Is this Biased Based Profiling?
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To end racism, stop talking about it . - Morgan Freeman
Amen! I don’t give two figs if you’re white, black, purple or green let alone a male or female. Cut the malarkey! It’s your character I’m interested in and if someone is a nasty piece of rubbish, I want nothing to do with them. Not rocket science 🤦♀️
Did Morgan Freeman really say that? If so, that is the dumbest thing I have heard in a very long time
@@hopeliveshere1121 Not dumb, just to hard for you to understand.
@@65cj55 it's very dumb. Only dense ppl think that quote is profound.
@@katodd2925 It's not just a ''qoute'', it's a fact, only the race hustlers like keeping racism alive..
I don't understand why cops even try to do their jobs anymore.
This is embarrassing for the Columbus Police Review board. I would be ashamed!
And the id10t mom who reported this should be ashamed of herself and be fined for frivolous reporting
Too bad the police can’t refuse to go to their house the next 15 times she calls them for help with her innocent boy.
They can’t refuse to go but they sure as hell can take their time!
They mock the legal system and justice
They understand it and its loophole s way more than the system itself.
I feel for police in these times especially. The youth are very disrespectful and brazen!
Facts
Because the parents raised them to have no respect for anyone (not even the parents) besides themselves. They have no boundaries. I quit working in schools because a child would steal or hit someone, and the parent would come to the classroom and yell at ME, while the child stood there and gloated and smirked at me.
That’s a text book example of an “interview”. No one is detained, no one feels detained, and the citizen is free to end the conversation at any point. This is literally taught in police academies.
Shocking the Civilian Review Board put into place to keep CPD accountable, is so shockingly crooked!! 💙💙💙
They were created to punish the police for enforcing the law.
I also hope the cop can sue
Amen
These people think that the moon is racist.....
How dare that officer be so nice. =)
"You can head home" "I'm not stopping you" "You can keep walking" "I haven't stopped you"
Next time you get a call from Mom, tell her you're not allowed to harass her son!!!🤷🤷And you've got to LOVE, people that have no idea what your job entails, couldn't do your job if their LIFE depended on it, are sitting in judgement of a single interaction.
This is the only correct response to her. She wants the police to come deal with him when he's actin a fool, but if they talk to him on their own they are 'harrassing' him. Put her number on call block.
I’m taking credit for the white hand 😂
go get ‘em, Officer Ben !!!
How nit picky they are. Can’t even have a conversation with anyone without being blamed for stupid stuff. Feel bad for that cop
Ben thank you standing up for what is right, and finding the truth, by facts. GO get em' Officer Ben I have your back. 😃
😂😂😂😂😂 what the hell was that definition of harassment, that was basically every encounter a police officer would have.
Why can't a police officer ask any given person their name? This world is horribly mentally doomed.
I agree but I think it's more a spiritual problem.
They can ASK they just have to accept that the person does not NEED TO LEGALLY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES...UNLESS "PC" is FIRST established...
@@crisnmaryfam7344
or … if it’s a stop and identify state …
or … if they are pulled over for a traffic stop
@@kinsley7777 According to the Ohio Bar Association, you legally have to divulge your _name, address, and date of birth_ when _detained_ by police in Ohio. They can't _detain_ you without RAS of a crime. So yes, _technically,_ PC is not required. RAS is required.
Traffic stop requires PC for a traffic infraction or RAS of any other offense to lawfully be initiated in the first place, but the ID requirement only applies to the driver unless the passengers specifically are suspected of a crime.
"Stop and identify" laws in every stop and identify state in the US require RAS of a crime. Cops still can't _lawfully_ just force a random person to identify themselves for _no reason at all,_ though of course since they don't actually have to _articulate_ RAS on the spot, they arguably _de facto_ can get away with unlawful ID demands.
In this specific case, since the kid wasn't _lawfully detained,_ he has no requirement to divulge his name. The cop can ask all he likes, but the kid doesn't have to say a single word back.
