Improved Battle Plans - The Siege of King's Landing (How to Fix Season 8 Episode 05 - The Bells)
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- I analyze the plans for the siege of King's Landing and offer my own improved strategy based on historical precedent. In this video I also offer my own take on fixing the pivotal moments in Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 5 "The Bells" where Daenerys decides to burn the city and become the mother of ashes.
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As the season draws to a close, what would you propose for future episodes in the series? Also if you'd like to support my future efforts please consider tossing us a buck or two on Patreon, it goes a long way: www.patreon.com/InvictaHistory
Maybe improved battle plans for battles in the other seasons.
D&D has destroyed this show.
What about the past conflicts before the rise of the republic
You could get a few videos worth of content out of HBO Rome, the show is cancelled now but it was far better than GoT.
Stop talking about game of thrones.
> "Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet"
Invicta: "Historically, it was not very common for commanders to forget about their main enemies while being on their way to fight them"
Imagine Hannibal having crossed the Alps and being totally surprised to find Roman legions in Italy.
Imagine Scipio marching to Carthage and being surprised there is a city
@@cc0767 rofl!!!!! godlike comment!
Imagine Hitler going for Blitzkrieg to Moscow only to find out there are soviet troops between him and Moscow.
Or him going for USA with tanks only to find out that there is an ocean between 'em
Ahahhahahahahhahaha nice
The more the Unsullied and Dothraki die, the more they magically appear.
Necromancy is all the rage in westeros these days.
For real, the dude is like, "we see the end of the Dothraki in the long night." Then suddenly most of them are alive lol wtf.
If she had so many soldiers, why she didn't use them against the dead? lol
@@leroyrodgers6089 The Dothraki kind of forgot they all died
They are like orks. There are always enough for them to be a threat but never enough to overwhelm their opponents
7:48 "impossible for me not to suspend my disbelief"
The rare quadruple negative?
Nathan Taylor yeah, I caught that too, I had a little trouble sussing out what he was going for.
At least the rest of the sentence provided context.
Yeah, shouldn't it be "impossible for me to suspend my disbelief"?
@@davidperrier6149 suspend
Black dragon... attack at night that's so simple, no amount of torches would allow them to see Drogon coming, especially in a dive
I could excuse a pitch black episode for that scenario.
@@Arkanthrall it's such an obvious strategy to completely ignore
At night if a dragon attacks, everyone in the shadows can instantly see him. Also, it deppends on the dragon agility and speed to avoid the ballistas, and the preparation must be perfect to locate every ballista ship, and every ballista on the city.
I really think they treated us like monkeys, to clap clap whatever they throw at us, and they failed.
@Cheryl I'm sure the dragons can probably see fine at night, plus the city is lit up with torches
This happened with HArrenhall
Remember in season 7 when dany was too scared to attack eurons fleet with three dragons but season 8 she attacks with just one
the constant breaks in show continuity completely shred the credibility of the show
Season 6 Dany: I will break the wheel! I won't become like my father!
Season 8 Dany: I AM THE WHEEL!!! ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!!!
Invicta Ikr you said so many points I was thinking, Jamie somehow managed to walk miles back to the red keep whilst bleeding out from two deep stab wounds
@@InvictaHistory GOT is bad. why are you making videos on it? Why not something cool lik LOTR?
Maybe is cause she was an rage and emotional he second time, also learned how to use the sun in her purpose. It's not a inconsistency if you just think about it for a second
Improved battle plan: Attack with Drogon at night. Imagine a dragon that's hidden by the darkness and only visible when breathing fire. Now that's a realistic plan that doesn't require nerfing the scorpions.
The more fires are lit the more visible the dragon gets through, one good shot would be enough to ground drogon
@@Dantick09 But the fires would be lit in areas that are already destroyed anyways. She only needed one pass along each section of the wall, and then move on the next, still dark sections.
Dantick09 if they couldn’t hit him in the day... they definitely will not hit him at night
@@Dantick09 Drogon just needs to go around in a circle to get all the scorpions and then the city is fucked. Odds are as well that panic would ensue and they wouldn't even be able to properly get a shot off.
Irun S likely lots of people would be asleep too so less resistance at the walls
Improved battle plan: attack King’s Landing beginning of S7 with 3 dragons
This.
I could never make sense of why that whole side plot happened, why anyone thought it was a good idea.
And, yeah, the city was for her taking then already.
The Sapien well kinda because of the undead but yeah I get all this above because of s8 it all goes to shit really
Tanner Healy no just not.
hell just using the dragons to breach all the gates and a few other spots i think the army would have given up, cersi not so much
That was Yara's plan. Dany should have never listened to Tyrion.
Maybe having Rhaegal dying in the Kings Landing battle, and then Danny going off mad would've made more sense
The crossbow shot from the child (Invicta's idea) could've killed him. Would make sense - Dany going absolutely mad for just losing her child and because it was "people of King's Landing" that did it and they hate her.
The dragons seem to be exactly as powerful, or a weak, as the writers need them to be at that moment. This type of thing kills me. So disappointed in the writing of this final season.
Also the number of troops, the accuracy of the scorpions and the intelligence of characters seem to vary just as writers needs them to be. Just lazy and indifferent writing.
Yep, the writers just change the rules of the universe, the nature of the main characters - everything - to get the story to arrive at some point they've decided it needs to reach. It's lazy and dumb. Exactly the opposite of why people fell in love with this series in the first place.
They actually just fucked Rheagals death. Shouldn't have been done that way. It established the scorpions (who were shitty before and throughout history) as deadly. Without that scene/a modified scene, it would have been fine. So they are actually not all over the place but they couldn't bother to think through that death scene..... I think the powerlvl against KL was actually spot on and also consider GRRM thinks of his dragons as nuclear weapons. Fuck those shitty scorpions.
