020 focus RS. You saved me from getting into a 30k mile 2017 RS
The engine isn't bad in the least. The head gasket issue is from the ecostang's gasket being put on the RS by accident in the earlier builds. The difference is a single hole for routing coolant.
I *really* like the idea of a channel that looks at how many newer cars have time bomb issues.
El Michoacano YOU don't make sense or have any, apparently. 😕✌
With cars nowadays that channel would be getting plenty of content to display
And El Michoacano he's getting at how many newer cars tend to develop catastrophic breaks or failures, usually to defect in materials or flawed design (for example, the flawed design in the I4 ecoboost in this Focus)
Truth be told you did sound like being a Sarcastic Troll fishing for quick entertainment . . . kinda hard to tell with all the P.O.S users cruising YT land. Glad we got that misunderstanding out of the way.
I don't know if you get to select the points at which the ads interrupt, but lately they always seem to cut you off at a bad time, creating a cliff hanger. Annoying, I much prefer the ads to come at a natural break in the action! Great work though, you are one of the CZcams stars. Excellent content!
Wow! I’ve been with subaru for over 12 years and I wouldn’t expect this from Ford. We change every head gasket on every subaru we sell because it’s such an issue. This just blows my mind seeing the gaskets.
Awesome vid Alex. Every one gets better. I can tell you're getting more comfortable in front of the camera.
Thanks Robert. Appreciate that.
Alex
LegitStreetCars No problem. If you get a chance, you should have an email from me a while back about an AMG I'm interested in buying from a friend. Email starts with robhull. Happy holidays.
Great video Alex, can’t wait to see more of these
It's not only the RS that has issues, the 1.0L, 1.5L and some 1.6L ecoboost engines all have issues. The only one I haven't really seen issues with is the 2.0L in the focus ST. We have done too many cylinder heads and replaced ecoboost engines to count.. The 1.5 has similar issues as the 2.3, but it also has a problem with the PCV system, where it ends up blowing oil straight into the intake manifold and the builds up on the spark plugs and valves (mainly cylinder 2 for some reason) and causes pre-detonation, and then engine damage... My old fiesta ST was the first and last ford I will ever own..
And that's why I have a focus st. Engine is more better and reliable 👌
Comprehensive and excellent review of this issue. Wanted one of these after I gave up on Subaru for making yet another ugly WRX. The new one looks like a Carolla, And the RS looks cool. Kind looks like the WRC Fiesta that MSport races. But that block design to me is just asking for trouble.
Fantastic video man, great work and perfect presentation
A student in my automotive class works at a local Ford dealership that was doing these recals. Apparently the problem is a few of the plants were supposedly unknowingly putting the head gasket from the Ecoboost mustang on these, and there is some notable differences on these motors all though they are basically the same.
@ferkemall that's funny!!
Good video. Given Ford's history gas tank diff shields with design defects, unless it's projected to cost more than lawsuits they'll ignore it.
Anyway, you mentioned suggestions. How about Toyota's ongoing software issues. From the killer Priuses a few years back to the current Tacoma drive by wire issues that they can't seem to resolve.
Of all the companies in the world you might expect not to be able to get software right, Toyota is hard to believe.
“Blown head gasket mode”. Hehe
"Drift Blown Head Gasket Mode" that was Hilarious!! or is it a steam engine????
sounds like a regular ford mode to me. found on road dead
I'm pretty sure that was implemented by Subaru on the Impreza
Automatically engaged, for your convenience.
Love this type of video. subscribed.
Keep up the good work.
This channel is awesome! Really interesting to follow how you tackle problems.
Great video and presentation. This issue is not unique to the 2.3. My 2.0 EB in 2016 Edge had the same issues. First eating coolant, they replaced the head at 25K, by 39K they had to replace the long block for same issues.
