Love your videos, its like going to school for free!Seriously, I recently bought a truck with a 60 series Detroit after spending the last 10 years running a 3406e Cat and I'm just not familiar with the Detroit and this is a great teaching resource for me..Thank you!..keep em coming
A little bit of knowledge and some good old fashioned elbow grease is usually all it takes with these things but with all of the electronic junk on them makes it a little difficult sometimes. In this case it worked out great. You should have let the video show the fan kicking in at the end of the video. Love your videos! Keep up the great work and stay safe out there!
Enjoyed the video. With mechanics charging as if they were doctors now a days it’s essential to work on your own tractor. Admire your grit and hard work. Keep trucking old man.
Its unreal how much HP it take to fight that fan. Had one go bad in 1986. And had to drive it 200 miles. It was a fight until I got to the cumming shop in Effingham IL around 11pm that night. Watched this right after you posted it. But may have to do the same thing on a 1997 W900L.
thank you so much Sir, for your video, so very helpful, I just did what you showed and got mine working again, I thank God He lead me to your video, God bless you always
I'm just an amateur tinkerer, but i just wanted to say i'm impressed at your level of patience and mechanical know-how. Enjoyed the video, excellent work, sir! Have a great day!
Thanks for the excellent video as it gives me the knowledge of how to do this if I ever need to and gives me visualization of how the fan clutch operates.
It’s a good thing that you took the time to see how the clutch worked. You saved yourself a boat load of money. That’s good business. This is a good lesson.
Glad you got your fan clutch working with a little clean up and grease. I had to put new bearings and seals on mine. FYI, I don't know if you have one on your truck, but I have a filter mounted on my firewall. Follow your air line from your fan clutch up to the firewall. There should be a solenoid there with a silver cup that has a brass drain on the bottom. It's for draining moisture. Inside is a small filter about the size of a thread spool. I have to occasionally take mine out and clean it. It gets plugged with oil and debris from the compressor. Horton 994002 is what I have if you want to look at the picture.
Hey I have just recently came across your videos, I have learned a few things by watching your videos. You are a very smart man! Thanks for having clean videos without all that filthy talk, I don't know what's wrong with these people that seem to think they can't talk without using profanity. I hope things get better for you soon financially. Good luck to you keep on trucking and may the good Lord bless you!
$2,500.00 in savings man what a blessing all because Mr.Jay isn't afraid of work. People praise these new trucks try turning a wrench on a new truck in your yard good luck with that lol. Give me a old truck any day verses a new truck.
Nice video. With my truck turned off, I put the key in Run and you can hear a hissing coming, from the that hub you took off.from the body. ( Oh and the engine fan LIGHT is on, with or without the fan switch ON. ) With the truck on, if I turn the fan switch on. It does nothing??? Could it be the solenoid? Thanks for the video.
I sold it, but told the guy who bought it it was leaking, I'm like you had no garage. did my work where I had it parked in a storage lot they frowned upon wrenching there. I'm dreaming of a heated garage, lol
Gordon, you da man. Bought a truck with a froze up fan clutch on a series 60. Got the thung unlocked and it works good, but a cleaning just might be in order. This definitely helps and might save me some trouble on the road. Good stuff, sir.
Just re-watched this video (first saw it when you posted it). First off, I must ask you if your own "rebuild" is still functioning, and secondly, if you ever do decide to do a rebuild with a kit, how much (if you remember) was the kit expected to be? I've dealt with some fan clutch issues, one of which turned out to be an electric-over-air issue. Turned out to be the hot power wire to the solenoid had rubbed thru and was grounding on the engine. That cost me a lot of fuel "airplaning" around until I could get to the dealer. I've helped one of our mech's remove and replace a toasted fan clutch one day on another truck before leaving in my truck on a trip. He really only needed me to stand up top with the fan belt and dangle the new assembly in place while he could get 2 bolts started, and of course, on the front of a C-13, he managed to get them started into the wrong holes and had to re-do it after I had cleaned up and left, lol... I didn't stick around to see if he was going to do an autopsy on the old one, but I do remember him mentioning that it HAD to go back for the core, which was a lot of moolah if it didn't get returned. Thinking way back to some of my earlier trucks, I have good memories of viscous clutch fans... don't ever remember one of them giving trouble. Old FLC 112 with a 3306b.... old '83 Ford L9000 with a 6-71 (what a gutless waste of steel noisemaker those things were)... I even had an old International that had a shutter-stat, did you ever have to deal with those things? They worked alright, but the air cylinder only lasted for so long before it would give up, either with the shutters fully closed, or wide open. It would only fail in the wrong position according to the season, i.e. wide open in the winter when you needed heat, or fully closed in the summer when you needed air to flow through. Ahhhh, progress is a great thing, isn't it ?