When she flys over the golden company after the initial burning of the front gate all of the scorpions have the perfect shot on her as she flys off. If she's going to take down a whole city with a dragon at least make it look like she has to think about her actions and the iron fleet went from working together as one with flurrys of siege fire in an ambush to one ship firing one bolt at a time when defending a city
Marmocet yeah its even said in the book that dragon scales were as “hard as steel” and that the very three dragons Vhagar, Miraxes and the black dread would fly through storms of arrows and spears barley being harmed. Miraxes only died because the scorpion bolt hit it in its eye which of course is not covered by scales. Although it is only full grown dragons which have scales this thick so it is plausible.
Season 1: I'm not my father
Season 2: I'm not my father
Season 3: I'm not my father
Season 4: I'm not my father
Season 5: I'm not my father
Season 6: I'm not my father
Season 7: I'm not my father
Season 8 Episode 1: I'm not my father
Season 8 Episode 2: I'm not my father
Season 8 Episode 3: I'm not my father
Season 8 Episode 4: I'm not my father
Season 8 Episode 5: YEEEE HAWWWW
WILDCARD BITCHES
SEASON 8 EPISODE5 LEEEEEEEEROY JEEEENKINS
Season 8 Episode 5: Cowabunga it is
Expectation subverted.
She was already mad during season 8 episode 4, when she was seeing Starbucks coffee's
Came here for quality military strategy. Left with an incredible plan on how to fix the episode's plot. 12/10 would watch again
Damn I thought the child shooting the ballista idea was stupid, but to each their own
@@TrueTacticia yea that was a bit much
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 still better than what we got.
Daenerys kind of forgot that she's opposed to slaughtering non-combatants.
>Crucifies hundreds of Meereenese nobles
Be careful what you attach to characters you think you understand
@@thekillers1stfan Uh huh. And she spent the beginning of season seven dithering on an invasion because of all the innocents who would perish (meanwhile, they were no moral quandaries about taking Winterfell from the Boltons).
It was a load of nonsense. And they bungled the whole "Mad Queen" arc. The seeds were planted, but never well developed. You're the type to confuse an acorn with an oak tree.
@@dashrirprock They didn't, the speed at which it happened was intentional and fitting. Yes, she postures herself as a savior but this is years of her being at war, her best friend and dragon(aka her child) were just killed in front of her, she has been reminiscing about how Meereen overthrew their leaders for her without her help to initiate her reign while King's Landing has rallied around Cersei, and on top of that she sees her closest allies doing shady shit around her back and feels like terror is her only tool. If you think about it for more than half a second Dany's choice makes more sense than anything she's done since walking into Drogo's bonfire
@@thekillers1stfan Yeah, it makes perfect sense -- except a "choice" is not madness. A calculation to let them fear is not the paranoia and sadism of what had been established in the Targaryen line. Oh, and it also got her killed half-way into the next episode. She locked up two of her "best friends" aka "children" for killing one innocent child. Perhaps Jon will next slaughter non-combatants en masse now that he's decided Daenerys is bad and doesn't deserve to live. Thanks for your deep thoughts.
@@thekillers1stfan
I think you are wrong about this. Dany has shown signs of becoming a tyrant and will likely be so in the books but the way they portrayed it is...sloppy at best
The simple fact is that her brutality in the past had meaning. She murdered those she considered evil and even though an evil act, you understood her perspective.
There was no greater good being the slaughter of kings landing. She simply unleashed her anger upon the citizens. She could have taken kings landing without doing so, she could have focused on killing Cersei then at least the deaths within the keep had a reason. Unleashing dragon fire through the city serves nothing
Her killing civilians was nothing but a contrived way to end her story quickly. The novels will likely handle it in a way that is gradual, and have a more nuanced situations where you could actually understand her point of view.
The writers tried to make it sound like she wanted to "rule through fear" but her motivations to do so were simply unclear. Kings landing was already ruled by a hated tyrant, they were ripe to ralley behind a liberator as those in Mareen were. Should she have accepted the surrender, she would have been in a far better situation as queen.
Simply put, all this stems from rushed story telling, no time to add any nuance or inner conflict to make her inevitable snap believable.
Who needs siege equipment when you have TWENTY GOOD MEN
andadragonboi
And some climbing spikes. *wink *
And don't forget to equip them with plot armor.
Bronn only needs 10
Ser Twenty Goodman, the best swordsman the Realm has ever known
That last scene with the coin flip is infinitely better than Arya's magical fire-proof Targaryen horse.
Spielburg did a whole move on a white horse in war.
they're both terrible.
No, it would have been cheesy as fuck
Don't look down on Bran calling an Uber for his lil sis
Death rides a pale horse
The Golden Company melts faster than Dothraki gold
FACTS!!!!!
I have now heard about 50 fan fiction rewrites of season 8, literally any of which would have been far, far better than what we actually got.
When are hollywood writers going to learn that it always makes the story so much better when the protagonists and antagonists do things for _reasons_ and not just 'cuz "wouldn't this scene look awesome?".
When they run out of cocaine
D&D are hacks and have no idea how to write. They got lucky that they got all of the success from GoT, when it's GRR Martin's writing that isactually good.
They ran out of GRR books to mine and had to figure shit out on their own
Baseball teams have specialized pitchers to close out the game. Maybe TV shows need writers whose specialty is wrapping up a successful series
Drogon was wearing the finest armor available in all of seven kingdoms, the Plot Armor.
Not at all, you can't hit a fast flying dragon. Rhaegal's death was senseless
The Armor is so strong Valerian steel blades shatter on impact sometimes.
