280 SL vs. 500 & 560
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I worked, serviced , repaired and maintained all of these wonderful Mercedes in my Mercedes Benz garage in Pasadena California established in 1959 well into the late 90s . Your information is outstanding.
I agree..I have a 68 w113 and it is an awesome car on back roads (especially the sound) and around town but on the freeway 70 mph it is screaming along at 4k rpm!..My father had a 107 500 sl and it was such a nice car for road trips and was a very reliable car for its 150k miles he put on it. I think the 107 doesn't get the love it deserves
In Europe they are better liked but I do agree
The W113 is DEFINITELY the more desirable of the two cars. Despite loving my R107, I wish I had a W113 ... but they cost four times the price!
Exactly...lol
The 107 280SL is a real gem too! Especially if it's a Euro D Jet m110. Quite the performer.
I agree with you Pierre. Although I don’t know a lot about 113’s. I’ve always wanted one. I didn’t know the 107 was more rigid/tough/well built than the 113. That was interesting! I do like the chrome and build quality of the 107. It’s just amazing! The THUD of the doors! People comment a lot when they hear me close the doors of my little tank!
Also you can take stuff apart and it goes back together flawlessly, whereas newer cars all the fasteners break and it never looks the same or the gaps show. Not with my 107!
The 113 can be tricky to reassemble too.
Pierre Hedary wow! I haven’t taken the dash apart yet, so I probably don’t know what I’m talking about. Lol
Love my 107, drive him almost daily as long as thee isn't any snow on the ground
Very well done. Excellent topic, presentation & scenerio. Thank you, Pierre, Thomas.
+walt partymiller you’re welcome, thank you so much for watchand commenting if you know anyone else who needs Pierre’s services please let them know about us. Thomas
Thank you Thomas for documenting, sharing and supporting Pierre's work.
They rally raced the hell out of the 107, The rear control arms are made to pivot on the axle to help prevent oversteer.
Awesome video. Thank you for providing an elaborate description of these cars: fun to watch. Big fan of your channel.
Thank you
So much knowledge and well described. Thank you for your time
thank you!
Just found your channel, great information. As a Mercedes owner and a 107 fan this was good stuff, thank you.
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Great information and breakdown guys 👍
Excellent and interesting review------2 great automobiles !! Thanks Pierre
Thank you
Great comparison Pierre, I just purchased a w-107, SL500 love it!!!The 72 280SE is another story. Thanks for the informative video.....
Thank you for your purchase :):)
Excellent!! Great comparison Pierre. Thomas, great atmosphere and look shot with a bit wider lens 👌 get to see more of the cars in the workshop.
I knew they would like it
Thank you. Great content. These are two on my favorite Mercedes W113, R107 along with the W114/115. I sold my 1965 230SL that I had since 1978 in 2010, my only regret.
Fantastic video. fantastic presentation. Thanks!
Thank you
Awesome in depth look, learned a lot
Thank you
I have a 560SL, 380SL and two 280 SL'S and love all of them!!
Fascinating!
Outstanding review
thank you
I never warmed up to the 107. Maybe because it was produced for too long. By mid 80s it was already outperformed by the competition. It always seemed to me like there should've been a model between the 107 and 129. The 113 is a masterpiece.
Replacing the 107 was a huge challenge for Mercedes.
Shouldn't the R107's designers and engineers be given the respect and appreciation they deserve? The R107 saved the roadster concept. The SL legend might easily have ended abruptly with the W113. The R107 doesn't have the exquisiteness of the Pagoda model but it does have a timeless quality about it. It still looks fresh and relevant on the roads today in a way that the W113 doesn't.
The reality is that the R107, designed with V8s from launch, ticked all the boxes required in its target market, the USA. It had virtually no competition within its market segment throughout its entire production run and was a "classic" before the last one rolled off the production line.
Good Video Pierre .!! Euro 500SL 's are a great ride but so are the W107 280 SL "s with a 5 speed. The one I am looking for is the early 450SLC 5.0 rare hard to find . Don't be pushing those cars around by yourself you will wind up like me with bad KNEE'S Just had my right knee replaced last week .
I love my '89 560SL everything else is a KIA to me
Gotta live those Tri -Y's
Saw that to!!