The repair is still good, I don't remember how much the kit cost but I think something like $200 or $300 I do remember learning about the shutters and the viscous fans in school as well as those old motors like the 2 cycle Detroits. but I never had one. Sorry about getting back to you late, I'm driving a lot these last couple of weeks and I'm trying to get my taxes in order for the tax man to file. I'll get back to normal after I get that done.
I have the same engine in my truck, also temporarily I’m driving someone’s else’s truck with the same engine, the air line to the fan was leaking and when I changed it I noticed it was opposite of most fans, the fan would stay off until it got air I found it vary strange
My fan clutch is free spinning when the truck is off and it’s barely spinning when the truck is running, I think that little spin it has is from the that axel that goes into it from the engine side. Any idea why it would be free spinning? It’s air operated and I bypassed the solenoid to make sure it’s getting air.. thanks
The fan clutch is spring applied and air released, if you have an air line failure while driving it will lock up the fan clutch as a fail safe to keep the fan on. If the fan is free with no air to it then the piston in the clutch might be seized.
that where alot of air leaks happen, you've broken out your soapy water and chased them all down but still losing air try the clutch fan that's what happened to me.
thanks for mentioning hairline cracks.. I would like to ask you a question ?? on the primary filter with a rubber press pump, is that aftermarket?? I don't have that on my 3116... I don't think I have a primer pump on my engine ?? Next comment: There is a larger fuel line with a bracket along with two bolts that hold it to the top most fwd area of cylinder head... just forward of that point is the engine removal piece that has a large hole a chain will fit for lifting...fwd of that is the heavy bracket held by six bolts that supports fan clutch and fan assembly.... My thinking along with you're pointing out a hairline fracture might exist..?? the area of the right bolt ( 1 of 2 Looking from front of eng..) that secure the return fuel line flange to the cylinder head.... So happens that the top right bolt Of the bracket supporting fan and Clutch bracket taps and threads into the same vacinity of cylinder head.....very close!!!! Might be a weak spot?? Maybe you could share with me what I
I’m ab to jump on doing my fan today. I’m thinking I’ve got a bearing gone too. It locked up on me the other morning and belts went to squealing like crazy and ended up popping belts. I can move fan ab half a turn with no belts on and it feels like it locks up and binds. I’ve been needing to do clutch for months bc it quit working and fan stayed on all the time like yours was doing, but pretty sure I got to replace bearings too. I think my clutch issue is going to be pretty simple like this one was, bc when it rains I see air bubbling all around my braided air line and I’m thinking it’s not getting enough pressure to release clutch. Maybe 🤔 Thanks for taking time to do your video explaining
i''ll watch but I sure feel for ya buddy ,I see places on line that sell parts for them I don't know if you can save any money that way or not Seems like when you buy a rebuilt they only put in the parts that are bad anyway
I bought a rebuilt alternator from Freightliner as a spare that sat under my bunk for about a year and a half and then I needed to change the alt. belt so when I did that I dug out the spare alt. and put it on and saved the old one for a spare, but forgot to put it in the truck, I left it in my shop, 1 week later it went bad at night about 150 miles away, so I couldn't drive without lights on the batteries, I called my boss to bring me a loaner alt. to put on so I could finish the run, so after that I don't trust very many rebuilds unless I do it or I know who did. Now my spare is one of my rebuilds, and I do save a lot of money doing my own.
