Homeowner here: The work was done by a friend who didn’t know what he didn’t know and we didn’t know he didn’t know. 🤷♀️. You get what you pay for and the rest of the work he did was well done. He put in the kitchen and it was done correctly. Lesson learned. Showers are a completely different animal and should be left to professionals. We HIGHLY recommend Isaac Ostrom!
I just finished completely redoing my shower. Tore everything down to the studs, rebuilt, replaced galvanized with PEX, added a new tub, then did 4” x 8” subways tiles on three walls including a shelf. It took me 31 days lol but I took my time and was meticulous in detail. I really hope it holds up
Need to do a Step-by-Step é How to build a a tile shower video. I've watched a few of your videos and I'm now convinced that I will purchase a shower base/pan and then tile walls. I just don't want any longterm headaches.
Hey Bud, love you’re videos. One important recommendation, always wear ear protection when working with those loud noises in enclosed areas. Over time it will matter.
You are right on that. My coworker now wearing hearing aids after doing few tunnel construction projects. He stays positive, says if I want to relax at home I just turn the volume down 😂
Dude, you made my day. My installers embedded the hardibacker into the mud pre-slope, and I had them pull it out and re-do it. I showed them video after video before they started on what happens to hardibacker when moisture wicks up the wall and repeatedly told them NOT to install it that way. They were pissed until I presented the instructions to them in Spanish...they were pretty sheepish after that but tried to double-down telling me they *always* do it that way. They're so tied to doing it the way they've always observed it being done, they won't even accept the manufacturer's install instructions. At any rate, it's nice to get validation from someone who clearly knows what they're doing that I wasn't just overreacting.
That's what's holding me back from redoing mine, I don't know enough about this stuff and I feel like they're just going to put the cheapest shit in there and cut corners and I would have no way of really knowing
We're having some issues with one of our bathrooms as well, and we're hesitant to even call any contractors since we have no clue how to separate a good and honest contractor from bad ones as we have zero knowledge in these matters, so we've just been avoiding using our master bathroom completely for the past 10 months. We're afraid to end up with somebody telling us we have to blow out or entire bathroom when it might not be necessary (or vice versa, with somebody giving us a quick fix which might make things worse). Even though we live in Sweden where some rules and regulations might be different your videos are tremendously helpful, so thank you for sharing your knowledge! Also, thank you for the heads up on the niche details - this is a great example of something a Iayman as myself would never realize might cause a lot of headaches down the road, so if we end up remodeling our entire bathroom we'll say thank you but no thank you to these kinds of offers from any contractors.
Wish I saw your vids a year ago. Builder basically did everything in this video. Luckily they used big tiles on the floor and after a few weeks the mastic turned to soup and the floor tiles popped up. After that I researched like crazy and learned what a good shower is supposed to look like and made them redo the entire thing while I watched.
@@beerbeforebreakfast Yeah, I was lucky. They actually redid it twice. First just the floor, so I researched and then made them rip out the entire shower. Thought I was going to have to sue them, but they came around, probably realized they weren't going to win that war.
Hammer + tile+ no glasses = ER visit... Experience talking... not hating, just saying I bet no one wants the demon shard of tile in the eyeball, it feels awesome... sarcasm
as a tile setter of almost 20 years and having many shards go into my eye, for the first time ever (summer of 2020) I got a tiny shard of polished porcelain in my eye that i could not get out. It was the most incredible pain I have ever experienced and had to do my best to keep my eye still and not even blink. I searched and searched but could not find the shard in my eye so a co-worker had to drive me to the hospital and 2hrs later my eye was frozen and the shard extracted. I was blown away at how small the shard was....literally like a grain or 2 of sand but the pain from it was phenomenal. I NEVER grind without glasses anymore EVER!
You and me both! It's main reason I haven't got around to getting any remodeling done on my house. Especially the bathroom! I want to redo 2 and build a half bath downstairs but after watching so many videos on CZcams I'm paranoid about hiring the wrong person lol. Too bad @TileCoach isn't in my area!
@@Harlow_Khmer hi yes!! The project took 6 months!! Started in early March and then beginning lockdown. Contractors were paranoid and not showing up. Sink plumber flooded the bathroom, tub plumber didn't install washer so tub filler faucet was leaking. Tile shower installer didn't ask how I wanted my tile patterns layout. General contractor threaten to walk away from the whole project which was weak and unprofessional. By July and August I got to enjoy my new bathroom briefly. Then sold it in September. It was a challenging project in a challenging time.
@@Harlow_Khmer It's worth the money. Had I not finished the project I would have lost 20% of the equity. Make sure to stick with budget and hire the right people. Best of luck with your projects.
Great...now I want to go tear apart my showers. 🤦🤦 This is what happens when people "flip" houses. Don't buy a "flipped" house that was remodeled in 3 months or less. So so soooo many cut corners.
Very interesting. Makes me even more cautious and less trusting. You can bet the guy that installed that shower said “i’ve been doing this for 30 years and never had an issue or complaint”.