Mate the 1.0 litre eb is worse we called them ecoboom take a guess to why haha
452 bad ratings by *new* RS owners! Seriously though how can you not rate this highly?! Excellent stuff, well done for this expose. Even with part replacement who wants their engine torn apart on a fairly new car? I'm not in the market for an RS bit if I was I'd be thinking very carefully right about now about a possible purchase!!!!
If you had half a brain you would know almost any 4 banger turbo tuner car on the market all have had major fuckin issues all on their own. That's the reality. Don't buy a tiny little engine and shove a bunch of boost into and rod it and think it's going to be your daily driver. Now there are a lot of high mileage 4 banger tuner cars out there but most of them take care of it the right way as well.... You never know what the driver has done to the car either and will cry about it being someone else's fault when the shit breaks. Get used to it, buy a CTSV , pretty flawless drive train at it's insane hp levels, something you can beat on with confidence. A lot of brands released engines with porous blocks from the factory etc and didn't change it down the road, turbo seals leaking, transmissions exploding, head gaskets prematurely failing. I mean some of you have no fucking clue.
Keep this series up!
Had my recall done, car is running perfect and has been to multiple track days. I absolutely love this thing and it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
It's still a pos.
Masked Masters really? Have you driven one? Awesome bit of kit and definitely not a pos.
I know a lot of people get all up in arms about their favorite or competing brands but, I was raised on Dodge products, trained on Chevy and then worked at a Ford dealer, I actually have to say that working there and owning several new/newer Fords over the years that they are very good at Dealing with their problems, many a time, product improvement letters came out that you never heard about in any media, and the customers were taken care of quickly with very little complaint. no brand is perfect all of the time, but I think Ford has always been an industry leader, and will remain so well into the future.
I drive an old volvo 240 with a B230 engine , 114 HP and over 600,000 miles on it without any intervention on the engine short block
When I see aberrations like that, I'm sure that I will keep it for a long time.
It's sure that such a boosted engine is much more prone to troubles but it is inacceptable to put in the hands of the public engines that should be reserved for competition use where a qualified team is employed to make a close followup.
I will not discuss of the technical solutions but simply say that when you buy a "new and improved" product, in fact, you buy a cheaper product that search cobayes to make the tests
You're my hero :D
My college instructor worked on engineering the ford focus rs engine. He loves this engine and would often speak of the politics when building it. They had to meet the hp & torque ratings near the desired rpms, make the power-band smooth. I wonder what his explanation of this would be.
You cant have everything!
Please ask and let us know
The best evidence to determine the over all engine design is poor may be measured by repeat failures. If the replacement engine is equipped with a properly fitted gasket that is a better quality and the engine does not repeat the same failures after similar conditions have been met, than I would consider the over all design of the engine to be sound and the cause of the concern to be the gasket and or the original quality of assembly.
Bare in mind during development every manufacturer performs rigorous durability testing. The likes of which are far crueler just about any daily driver will endure. However, the vendors that provide various parts during assembly often change during production if a parts supplier is unable to keep up with demand and or quality. This often the reason for many recalls.
Porsche used open decks for the 944 and 928 and neither of those engines were notorious for head gasket failures.
The principle design is favorable for cooling and allows a higher volume of fluid around the cylinder to absorb vibrations. If the proper gaskets are fitted with the proper fasteners its should not be a problem.
If after the first failure the engines are replaced or resurfaced heads and new gaskets experience the same failure conditions than I would agree that the block is the root cause.
1400IntruderVS the open deck appears to me one of the major problems here. The walls seem to slightly elliptical that can only be from wear from cylinders swaying up and down. Changing just the head gasket is just going the cheap rout and might work for now but doesn't solve the problem entirely.
It’s a shame because the Ford Focus, especially the 2012 and newer ones, are one of my dream cars. All I hear is problems after problems for these cars. I don’t think I’m buying one any time soon.