I got a leaky air line the fan moves freely with key on and air in. air out fan won’t move freely. hopefully it’s just the air line. And all I gotta do is tighten it up or replace the air line wishful thinking. ?
Sounds like it is working properly, just find the leak and fix that and you're done. Here's a link to how I find leaks that I can't get to with soapy water spray. czcams.com/video/d4HxSYw82yo/video.html
the fan will run if it does not have enough air pressure to shut it off, when your air is up and the fan is still running it could be a high pressure switch on the air conditioning is bad or not plugged in good or a engine temperature switch. You can test the fan clutch the way I did on the table, just disconnect the air line and apply shop air to the air line or the fitting to the clutch to see if it releases the clutch. Thanks for watching.
I can't say without seeing your setup. If you're getting howling or grinding noises then you're in trouble. Take a piece of hose a couple feet long and put one end in your ear and poke the other end around the area of the bearings to hear the sound better and where it's coming from.
build air turn truck off turn key back on but dont start it tap hub on edge and it should open mine sticks every time truck sits a few days that price u said for a replacement would be for the whole assembly not just the clutch and there are rebuild kits that are only couple hundred dollers but i remember i ruined one pounding a bearing out without removing a hidden lock ring so look real close before pounding the bearings out there is a locking ring in there holding the bearings in the pully part. czcams.com/video/18q_lGYMHYg/video.html
I'd be happy to purchase the rebuild kit for you. Least I could do for all you have taught us
Thats where being mechanically inclined helps alot, to figure all of that out!!!! Well done bud, stay safe out there and keep all 18 on the road!!
Thank You Sir.
You are the man trucker! Rebuilt stuff yourself! Thanks for the video! Keep it coming! You helping alot of truckers.
Love your videos, its like going to school for free!Seriously, I recently bought a truck with a 60 series Detroit after spending the last 10 years running a 3406e Cat and I'm just not familiar with the Detroit and this is a great teaching resource for me..Thank you!..keep em coming
A little bit of knowledge and some good old fashioned elbow grease is usually all it takes with these things but with all of the electronic junk on them makes it a little difficult sometimes. In this case it worked out great. You should have let the video show the fan kicking in at the end of the video. Love your videos! Keep up the great work and stay safe out there!
Enjoyed the video. With mechanics charging as if they were doctors now a days it’s essential to work on your own tractor. Admire your grit and hard work. Keep trucking old man.
Its unreal how much HP it take to fight that fan. Had one go bad in 1986. And had to drive it 200 miles. It was a fight until I got to the cumming shop in Effingham IL around 11pm that night.
Watched this right after you posted it. But may have to do the same thing on a 1997 W900L.
thank you so much Sir, for your video, so very helpful, I just did what you showed and got mine working again, I thank God He lead me to your video, God bless you always
Glad to hear it helped. Thanks for watching.
GOD BLESS you. You're videos helped me out alot. Thanks
I'm just an amateur tinkerer, but i just wanted to say i'm impressed at your level of patience and mechanical know-how. Enjoyed the video, excellent work, sir! Have a great day!
Thank you Sir.
That was a good job Mr Gordon, you are are great at teaching your work while learning yourself.
Thanks for the excellent video as it gives me the knowledge of how to do this if I ever need to and gives me visualization of how the fan clutch operates.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ayye big thanks i changed my whole clutch assembly in like less than 1 hour
It’s a good thing that you took the time to see how the clutch worked. You saved yourself a boat load of money. That’s good business. This is a good lesson.
thanks for watching.
Gordon you worked that fan clutch over dam good,when a guy has time he can work over dam near any thing .Well done my friend. sam
Thanks Sam.
Glad you got your fan clutch working with a little clean up and grease. I had to put new bearings and seals on mine. FYI, I don't know if you have one on your truck, but I have a filter mounted on my firewall. Follow your air line from your fan clutch up to the firewall. There should be a solenoid there with a silver cup that has a brass drain on the bottom. It's for draining moisture. Inside is a small filter about the size of a thread spool. I have to occasionally take mine out and clean it. It gets plugged with oil and debris from the compressor. Horton 994002 is what I have if you want to look at the picture.