@@SirKolass With 20-30 ships even shooting blindly in the sky, the one of 1 ballista hitting are pretty high
Drogon was wearing the finest armor available in all of *existence
@@amanshah1611 Not if they all shoot in the same direction, which is what they were doing
Episode 4: Please nerf the Scorpion and max out the Dragon
Episode 5: Please neft the Dragon and turn off unlimited amo
or more like a dragon that is actually prepared has a higher chance of evading bolts
@@andreascovano7742 It's easy to dodge bolts that are never fired :D
Since when does Dragonfire burn on fuel?
Turn on you mean?
Last time they were fully prepared, now they were taken by surprise. Besides, Rhaegal was still hurt, Drogon wasn't
>mentions the siege of Jerusalem after he's left his series unfinished for so long it's a meme
You are a bold one General Kenobi.
PvtMartin78 with only 11 likes, I feel like this comment still stung.
He actually released the final part of the siege of Jerusalem lmao
Why aren’t you writing the show, your version sounds amazing
IkR
Many fans of the show had way more amazing and in depth theories and endings to the show than the way it did end. GoT was a massive disappointment in the end. It started with massive potential and fizzled out.
Should look up some fan theories and predictions.
sounds very tropey, but it is still better then what we got
@@cubiusblockus3973 honestly it would have been better if D&D just turned for reddit threads, quora answers and fan theories elsewhere for inspiration if the lack of GRRM writting was the issue, the books are stuck in the corner and unless GRRM pulls a deux ex machina, the ending of his books will be predicted by someone somewhere, these guys just invented the worst fan theory ever and ran with it.
@@cubiusblockus3973 they killed all the interesting Stark's even the last legitimate sane male Stark the show died with him imo
"the siege of jerusalem in 70Ad is a good example of what a vigorous defense looks like"
if only we ever got to finish learning about it
I plan on going full time with CZcams at the end of the month and will be devoting resources to finishing the series. As a special treat for everyone's patience I'm also preparing an "Epic Moments" episode to highlight heroic scenes from the siege. Here is a teaser of some of the artwork in progress: imgur.com/reyXKMi
Invicta You’re a legend bro
@@InvictaHistory Not video related but just curious. How many hours a day do you spend working on your videos and channel?
Awesome, brother! Looking forward to it.
Invicta yay im so excited especially because it’s about my ancestors
Who would win:
A city defended by 20 to 30 thousand men with strong walls, artillery, and provisions
OR
A flying lizard with spicy breath.
Spicy
Much Spicy
That depends, can this artillery hit a flying lizard travelling 80km/h from behind a rock 1500m away 3 times in a row without missing?
Depends on dragon armor and range, but assuming like show, (a) penetrable like any realistic chance of one hit kill or flight-disrupting wound, (as night king one-shotted and Bron disrupted flight) and (b) artillery range at least on par with fire, then the strong artillery. Shoot him as he approaches.
Stats: according to first 15 sec of czcams.com/video/_q7_37YcvKs/video.html ... drogon has ~55m wingspan, ~80% wingspan of 747. Prbly sim length btw, at least if excluding tail length. Ballistas from Rome range 100 yds. Drogon's not hitting much more than 100 yds I think. You go try to hawk a lugi 6 ft away from a wall, marking your target 6 ft off the ground. See if you can spit as far away as your own height. See if you can double it. (or wingspan, since human wingspan and height are similar; 747 length and wingspan are different but only by about 10% realistically, Drogon's not spitting, so breathing fire, much further than twice his own wingspan). Of course the dragon wins if it can breathe fire way further than the ballista range. But that's not the way it looks in the show one bit, so of course the many ballistas will hit lucky shots and kill the dragon 10 or 20 vs 1.
Improved battle plans: Battle of the Blackwater.
I want to see Stannis be victorious for once!!
The battle of the blackwater could not have been improved. Well, in the show maybe but not in the books.
Blackwater was intelligently done because Dumber and Dumber had still had source material by an actually good writer to adapt.
Tough for Stannis to come out on top in that one since his main reason for losing is the arrival of Mace and The Reach banners instead of a tactical blunder.
Stannis recognizing his younger brother as king (who will not leave a descendant anyway). Also Stannis to Maragry in her bedroom: Let's pretend I'm my brother 🤣
@@mariuszmiroslaw2290 Stannis is way to honourable to ever slight his brother like that. Remember, Robert actuallly did that to him. He imoreganted the cousin of Stannis' wife ON STANNNIS' WEDDING BED. That was one awful insult. No way Stannis would ever do that to someone else. He knows how insulting it is.
Episode 4: OMG I can't believe dragons can be hit by ballista
Episode 5: OMG I can't believe dragons didn't get hit by ballista
Con tin nuityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!~
Episode 4: Dragon gets shot at by around ten ballistas, which are all on ships, rocking on the sea. It gets hit and dies.
Episode 5: Dragon strafes what like a hundred ballistas? None of them even hit the dragon from their elevated, fortified positons on solid ground.
Imagine someone gets into a fight with a single, starving person, and gets absolutely beaten, but then when that same person gets into a fight with 10 fit people, they just kick all their asses without a scratch. That's how ridiculous this situation is.
@@keegeebee5392
Episode 4: injured dragon with no rider, doesn't see some ships on a calm sea, not huge rocking waves, gets shot by some ballista.
Episode 5: Bigger non injured dragon with ride purposefully flies at angles so as to avoid the fire from ships it knows are there.
Clueless fans looking for shit to bitch about after their fanfiction didn't end up being the actually story: ur muh gurd
@@HRPufnsting are you defending season 8? really?
HRPufnsting Purposefully flies at angles? There was literally a moment where Daenerys dive bombed the fleet in a straight line towards the aim of a ballista. Oh muh gurd, the fuck you on about?