Those of you looking to get a Focus RS don't need to worry. This was only a problem for the 2016 models. Since then they put the new updated head and head gasket in the newer models. And if you have a 2016 you can take it to your local Ford dealer and they'll check if your vehicle may require the updated head or just the head gasket. And after the update the vehicle will be just fine. Better even.
Great info and presentation. Subbed.
Well done mate loads of helpful info
Just moved on from a Mark 1 Ford Focus Estate. Proper old school work horse of a car. Bought it at 14k miles 16 years ago and finished up trading it in at 193,391 miles yesterday. There was still a little value in it on trade in. Had a few issues with it over the years but nothing out of the ordinary. Did not have to put a new clutch in until 165k miles (mechanic said it was on nubs, he had never seen anything like it) and 140k for the exhaust. Maybe such a large corporate with so many sub level managers shaving costs to try and prove themselves to the eyes above to squeak themselves up the ladder has degenerated the brand as you are spouting here but the originals were proper solid. I reckon it is going to be hard for any modern Ford to beat those kind of longevity stats. Now moved on to a Mazda 3.0 2.0 Liter Sports. I think I have more than earned it!
When the smokes coming out the exhaust.. “I’m actually kinda hungry” 😂 weed joke ?
Great informative content👍. Don’t own an rs but subscribed.
Great detailed vid, just subbed.
Thanks for your video !
I was going to buy an RS but lucky I didn't. They really should have put legs at the top of those cylinders.. especially because the head gasket covers the openings anyway with only holes for the coolant to travel through so having legs to support it wouldn't slow coolant flow in any way IMO.
This happen to my sons 2017 Focus ST ecoboost 2.0 @ 37,237 miles. Dealership denied to repair head gasket due to car having a “Catch Can” installed. Which is considered an aftermarket update. Catch Can was installed by previous owner. We didn’t even notice catch can during purchase of vehicle. My son & I purchased a brand new updated engine and swapped it out for a cost of $4,700. When we turn in engine core. We’ll get $1,000 back. So a total cost of $3,800 including oil, coolant and so on. Plus a long weekend.
Awesome video and this is good to know. I almost bought an RS but now glad I didn't.
Ford has come a long way but I'm disappointed that this open deck design made its way into an otherwise fantastic car. If you're going to build any kind of performance car you HAVE to overengineer certain stress points in the drivetrain and the bean counters need to stay the hell out of it. Who know for sure why this happened in the case of the RS but hopefully Ford has learned a lesson. Utilizing a better design would not have increased costs by that much and has been done in the past. The 4G63 is one example.
Here's to hoping Ford will get their heads out of their rears.
I have mine wirh 93k miles and zero issues , they just needed to fix the head gasket and thats it . im a professional drifting now eitht my rs after 3 years
Newbie first video of yours subbed good job very informative
Great vid, will be sharing with my brother who is currently starting his search for his RS. Also, ironic, the mid video ad, was a Ford ad stating, reliable this, and that. lol hilarious... (Ford fan here too)
Thanks for the info,👍
This is gold! Loved the intro.
Great video. I would love to see you do a video and get your thoughts on the Mercedes m156 engine head bolt issue.
Its coming.
Alex
LegitStreetCars That's awesome. You're E55 is killer btw
This is an awesome video! Thank you so much for this key info on the RS reliability. Looks like the RS is a good candidate for engine swap, any info on people doing this? If so, what engine they used? I know pretty sorry thing to have to do for car that’s only couple years old!!
All issues were fixed with the focus RS under ford recall. this guy from this channel has alot of hate with ford because a previous bad experience he had with a different vehicle. Even he erases all legit positive comments from legit owners whose all we know there ir no issues with the RS. its an abuse resistant vehicle after recall was done .
Neat! you filmed this right next to my gym and the dealership I bought my mustang GT
Thus, the reason why I just got a Honda Accord V6 6-speed manual updated with a Tein suspension, Advan RZ-II rims, and Brembo Big Brake Kit. It's reasonable fast and my car won't break.
Oh really? let me drive the car.
