The ADHD Mind’s Voice: Can It Be Silenced?
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- www.digcoaching.com. Jeff Copper is an ADHD coach and host of Attention Talk Video which is part of the Attention Talk Network, www.attentiontalknetwork.com.
The ADHD mind’s voice, the chatter, is that you? Can it be silenced? You bet. In this episode of Attention Talk Video we interview ADD Crusher™ Alan Brown (www.addcrusher.com) about the mind’s voice, how that voice isn’t you, and tips on how to silence the voice. If you are distracted by mental chatter, overwhelmed, or just need to be more mindful, this is a show you won’t want to miss.
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I'm so grateful to see a video has been made on this in correlation with ADHD. I've noticed there is emphasis of low self esteem with ADHD but failure to address exactly how our minds race with negativity when something is bothering us. It can be paralyzing! I started working on breaking down my negative self talk and even talking back to the "inner critic" with affirmations, which has helped. As well as practicing mindfulness, and the law of attraction. Somehow, working on this got skipped in most therapy session I attended in my youth which were more reflective and cognative therapy, but didn't help me cope with it. Emphasis was always on stopping the negative self talk, which made it worse, led to a diagnosis of social anxiety/meds and being labeled an overthinker. Thanks again for this!
+Alyson Oltmann Very insightful comment! Mark Katz once said... there is nothing so wrong with you that is what's right with you can't fix! in coaching we often have people keep a success journal. At first people find it hard cause they don't know what a success looks like cause i'll they've learned to notice is what doesn't work. Alyson, rock on!
I call my ADHD mind's voice my "squirrel brain". It helps me distinguish my disability from my functional brain.
I really love your channel. It's refreshing to see so much support go towards this misunderstood condition!
+Ineffable Splendor i'm thrilled you are getting something out of our videos!
+Ineffable Splendor Love the "squirrel brain" term -- and that fact that you've DISTINGUISHED it from your REAL brain! -AB
+CrusherTV Lol! Thanks! That's really how it feels!
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Very helpful reminders, gentlemen. Meditation, even just a few minutes a day to start, really helps to quiet the mind over time. And all it takes is to be still for a bit and curiously witness our thoughts without engaging.
Surprisingly, the simplicity of this exercise is at the heart of most spiritual teachings. Eckhart Tolle, Mooji, Rupert Spira - and their teachers -suggest it’s the gateway to finding that “peace beyond explanation or understanding” we often hear about. Using the simple practice of being aware of that which is aware (the witnesser), I’ve had glimpses of that peace and want nothing more than to learn how to live in it consistently. I believe it’s possible.
The more I learn about adhd, and the characteristics of those who have it, the more I’m convinced it’s actually a gift we’ve been given to push us toward true self discovery, and in turn, discover the peace we’ve been searching for all along. Stay positive my friends, we’ll get there!!
Great post! Stay positive! We'll get there!
And I put the emphasis on, as you say, just a few minutes! That's really all it takes. Did it last night before a presentation...just two minutes of quieting my mind -- and it's like I had a power nap! Bravo, Brett...AB
Another great vid Jeff. I pause, become aware, then I turn my attention to breathing; it's neglected when my mind's voice takes over. Pay attention to air in deep, pause, air out completely, repeat.... Your vids are helpful and I want to say thank you. I was just diagnosed last month - at age 52!! On the meds trials journey now. Nice to get my brain to cooperate more. I'm really feeling for all those out there who are undiagnosed, or maybe worse, misdiagnosed.
remedyfarm Pause, focus on breathing... great strategy!!!!!!! If you are reading this post and have not tried it do what ramedyfarm is doing!
Love the video. I only recently got diagnosed and I'm 30!!!! For so many years i thought this was what was going on in every person's mind. I am very new to this, so thank you!.
Glad it was helpful!.
Thanks for watch my channel.
I've never had somebody describe the voice in my head so vividly
Booya!
In drug counselling, the voice is described as ‘it’.. there are huge benefits in separating ‘it’, from your conscious self in terms of recognising cravings and practicing self control. When you have long term sobriety goals, you can shut down the voice and tell yourself “‘it’ wants to use, but I don’t”..