You noticed :)
The W113 is a toy compared to the R107, although the gearbox seems to feel more sportscar like than the R107 and Mercedes gave the R107 their most Iconic styling unmatched by anything except the E type Jaguar of 1961.
Good stuff
spoken with authority....respect from england.....i drive m110 D Tronik w114 coupe;...
280ce!!! Awesome!!!!
I'm pierrs biggest fan !!!!
+Zen Jamin LOL thank you so much. Thomas
Pierre, great video. What about the r107 280sl with the m110?
I was about to make the same question... lol
Those are wonderful cars...esp. with the 5 dpeed
If I wanted a convertible I am pretty sure I'd want the next model, the 129 (SL500) due to the huge improvements in comfort and convenience. Those rides are sexy as hell, much faster and the auto top is soooo much nicer than doing it manually.
The r129 is a tough car to restore. I would caution anyone about getting one unless is a low mileage late version
The r107 is what got me I to Mercedes but was not impressed with the interior quality vs a w126. And they rust pretty badly in my area. But I figured out something. The 560 sl had the nicest interiors in leather and all the options, I can find a clean smog exempt 380 450 sl or SLC and transplant all of the 560 sl parts into it, wiring and all. Then euro 560 engine and full on catless tri y exhaust. I may finally get my silver on red r107 that way
I like your idea esp. with an SLC.
Your shop is so nice, filled with all those epic cars WOW. I would like to own the 113 its beautiful. Are the headlights the same on a W115? W113
No, they were unique to the W113 and came in 3 variations, rounded sealed beams for US cars and either flat or convex single glass units for the rest of the world :-)
Both of them look great...but they are similar
Couldnt help to notice the OM616/617 start up in the background at end of video?
It's a 602.... But it sounds like a 617 bc of camera
107 is not a rigid car unless you close the top or put the hard top on. I have a 1981 with absolutely zero rust and low miles. But it shakes like a leaf when the top is off. It’s a good car, I like it non of the less.
Suddenly I see it. Or is it just me? You are the Bob Ross of MBZ..
Of
Haha hence my screen shot
Hi Piere,I am a fan of you comments of theMercedes Benz brand.I would like to know what do you think of the 107 SLC and which one in the best model.
Best Regards
Álvaro Peña,from Bogotá Colombia
Hands down the 107s are more attractive if you’re into a Mercedes with a park bench at the front and rear. Lol
I always have a place to sit when outside of my 1985 380SL
Ouch I will never look at betsy the same again !!! I ENJOY sitting between two park benches ! Is somthing wrong with me ? Do I have a false sense of social acceptance while driving this car ? What shall I do with my life ?
Those park benches are a great defense mechanism
I really prefer the cosmetics and build structure of the 113 but I know if you want speed. The r107 is the route. But I find the exhaust note of the 280sl buzzing to just be heart pounding exciting (:
I think we need to take my.280 on a road trip
@@thisisnightshop2037 give me your 280 !.... lol 😝
It would be very cool to do so! Count me in. I’m excited to see the car !
Hey can I get your advice on a purchase
Next you should compare the R129 with the R107, srengths and weaknesses ( i have 90 300SL )
I agree I would love to get Pierre's opinion on the r129 earlier and later models
Yes please Pierre. Also, can the R129 be considered to be an 'SL' expression of the W124, or not?
@@TOONACEDRELA in a way yes
I am.not sure if you guys would like it ...
@@thisisnightshop2037 that's ok, your opinions and experience is why i like your channel
Anti squat rear end was not a option, but came on the higher torque and shorter wheel base cars. All euro 4.5, no NO US 4.5, Euro 380sl, no 380slc or US 380sl got anti-squat. All 5.0 and 5.6 got anti squat, and no 6 cylinder or 3.5 got anti-squat. I can’t remember if the 420sl got anti-squat, but logically they should.
I am interested in putting anti-squat in my stick shift r107 cars.
That's correct only our 560 got.it
Don't forget the W/R107 line has a 280SL also which is the M110 motor driven european model
Yes, I have one of those. They are European spec autos.
They are amazing cars. We have one in the shop that I want to do a video on
I have a 72 350/450 SL. Driver quality but no rust. How does this compare to the 560 models?