We had a 2008 Honda Accord and it was a piece of junk (had at least 6 factory recalls). The rear and front end, the key locks and door locks , alternator, power stearing, brakes, and so much more all went bad.
@@harrygaul4475 that's kinda hard to believe we got a 07 Accord 150k miles and the only problem it's given us is the starter need to be changed
ErwinSchrodinger64 .....lol. So many cars out there. Hondas in your world are the best choice? I bet chocolate ice cream is useless because "vanilla" is the only choice anyone will ever need in life..at some point in your life buy a fucking car that stirs your soul. When you do take your fucking accord and roll it off a high cliff while its on fire..
Easy fix, just put gasoline into the cooling system.
Just put petrol on the entire car. FIFY.
@@wf6951 😂😂😂😂😂👍 better buy a Civic Typ r and this car will be running forever without any Probs😎
Gas in the coolant and run a 100 dry shot of nitrous.
Lol! This comment! A few years back when I was stationed in Turkey, a Humvee I was driving was low on coolant, I go to the storage spot where we keep extra coolant and fuel. Some dumb ass mislabeled the coolant can and I end up putting disel in the coolant 🙃
@@tonygant2448 How'd you like those Turks? Sketchy bunch, no? It's not racist if it's true lol. There are only two nations on this Earth that I despise. Turkey is one of them, and me being Canadian and all, I think you can guess the second one lol.
I almost picked up a RS.... but I ended up purchasing a almost brand new C7 Z06. Very happy with my purchase... sorry to hear about some issues with the RS...
nice well done ... can you do a video about the rs5 ? there is a lot of videos in the web but nobody talk's about it's issues and common problems ... i can only assume that is a very reliable engine .
i'm going to purchase one audi rs5 in a near future and it would help to be prepare ... thanks
hey man thanks for doing the research and sharing with us. its so sad that the RS engine is poorly designed
Subscribed great video! Please review Subaru sti blown Ringlands
Same thing happened to my gf's 2.0 escape 2017 ecoboost, 30 k miles. It is at the dealer now having the engine replaced.. This ecoboost is bad news, it is a lemon.. her car started losing coolant and stinky gases were venting out of the coolant cap as the head gasket was leaking. That escape is a suv, was always dealer serviced, never towed or pushed hard, never tuned, driven by a girl and still blew..
Friend of mine had the same back in 2017, Ford dealer blamed it on the fact he took it to the track once (Nurnburgring), it took 2 months to get it fixed after heated debates and his lawyer eventually intervened.
Great info 👌🏻
I am a RS owner and I appreciate this video. I hope more people can see this so the word spreads like the California wild fires.
Thanks Kyle. I'm with you. Some (very few) get offended by pointing out an issue. I don't own an RS but if I did I'd want Ford to notice we all know whats up. And they have since they should be issuing a repair soon. Hope you love your car, I know after making this video that they are awesome. I totally want one now, haha. As soon as Ford fixes them of course.
Alex
Is it worth buying? I'm getting 1 this weekend. Now I'm hesitant
@@spidyduzit did you ever pick it up
@@XspeakerXforXmarsX yes I did. Dont regret it at all. Never had a problem so far!
I am also a Focus RS owner and my car has done 25,000 miles and still looks, sounds and goes like a brand new one. Absolutely no problems. And yes - I do occasionally drive it like it was meant to be driven - like a hooligan.
The 1.9 liter engine that was in the Ford Escort was awesomely dependable (owned several of those cars) and it became the 2.0 liter engine that's in my 2001 Ford Escort and the Ford Focus. We got the extended warranty with our 2015 Ford Focus Titanium, and it has the 2.0 liter engine.
Man am I glad I didn't run out and get one of these. I really considered it! I have a Mazdaspeed 3 and this was the logical next step for me. Guess the Civic type R is still a possibility but I should probably wait till the problems are sussed out before really considering it also...