Remember when Dany didn’t want to be a queen of ashes? Or when she locked her dragons up because one little kid got killed? Or when she she was all about not harming innocents? Pepperidge farm remembers.
D&D sure as hell don't
Remember when she said she wanted to conquer and burn cities? remember when she said that meeren would destroyed after it fell whilst at the fighting pits? remember how aerys became mad after 20 relatively sane years? remember when she didn't loose her best friends? remember when she almost died trying to destroy the ballista, and suddenly people surrendered thinking nothing was gonna happen? the fans clearly don't
remember when shit like this was fleshed out instead of being squashed into a few episodes?
Andrei Skobtsov Yeah I dont remember any of that. Clips please. Because all I remember is her telling Dothraki not to rape girls, that the unsullied should only harm slave masters, that she wanted to end slavery cuz it was wrong, and when olenna told her to burn KL she said no. And when those nobles surrendered she game them a chance to join her, if they didn’t want to then that was on them.
And there was actual buildup and reasons behind Avery’s’ fall to into madness. Most of his family died in a fire. All but three of his kids were stillbirths, miscarriages, or died as infants. People talked shit about him behind his back, saying his friend was better than him. And he was betrayed and held captive by a bannerman. So just like you said, Aerys went crazy after 20 years of shit while Dany was fine until episode 4 and then went crazy for no reason other reason than they needed to subvert our expectations.
@@rin_etoware_2989 remember when they had this level of cgi/scale? no? because of budget? because they don't have enough money for 10 episodes of basically movies?
"with the pesky shackles of *continuity* thrown out the window."
I don't I've ever heard you put so much disdain into a single word before, that shit was palpable lol
Hey, son.
@@BooGulley Hey Dad!
"Someone up on high [...] PATCHED the game ....!"
OMG, that's the best summary of this season!
Patch 08.06
After the complains of many users, we decided to buff dragon's agility by 20 percent and the "dragon fuel" by 50 percent.
You should do an improved defense plan for King's Landing, like how they could have taken better advantage of the Daenerys' mistakes.
Richard F. They couldn’t have used the iron fleet nor would their superior armor work because of the plot holes on John Snow’s side. God save the Queen as she witnessed such calamity...
I think they actually did a good job, I don't know if having the golden army outside is good but at least they are in the archers' range. Also, they showed in the previous battle that trebuchets exist in this word, so maybe they could've used some along the crossbows. But I don't know, I'm no invicta and I have no idea.
Also, as he mentioned, they failed by not firing the enemy when they were camping in range of the wall, that's their only real blunder I believe.
Just sige the city and whait they starv, becouses geting all suronding civilians before a sige is a great idea, they could have even get agent inside and poison any water suply forcing a surender or a final batel.
@King Wiwuz IV It's called "mass rez" and "wall hack". Plus "godmode".
That's quite common in heroic fantasy. But GoT should have been heroic fantasy.
Writers: Oh so you think you can do better?
EVERYBODY: YES.... YES WE I CAN
Microwave: BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZBEEEEEEEP...BEEEEEEEP...BEEEEEEEEEEP...BEEEEEEEEEP.
@@RotneybotOfficial Sweet, my popcorn is done
Not I
And then you will think you did better and I will still bitch about it like millions of other people....And then you'll get hate for trying to make something with your time and energy....That's the way it goes...
I puked at the guys sudden fan fiction out of nowhere
D&D at episode 3 behind the scenes: this was the end of Dothraki
Episode 5: Oink Oink Oink
"Pent-up frustration..."
They spent like 5 minutes in front of the walls.
On the other hand, I would be pretty frustrated if I had to participate in war after war after war ever since Robb Stark called his banners.
"I've never known any bells to mean surrender."
- Ser Davos Seaworth
Best of all, NOBODY in the city knew that it was supposed to be a signal meaning surrender. So point for Danny here.
Improved Battle Plan:
1. Don't burn the city.
It will okay to burn the city if there were any opposition from other houses. If they gave opposition of other houses like tally then city burning would be great warning.
Tell that to hulagu Khan
@@Mayurbhedru this and her not winning the siege without one casualty.
Even the Mongols regretted burning the library at Baghdad
Yeah the video is nice but this is just rewriting the scenario, not the actual battle plan.
They also screamed "fire" before the invention of gunpowder during the episode while they had all before said "loose" to 'fire' a volley of arrows.
They kinda forgot about their own setting.
Lot of medieval movies used "fire" at this rate.
I noticed this too. They'd have said loose or shoot. Definitely not fire.
Setting be damned after Starbucks.
@@gunnerr8476 GoT has always used the correct "loose" command in every season before this one
And that, kids, is what a Stuka and A-10 hybrid can do to a medieval military force.
C Alex For what do you need a Stuka, if you have an A-10 Thunderbolt ll?
Don’t forget about Calvary and Phanlanxes that never lose soldier
@@BavarianViking711 Dive bombing
Why only have the scorpions on the walls, I'd have them hidden all over the city, including my keep.
Maybe her infinite funds ran out.
Dany said no art
Apparently that wouldn’t work either cuz gotlogix
Are we not going to discuss how Cersei got ripped off? She paid for 20,000 men and 2,000 horses and she only got a 100 men and 1 freaking horse?
There were more than 100 men from the Folding Company in front of the walls. And at least 2 horses, Harry's and the one Arya found. Where the rest of the cavalry is a very good question. Did they switch sides and disguise themselves as Dothraki?
@@mikespangler98 makes sense actually, since the Dothraki somehow multiplied their numbers.
Considering how much blood was on it, I'm pretty sure Arya found a Dothraki horse
There were atleast 600-800 men and one horse.