@@justinofboulderNot great thanks for asking. Seems like we always are getting colds, URIs etc. In this state tenants have to right to use rent to fix issues if the landlord refuses. I was hoping to avoid that, but after the lazy patchwork he had done I fear I may need to get the tests you mentioned($$$) and go over his head.
Good work, you "nailed it! LOL". Great job pointing out that difference between Hardibacker and cement board, why you can't embed the hardibacker into the mud. One thing though, your mic keeps clipping. Is it the wireless transmitter, or the camera? Sometimes the transmitter has a 10DB pad button you can use to drop down the level. sometimes it's the audio input of the camera.
10:09 Or apply strips of wood to the wall studs to bring them out even with the shower pan (whatever type it may be), so the backerboard will be flat from top to bottom. Wall out of plumb❓ Tapered strips!
I hot mop all my showers. I cement float the walls and pan, I use versobond thinset. I've never once had a shower fail!! I've been doing this for 25 years and I've done 100's of these.
Jesaas 🤣🤣🤣......... I'm going through something like this now with the exception that the guy who framed,drywall,did the plumbing,electrical work and pour the shower pan claimed he was a general contractor. I'm 4 days into that job and it feels like a real bad dream.
You know what i been in the trade since 99 still lath scratch and float and always use hot mop i find you to be a pretty knowledgeable dude passing out sound advice theres too many clowns on here quick to schuck out bad advice and ill Techniques that will not last and would not pass code it’s nice to see someone on here knows their ass from their elbow
Isn't it just amazing how bad some of these shower are built? Mastic, no coverage, not that it would matter with mastic, hardie buried in the mud, which was actually concrete in this case. Not even a basic understanding on how a water in, water out system works. Homeowner is lucky he found you.
I just saved a homeowner, first contractor tried doing a water in water out system with no vinyl liner and a 100% Portland pan with about 20 mils of aqua defense... I'm just amazed he is counter suing the homeowner for lost profits
Hey Sal. I messed up using mastic on the shower walls. Do you think it’ll be ok if I back buttered? The shower will only get an every other day usage. Man I had to learn the hard way. I never heard of mastic until this video.
We just had a new shower installed in 2018. So far the installer has had to return 3 times for clogged. Each time cleaning out the weeping drains. Now we have mold and water damage to surrounding surfaces. I am concerned it was not installed correctly.
I understand Hardibacker and mastic are no good for showers, now call me dense, but what's wrong with concrete for shower pan construction❓ Holds too much water❓
Concrete expands when wet, i don’t think that constant moisture is good for concrete overtime. Did you hear about Miami condo collapse? They are investigating now, sounds like it has a lot to do with water damage.
My contractor used mastic in my shower. He said he does it all the time and never has a problem. I didn't like that answer, but 3/4 of the shower was already done. He said as long as it doesn't get wet (aka grout and caulk are in good shape, it will never be an issue). I sold the place after 2 years, so I do not know how it held up long term, but for the 2 years I had no issues.
We have one of those one piece acrylic showers (not an acrylic pan, the entire shower is made of acrylic) and they don't leak so it would have to be water on the floor that splashed out of the shower, but that's unlikely because the entire house is made of old growth Douglas Fir, and so it probably won't rot lol.
Omg shut up. He’s a grown a$$ dude. He can make his own decisions. If he doesn’t want to wear safety glasses or ear protection than he doesn’t have to. Worry about your own $hit
Even with creatboard, and waterproof materials, if you are lacking coverage, water sitting in there will create mold. Is there any reason people don't use epoxy grout? No matter what is going on behind the tiles, with the epoxy, and tile, water shouldn't be able to get behind there.
What a mess.... I had to pull my shower due to leakage and found many of the same issues.. nails through pan liner, in some cases voids in the walls with no sheetrock (greenboard) behind the substate on top of the green board.. just a freaking nightmare.. I am going back w/ the Schluter system and have watched countless videos and called them many, many times to ensure I am doing it right.. still no guarantees for sure, but hoping for better results..