Thanks for commenting.
Great video, Gordon. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching.
Hey I have just recently came across your videos, I have learned a few things by watching your videos. You are a very smart man! Thanks for having clean videos without all that filthy talk, I don't know what's wrong with these people that seem to think they can't talk without using profanity. I hope things get better for you soon financially. Good luck to you keep on trucking and may the good Lord bless you!
$2,500.00 in savings man what a blessing all because Mr.Jay isn't afraid of work. People praise these new trucks try turning a wrench on a new truck in your yard good luck with that lol. Give me a old truck any day verses a new truck.
Thank you Sir.
I like to see your videos, and just like me you try to save a penny always
Awesome job your a very wise man. Engineer qualities
Nice video.
With my truck turned off, I put the key in Run and you can hear a hissing coming, from the that hub you took off.from the body. ( Oh and the engine fan LIGHT is on, with or without the fan switch ON. )
With the truck on, if I turn the fan switch on. It does nothing???
Could it be the solenoid?
Thanks for the video.
U R THE MAN THANK YOU
Good old boy gether done !!
Really cool mechanism. I've not seen something like that before. Thanks
Thanks for watching.
Good video. Learn a lot from understanding how something works.
Thank You Sir.
I sold it, but told the guy who bought it it was leaking, I'm like you had no garage. did my work where I had it parked in a storage lot they frowned upon wrenching there. I'm dreaming of a heated garage, lol
I have a heated garage but the truck won't go in, I guess you know that from the videos.
i know . and i thank you so much. for try helping me out.sir
You did the best , without a rebuilt kit.great trouble shooting.
Thank you Sir.
Gordon, you da man. Bought a truck with a froze up fan clutch on a series 60. Got the thung unlocked and it works good, but a cleaning just might be in order. This definitely helps and might save me some trouble on the road. Good stuff, sir.
Thank You Sir.
That air actuated piston being siezed if definitely where you're problem was asking with the torn oring leaking down your air pressure
Just re-watched this video (first saw it when you posted it). First off, I must ask you if your own "rebuild" is still functioning, and secondly, if you ever do decide to do a rebuild with a kit, how much (if you remember) was the kit expected to be? I've dealt with some fan clutch issues, one of which turned out to be an electric-over-air issue. Turned out to be the hot power wire to the solenoid had rubbed thru and was grounding on the engine. That cost me a lot of fuel "airplaning" around until I could get to the dealer. I've helped one of our mech's remove and replace a toasted fan clutch one day on another truck before leaving in my truck on a trip. He really only needed me to stand up top with the fan belt and dangle the new assembly in place while he could get 2 bolts started, and of course, on the front of a C-13, he managed to get them started into the wrong holes and had to re-do it after I had cleaned up and left, lol... I didn't stick around to see if he was going to do an autopsy on the old one, but I do remember him mentioning that it HAD to go back for the core, which was a lot of moolah if it didn't get returned. Thinking way back to some of my earlier trucks, I have good memories of viscous clutch fans... don't ever remember one of them giving trouble. Old FLC 112 with a 3306b.... old '83 Ford L9000 with a 6-71 (what a gutless waste of steel noisemaker those things were)... I even had an old International that had a shutter-stat, did you ever have to deal with those things? They worked alright, but the air cylinder only lasted for so long before it would give up, either with the shutters fully closed, or wide open. It would only fail in the wrong position according to the season, i.e. wide open in the winter when you needed heat, or fully closed in the summer when you needed air to flow through. Ahhhh, progress is a great thing, isn't it ?
The repair is still good, I don't remember how much the kit cost but I think something like $200 or $300 I do remember learning about the shutters and the viscous fans in school as well as those old motors like the 2 cycle Detroits. but I never had one. Sorry about getting back to you late, I'm driving a lot these last couple of weeks and I'm trying to get my taxes in order for the tax man to file. I'll get back to normal after I get that done.