MyBallsUrJaws it’s already fixed man. Had the wrong head gasket from the mustang. I know lots of people who have both. RS is awesome. Go get one.
Check out a golf r for consideration too, they offer manual in the US now. Apr tuning renders monsters out of the audi/vw platforms
I bought a civic. Way better car than the golf. About the same at the straight line, but in corners its a totaly different monster!! + the golf is fuckin boring to loock at.
Good job. Keep up the good content. subbed.
Nice video. Do a video on the GM ls7/ls9 valve guide/valve drop problem. A lot of destroyed Ls7 Corvette and Camaro engines out there.
Craig Ream Totally going to do that
Still the most reliable engine
David- Yes. The LS series, as a whole, is extremely reliable. But the ls7 (and possibly ls9) heads are considered time bombs by many owners.
The Ls7 suffers more
@David Stevenson Not for hard track use without numerous mods.
Hi!
I don't own a Focus RS, although that's probably what I'd really love to put on track, but I own a 2015 Facelift Ford Focus MK3 1.0L 125hp Ecoboost and although it only has 36000kms on which I had a lot of fun driving it at over 215km/h (the car also carried some vacation stuff, so it wasn't empty). Now, I've only later noticed that at every 1000-1500kms I must re-add oil coolant as it goes below minimum. I admit that I this oil coolant depletion rate has greatly increased after driving it twice at that top speed for quite some good minutes, so probably my head gasket is somewhat burnt here and there now too! After 9000km since I've change the oil (Castrol 5W-20), I've spent about 70$ for some oil physical and chemical analysis in an advanced laboratory by shipping them about 100ml of oil drained from the sump and 100ml of brand new oil. I did this for myself just to see if everything's alright with the engine as I'm about to replace the oil anywy. Now, the laboratory has done a lot of tests and came up with interesting results by comparing the good and bad between the worn out oil and the same brand new oil. The results prove a very low wearing material (iron and aluminum) concentration in this 9000+kms used oil. For example, on the new oil, the iron concentration is 1ppm while on the worn one is 15ppm and 6ppm for aluminum (this, I was told it proves that the engine is in a good condition). But, later down the list of compared result, I found water which has a great percentage compared to the limits. The new oil has about 0.001% water, and the worn oil has somehow managed to get filled to about 0.24% water. The oil analyst also warned me that the water level in my oil is above the corrosion limits. Somehow though, the analysis shows that there's no glycol concentration at all (0 for the new oil as well as 0 in the worn out oil). As far as I know, all of the car engine coolants use glycol, but I only seem to get water in oil circuit, but no glycol at all, so that's a bit weird, but the fact that at every 1500kms I find the coolant below minimum again, leads me to understand that somehow only the distilled water from the coolant mixture gets through the gasket into the oil, while the glycol somehow doesn't. No problem I guess then, I'll do 2 things in this situation to somehow reduce the transition of water (if any at all) from the coolant into the oil:
1. Untighten the coolant cap until it will no long seal the coolant reservoir in order to not let pressure build up in the cooling system and discourage the water to be "squeezed" into the oil.
2. Drain all of the coolant system and use just 100% antifreezing coolant with 0% distilled water. Yes, the antifreeze only has a lower heat transfer potential than the water, but how much? When the water starts boiling near 100Celsius, that boiling water doesn't transfer heat anymore and will lead to overheat, but a non-boiling antifreeze only will still cool the engine tens of times better than the boiling water. This MK3 of mine seems to keep the coolant at an optimum temperature of 98Celsius. 98...! So even at idle, the water is already bubbling badly. A 100% antifreeze might save me some time before actually replacing the cylinder head gasket.
Cheers!
There's a company here in the UK Called BD Performance doing a RS 5 Pot swap into the MK 3.5 RS. I cant wait till its finished. It was a fantastic engine and it was used in the Focus's swanky Swedish cousin, the V40 T5R. It absolutely belonged in the New RS. If I had the money, that would be my daily,
410K views in a week. Good job,Alex!!