Why didn't they think about it. They have been fairly accurate with portraying military strength.
they showed us little more than 1200 men on the screen actually xd
Maybe rhaegal shouldve survived last episode and died this one,killed on the order of Cersei,making Daenerys snap and just pillage the entire city
Еdit: Wow didnt expect this one to get all these likes,thanks guys!I guess we all agree on the fact D&D suck and have no idea how to write a story
No, that would require competent writing and critical thinking skills, things that D&D lack and actively refuse to obtain.
That woulda been a lot better
@@tokusatsukeyblade797 they do not lack that skill they just lost the motivation and so did some of the actors, everybody wanted to be done with it an move on. It's like school you have a great time but in the last year you don't really do anything and just want to finish it.
Stiliyan Atanasov
Yeh that’s good, I thought maybe seeing missandeis head on spike could’ve explained it as well
While I do think it would make sense in regards to Daenerys, you would need to explain how Jon survives riding Rhaegal when he is shot down or why he wouldn’t be riding him.
Season One : The seed is strong
Season Eight : The soup is thin
Cheer up. Given TV's love of series remakes (for example Hawaii Five-O 1968 & 2010, Battlestar Galactica 1978 & 2003), GoT will inevitably be remade at some point in the future, hopefully after GRRM has finally finished the story and while most of us are still alive.
> and while most of us are still alive
And then year 2020 happened
I dont know. Is the wheel of time series going well? They have a completed series and 14 books of material to work with.
@@spencervance8484 Thats on Amazon. Any competent showrunners could've adapted it but nah, its just the appetizer for the Lotr RoP which also looks trash.
The idea of going after the Red Keep causes the Wild Fire to go off, thus destroying the city , is right on. Much better and brilliant ending.
@pyropulse Not really, they teased at for 8 seasons. The Sept of Balor was also evidence of just how much wildfire there could have been. And it wouldn't have had to destroy the entire city, just enough to make it tragic.
Why is there still wildfire though, they used all of it in the battle of Blackwater
And then used even more of it to blow up the temple
I guess they just have an infinite supply of the stuff. Like Dany has an infinite supply of Dothraki and Unsullied
That would have been terribly predictible and blant.
It would be so much better if rheagal wasn't killed in episode 4, but instead killed in episode 5 after the bells started ringing. This would at least give Dany some reason to go crazy on the spot
well maybe before the bells started ringing.. cuz for him to get killed after surrender means that either one scorpion was left not destroyed or that it was knocked off the tower but somehow still usable and you need ppl to fire the shot and yeah no one that could realistically still be there to fire that shot would ever fire after hearing the surrender especially since he'd know that he can't kill both dragons in one shot and that there is no way he'd survive killing one of the dragons..
Well there is also this possibility czcams.com/video/v5llnbqhLZM/video.html which would absolutely work and absolutely not end up beheading the child because there is no way this old wood would be able to hold the draw power..
this, every other competent is a bunch of snivelling soy crying because the episode was too mean and violent. [really it was the shitpile that was episode 4 that set this up]. From the standpoint of making for an interesting twist and getting Cersei out of the picture as quickly as possible, I liked episode 8.
@@anasevi9456 what does soy has to do with any of this?
@@renarddubois940 or maybe a inner city scorpion waiting for the gank, it's stupid that all the anti air units are pointing outside and can't aim inside.... The only logical thing is to place them in the center of the city and 360 so they can u know cover the fucking city....
@@renarddubois940 some dumb shit made up by gymbro and repeated by idiots who think soy causes estrogen to rise in men. When they drink fucking milk from a cow (female) and eat other foods with similar properties. Throw in a subtle hint of racism as Asians consume the most soy products and idiots want to emasculate them and there we have the origins of the term soyboy.
Ah yes, Sun Tzu's section about plot armor was my favorite part in The Art of War as well.
Once GoT is over you should make similar videos on the series Vikings!
Like to make him see this
Well the Lannisters and Euron forgot how to aim their ballistas, but Danny didn’t forget about them - Dumb&Dumber
Also why is it that everyone in GoT insists on fighting outside their walls!!!
Ep5 was the first time a dragon showed it was capable of what GRRM wrote in the books.
They either watched the opening scene of the Mummy Returns or the End scene or Return of the King on loop.
Watch the movie Troy (with Brad Pitt), it is explained there.
well, generals sort of forgot what strategy is - Dumb&Dumber
@@Godzilla52 I have no clue why people hate the ending of the return of the king, its a big story that needs a big ending.
The writers kinda forgot what their own show was about
Why didn't this last season only focus on the White Walker threat? I could honestly care less about Cersei and the Iron Throne with the White Walkers gone, the greatest threat defeated. The entire battle of Kings Landing could have happened in Season 7: Just remove the Northmen and Golden Company, not like they did anything anyway.
It seems like they just want to finish the show. lol
Thank you for the nice video! I like all the information you said and I believe your idea on the episodes ending is a lot better that the one in the show.
You have some fantastic screen writing skills. Each of your scripts improving the GoT episodes this season have been really well thought out and have great themes & imagery.
Here's a suggested alternative ending I read somewhere: Have both the dragons survive until now (no 360 no scope in episode 4). Everything goes the same until the bells otherwise. Then, while the bells are ringing, a lucky shot (maybe by a civilian like suggested) kills one of the dragons. The people of King's landing cheer at its death because the dragons had inevitably caused also civilian deaths when destroying the scorpios. Enraged at the people cheering the killing of her beloved "child", Daenerys finally loses it and starts burning the cheering crowds.
I can live with this idea, drama wise it can justify her rage and incoming madness
THIS! It would have been a much more fitting death for Rhaegal.
God damn that would have been PERFECT!
So Euron cant hit a injured dragon in a ambush but a civilian could hit a less injured dragon... ?