Great video sir-- I need to rebuild mine, it leaks air.
I am glad it was nothing serious like the ecm, rust strikes again!
Yep just dirty, I will be getting that kit to do it again with the new seals and bearings some time after the weather clears up.
Great job
Thank you bro Myke for commenting. I hope my videos help you.
Great love the videos
Thank you sir.
Those things are 1200$ now in 2024 & 500$ for orings rebuild kits
Whew! well done!
Thank you Sir, and thanks for subbing.
Thank you
Thank you Sir.
Probably could have just spray it with penetrating oil and hit it a bit. Spray it in hose line also
I have the same engine in my truck, also temporarily I’m driving someone’s else’s truck with the same engine, the air line to the fan was leaking and when I changed it I noticed it was opposite of most fans, the fan would stay off until it got air I found it vary strange
Damn Gordon ....seems like one thing after another....with that FreightLiner....?
That fan clutch is 20 years old, I'm glad it happened while I'm at home fixing other things and not missing work.
Amen to that!
Awesome videos sr 👍👍👍👍
My fan clutch is free spinning when the truck is off and it’s barely spinning when the truck is running, I think that little spin it has is from the that axel that goes into it from the engine side. Any idea why it would be free spinning? It’s air operated and I bypassed the solenoid to make sure it’s getting air.. thanks
The fan clutch is spring applied and air released, if you have an air line failure while driving it will lock up the fan clutch as a fail safe to keep the fan on.
If the fan is free with no air to it then the piston in the clutch might be seized.
that where alot of air leaks happen, you've broken out your soapy water and chased them all down but still losing air try the clutch fan that's what happened to me.
did you change it? or put in a kit?
Cheap easy fix - major difference - little grease makes all the difference
thanks for mentioning hairline cracks..
I would like to ask you a question ?? on the primary filter with a rubber press pump, is that aftermarket?? I don't have that on my 3116... I don't think I have a primer pump on my engine ??
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There is a larger fuel line with a bracket along with two bolts that hold it to the top most fwd area of cylinder head... just forward of that point is the engine removal piece that has a large hole a chain will fit for lifting...fwd of that is the heavy bracket held by six bolts that supports fan clutch and fan assembly....
My thinking along with you're pointing out a hairline fracture might exist..?? the area of the right bolt ( 1 of 2
Looking from front of eng..) that secure the return fuel line flange to the cylinder head....
So happens that the top right bolt
Of the bracket supporting fan and
Clutch bracket taps and threads into the same vacinity of cylinder head.....very close!!!! Might be a weak spot??
Maybe you could share with me what I
What was in the Pittsburgh box?
Ok, I'm guilty, I bought an outdoor tape measure from H.F. and saved a bundle. You know how hard on tools help can be.
I’m ab to jump on doing my fan today. I’m thinking I’ve got a bearing gone too. It locked up on me the other morning and belts went to squealing like crazy and ended up popping belts. I can move fan ab half a turn with no belts on and it feels like it locks up and binds. I’ve been needing to do clutch for months bc it quit working and fan stayed on all the time like yours was doing, but pretty sure I got to replace bearings too. I think my clutch issue is going to be pretty simple like this one was, bc when it rains I see air bubbling all around my braided air line and I’m thinking it’s not getting enough pressure to release clutch. Maybe 🤔
Thanks for taking time to do your video explaining
I wish you luck with that sir. Thanks for watching.
@@57bagre thank you sir
Good shit Gordon
Thank you Sir.
That a Boy Uncle Gordon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT HAPPENS IF ITS WELDED AND ALWAYS ENGAGED IM HAVING OVER HEATING PROBLEMS AMD ALREDDY CHANGED THE WATER PUMP RADIATOR AND THERMOSTAT
yes its the same ur.only different is the belt .you have more belt then mine..i have one belt.
I think your clutch lining is worn and the bolts are suppose to grab the backside to give you a fan no matter so you don’t over heat
Well done some common sense and some elbow grease will fix a myriad of problems.
That's right.
Good job Gordon , what are you going to break for us next week lol.