6:50 you mention you can have 100% cement board at the pan level, but isn’t that still a no no? I can’t imagine putting anything touching the pan due to capillary action
Why not just back butter your tile so you will always follow your tile not the wall?,always been best for me just a little more pricey cause of use of thin set but will always have level and perfect coverage
@Isaac Ostrom @Sal Diblasi I thank God that you guys put out such wonderful, and informative content!l I'm a relatively new subscriber to both of your channels, but have been absorbing the great information for about 2 years. Together with becoming familiar with the Standards set by the TNCA I learned enough to motivate me to do my first ever tile job, and yes, it was also my first ever shower. I see you, cringing right now, I do - but let me also say that the shower I built was a third shower in the home, and not one that will be needed very often, and I understood at the outset that if I needed to, or wanted to, I'd tear it out and start over. What motivated me the most, was having a "Professional" tile shower done in my Master Bath, that went wrong in ways that happened too quickly for me to stop...so I have a shower that works, but it is now suspect in several ways. The shower has a Kerdi-Schluter foam shower pan, and curb, and Kerdi Board on the walls, and a Kerdi preformed niche. The shower walls have lippage beyond what would be reasonable, I have what looks like mold in the lowest course of tile, and the pan has depressed areas where standing water gathers, and must be squeegeed int to the drain. Oy! Because of what I learned however, the shower that I built was better in these ways than the "Professional" job. - because I'm on the East Coast, I followed Sal Diblasi's tutorials for the prep, preslope, liner, and mud bed rather than attempting a hot mop, and I used a combination of thinking while designing my curb - this was untreated 2x4 over concrete floor, and a Kurb Perfect plastic form form for floating. If you find any of this interesting, I'd gladly post some photos I took of the different stages, but I mainkly wanted to thank you both from the bottom of my heart for all the HARD work you do, and TIME SPENT making this content, that helps us DIY-ers!!! Keep up the great work! :)
I’m afraid i have to redo my shower, I wanted to wait a couple of years but everything seems to be failing. The grout falling off so the water goes behind the tiles which isn’t great for the foundation you can flood your neighbors if you live in a condo like me. The water collecting on the shelf and just today the shower door fell off. Whoever did the work did it very unprofessional lousy job. It will cost me a lot but it has to be done right.
I like to set my large format tiles with an Tavey hammer lots of people say they use there hand but then you break alot of tile. Using the shifting method is what I do for walls and if there large format I've been known to use the Tavey hammer with an couple taps here and there. I don't know how you feel about grout max but I like the product along with revealing tile should be recommended to all clients such as grout sealer epregnator every so often for longevity of tile.
I am planing to have the shower room remodel. The professional guy will do remodeling but who know. This video help me to understand what type of cement board is used for the shower wall. The installer told me he want to used PVC liner instead of hot mop. So is it ok using pvc liner over hot mop? and aslo do not use the hardi backer for wall right? great videos.
Hi Issac, I’m a novice tile DYI and I took noticed when you mentioned contractors using mastic. I just installed my shower wall tiles with Apei premium ready mixed mortar. How much of a problem will this pose and what are any remedies? Thanks Coach!
Mastic says it can be used on shower walls as long as it’s not a steam shower but I still wouldn’t trust it , it also says can not be used over red guard , over all would only use mastic on a backsplash or dry area walls
Hey Daniel, I didn’t do my due diligence when it came to using mastic for my shower walls and I also used it over a water proofing membrane. Is my shower still worth saving? Thanks
My bathroom tiles started popping out today..and the wood is gross and molding.. is my floor going to cave in. I live in a townhouse that burnt down.. we moved back I feel like we have black mold. Who do I call? I have black stuff coming out of my sink and shower.. I took photos of everything. And I know everything around the toilet and shower is wet somehow. How do I get the people I rent from to take this seriously? I feel like the cement under carpet in my room is also cracked. What should I do?
Usually I never do. Till I was useing a sds max to rip out tile and a shard punched through my contact. 1/6 over and would have lost the eye. Another thing to consider is there is more nerves in your eye than anywhere on the human body. Everyone will learn from that type of pain.
Curious if you can use sealed Hardie backer board in a mud bed? They sell presented Hardie backer with and agua defense. But there are other ways to seal backer board or cement board with hydroban or redguard? Or 8+9
And here is me thinking that cement board is just like cement...soaks in the water just like many other materials...just like my driveway....right? except it is water resistant...meaning it doesn't get damaged by water penetration (just like my driveway)...so in my false thinking,,,if the enough water somehow gets trough the tile/grout/seal to the cement board...it would become a leak, or the mold or whatever ...but the board it's self would not be destroyed by moisture...tiles would still be falling off of it. My point is...if you don't have a waterproof system in place behind the tiles then you're in trouble.
Now one advice to you... Don't push that hammer drill. Just press easly with fingers and you get the maximum impact. It's like you pushing a hammer instead of hitting. ;) And... I learned a lot from you. Thanks and have a lot of success in your next jobs.
Hi there nice video I know it's a old one am a bathroom fitter watching your video do you lads in the states use silicone notice non of it on this video. Do we rely only on grout for walls and floor lines as a water penetrating barrier. I have come across a lots of bodge jobs in my years from dot and dabbing hardly any coverage extreme lips and plumbing disasters even bad maintenance from client that also can lead to problems leaving it too long. Problem we have a lot of the time here is clients wanting to go for the cheapest quotation and end up paying more after the cheap and quick method didn't last long. Just what you get bad as each other. Some out there charge a premium but do poor quality work which you would probably find in every country. Nice mate keep it up
I just saw a bathroom with a new fiberglass shower pan and new tile had just been laid on the walls of shower and bathroom floor outside of shower pan and you could see the guy who put the tile in had used mastic. I know that's gonna fail in a couple years.
I run my concrete board to within 1/2" of the pan liner (I use a pre-slope then vinyl liner, no hot moping here in my area). Given that I am installing at least a 2" thick pan, the mud pan holds the lower 6" of backer against the framing. When I "pour" my pans, I make sure to pack the perimeter extra well (I like to use a 10" steel tamper to really pack in the edges).....