You should do a video about the rod bearing issues in S65 and S85 engines. Manufacturer defect? Just plain false? User error?
Well done! Too bad Ford was unwilling to spend the money and engineer a better fix than to kill off the car. Makes me appreciate Honda and Hyundai even more for actually not just keeping their hot hatches alive but for actually engineering them to last and backing them up with some great warranties. Still LOVING my Type R!
Yup
Got my recall this week 2019
Very descriptive video. Good job!
Thank you. Good video Sir. The main problem is post warranty coverage? Those design flaws are Inherent. Those fixes aren't going give you a reliable vehicle for the long term! I like them but if I spend 40grand it won't be for one of these! Type R or WRX!
This is a big concern I have with the current trend to displace larger engines with tiny turbo engines V6 suvs have become 2L turbos, 2 liter ecoboxes gave becine 1.4 liter turbos. At 123 hp the 1 liter ecoboost is well stretched for that tiny engine and I don't think something you will want to live with when the warranty is gone. The future is dim for the used vehicle market, it's all by design and that's right where they want us. I was a dealer mechanic for 20 years and a warranty manager for nearly 10.
My buddies Dad did cycle testing on this engine in 2015 and told us it had some serious head gasket issues. At the time, he believed it had to do with how they tuned it... Apparently not.
I bet it wasn't engineers fault, pretty sure it was some managements stupid decision
Great video! It is cool to see stuff like that. I wish I these things would be pre checked by the companys.I had a lot of problems with my subaru sti 2.5L. The 2.5L has a lot of problems and they keep building it. Subaru should know this and do something on the engine.You have to do a lot of stuff by your own to prolong the life of your subaru engine.This could be also an interesting video for you to make.
Thanks formthe good conten and best regards from germany
Ford cars are shit. My dad owned a 06 focus svt and it blew the motor at 130k miles stock. Similar issue just happened to my brothers 06 explorer a couple weeks ago at 160k miles. My 07 Cadillac CTS is running good at 190k and I push that thing hard. Never had a problem with a honda or a chevy. Chevy 350 small block is probably one of the best motors out there.
A good tune will help it, as well as an equal length header.
STI_fan subarus aka do you even ringland?
STI_fan well that's kinda what you get for putting highlighter on your rims
Brandon Sinclair I like colours on cars, doesn´t matter on what car ;-)
This is from the same company that KNEW of the deadly flaw of the Pinto’s gas tank, weighed the costs of redesigning before release vs fixing them as the problem came out, and took the gamble of just selling the car as-is.
This reminds me of when I first financed my Ford Mustang GT Grabber Blue Premium in 2015. It only had approx 21K miles and was "Ford Certified". The dealer kept telling me that meant it had been inspected to being near a new car. Anyway, after only a little over a month, the car wouldn't move in reverse. The shift knob would catch and the reverse lights would go one, but the car wouldn't move. Luckily for me, it was at the tail end of still being under the bumper to bumper warranty. But I still had to pay for a rent a car. They had my car for 2 weeks so it cost me some bucks. There's a crappy walk around video I made under my old channel "p4horror mustang" and you can see how brand spanking new it looked. I never raced it, in fact I don't believe in beating up my cars. I ended up paying a chunk of the loan off and sold it to another dealership approx a year later with only 24K miles and some change. I currently have a 2015 Honda Civic Si with 25K miles that I love intensely. I just don't trust Ford anymore by my experience and with all these videos of other owners having issues. Absolutely unacceptable. Why would anyone want to roll the dice with their hard-earned money and run the risk of dealing with stress, financial burden, and inconvenience? We all need our cars and it seems like Ford doesn't take this too seriously with their product brand.
Make a 350hp 4-banger.....then you can blame EVERYTHING on driver abuse.