The early 107 is a more.pure design. I especially love the 350
I have them both, I keep cleaning the 280sl and eventually I drive the 560sl. These 2 cars like the Americans and the the British, one nation separated by the same language!!!
That's a great analogy
Hi Pierre ! Great video !. Been waiting for this for a while. I guess it seems to boil down to the 113 is a thing for the heart and the 107 is a thing of the head. If you had to have one to drive relatively frequently and for long distances at reasonable ownership cost seems the 107 is it. But for long term value and overall desirability the 113 seems to win.
That's correct. I own both the Slc and the 113. And they are both good
Pierre - I have to say, mechanically, my 1977 450SL has been stellar. It definitely feels like a 'tough' car. I'm lucky have have advice and help from my friends at Star Garage (Margate) & you of course! Considering I'm $11k into it after almost 4 years, I'm doing well so far. (which includes custom touches you may or may not agree with).
Question. Is a 500SL or 560SL 'that' much better than a 450SL performance wise. I'm happy with mine but sometimes, I get jealous of the rarity of the 500SL or the modern touches of a late model 560SL. It seems that prices are all over the place. Sometimes I wish I had the more modern touches but overall, I think I'm doing ok.
The 560 is a better performer but the 4.5 engine is tougher. 560 is more fuel efficient but needs premium
Whats your take on the SLC? It seems to be pretty much ignored in the US, but apparently the germans are quite fond of it - or so I heard...
Yes. Another interesting topic.
I own two of them, so...:)
HI Sir I have 1972/280s/6yl
Having problem with leaky carb need rebuilding (gum up)
Car is stored
? How to remove these 2 carb to rebuild
The outer4 bolt is ok but the inner can't get to it
Help with thahks
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Is that a crack in the left side of the front sub-frame @ 4:34?
Well spotted!
Isn't that a known common defect?
I hope not...I will look ! Thank you
@@Oregon696969 The known defect is the early 80's US model cars was weak connection points where the lower control arms bolt to the sub frame. The tab could bend, crack, or even break off of the car got curbed real hard. MB offered gusset plates to weld in and reinforce the tabs.
What about the 380?
Thanks Pierre. I will never sell my W113.
thats what I tell myself
Owned mine for 25 years. She’s off getting a multi-year nut and bolt restoration now. Can’t wait to have her back and, agree, will never sell.
Hi Pierre,
You need to get yourself a lav mic.
Great car other than the 190's were underpowered
BEHOLD!!! Can't stand the R107...I'd pick a R129 any day of the week!
well, they are not for everyone
I’d like to know where all you people are getting R107 500 SLs...since they weren’t sold in the US. They’re rare as hen’s teeth around here. We got 450s, 380s, and 560s...finding grey-market 500s is a lesson in frustration and mis-labeled eBay auctions.
If we’re talking grey-market, let’s talk R107 280 SLs...now that’s a fun car.
Or better yet, any R107 with an LS swap... ;)
Lol...the 500sl is available in the States...you have to look hard but they are here
107 is a car u look at in a garage the 113 is a u look at then get in and drive no worries..
either one
I prefer the W114 coupe over the W113 .. I feel that the W113 is more a girly car. too small...
Julie Andrews drove a 280SL in the 1980 Movie "10"
Julie Christie drove one in 'Shampoo'
Audrey Hepburn...two for the road!
The 107 is a shortened sedan without a roof whilst the 113 is a sports car. Joubert x said it right. I prefer the girlfriend...
lol! i like them both...is that wrong?
The 380SLs are just as durable.
The real question, will a W115 ever be worth more than a used sofa?
Yes.
You like my 350SLC snow drifts?
I could use some driving lessons
I'm in Romania
@@G55STEYR haha I guess I won't have the opportunity to learn how to snow drift
There's no comparison between the 113 and the 107. They're vastly different cars. And the only 129 worth a shit is the sl600
G J what 129 hurt you?
@@kent5563 why have 8 0r 6 when you can have 12?
Why have a 12 that leaks like a faucet and hydraulic suspension that is unreliable at best when you can have an 8 with plenty of power and zero reliability issues?
@@kent5563 havent had any problems with mine and will gladly leave any 119 or 104 powered car in the dust.
Cheers
Ahh....I have a R129 / 320 and am although happy with her (smile).
You need a new cameraman
You need a new attitude