On the one hand, this looks like routine police work. There's no expectation of privacy in public; you can talk _at_ a person all you like regardless of whether or not they want to be talked at. On the other hand, there's this:
"Ohio Revised Code Section 2903.211 | Menacing by stalking.
(A)(1) No person by engaging in a pattern of conduct shall knowingly cause another person to believe that the offender will cause physical harm to the other person or a family or household member of the other person or cause mental distress to the other person or a family or household member of the other person. In addition to any other basis for the other person's belief that the offender will cause physical harm to the other person or the other person's family or household member or mental distress to the other person or the other person's family or household member, the other person's belief or mental distress may be based on words or conduct of the offender that are directed at or identify a corporation, association, or other organization that employs the other person or to which the other person belongs."
As for the topic of the video itself, I'd argue that slow-rolling your cop car continuing to try to engage in conversation someone who already expressed that they don't want to talk to you could be considered "menacing." If the cop is clearly following the guy by matching his turns and keeps asking questions despite having already been told that the dude considers the continued attempts at interaction to be "harassment," then really the only question is whether the cop "engaged in a pattern of conduct" that caused the kid to "believe [the cop] will cause physical harm or mental distress." I think it's pretty clear that the cop _knew_ about the mental distress given how he talked about the kid's apparent nervousness and how he noticed the kid watched him every time he drove by. I'd argue this cop _could_ technically be in violation of 2903.211(A)(1). If the kid perceived the cop as having specifically observed him regularly (as the cop directly states) and trying to find a reason to "put hands on him" (as the cop states), one could easily argue that that's sufficient to meet all the criteria for this particular crime.
As you're apparently a fellow pedant, what do you think of this interaction as it pertains to ORC 2903.211? Think I might be _technically_ correct about this?
You keep showing us this video and calling for the 3 to be fired, what can the viewers do to help?
Did they do any investigation on this? Did they bother to watch the footage? Or just act out of pure ignorance and stupidity?
what in the holy hell? a board comprised of non knowledgeable people dictating how policing is to be done .why isnt there any police representation on that board? seemsmore like a lynch mob than anything constructive
Ben is good at his job
Sounds like a lawsuit to me wrongful termination😊
No one was terminated
How RIDICULOUS!! All of them need charges on them for this! Including the so called mother that calked this in!! So disgusting!! They shoukd ALL be ashamed of themselves!!!
Agree 💯! Thank you, Officer Ben!
I'm assuming these three do not live in a neighborhood of consequence where you can't walk your dog without fear of getting stabbed, shot, mauled by a Pitbull or all three at once.
Ben- Are you going to cover the story of the Black Airman who was shot by an officer?
I heard about this, so the 1st thing I did was watch the bodycam. There was a disturbance call, the apartment manager tells the officer it’s apartment 1401. The officer goes to apartment 1401 (it’s clearly on the wall next to the door), knocks several times announcing he is an officer.
The guy opened the door with a gun and was shot.
MANY major news stories twisted the narrative. The headlines on many newscasts (specifically many local and National ABC News channels) claimed that police “burst into the wrong apartment.”
It wasn’t the wrong apartment.
They didn’t burst in. There wasn’t even a “they”-It was one officer who didn’t enter.
The media left out that the guy was holding a gun.
The viewers were left thinking a guy was just sitting in his apartment minding his own business, and a bunch of cops went to the wrong address, kicked in his door, and shot him. This was literally what someone wrote happened on another channel even.
I would like to. I don't know if I'll have time.
I saw this , he did open the door with a gun
If somebody's in their own home, they are allowed to open the door holding a gun.
The board was wrong for making this a racial issue, but now you are doing the same thing. Please don't. I'm truly sorry this happened . We all know that some people, no matter color, are racist/ prejudiced or maybe looking for a payday, but we have to be better. Does it suck big time , yes, but don't let people like that bring you down to their level. I'm from Girard/ Liberty and have had only good encounters with police officers. I hope and pray this officer can find peace with the unnecessary ordeal and have better encounters in the future. Good bless America and good Americans. Be safe 🙏
Good afternoon officer Ben!! Greetings from Florida ❤
that woman's red glasses instantly told me everything i needed to know about her
now _that's_ profiling
This is a big reminder of why I am grateful EVERY DAY that I live in Florida: I live in a Red State, a Red County, and a Red town. We support all our law enforcement officers and they all know it too.