You are not your thoughts..
I am asd and adhd.. adult diagnosed.
I’ve spent 30 years bamboozled and shackled by the inner voice.. I used to think I was crazy.. I’m so glad to learn I’m just autistic.
there are many coaching techniques similiar to what you described. Thanks for posting.
This is interesting -- "it" -- great name for it. And perfectly aligned with how Jeff @attentiontalkvideo describes the need to "name that voice". Thanks for this great comment! -apb
OMG YES!!!!!! That voice its so overwhelming.
This is one of the skills that is in CBT. Doing mindfulness and redirecting techniques in your everyday life
Alan has several such mind hacks.
I absolutely love this. It totally talks to me. Communication is often difficult. I love the word traction he uses. I often feel like I don't have traction. I guess the best thing is just not to make a big deal out of the fact that I often don't have good traction. It's OK it's not as bad as it feels. It's part of who I am and I have to be happy with who I am. Just laugh it off and move on. Every one has there quirks and that's what makes them different and beautiful. We are way too hard on ourselves. How many times have I been told that loll. I know I really need to practice chilling out when communicating because I really get stressed. Soo much to say, so many words forgotten and soo little time to say, and try to say it right so the other person understands. So many words I speak in my head instead of outloud. It often comes out wrong. So many times I forget to ask questions instead of talking and not staying on subject. Wondering what is OK to say and what is not. Is all this adhd or is there something else because it seems a lot. Stumbling on my words. Although I will write a poem and read it in front of an audience and I'll be OK because I can spit everything out on paper then get a visual of it then audit it and organize it. But when communicating it's soo raw and a lot of it doesn't want to come out. Anyways....
Finally found peace, yeah!
communicating (not simple stuff) is an executive function. In simple terms it is about organizing thoughts. Working memory plays a big role. Working memory is about having various thoughts... ideas and holding them in mind (remembering them) and juggling them to sequence them to communicate something in an organized way. This is often a challenge for many with ADHD.
So... you are asked a questions... thoughts come to mind... you ponder them and start to communicate only to find more thoughts fill your mind... so many thoughts so little room and the question gets squeezed out... evaporates and then you realize you can't remember the question.
Often I find people with ADHD just start writing a stream of thoughts on a paper. Once out they no longer have to hold them in working memory (i.e. remember them). on paper they see them and then start to cut and paste to rearrange them to make sense.
This is the working memory part. Now the self regulation part.
this juggling thoughts in working memory to communicate is very forgetful... it is tiring. On top of that when a person with ADHD notices something a thing or idea or anything that sparks something they have a hard time not letting go of what they are doing because the other thing catches their attention. Often i find those with ADHD sit down and and start to write to organize their thoughts... it gets hard... in that pause... something else catches their attention and off they go leaving a partially written paper, thought, etc.
In coaching the trick i've found isn't to try harder but to acknowledge what is hard and manage things around you that enables you to do it in the most natural way (most natural way is a whole nother topic).
Hope this makes sense.
Thanks I just don't get what you mean by managing things around me so that I can do things naturally. What does that look like when you are talking to someone.
I just wanted to add that the discription is very helpful, I was starting to wonder about having asd too. But I guess adhd has a lot attributes than I realized. Like sensory overload. Stimming, tics. Adhd can often have these too. I find adhd can be a lot more complex than just what we see on the dsm. They should give us a symptoms list in a cartoon book style when we past the test loll. The quirks of adhd cartoon book lol. But sometimes I guess we just have to talk to someone because someone might discribe these symptoms but our brain doesn't get it completely. Yet when I say what happens in my words the person can oh yes that part of it and then there is clarity.
That is a simple question but a complicated answer. I'll do my best. Many with ADHD need to talk for a bit till they get to their point. Asking a person if you can talk to organize your thoughts before you answer them. Another example is to ask if you can take notes in a conversation to put buzz words down to remember them. I've coached a few members of the clergy... one often you ask a person if he could pray on a question before he answered them... basically he would think about it and get back to them another day. I was coaching a student who needed to have a person give him immediate feedback when he wrote a papers. when i say immediate i mean paragraph by paragraph.