I did a shower once and when the glass shower door guys came to measure I heard them talking saying "unbelievable" and "are you sure that's right"? I thought there was a problem and I asked what's wrong, what's going on? They replied they had never seen a perfect parallel and square opening before. They checked it like 4 times each.
Question: What causes tile - after 10+ years to start to come off the wall? Not entirely but areas are hollow when knocking grout is coming out between so theres settling in those tiles. Any thoughts are appreciated.
Neil, most likely a number of things like in this video. Water damage back behind there, and/or poor coverage. Coverage doesn't matter if there's water back there though. If it's hollow when you knock on it, usually there's nothing behind that area of the tile. Sorry to hear it, but hope this helps
@@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet Thanks for the idea. Its odd. There is durarock or something back there. It started with 4 tiles 2 over 2. We popped them off and re-thinset them. Now the 4 (2 over 2) are doing it. Going to pull them and restick em. I will inspect better when we have them off to see. How does water get "behind" a tile? I think some water is expected? This is a wall opposite the spray head.
@@bigneilh No problem. Some water whether it be alot of moisture or little can start wreaking havoc on a shower. We often see the shower pan leak, it will find the low spot of the liner or subfloor if there is no liner, and water will seep into the CBU/backer board and the studs.. Since tile and grout are not waterproof, and neither is backer board, it's hard to say 100% what the issue is stemming from. Even durock soaks water up like a sponge. Not as bad as hardi backer, but we see it frequent enough. Waterproofing is an absolute must in my opinion. I'd like to be able to tell you your problem is from this 1 problem. But that wouldn't be reasonable. It could be anything really. But just know..... If you have grout falling out, and tile coming loose, there's most likely a bigger underlying issue
Also, no.... You want absolutely no moisture behind the tile. Period. I don't even like the old mud beds that were built to hold moisture that went below the substrate. But walls most certainly should stay dry 100% of always. 👍
You should wear safety glass before hammering the tiles, small particle of the tiles are very dangerous. Otherwise I love your video. Keep doing good work.
you see the age of the customer two things come to mind one you get what you pay for if price is too good to pass on then maybe you should, two the people who did work were unsupervised if you are not comfortable with the scope of the work then have someone knowledgeable about fundamentals inspect do not wait a year to do. in canada a real certified red seal tile inspector will come residential or commercial i have no fear of him i might even learn something from him cheers
Homeowner here: The work was done by a friend who didn’t know what he didn’t know and we didn’t know he didn’t know. 🤷♀️. You get what you pay for and the rest of the work he did was well done. He put in the kitchen and it was done correctly. Lesson learned. Showers are a completely different animal and should be left to professionals. We HIGHLY recommend Isaac Ostrom!
Yeah the friend must have been having some hard time. Too bad.
I just finished completely redoing my shower. Tore everything down to the studs, rebuilt, replaced galvanized with PEX, added a new tub, then did 4” x 8” subways tiles on three walls including a shelf. It took me 31 days lol but I took my time and was meticulous in detail. I really hope it holds up
What type of water proofing did you use?
Need to do a Step-by-Step é How to build a a tile shower video. I've watched a few of your videos and I'm now convinced that I will purchase a shower base/pan and then tile walls. I just don't want any longterm headaches.
Hey Bud, love you’re videos. One important recommendation, always wear ear protection when working with those loud noises in enclosed areas. Over time it will matter.
Was about to say the same lol
Amen to that. The noise will cause you to go deaf when you get older.
Same with knee pads. I'm 40 now and tile has given me daily swollen knees. You don't hurt till you hurt then it always hurts.
You are right on that. My coworker now wearing hearing aids after doing few tunnel construction projects. He stays positive, says if I want to relax at home I just turn the volume down 😂
Dude, you made my day. My installers embedded the hardibacker into the mud pre-slope, and I had them pull it out and re-do it. I showed them video after video before they started on what happens to hardibacker when moisture wicks up the wall and repeatedly told them NOT to install it that way.
They were pissed until I presented the instructions to them in Spanish...they were pretty sheepish after that but tried to double-down telling me they *always* do it that way. They're so tied to doing it the way they've always observed it being done, they won't even accept the manufacturer's install instructions.
At any rate, it's nice to get validation from someone who clearly knows what they're doing that I wasn't just overreacting.
Lesson learned: Hire contractors that speak English as a primary language.
I concur.
That's what's holding me back from redoing mine, I don't know enough about this stuff and I feel like they're just going to put the cheapest shit in there and cut corners and I would have no way of really knowing
We're having some issues with one of our bathrooms as well, and we're hesitant to even call any contractors since we have no clue how to separate a good and honest contractor from bad ones as we have zero knowledge in these matters, so we've just been avoiding using our master bathroom completely for the past 10 months. We're afraid to end up with somebody telling us we have to blow out or entire bathroom when it might not be necessary (or vice versa, with somebody giving us a quick fix which might make things worse). Even though we live in Sweden where some rules and regulations might be different your videos are tremendously helpful, so thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Also, thank you for the heads up on the niche details - this is a great example of something a Iayman as myself would never realize might cause a lot of headaches down the road, so if we end up remodeling our entire bathroom we'll say thank you but no thank you to these kinds of offers from any contractors.