@@PrintableCD1997 I think they should have injured but not killed Rhaegal, because that small ambush seemed entirely escapable. Then someone hits Rhaegal in the city. Civilian, soldier, whoever
I still dont know why cerci didnt just kill dany during the talk when has she ever showed any honor
Yup... that scene was dumb
I mean Drogon was just Standing their behind Dany exposed an im sure theirs like 8-10 Scorpions, plus a hundred archers. pointed at him an Dany. Cersei could just take the chance an shoot him and Dany. An end the war right their an then too be honest.
An Dany has like a contingent of Men with her all Cersei have too do is just open the gate and out comes hundreds of mounted knights and Men at Arms running at them an easily overwhelm.
@@InvictaHistory unfortunately the whole season is dumb
@@silentecho92able I guess we're supposed to believe that the scorpions can't shoot that far.. and realistically they shouldn't be able to shoot that far but after what we've seen against Rhaegal and the fleet in episode 4, they definitely CAN shoot that far..
@@renarddubois940 Its almost as if they thought we wouldn't notice that the Scorpions were able too shoot that far.
Revised battle plan for Cerci's side:
"Use all 20,000 men of the Golden Company mentioned in previous episodes, rather than just positioning 100 of them to stand outside the city walls gawking"
Horrible defensive strategy for a horrible offensive. I like your style.
This is my first day seeing your posts and wow! Thank you so much for tour episodes. I know what I watched on the show but I am leaving that in the trashcan of my memory. Your analysis and fix is the ending I choose. Love the battle plans for Winterfell, The battle of the siege and this video. Your videos are so well done and gave me a satisfying ending that redeemed my love for got. Thank you again.
"don't commit genocide" would be a good start (edit: it's hyperbolic for the joke guys)
I made a similar statement when discussing Genghis Khan and no less than 5 random comment warriors, insulting me for calling him a genocidal maniac. Yet here I see (at current likes), 23 other people agree'd with you. *Confusions intensifies*
@@LazyLifeIFreak It's almost as if different people on the internet have different opinions on different subjects sometimes! Shocking, I know.
@@xomm You'd think genocide was something we could all agree on was evil but it appears I am wrong.
@@LazyLifeIFreak I guess these people forgot that genocide was bad, like Daenerys.
google the word genocide pls
Invicta: *Mentions Siege of Jerusalem*
Everyone Else: "WHeRe ThE HElL iS pARt fOuR!"
WE WILL TAKE JERUSALEM!!!! DEUS VULT.
@@serplex1653 asslam walekum
WHR TH HEIL S SR OR?
ee h i pt fu?
Does HEIL mean something?
@@casparvoncampenhausen5249 it's a lowercase l you moron
It's clear that it was not George who wrote this. This season makes no sense whatsoever. I could stand the Night King falling in just one battle because of time and funds. But having in the episode before 100% accuracy scorpions and the episode after with 10x more scorpions 0%... C'mon they should have let raeghar die during the siege...
Davide Bic Rhaegal
D&D were offered 2 seasons to wrap everything up but only used 1 because they wanted to start directing Star Wars (which ended up falling through)
Not to mention the fact that scorpions were by no means a wonder weapon against dragons. The only time one was able to take down a dragon was by shooting it straight through the eye...
GRRM hasn't written anything since season 5
Man dude you should have written the scripts for this season i love your endings.
Luzifer Morgenstern This really all from a military POV. All of it is concentrated around season 8. MY rewrites go all the way back to season 6.
Rhaegal vs 3 crossbows-> winner crossbows
Drogon vs 100crossbow in the sea plus another 100 in the wall---> *Drogon wins!!* 🤨🤔🧐
Danny the champion "rider" was guiding drogon
@@TheDazzler420 The dragons seem to be exactly as powerful, or a weak, as the writers need them to be at that moment.
@@NexusCool1 why am I arguing about a show about fantasy, I don't know
@@TheDazzler420 i think it was about terrible writing...
Rhaegal was spec'ed for fast travel, after the incident Danny respec'ed Drogon fully into long range defence, arrows literally force themselves to miss Drogon.. the power of PvP builds
Improved battle plan: Just let Invicta write the script for GoT
Are you fucking serious? His ideas for "fixing" the episode are completely retarded. A child firing an scorpion and Daenarys just doing nothing? Someone "flipping a coin" at the end of the episode? That's idiotic.
And apparently he doesn't even pay attention to the show. Not all kingdoms are bendign the knee, Sansa and the North doesn't want her as Queen. And as soon as other kingdoms know she's not the one with a legitimate claim, nobody will bend the knee. So yes, inspiring fear to other cities is one possible explanation.
Having a CZcams channel doesn't qualify anybody to be a professional writer.
@@j.f.l.bousquet1998 You're wrong here, but Invicta forgot about cities or castles, which would surrender due to fear of getting sacked.
He could be a good battle adviser but not a good writer. The idea with the child firing a scorpion is too much.
(Not that the actual episode was better)
@@j.f.l.bousquet1998
She literally controls all of the seven kingdoms, even since season 7.
Jon is the ruler of North and he bent the knee, Grey Worm conquered the Rock and the Reach, the Dorne, the Vale, the Stormlands, the Isles and Rivers are allies to Daenerys.
Only Kings Landing is in Cersei's hands.
@@baab4229 Maybe not a child, but an adult civilian could have the same effect. Regardless, even if people role their eyes at that singular moment, the rest of his ideas are very good.
The idea of her just attacking the Red Keep in rage (which is much more plausible) only to actually set off the wild wire stashed by her crazy dad and become what she never wanted to out of a momentary lapse of judgement (but not outright insanity)...that's good shit right there. Tragic and sad as a fan, but well crafted and understandable; which is the epitome of GoT if you think about it. The current story that she just went bonkers for petty reasons after being a defender of the people the rest of the show made no sense. It is simply not believe able and thus ruins the impact of what she did.