Hmmm..I can remember streets being much safer when profiling was allowed. It showed exactly where the majority of the problem was, and still is.
Crime is at the lowest rate since 1968.
That officer was being so nice and friendly like the old days of policing. Where we knew who he/she was they knew who we were and like he said we just communicated. We seem to have lost that and this kid wasn’t stopped and grilled just a brief moment. The one thing I love about a policeman are their instincts. They never let them down. Those people definitely need to be held accountable. Thanks Officer Ben for doing all you can to support your family in blue. More importantly always trying to make a wrong a right.
Loads of love and respect Leisa Western Australia xxx
So without knowing the teenager's race, the Review Board just assumed he was black. Why would they make that assumption? Seems a bit racist in my opinion.
Have the public officials behind the decision been held for any accountability of such a poor investigation? I totally agree that you can not be a leader from your desk without personal experience. Too many people are making decisions in all fields of work with absolutely no idea of what is happening on the front lines. We need more General George S. Pattons who actually were present on battlefields before telling the soldiers what to do, not behind a desk and laptop.
That review board is biased...against law enforcement, and yes that board should be fired.
Thank you for your loyalty from these people that have. No clue
Howdy, howdy from Temple, Texas!
So now you can’t even just stop and speak to people????
Oh Lord we need you Now🙏🏻🕊✝️🌸♥️🇺🇸
That group of psychos have no idea what real life is!!!
I generally avoid approaching minors without a reason as an adult male, especially with a camera rolling. 😊
@@jonesnbones but it’s a Cop! In Uniform! In a Marked Patrol Car!
Did you hear the LONG list of what they considered profiling, protected… absolutely ridiculous ‼️‼️
When he called the boy suspicious it probably scared him
They all need to be replaced with people that actually know what they are doing. Have a great day my friend, and stay safe ❤️🙂⚘️🚔⚖️💙.
You would think as Intelligent beings we would know better then to have Civilians Control Police Enforcement . Should an over site Board be retired Police Officers. So they have the basic Knowledge .
So definition... Human
That whole interaction sounded like proactive policing. Officer saw someone he recognised, struck up a conversation and gauged the replies. Had the officer been on foot, he’d probably followed the person and had the same conversation. The complainant may not have been up to mischief that day, but he sure will think twice about it if he knows the police recognise him by face alone.
Streets were safer with stahp & phrisck...js.
I appreciate biased policing. If someone appears suspicious or that they do not belong where they are id prefer that they are questioned. It’s no wonder why Officers are only reactive anymore and not proactive. You literally can not be due to the fear and consequences handed down by those who “Think” they know better. Accepting a Civilian Review board was probably the biggest mistake the Union could have done during their last negotiations.
Is it wrong to hate an entire race?
I just think marathons are way too much running.
😂😂
Every police officer in that city should just walk.
Typical people that are not qualified, working for the city,defund the police,when there trying to do there job, the country is in trouble.
Im so glad we have officer's that can endure the climate they are in now a days i most certainly could not.
I move that in addition to disbanding the Civ review board, they also be re-named "The Columbus Board of Useful Idiots".
Cop: "Mellow greetings, fellow human."
Citizen: "STOP HARASSING ME!"
Okay sure, someone has to watch the watchers, but how do clowns like these get to be on a review board?
The review board should be held accountable for what looks like persecution of an officer doing what he is supposed to be doing, they should lose they positions for this dishonest action, also they are trying to say how the police are to carry out their job when in reality they would not last an hour on the streets walking in an officers shoes. I know my opinion counts for nothing as i live in the UK but i have been watching your videos for a number of years now and i have seen nothing but professionalism from the officers shown.