Exactly! Same here man
Wish I saw your vids a year ago. Builder basically did everything in this video. Luckily they used big tiles on the floor and after a few weeks the mastic turned to soup and the floor tiles popped up. After that I researched like crazy and learned what a good shower is supposed to look like and made them redo the entire thing while I watched.
Thats very satisfying to hear! Most times they get away with it.
@@beerbeforebreakfast Yeah, I was lucky. They actually redid it twice. First just the floor, so I researched and then made them rip out the entire shower. Thought I was going to have to sue them, but they came around, probably realized they weren't going to win that war.
Thank you for all of the "to do & what not to do" details in your videos! Much appreciated!
I discovered your channel after I started on my shower. These videos worry the crap out of me, but I just have to watch.
Oh God me too!
Hammer + tile+ no glasses = ER visit...
Experience talking... not hating, just saying I bet no one wants the demon shard of tile in the eyeball, it feels awesome... sarcasm
as a tile setter of almost 20 years and having many shards go into my eye, for the first time ever (summer of 2020) I got a tiny shard of polished porcelain in my eye that i could not get out. It was the most incredible pain I have ever experienced and had to do my best to keep my eye still and not even blink. I searched and searched but could not find the shard in my eye so a co-worker had to drive me to the hospital and 2hrs later my eye was frozen and the shard extracted. I was blown away at how small the shard was....literally like a grain or 2 of sand but the pain from it was phenomenal. I NEVER grind without glasses anymore EVER!
I liked the way you diagnosed the problem and pointed out the installation flaws. Great video Isaac.
Having such anxiety hiring the right bathroom contractor for tiling/waterproofing. So many fails and crooks out there.
You and me both! It's main reason I haven't got around to getting any remodeling done on my house. Especially the bathroom! I want to redo 2 and build a half bath downstairs but after watching so many videos on CZcams I'm paranoid about hiring the wrong person lol. Too bad @TileCoach isn't in my area!
Did you ever get any work done on your bathroom? Your original comment shows you posted it 1 year ago.
@@Harlow_Khmer hi yes!! The project took 6 months!! Started in early March and then beginning lockdown. Contractors were paranoid and not showing up. Sink plumber flooded the bathroom, tub plumber didn't install washer so tub filler faucet was leaking. Tile shower installer didn't ask how I wanted my tile patterns layout. General contractor threaten to walk away from the whole project which was weak and unprofessional. By July and August I got to enjoy my new bathroom briefly. Then sold it in September. It was a challenging project in a challenging time.
@@tammystewart10 😱😱😱😱😭😭😭😭😭
@@Harlow_Khmer It's worth the money. Had I not finished the project I would have lost 20% of the equity. Make sure to stick with budget and hire the right people. Best of luck with your projects.
Great...now I want to go tear apart my showers. 🤦🤦 This is what happens when people "flip" houses. Don't buy a "flipped" house that was remodeled in 3 months or less. So so soooo many cut corners.
Very interesting. Makes me even more cautious and less trusting. You can bet the guy that installed that shower said “i’ve been doing this for 30 years and never had an issue or complaint”.
Is my shower failing? Yes. Is my landlord too cheap to fix it properly? also yes.
How is your health? Google HERTSMI and ERMI mold testing if you have any
@@justinofboulderNot great thanks for asking. Seems like we always are getting colds, URIs etc. In this state tenants have to right to use rent to fix issues if the landlord refuses. I was hoping to avoid that, but after the lazy patchwork he had done I fear I may need to get the tests you mentioned($$$) and go over his head.
I could talk to your landlord for you I have ways of persuading people
to do things they don't want to do...... you know what i'm saying.
Good work, you "nailed it! LOL". Great job pointing out that difference between Hardibacker and cement board, why you can't embed the hardibacker into the mud. One thing though, your mic keeps clipping. Is it the wireless transmitter, or the camera? Sometimes the transmitter has a 10DB pad button you can use to drop down the level. sometimes it's the audio input of the camera.
10:09 Or apply strips of wood to the wall studs to bring them out even with the shower pan (whatever type it may be), so the backerboard will be flat from top to bottom. Wall out of plumb❓ Tapered strips!
Double Dare Fan exactly what I do. I don’t hot mop though. I prefer the vinyl pan liner
Good work. Bro, please use safety goggles. Also make sure u post the finish work
was thinking the same thing lol
Hello friend, greetings from Uzbekistan.
FYI no tile,, we only carpet our showers here in Uzbekistan.
PL,EASE WEAR EYE PROTECTION.. I HAVE A ONE EYE FRIEND THAT DID NOT WEAR SAFETY GLASSES CHIPPING CEMENT...