The Mad King Arys wasn't just her ancestor. He was her dad.
He wasn't her father, but he was her daddy
In the books, he is her grandfather. In the show, he is her father.
@@fernandocoutogarcia4720 nah, Aerys is the father of Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys. Maybe you are confused with Jaehaerys, father of Aerys and Rhaella and the one who said that phrase about Targaryens and coins
And????
Your proposed redo was my exact solution to the episode! It felt so good to imagine the poetic justice of Daenaerys INADVERTENTLY destroying the city, or simply have Cersei blow up the wildfire as a last-ditch FU to Daenaerys successfully taking the city. Either way we get the same tragedy, but it makes Dany a more tragic character rather than the "insane" one we have now. That way she could potentially give up the queenship willingly, out of understanding that she was unworthy and find someone more worthy to sit on the throne.
Daenerys' dragon attack would've made sense if she attacked at night or something, with low visibility for scorpions to fire. And I agree they could have made the battle a lot more creative.
People would be pretty pissed about another dark battle episode, no matter that it would make tactical sense.
@@jasong4460 Not as pissed as they were about the episode
The dragonfire and natural lights would be enough to see whats going on. They artificially darkened ep3
Would be even funnier if archers knew it's pointless and tiring to hold a bow drawn for long periods of time but they had to do it cause Cercei demanded so, or they'd be executed.
And then ones arm gets tired, releasing an arrow like in the beginning of the battle of helms deep, giving reason to danys reaction
cercei: draw
archers draw their bows
Cercei: ...
archers: ...
Cercei: ...
archers: ma'am we ca...
Cerei: did i say you could speak?
archers: ...
arm gets tired and looses, proceeds to get dragged away screaming for mercy.
Did archers typically only draw once command was given to loose? I guess that they didn't draw and hold aim in wait because their arm would grow tired, thus aim/power would be compromised? Had never thought about this before...
your fan fiction endings give me the satisfaction I've been missing from the episodes. Thanks
These are ridiculously good videos: thanks for making them! If you haven't done them already, a series on the campaigns of Belisarius would be amazing.
improved battle plan: remove D&D
Yes pls
Replace them with invicta
I'd argue to have them publicly executed for their crimes against humanity and as an example.....
Plus i mean its not like their work is suddenly gonna improve with time.
Yeah hang them then feed their good meat to the dogs
@@marloyorkrodriguez9975 nah feed their remains to people who green lit s8
No dog deserves such vile food....if you could call it that
That moment when invicta is a much better screenwriter than the ones hired by HBO
D&D are nothing more than fanfic aswell
He's not a better screenwriter. It's piss easy to take something after the fact and "fix" it. Nearly anyone can do it when 99% of the work is already done for you. But people confuse that ability with being better writers which is not in any way true. If he was a better writer, he'd be the one making some hit show, not D&D.
I'm no fan of how the show has gone but I'm tired of people making out like the writers are just awful or the "worst writers of the modern era". They're not. They're highly talented. They clearly just gave up and don't care anymore and want to move onto something new so they're rushing it and can't put their full effort into the project anymore. The attention to detail and love and care shown before, is gone because they're jaded. At least that is how it seems.
You can write absolute turd but it doesn't mean you ARE a bad writer. Same as how you can BE an asshole but it doesn't mean you ARE one. Two seasons out of 8 are rushed and very poorly thought out. That doesn't make them poor writers overall.
Also I know you're just making a joke for laughs but I'm just sick of hearing people bash on the writers so much, despite myself hating the way the show has gone.
Jhakaro the show immensely lost quality after the sourcematerial of the books were missing.
Making D&D good in working out good scripts with given material, but not as writing themselves
@@Jhakaro *_THIS!_* Why do people immediately jump to the conclusion that DnD are drooling, self-defecating troglodytes, who would use a fork to drink soup to "surprise the audience," when it's clearly a case of them intentionally simplifying the plot to reach the largest demographic to cash in on the fame before dumping the show for an even bigger cash cow to milk (Star Wars)? It's such a fucking obvious deduction, I don't know why people are so quick to dismiss malice as stupidity, Game of Thrones should've taught them already that it's nearly always the former.
It's much easier to criticize what another has created than to create something yourself.
I think drogon's assault on the town walls should have been accompanied by an assault of infantry and archers to distract the defenders and to suppress the scorpion crews allowing Drogon to destroy the defenses with little risk to the dragon
Please do more of this series! I what battle you talk about, I just want the elaborate, historically accurate improvements you've talked about in these three episodes!
Improved battle plan:
-There is a battle plan
Somehow the fire breath becomes explosive now. Episode 3 jon hides behind a rock from part of the wall. 5 everything just bLows up
Already explained that that the zombie dragon was injured and had multiple holes in its face and neck which prevented the fire to be concentrated and therefore a lot weaker.
@@AznGotChen and yet no fire was coming out the other holes when it took out the winterfell walls
@@stevenldoe7838 not sure if u even watched the episode but at that point, it wasn't injured yet.
@@AznGotChen your just making excuses
@@stevenldoe7838 Lol well that's just what happened. I am sorry i cant bend reality to fit your poor arguments and excuses.
I love your analysis and your alternative ending to this bad episode
Awesome ending idea dude!
Love your videos
I think a good plan would be not to wreak havoc on innocent civilians with a dragon. Love this series, it's very cool and entertaining!
Yeah that was super disappointing to see. There were far better ways on getting to that point without the transition to mad queen being so jarring.
Improved Battle plan: Just send in Drogon ._.
I doubt that would work. Dragons need a rider to direct their attacks for greater efficency
Wonderfull Jin and watch him get shot
@@oam6626 I think drogon knows that he needs to burn the things with the pointy bits.. he would be fine
Dragons in the show are as intelligent as humans after all.