During this video I was able to silence the right side of my mind's voice, but not my left. Weird 😂
Just kidding, I know you guys got the audio fixed now.
Seriously though, this video helped me so much with conceptualizing my ADHD. I now am excited about my neuropsych appointment to get assessed instead of dreading it. Thank you so much for this!
booya!!!!
good video
+Nasir Shakoor Alan has great content!
So we have this "voice" in our head. He puts us on autopilot. This state isn't helpful. So we develop a trigger like tention in shoulders or nervousness. This trigger brings us to start witnessing this voice / state of autopilot. Then to spin out of the autopilot and gain control we can develop another trigger like writting the thoughts down or attention to breathe.
Yes... in short... to PAUSE... THINK... the PROCEED.
@@AttentionTalkVideo very well said
why is there so much background noise during the recording of AN ADHD Help Video? please tell me My Add brain is not the only one having trouble focusing on what these men are saying because some lady seems to be talking very loud in the background? lol
Sorry about the background noise. Alan was in Tampa seeing his father. We pulled this together pretty quickly. the best place i could find quickly (with a good background and good lighting) was the lounge at Shula's at the intercontenential hotel. My hope was the mic would limit some of the background noise. while it is distracting we hope you find the content useful!
The mono sound on these videos is really distracting to me; the sound is only in the left channel.
sorry we had sound issues on videos years go. new ones are better.
ADD and anger,
I can write a couple paragraphs and the first 4 lines or so, the handwriting will look perfect, as the writing goes it gets worse and worse. Faster and faster, wtf am I goin so fast for!
that happens to me sometimes. the words are coming fast and i can't get them down and then i start to forget my thought or direction. Dictating helps as i can talk faster than i can write.
I call it the inner tv:)
interesting way of putting it!
Thanks for tuning in.
I call mine "the heckler" and often describe the voice as Joe Flaherty's character from Happy Gilmore.
LOL!
Well I have completely changed my diet (hoping some clarity might come from avoiding colors and junk and animal products). Happy to lose the weight, but now I have 12 videos cued up and 4 more pages open search for ADHD help. Sick and tire of 2 minute teasers and then: HERE BUY THIS!!! SEND ME YO MONEY!!!
Of course the "return" or improvement in life quality COULD make any price completely insignificant but broke is busted and it has to change. And it will no doubt. I have so much to offer, but can't find __real__ "customer reviews" of any of these programs and/or coaching salesmen.
I have absolutely no doubt that coaching could be fantastic. I ALWAYS do better when there is someone else in my life, but until i get my income up, i cannot "indulge" in more expenses...but that such "indulgence" could directly assist with getting my shit together. FMR.
Wade Patton If you always do better when someone else is in your life and if you are short on cash consider googling "attention talk radio body double". I did an interview with Gregg Ricardi who found success posting on a FB forum looking for a body double. If you like the concept I can maybe get you in touch with him.
That's part of the deal. I blew up the last relationship being too "needy" and part of what I was after (subconsciously as much as consciously I'm sure) was a some sort of "body double" reinforcement. I was also unknowingly battling depression at the time. "Romance" confused that issue for sure. SO I'm really cautious about asking friends for help. I know everyone has their own problems and don't care to pile another concern onto them. I have searched (many times) for "forum" type discussions but mostly find pill pushers and advertisement/program sellers, as well as "normal" parents of kids, no real ADHD adult community with which to share and mingle. Still looking.
Wade Patton consider listening to the interview with Gregg. He found some else who needed a body double. as they worked together (and still do) they have a structure to the way the work... kind of a formal thing... and is kind of a barter thing. I say this because if a body double works.... it works (I like easy... hard is overrated)... if it works refine it... don't let it go.
Just a thought at least.