How come we never see you fixing the problems? Is there video in here fixing this issues ..
I hot mop all my showers. I cement float the walls and pan, I use versobond thinset. I've never once had a shower fail!! I've been doing this for 25 years and I've done 100's of these.
Jesaas 🤣🤣🤣......... I'm going through something like this now with the exception that the guy who framed,drywall,did the plumbing,electrical work and pour the shower pan claimed he was a general contractor. I'm 4 days into that job and it feels like a real bad dream.
You know what i been in the trade since 99 still lath scratch and float and always use hot mop i find you to be a pretty knowledgeable dude passing out sound advice theres too many clowns on here quick to schuck out bad advice and ill Techniques that will not last and would not pass code it’s nice to see someone on here knows their ass from their elbow
Isn't it just amazing how bad some of these shower are built? Mastic, no coverage, not that it would matter with mastic, hardie buried in the mud, which was actually concrete in this case. Not even a basic understanding on how a water in, water out system works. Homeowner is lucky he found you.
I just saved a homeowner, first contractor tried doing a water in water out system with no vinyl liner and a 100% Portland pan with about 20 mils of aqua defense... I'm just amazed he is counter suing the homeowner for lost profits
@@TileCoach *the wrong youtube videos
@@TileCoach What are some questions a customer should ask an installer before hiring them? For example, do they use Mastic in their showers?
@@newvisionremodeling8892 Aqua defense can be used as a pan liner if you use a fabric and required thickness.
Hey Sal. I messed up using mastic on the shower walls. Do you think it’ll be ok if I back buttered? The shower will only get an every other day usage. Man I had to learn the hard way. I never heard of mastic until this video.
We just had a new shower installed in 2018. So far the installer has had to return 3 times for clogged. Each time cleaning out the weeping drains. Now we have mold and water damage to surrounding surfaces. I am concerned it was not installed correctly.
I understand Hardibacker and mastic are no good for showers, now call me dense, but what's wrong with concrete for shower pan construction❓ Holds too much water❓
Concrete expands when wet, i don’t think that constant moisture is good for concrete overtime.
Did you hear about Miami condo collapse? They are investigating now, sounds like it has a lot to do with water damage.
So much fail going on here. It hurts by eyeballs. Yikes. Good thing it won't be done wrong again 👍
My contractor used mastic in my shower. He said he does it all the time and never has a problem. I didn't like that answer, but 3/4 of the shower was already done. He said as long as it doesn't get wet (aka grout and caulk are in good shape, it will never be an issue). I sold the place after 2 years, so I do not know how it held up long term, but for the 2 years I had no issues.
Never has a problem. In other words, it lasts long enough that someone else gets paid to fix it.
So much hackery in such a small space!
We have one of those one piece acrylic showers (not an acrylic pan, the entire shower is made of acrylic) and they don't leak so it would have to be water on the floor that splashed out of the shower, but that's unlikely because the entire house is made of old growth Douglas Fir, and so it probably won't rot lol.
omg protection bro, eyes and ears.
Omg shut up. He’s a grown a$$ dude. He can make his own decisions. If he doesn’t want to wear safety glasses or ear protection than he doesn’t have to. Worry about your own $hit
Even with creatboard, and waterproof materials, if you are lacking coverage, water sitting in there will create mold. Is there any reason people don't use epoxy grout? No matter what is going on behind the tiles, with the epoxy, and tile, water shouldn't be able to get behind there.
What a mess.... I had to pull my shower due to leakage and found many of the same issues.. nails through pan liner, in some cases voids in the walls with no sheetrock (greenboard) behind the substate on top of the green board.. just a freaking nightmare.. I am going back w/ the Schluter system and have watched countless videos and called them many, many times to ensure I am doing it right.. still no guarantees for sure, but hoping for better results..