I'm glad that most metros now have a full board of civilian busybodies [probably the same sort of people who would be attracted to governing a HOA] to review every single police interaction that ever happens, I'm sure nothing bad can come of this.
Some people don't like to have conversations with cops that caught may not have had intentions but he might have had other experiences where their conversations led to arrest
What he should have done, and would probably do next time, is make it official and stop him as a suspicious person. Literally meets all the factors taught. 1. High crime area (Hilltop) 2. Unusual attire (hoodie pulled up in Columbus in July?) 3. Furtive behavior (Cindy's checking if the officer of still nearby.
It's not rocket science to figure out he is sus as hell.
Woooow! Black, huh? 😂😂😂 Thank God you guys have cameras now. My goodness, they're grasping at straws. Despicable. Imagine how much more corruption there'd be (or, there was, prior to cameras) if it weren't for body cams. Any time I've had an encounter with CPD they have been nothing but respectful in every sense of the word. ❤
The board didn't even review the body camera footage?
Not their job, their job is to scream that everyone and everything is racist and to prosecute police without knowing any policing rules. Thats where your money goes.
So weird how this review board was created in 2020....the year when a lot of things were created and then later realized to be not that effective....like a board of civilians who know nothing about police work and yet are given authority....are you required to spend any time with police officers before going on that board? Or do you just have to watch what is being said about police on TV??
How have these people not lost their jobs yet? Has the local news reported on this?
It's said that a parent would do this when all that police 🚨 officer was doing was checking on her son ...when does this this end ...we have good officers and people try to take them down but the bad ones stay ...GOD BLESS EVERYONE ¡¡¡☆☆☆❤stay strong OHIO OFFICER 👮 AND OTHER OFFICERS BACK HIM UP ...❤
How can the three of them be so stupid to state a blatant lie that is recorded as if the recording will never come to light? 🤦♀️
Officer Ben, I've commented on at least three videos where the commentary did not match what transpired during the Columbus Police Review Board meetings. I watched and made sure I saw and heard what went on during those meetings. I don't always agree with the board, but I look to stay within the facts. I'm baffled that absolutely no one commented on my entry or maybe didn't watch the actual review board meetings for themselves.
These are not my opinions I'm talking about. It's clear what the board ruled on.. ?????????
Watched the Columbus Police Review Board #28 meeting, (I viewed many times) which covers the related incident (#2023-1071) (25:48-30:31+). I don't think the complaint should have been sustained, but clearly the decision was not race based. As stated it had to do with the way the kid was dressed (hoodie is warm weather) and his suspicious nature (constantly looking back over his shoulder).
(should not have been sustained)
The report/video did show me the officer was doing his job and very well.
(should not have been sustained... needs to be removed)
We should move to get this sustained finding removed............
Great job Officer S.
I don't live in your state, is there a way to advocate for the termination of the inspector general?
In my opinion. He "wasn't" harassing the 15 y/o M/W.
The people who determine the fate of the officers need to be doing ride along in the car with officers. Suggesting ride along every single "month" at least 6 to 8 hours, so they can see what these officers are truly dealing with. How can one determine the fate of these officers and they haven't even been in a cruiser or with them at any time? And I'm not suggesting Dublin or Grandview or anything like that, I'm suggesting the bottoms or Short North downtown etc. 😮
He's definitely harassing him. Let the kid walk without bothering him. Just cause he's had a not so good history in the past doesn't mean he is doing something wrong on that day. I have a teen son that wears a hoodie in the middle of the summer. Do I think it's ridiculous? Absolutely! But that doesn't mean he's doing something wrong. He's following him as he's trying to walk away
Troublesome trio
So this "guilty" of bias whatever BS. Is just their word choice to make themselves sound official right? This never made court or anything?
These don't go to court, but they are placed in the officer's personnel file and can lead to discipline.
@@ColumbusPoliceBodyCamera that makes sense. And the police department decides if there will be any discipline? Which I'm guessing with most of these CRB cases, doesn't happen because it shouldn't?
I would hope the bodycam footage also goes into their personnel file.
That's what got their hackles up??? 🤷
I've been wanting to see that video for months.