@@ravenknight4876 yeah thats right
I love how this guy is able to write a much better story then 2 experienced writers like D&D
The description of the final part of your fanfic gave me actual chills. It's almost like you put thought into the symbolism and writing, unlike some people.
That potential coin flipping ending of the episode is so awesome! It is terrible how bad this season is.
Fucking seriously. A fifth episode devoting basically all the screentime to the brutality of an _actual_ siege. Long, demoralizing, bloody, with a cliffhanger on Dany's snap and accidental chain-reaction-razing of the city (dramatic soap-opera-style reaction shots galore). Then the sixth episode, dour, hopeless, dark, with her struggling to regain confidence from all her allies who now doubt her sanity. Stick all the dramatic shit with the Hound, Cersei, and Jaime here, right as the Red Keep collapses from the strain of molten dragon fire. Dany can't even defend herself honestly, since she deliberately and intentionally scorch-earthed Red Keep to the ground, who could know she wouldn't have continued regardless of the (accidental) wildfire? Then the last scene (I suggest her execution/coronation, doesn't matter really). Cruelty of luck, inevitability of fate, Targaryens, whatever you want the coinflip to represent, and credits. Brilliant shit in comparison to DnD's rushed fanservice garbage.
Well with this latest patch that nerfed Qyburn's ballista's making it as accurate as a stormtrooper's bullet I honestly don't see how the siege could have been improved.
Actually I think the dragon part was realistic. I'm basing my knowledge on being flight sim and history nerd. What Dany did with her dragon was essentially dive bombing from the sky. The scorpions are clearly unable to aim exactly up. And as she descends to sea level, other vessels decide to not shoot either in dissarray or not wanting to cause collateral damage. Lead vessel shoots by order of Euron(he can't give the same order to the other vessels because they are too far), but by quite simple flight maneuvers she dodges the missiles launched at her, locates the lead boat and burnes it down.
@@TealJosh I agree with this as well. The idea that the dragon as "a divebomber" could have done the job shown, and the history of Targaryen conquering is "dragons are unbeatable". The issue comes down to optics for the user. We literally go from the scorpions sniping a dragon and ripping a fleet apart, to never even scratching drogon. While it could actually be realistic, its very hard for the audience to accept that when you spent a lot of screen time trying to convince them otherwise.
Luckily stormtroopers dont shoot "bullets"
The dragon that died by those bolts was caught unaware.
Danny learned from her mistake and expected them. A very fast moving target is really hard to hit with a single bolt.
Plus as soon as you see those a boat burning you are less likely to want to fight and more likely want to run!
GTpcGaming Also when Rheagal was shot down he was ambushed by Euron's fleet and had injured wings making him unable to fly as well so the scenarios are not quite the same.
Well done, love the poetic nature of your alternative events!
Damn! Your ending is the best. I love how you deliver it too.
*Fortunate Son starts playing*
*Mama-Dragon in the Air*
*Dragonfire deployed*
"Cersei don't surf!"
We train young dragons to breathe fire on people, but their mother won't allow them to write "fuck" on their foreheads because it's obscene!
What a great ending you came up with! Bravo! 👏👏I love it!
Saaaame even listening to it gave me the chills!!
Was just about to say- what a fantastic ending. A sad state though when a CZcamsr comes up with an ending to the worlds most popular series, that is much better than the actual end
Except she is supposed to end up ruthless and bloody and insane. She's always been foreshadowed as that, and had an entire arc in the latest book which ended by her rejecting peace and compromise for fire and blood.
Bohin The Chills were very real. Thats how I knew I loved it haha
It may be better, but it would change the lore that J R R Martin himself intented since season 1, she wouldn't be the mad queen anymore, just poor queen who has done misscalculations with her dragon, nobody could now judge her for the burning of king'slanding anymore because it was not her original intentions.
That finale... BRAVO! BRAVO! AMAZING
Love your suggested ending. Spot on!!! An order of magnitude above what was written and presented.
Your improvements are 10x smarter. The wildfire explosive could trigger the sacking of kings landing by daenarys forces😂😂
Not only that, but it could have given Jamie a chance to choose between his love of Cersei and the citizens of King's landing again. Cersei could have revealed to Jamie that her plan is to blow Dany's forces up with wildfire, and Jamie at that moment realizes that she needs to be stopped. Thus he becomes both the kingslayer and the Queenslayer.
I want someone to recreate this season with Invicta at the head - pure history porn
Why should it be historic?
@@marshallbowdrie8562??
Leon its fucking fantasy! Why Should it be realistic?
@@PrintableCD1997 it should make sense within it's own universe, which season 8 does not, not at all
Yeah, and Invicta should redo season 7 while he's at it.
Loving your take on these battles! I hope when Game of Thrones is done you'll do some more for other series or films!
Great content, you've earned the subscription. Keep going my friend
Dany's army had the strongest armor imaginable...
PLOT ARMOR!!!
Starks have the strongest plot armor. Arya is inmortal and Jon is forgiven by Drogon and the unsullied.
She didn't _sack_ the city so much as _raze_ it.
Very, very nice =) Ty! I even got emotinally moved by your thoughts on the ending
I've watched all your GoT videos and I convince myself that is the real game of thrones season 8
"with the pesky shackles of... continuity... thown out the window"
lmao
"This scene was very painful to watch" - that is what describes my impressions really well
Damn, your rendition gave me chills. Good job, that's the sort material fans crave!
Love these vid's for the last season
Sacking the city option 4: for loot, but since the city itself is the prize, it's not valid either
this season has made absolute sense.....in only d&d's mind's......and the people from the burlington bar.
Great video. That alternate episode ending gave me chills.