The one thing I've learned from watching your videos.... Seems no one knows how to install tile for a shower lol
My contractor that built 3 showers in my house certainly didn't
6:50 you mention you can have 100% cement board at the pan level, but isn’t that still a no no? I can’t imagine putting anything touching the pan due to capillary action
Thanks for the channel, I made some of the same mistakes years ago. I like the new systems on the market now. Much better waterproofing
Why not just back butter your tile so you will always follow your tile not the wall?,always been best for me just a little more pricey cause of use of thin set but will always have level and perfect coverage
@Isaac Ostrom @Sal Diblasi I thank God that you guys put out such wonderful, and informative content!l I'm a relatively new subscriber to both of your channels, but have been absorbing the great information for about 2 years. Together with becoming familiar with the Standards set by the TNCA I learned enough to motivate me to do my first ever tile job, and yes, it was also my first ever shower. I see you, cringing right now, I do - but let me also say that the shower I built was a third shower in the home, and not one that will be needed very often, and I understood at the outset that if I needed to, or wanted to, I'd tear it out and start over. What motivated me the most, was having a "Professional" tile shower done in my Master Bath, that went wrong in ways that happened too quickly for me to stop...so I have a shower that works, but it is now suspect in several ways. The shower has a Kerdi-Schluter foam shower pan, and curb, and Kerdi Board on the walls, and a Kerdi preformed niche. The shower walls have lippage beyond what would be reasonable, I have what looks like mold in the lowest course of tile, and the pan has depressed areas where standing water gathers, and must be squeegeed int to the drain. Oy! Because of what I learned however, the shower that I built was better in these ways than the "Professional" job. - because I'm on the East Coast, I followed Sal Diblasi's tutorials for the prep, preslope, liner, and mud bed rather than attempting a hot mop, and I used a combination of thinking while designing my curb - this was untreated 2x4 over concrete floor, and a Kurb Perfect plastic form form for floating. If you find any of this interesting, I'd gladly post some photos I took of the different stages, but I mainkly wanted to thank you both from the bottom of my heart for all the HARD work you do, and TIME SPENT making this content, that helps us DIY-ers!!! Keep up the great work! :)
I’m afraid i have to redo my shower, I wanted to wait a couple of years but everything seems to be failing. The grout falling off so the water goes behind the tiles which isn’t great for the foundation you can flood your neighbors if you live in a condo like me. The water collecting on the shelf and just today the shower door fell off. Whoever did the work did it very unprofessional lousy job. It will cost me a lot but it has to be done right.
How are you supposed to affix that edge profile to the curb without a mechanical fastener?
Thinset
I like to set my large format tiles with an Tavey hammer lots of people say they use there hand but then you break alot of tile. Using the shifting method is what I do for walls and if there large format I've been known to use the Tavey hammer with an couple taps here and there. I don't know how you feel about grout max but I like the product along with revealing tile should be recommended to all clients such as grout sealer epregnator every so often for longevity of tile.
I've been running into so much of this rookie stuff lately.
I am planing to have the shower room remodel. The professional guy will do remodeling but who know. This video help me to understand what type of cement board is used for the shower wall. The installer told me he want to used PVC liner instead of hot mop. So is it ok using pvc liner over hot mop? and aslo do not use the hardi backer for wall right?
great videos.
I've put hardi back board in my shower, perfataped it, now I'm thinking of lining it with fiberglass. What do you think?
I would say the lippage was caused by not offsetting the tile as well.
Wall glue for mosaic shower floor 🤣🤦🏼♂️ when we do our shower niches we alway put corion all the way around with the bottom one slopped obviously
Hey tile coach. I need a tub installed in Cameron park. Who do you use for plumbing work that you don't want to do
Hi Issac, I’m a novice tile DYI and I took noticed when you mentioned contractors using mastic. I just installed my shower wall tiles with Apei premium ready mixed mortar. How much of a problem will this pose and what are any remedies? Thanks Coach!
previous installer was a roofer
Mastic says it can be used on shower walls as long as it’s not a steam shower but I still wouldn’t trust it , it also says can not be used over red guard , over all would only use mastic on a backsplash or dry area walls
Hey Daniel, I didn’t do my due diligence when it came to using mastic for my shower walls and I also used it over a water proofing membrane. Is my shower still worth saving? Thanks
I might try to pop off a lower tile to investigate and see how you want to proceed
He didn't even butter the back of the tile! 😳 That glob of mastic was prob an attempt to plumb the tile I assume?
These videos are so satisfying to me.
1:13 lol poor guy! good thing he found you on youtube!
I’m from Uzbekistan actually, what are the chances? I live in Canada though.
My bathroom tiles started popping out today..and the wood is gross and molding.. is my floor going to cave in. I live in a townhouse that burnt down.. we moved back I feel like we have black mold. Who do I call? I have black stuff coming out of my sink and shower.. I took photos of everything. And I know everything around the toilet and shower is wet somehow. How do I get the people I rent from to take this seriously? I feel like the cement under carpet in my room is also cracked. What should I do?
When doing demo with a hammer like that always use her safety goggles. Other than that I'm liking all your videos
Man that stinks to have to pay for a shower twice! Did they turn that guy in or what?
Shout out to that 1 guy from Uzbekistan who watched a couple videos. Hey bud.
Wear eye protection!
Rexehuk get a life pussy
Usually I never do. Till I was useing a sds max to rip out tile and a shard punched through my contact. 1/6 over and would have lost the eye. Another thing to consider is there is more nerves in your eye than anywhere on the human body. Everyone will learn from that type of pain.
Hopefully he is at least closing his eyes when making contact. I’ve taken a few pieces to the nose. Close calls.
@@MoneyManHolmes Haha the ol safety squint!
Curious if you can use sealed Hardie backer board in a mud bed? They sell presented Hardie backer with and agua defense.
But there are other ways to seal backer board or cement board with hydroban or redguard?
Or 8+9
And here is me thinking that cement board is just like cement...soaks in the water just like many other materials...just like my driveway....right? except it is water resistant...meaning it doesn't get damaged by water penetration (just like my driveway)...so in my false thinking,,,if the enough water somehow gets trough the tile/grout/seal to the cement board...it would become a leak, or the mold or whatever ...but the board it's self would not be destroyed by moisture...tiles would still be falling off of it. My point is...if you don't have a waterproof system in place behind the tiles then you're in trouble.