ALL this time wasted by the IG and the CRB over absolutely NOTHING!
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These paper pushers do seem to be harassing these officers. Now I live in Los Angeles and watching the officers featured on this channel always leaves me in awe with how far proper training and policies can go towards good relations between LEOs and the public. The LAPD and LA County sheriff have come a heck of a long way but they still have some traveling to put in and granted, the setting and general public and the people who make it up are vastly different. So it isn't completely fair to compare them outright but I would have to say that the officers featured here do an amazing job when it comes to relations. I could count on one hand the amount of times I felt like an officer wasn't being fair or was abusing his power.
Critical thinking skills are stretched so far, but she can’t make it all meet in the middle…
If I pull up next to someone in my car and start talking to them on the way home, is that harassment? What if they’re a black person, does that somehow make me a racist (profiler)? Or is it somehow just because it’s an officer and this teen just feels like he wants to speak with police?
I’m sorry, maybe someone can explain this better for me. So this person is walking down a sidewalk and officer pulls up beside them just to make “casual conversation “. This person never stops walking and the officer just keeps on driving at a snail’s pace beside them in what is clearly a one way conversation. If this was happening to me, I would call it undermining harassment by the police officer. If I was pacing a woman in my car like this would anyone call it”casual communication “?
The younger generations are something else I tell ya...it's so sad. Not all of em are bad. But the majority of em are so rude and disrespectful. And doing such horrible things. Like where's the parenting? If that was ne and my mama found out I was being rude, I would have been whipped with the paddle and grounded. It's like kids and parents have switched roles. Ijs. This is what I see every day
Replace board karens for wise people with military/law enforcement history.
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imagine, there are oversight committees in this country doing this shit, and the officer who killed roger forston is gonna get away with it.
Have you watched the body cam of that shooting? He opened the door with a gun in his hand.
Im so glad i treat cops like a normal human.. my dad was a crack addict when i was growing up and even with him going to jail and constantly fighting cops ive always known cops were mostly decent. I do have more respect for them as an adult, though. I had a cop do this to me while looking for someone and i actually helped them find the person cause i did indeed see them run down an alley 😂
what a joke. these people lol.
Looks to me like the officer handled the situation pretty well considering the kid was acting like a douche.
Is the kid walking hyper speed or is he on a bike lol it seems like hes driving fast and talking lol
Wait so the kid was white and they were saying he was black ok if there is a cop around and they notice that you are walking everything the cop is doing rite there would be at least enough probable cause to see what he is doing. If a cop notices that you are watching out for a cop . Just like a highway when the cops are sitting on the median and you are speeding and you hit your brakes why are you looking out for them looks very suspicious. The officer didn't stop him and ask for ID when the kid wouldn't give him his name that would have been at least a reason to wonder why he could be doing that because he has warrants That was not the case he just was talking to him. The cop knew that he was involved in some type of situation with the kid I was a bounty hunter so I have a little bit of an idea what cops go through but it was 10 years ago things have changed for the worst and it's not anything compared to back then
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Not a particular fan of this interaction, but clearly the review board was wrong. That's the problem when you look at things through "lenses" like racism, everything ends up looking like racism. Only racial bias here is the review board's own
It shouldn’t have gone to court but also if there is no legal reason to interact and they don’t want you to interact with them then tough cookies, F off. Love how all officers are human until it’s time to be human.
post their emails.
This officer did nothing wrong. He was only talking to him. He is telling that boy he is free to go. I had one come up at start talking to me. There is nothing wrong with that
7:30 my wife weighs all of 90;b soaking wet and is cold ALL THE TIME, OFTEN wears a hoodie in 80 degree weather. This is NOT PROBABLE CAUSE! LMFAO!!!!!!
I’m first ???
never been first here 😊
What does being 1st gets you? Just trying to understand.....
@@AOCITYBOYbragging rights, but I don’t know who he’s bragging to?