Actually my friend abused the f out of his inline 4 d17a1 in his Honda civic yes it burned oil but it never stopped running. I see newer fords on the road waiting for tow trucks. Hell I rather own a chevy before a own I ford.
pretty much, beating the shit out of it.
Let me get this right. You sell a product and if you use this product to it’s fullest and it breaks it’s the the consumers fault? That’s sounds like ford logic. As a matter of fact I think it’s Honda’s fault😂
Not been funny but look at current F1 Engines. 1.6 liter V6 that kicks out over 700BHP. Ford has won alot in this. Ford won the world rally championship in the fiesta which gets as much hate as the RS does and the Fiesta only has a 1.6 litre engine. So is it so hard to believe that the 2.3 litre 4 pot engine can crank out 350HP? Iv'e seen Fiestas doing close to that with their 1.6 litre engines when modified. With alot around the 300HP mark with no problems. 300+ usually have to go forged though.
It's people like you who have no clue about engines that post shit like you do.
Only reason why the Evos and WRX were such great cars to modify was because they was over engineered being popular rally cars.
Also the problem was they took the 2.3 litre engine from the mustang and tried re-using it only to realise when they tried to re use the mustang head gasket it didn't properly seal. So they made new gaskets which is what they fit on the recall. The same 2.3 litre Ecoboost engine which will be in the new Mustang also
Great video and I am glad I chose the CTR.
Actual assembly problems and costcutting weak training practices aside, the engine is an over-tuned Fusion or Focus engine, and as a German style safety practice, the heads and block were yanked to the line before a finish pass to insure the head gasket was the point of planned obscelesense, so you do not window the block or swiss a piston, you get it resurfaced, but not like glass, so the gasket has some grip, and you void the warranty, and get to bash fully on a car they do not have to cover, after oil mixes with coolant, somewhere and you find your next donor block in someone that waited a few years for the warranty to cover a wear item, and have fun again, because you really bought a racecar, and you're paying the pit crew, too.
Can you do one on the fiesta st please!!! I have a 2015 an i have a weird tin sound just curious!!! Thank you, also, great RS video
just came across your channel. Very cool
My 2015 EcoBoost Mustang has the same engine and it blew up at 4k miles. Had a few mods and my warranty was denied, had to pay out of pocket for a new engine. I highly recommend not tuning these motors, like he said in the video Ford is looking for reasons not to put a new engine in your car. Unless you can afford to buy a new motor don't believe what people say about key cycling and stuff to hide you had a tune.
Auto show and go
Ford sucks enough said. How about the 1.6L in the old Fusions having problems? To the Chinese made getrag in the Mustang? Ford loves to cut corners and deny warranty work on top of fixing their bullshit problems. Lets also not forget about their shitty dual clutch automatic which is prone to failure aswell. Ecoboost engine is a pile of shit with turbos prone to failing too.
ah yes, the shitty dual clutch auto that you had to basically floor from a stop to keep the clutches from slipping and overheating.
2011 F-150 3.5TT EcoBoost V6 here with 85k miles. 1st gen 3.5TT and been tuned since 20K on a 93oct performance tune @ 20lbs peak boost. Stock is 12lbs and made 305whp, 367wtq, Tuned put down 407whp, 536wtq on pump gas. Daily drive on my tune and known issue was Oil blow by collecting in the intercooler so I drilled a 1/16" weep hole in the lowest spot and watched the blow by spray out until dry. Fingers crossed I make it to 100k :)
Just lovely that Ford discontinued the NA 3.7 for the eco :/
Devon Clancy they didn’t discontinue the N/A v6? They just came out with a new one. Look it up again bud.
I got a used Escort that missed when cold, pulled plugs and one had coolant. I flushed the cooling system, dumped in 3 bottles of stop leak and drove it for 10 years.
But point was --shouldn't of had to do that..
I have a 2017 Ford Focus not an RS just a sport model. It has had the exact same issue as this video! They are in the process of replacing the engine block, does that mean it will just happen again anyway?