I'm trying to work in a starter and an alternator.
lets hope not lol
They're already broken, you don't want to watch me fix them?
i''ll watch but I sure feel for ya buddy ,I see places on line that sell parts for them I don't know if you can save any money that way or not Seems like when you buy a rebuilt they only put in the parts that are bad anyway
I bought a rebuilt alternator from Freightliner as a spare that sat under my bunk for about a year and a half and then I needed to change the alt. belt so when I did that I dug out the spare alt. and put it on and saved the old one for a spare, but forgot to put it in the truck, I left it in my shop, 1 week later it went bad at night about 150 miles away, so I couldn't drive without lights on the batteries, I called my boss to bring me a loaner alt. to put on so I could finish the run, so after that I don't trust very many rebuilds unless I do it or I know who did. Now my spare is one of my rebuilds, and I do save a lot of money doing my own.
That a Boy my main man Gordon
Excellent sir
Thanks Larry
Is the fan clutch still working for you?
Yes it is still doing fine. Thanks for watching.
I got a leaky air line the fan moves freely with key on and air in. air out fan won’t move freely. hopefully it’s just the air line. And all I gotta do is tighten it up or replace the air line wishful thinking. ?
Sounds like it is working properly, just find the leak and fix that and you're done. Here's a link to how I find leaks that I can't get to with soapy water spray. czcams.com/video/d4HxSYw82yo/video.html
saved 2500 bucks!
Fuck yeah Gordo!
What brand of fan clutch was that?
Bendix, Thanks for watching.
Where did you buy the parts?
I didn't buy any parts for this job, I reused everything except 1 o-ring that I found in my junk.
Do your own repairs and save an assload of money on top of everything; kudos, Gordon! ;-)
Thanks Chris for watching and commenting on all the videos.
And a good cleaning
when you start truck up . the fan should be running on or off ? because my truck the fan is on running never stop.
the fan will run if it does not have enough air pressure to shut it off, when your air is up and the fan is still running it could be a high pressure switch on the air conditioning is bad or not plugged in good or a engine temperature switch. You can test the fan clutch the way I did on the table, just disconnect the air line and apply shop air to the air line or the fitting to the clutch to see if it releases the clutch. Thanks for watching.
Gordon Robertson when i put air line going to fan clutch. i hear the air line coming out from fan clutch.🤔 you think fan clutch is bad?
air should not leak from the clutch, if too much air leaks, the clutch will not open.
Gordon Robertson leaking pretty bad .i think clutch is bad . not cheap to buy one.
do you have tools? can you repair your clutch? www.kit-masters.com/
How much play is acceptable in the bearing, the outside fan moves more than a 1/4 inch...
I can't say without seeing your setup. If you're getting howling or grinding noises then you're in trouble. Take a piece of hose a couple feet long and put one end in your ear and poke the other end around the area of the bearings to hear the sound better and where it's coming from.
Owner op
i ready take out from truck. only thing try to figure out . how to take the fan out from clutch..or maybe got rusty . stick together with clutch.☺
you should have taken the fan off when the clutch was still mounted, maybe put it back on with 2 bolts then do what I did on mine to get it off.
Gordon Robertson the bolts keep spinning when try to take out . when was connect to the belt and clutch. so i take the whole thing out.
I don't know what to say, I need to be there to see it, you can make video and upload to youtube and send a link to me here.
i take all bolt out from the Fan . but i can not take the fan out from clutch. not sure what i do next☺
If it looks the same as mine then do what I did on my video. I don't know what to do with yours if it's different without seeing it.
That a Boy Gordon
build air turn truck off turn key back on but dont start it tap hub on edge and it should open mine sticks every time truck sits a few days that price u said for a replacement would be for the whole assembly not just the clutch and there are rebuild kits that are only couple hundred dollers but i remember i ruined one pounding a bearing out without removing a hidden lock ring so look real close before pounding the bearings out there is a locking ring in there holding the bearings in the pully part. czcams.com/video/18q_lGYMHYg/video.html
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WD 40 fix most stuff..