@@AOCITYBOY
a sense of self-satisfaction, a trophy, and a $100,000 cash prize 🏆
@@Pumpkin-Brain
it’s similar to not stepping on sidewalk cracks … do you *really* save your mother from a broken back ?? 🤷🏼♀️
We were waiting for you! 🏆✌️
Sorry, fresh out of cash prizes. 😬
Only racist bring up race
I don’t see anything wrong here. It could have been like something a white officer asked me when I was leaving a library when I was 13. “Where the drug at”? Lmao
They can ASK they just have to accept that the person does not NEED TO LEGALLY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES...UNLESS "PC" is FIRST established...
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5:42 "remembering from a previous interaction" does not warrant probable cause. IF that were the case they could pull over and harass anyone at any time based on "I remember you" without any cause.
If the boy wasn't suspected of commiting a crime then why was the officer questioning him? Any civil rights attorney would have a field day with this. You said yourself this is a common tactic police use when they do not suspect a crime has been committed but want to try and get information that they hope will lead to a crime, which is harassment. The committee has issues also and need to be investigated, with any involved in falsifying evidence terminated and charged. Both were parties were in the wrong. If you don't have reasonable articulate suspicion then leave people alone.
Lol no. The text for a Consensual Encounter was taken directly from the Supreme Court. The kid wasn't stopped. An officer just wanted to talk to someone he recognized. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. He even told the kid several times that he didn't have to stop.
Do you want a world where police officers are required to apply to a judge for "special permission" to converse with members of the public? You are hilarious.
The officer wasn't questioning him, he was having a conversation with him. The police are allowed to chat with people just like any other profession. The boy was free to walk away at any time or decline to talk.
5:52 Something used to evade probable cause to harass people anyway. Sounds... like a violation of the 4th amendment.
6:48 Clearly he doesn't REMEMBER him all that well does he? "you look familiar" is far from legally defined probable cause.
If there's no stop or detainment, there's no 4th amendment issue. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@ColumbusPoliceBodyCamera "The Fourth Amendment guarantees “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.” An individual is seized when “by means of physical force or a show of authority, his freedom of movement is restrained.” United States v Mendenhall, 446 US 544, 546 (1980). If, however, the “person to whom questions are put remains free to disregard the questions and walk away, there has been no intrusion upon that person’s liberty or privacy as would under the Constitution require some particularized and objective justification.” Id. at 547.
It should be noted that seizures are not specifically limited to the detainment of an individual. Any mechanism deployed by law enforcement officials to impede an individual’s movement may constitute a seizure for Fourth Amendment purposes. Brower v Inyo County, 489 US 593 (1989); where individual driving a stolen car and being pursued by police was killed after hitting a police barricade designed to stop him, the Court found that the suspect had been seized because his death had occurred “through means intentionally applied.” See alsoTennessee v Garner, 471 US 1 (1985), finding that a suspected thief who was shot and killed while being pursued by law enforcement had been seized for Fourth Amendment purposes."
Is this more clickbait titles? Y'all know people will watch these without the fake outrage right?
The Inspector General literally said that. It's all in the video.
Not clickbait. Its called reality. Unfortunately.
7:42 ADMITS TO PROFILING ON CAMERA. Mega OOPS.
Never stopped him, never detained him. Never even blocked his path. An officer can talk to anyone they want, any time, as long as they don't try to detail someone without a good reason.
6:18 Funny you claim that when most police officer have a very loose understanding of the LAW. Let alone their JOB or TRAINING...
Nope, you're very confused.
Once again, but this time in English. Thanks bubba.
This is not profiling, just a cop doing his job. People need to stop being snowflakes.
Officer Ben, can you help us understand what the ramifications are for the Inspector General’s complaint? How does it affect this officer’s career? We’re all with you that the complaint was nonsense, should be retracted, and an apology issued. I’m just curious what kind of teeth are behind a sustained complaint of bias-based profiling.
Police officer wakes up, grabs a kettle, is brought to the police board for racism because he woke up in a racist way and thats a misconduct. I am surprised officers don’t walk out of their job at this point.
Ohio Revised Code: Section 2903.211 | Menacing by stalking.