Putting a mental illness out there on a Facebook forum is a double-edged sword, and the potential outcomes for it can be negative. Too many people have access to whatever information we choose to share on Facebook - including employers and potential employers. I would advise caution.
i quiet that goof down with 15mg of dexedrine, replace him with the sound of an aircon unit
goof down... not sure i'm clear on your post...
thank god I drank alcohol tonight, I can actually pay attention when I have a drink, yes doing something is the cure... you are completely normal when you are doing something... its when you are not doing something that it becomes a disorder... do do do do do do do do do do do do do something... when you are doing something you won't get judged.. when you sit still all the assholes in the world will sit poke and fuck with you... don't sit still.. move around do something be productive and all the bullshit stops.. people don't fuck with mister productive ;)
ImMADasAMeatAxe interesting comments. Done a few interviews with Dr. Ari Tuckman around boredom... which is kind of the opposite side of the coin you described!
the only time I'm bored is when I am around most people... most people make the day boring.. most people don't do half the stuff I do.. which means they are boring
when I'm alone I feel free enough to actually entertain myself with silly stuff like playing the guitar writing recording mixing mastering collaborating music, designing industrial and agricultural machinery, doing scientific experiments blowing things up inhaleing poisonous fumes turning plastic into gasoline choking the neighbors out with fumes blowing things up normal stuff
most people bore the shit out of me... im a selfish bastard cause I'm more entertained while alone than in other peoples company
adhd I think is the ability to self entertain and do everything by yourself for yourself.. its the disorder of independence...... independence is a disorder.. that's how the world works... the world wants dependency... independence goes against everything... its only a disorder "because" everyone else has a problem with it
I have a feeling... the problem is a brain that works too fast and bored to easy.. yes I agree..
alcohol dumbs me down to a normal level... that's why I drink it... its to make me as stupid as everyone else...
I've done timed sit down IQ test's in the past... never had a result below 155 the highest IQ score I received was 178
the problem is... bored to easy cause most people are very low on the IQ scale
alcohol helps a lot in social occasions and family it helps get the brain down yes down to the normal level
I wouldn't recommend it as treatment for adhd.. but the truth is... its boredom
most average people have an IQ around 100 to 110... if you are over 150 its almost impossible to talk at a level 50 percent lower... that's reality unless the adhd is caused by brain injury rather than genetics.. which is completely different thing altogether
ImMADasAMeatAxe makes sense!
I can't condone drinking alcohol as a coping mechanism. Is it possible you have anxiety with your ADHD, like many of us do? I am on a low-dose medication for it and it really helps.
@@ImMADasAMeatAxe Yes exactly. It's like, what do they do, watch TV all night? With the commercials and everything!?
What about ADD ADHD whatever at a busy insanely busy restaurant and you get tickets first several items back to back and you're in the weeds and you don't even have time to think about trying to calm yourself it's all Madness obviously you guys have never worked in a restaurant think about it
... a thought.
First res-ponders (police, fire, marines, etc.) as I understand it are taught/trained to pause... so they don't panic. The idea is to engage their thinking brain to override the reactionary brain.
There is the madness of the battle field... and the madness of a restaurant. In both cases it seems thinking vs reacting would have a better out come in most situations.
Again, just a thought.
@@AttentionTalkVideo And I think there's research finding that first responders are disproportionately ADHD.
Yes, Craig, it does seem at odds with situations like the one you describe. But that craziness you describe is exactly the unfiltered, un-managed inner dialogue I refer to -- though it's "on steroids" in a situation like working the line in a busy restaurant (yes, I worked many years in the biz!). And what Jeff says below I totally agree with: The challenge -- and it IS a BIG one -- is to be able to pause...and deal with one...order...at...a...time. Easier said than done, but it's all about managing our inner voice. By the way, Dr Ned Hallowell wrote in one of his books (I think it was Delivered From Distraction) about how he worked the grill in a crazy-busy restaurant as a young man and was somehow able to "get into flow" when getting hit with tons of orders. Wish I coulda done that!! Hope this makes sense Craig -- and keep on fighting' the fight! -APB
@@ADDCrusher I haven't seen the research but all the experts i've talked to believe your statement is correct. Note i did an interview with a police office on Attention Talk Radio about his ADHD and experience as a first responder. It was quite insightful.
thanks for posting.