(A)(1) No person by *_engaging in a pattern of conduct_* shall *_knowingly cause another person to believe that the offender will cause physical harm_* to the other person or a family or household member of the other person *_or cause mental distress_* to the other person or a family or household member of the other person. In addition to any other basis for the other person's belief that the offender will cause physical harm to the other person or the other person's family or household member or mental distress to the other person or the other person's family or household member, the other person's belief or mental distress may be based on words or conduct of the offender that are directed at or identify a corporation, association, or other organization that employs the other person or to which the other person belongs.
"You look nervous. I think you're suspicious. I'm going to slow-roll my cruiser next to you and ask you questions for a while, whether you want me to or not. I'm even going to outright tell you that if I had a reason, I'd have 'hands on you.'"
"No person by engaging in a pattern of conduct shall knowingly cause another person to believe that the offender will cause physical harm or mental distress to the other person."
Lawyers, pedants, rules-lawyers, and technically-correct-is-best-correct folks in the chat, what do you think?
Did the cop 1) "by engaging in a pattern of conduct" 2) "knowingly" 3) "cause another person to believe that the officer will cause physical harm or mental distress to the other person?
Does this law _as written_ outlaw routine police work if the officer _knows_ that doing so causes people to experience distress?
Let's get some courthouse arguments going, I'm interested in hearing what folks say on both sides. I can think of a few arguments for both sides, what do y'all think though?
Lol do your clown shoes squeak when you walk?
@@ColumbusPoliceBodyCamera My boots are size 16, so it's pretty common to hear someone call them them "clown shoes" (I've been hearing that since I was 5 years old lol), but I'm guessing you didn't know that, so what's up? Fwiw, they don't squeak, but they do kind of creak. Old leather, ya know. Bates makes really good boots, get you some if you haven't. I'm about to re-sole these; the boots themselves outlast the tread.
Jokes aside, what exactly are you trying to imply? Did I _say_ the officer was guilty of 2903.211? No, I didn't. You're ASSuming that's my take, and you're wrong about that.
When you fire your service weapon, do you bother checking your targets first, or do you do a lot of *friendly fire* there as well as here? I'm on _your team,_ ya _clown!_ Pay attention. Less emotions, more thinking please!
I asked for *arguments for both sides* of the question while not advocating for one side over the other. I'm not an attorney and neither are you, but surely you can engage in a *_hypothetical._* Your reply contained no claim and argument, same as mine. I'm trying to drive engagement for your video and your response is to *spam and insult me* by implying that I hold a position when I haven't said anything whatsoever to that effect and have actually stated that my purpose is to hear what _others_ have to say about it?
Do you insult people for fun? What even is the basis of this insult? I'm literally on record in another thread (from BEFORE posting this one) engaging with a fellow pedant and saying _this very law_ *as written* arguably outlaws totally mundane routine police work and but perhaps that's a problem with the way the law is written.
If you wanted my position you could've just ask, but you opted to go straight to assuming it and spewing ad hominems like a 3-year-old. If you're not intellectually _able_ to participate at the level requested, I'll meet you where you're at, Bozo.
But it kind of makes you look like the silly one. I'm here for an actual conversation; Am I correct in assuming from your childishly presumptive and insubstantial response that that's something you are incapable of, or are you actually able to use your _big boy words_ to articulate your opinion?
Why so quick to jump to assumptions like that? Didn't your daddy ever tell you what happens when you ASSume things?
If you are " distressed" by being talked to by an officer, stay of the street.
@@terryboyd9369 Should people with trauma disorders should stay out of public spaces for that reason?
For example, if a Marine has PTSD, should he just stay out of public?
Some people are distressed merely by being followed by other people. I'd argue this is a natural result of our fight-or-flight biology.
@@ThorsDecree If someone can't handle themselves in public they should stay out of public spaces. The police are allowed to have conversations with people and those people are free to walk away or ignore them. Talking to someone from a car is not menacing by stalking and no one thinks that being talked to from a car is going to cause harm.