Now one advice to you... Don't push that hammer drill. Just press easly with fingers and you get the maximum impact. It's like you pushing a hammer instead of hitting. ;) And... I learned a lot from you. Thanks and have a lot of success in your next jobs.
Eh sometimes you have to force it
*That shower stall is a "master class" on what NOT to do!*
Protect your eyes young man!😎
and your lungs....overexposure to mold is not good
@@justinofboulder not just the mold don't forget all the particulates when you demo...
Eyes and ears
Hi there nice video I know it's a old one am a bathroom fitter watching your video do you lads in the states use silicone notice non of it on this video. Do we rely only on grout for walls and floor lines as a water penetrating barrier. I have come across a lots of bodge jobs in my years from dot and dabbing hardly any coverage extreme lips and plumbing disasters even bad maintenance from client that also can lead to problems leaving it too long. Problem we have a lot of the time here is clients wanting to go for the cheapest quotation and end up paying more after the cheap and quick method didn't last long. Just what you get bad as each other. Some out there charge a premium but do poor quality work which you would probably find in every country. Nice mate keep it up
Can cement boards be placed inside the shower pan float? My contractor did it and I am scared my shower will fail.
I don’t think I’d want that fiber board for a preslope under my hot mop , I’d rather have a solid mortar bed .
Hi Great Videos. Is it ok to use Schluter edge on the curb? It looks like it will always leak. How can it be sealed? Thanks!!!
Where's your safety glasses? Safety is your number one priority!
Lol. This video is a prime example of my last comment in your last video. " everything looks good in the picture but in reality it's trash".
Hi Issac, love your videos. What are your thoughts on the wedi backer board and waterproofing systems?
Great video. Keep up the good work.
One of the most common mistakes contractors and diy'rs is they think tile and grout is waterproofing..
Wow that's a bad one......and the first time I ever seen someone use concrete on floor bed.....insane lol
I just saw a bathroom with a new fiberglass shower pan and new tile had just been laid on the walls of shower and bathroom floor outside of shower pan and you could see the guy who put the tile in had used mastic. I know that's gonna fail in a couple years.
What kind of bag do you use in your shopvac? Every time I do a demo, tile and mortar shred my bags...
Large shop vac without bags, just straight into the vac
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It's very common for people to think that grout and tiles are waterproof!!
I always feel like im moving real slow when I'm doing a nitch. They take time
So how do you secure the bottom of backerboard to the pan if you dont screw through it, liquid nail?
I run my concrete board to within 1/2" of the pan liner (I use a pre-slope then vinyl liner, no hot moping here in my area). Given that I am installing at least a 2" thick pan, the mud pan holds the lower 6" of backer against the framing. When I "pour" my pans, I make sure to pack the perimeter extra well (I like to use a 10" steel tamper to really pack in the edges).....
Thanks a bunch
One more reason not to use Schluter metal in showers,, Mastic is a glue ,,but I know what you mean
Is that Ceramic tile? I thought Porcelain was preferred in wet areas.
Yes it, you can use ceramic just has a higher absorbstion rate and less durable
So can I use mortar for the tile and shower pan @tilecoach
Like the gentlemans shirt
got the baur hammer to shes real nice... and cheap
In this case the builder did not install any tile right on the wall. Waw.
I did a shower once and when the glass shower door guys came to measure I heard them talking saying "unbelievable" and "are you sure that's right"? I thought there was a problem and I asked what's wrong, what's going on? They replied they had never seen a perfect parallel and square opening before.
They checked it like 4 times each.
Question: What causes tile - after 10+ years to start to come off the wall? Not entirely but areas are hollow when knocking grout is coming out between so theres settling in those tiles. Any thoughts are appreciated.
Neil, most likely a number of things like in this video. Water damage back behind there, and/or poor coverage. Coverage doesn't matter if there's water back there though. If it's hollow when you knock on it, usually there's nothing behind that area of the tile. Sorry to hear it, but hope this helps
@@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet Thanks for the idea. Its odd. There is durarock or something back there. It started with 4 tiles 2 over 2. We popped them off and re-thinset them. Now the 4 (2 over 2) are doing it. Going to pull them and restick em. I will inspect better when we have them off to see. How does water get "behind" a tile? I think some water is expected? This is a wall opposite the spray head.
@@bigneilh
No problem.
Some water whether it be alot of moisture or little can start wreaking havoc on a shower. We often see the shower pan leak, it will find the low spot of the liner or subfloor if there is no liner, and water will seep into the CBU/backer board and the studs.. Since tile and grout are not waterproof, and neither is backer board, it's hard to say 100% what the issue is stemming from. Even durock soaks water up like a sponge. Not as bad as hardi backer, but we see it frequent enough. Waterproofing is an absolute must in my opinion. I'd like to be able to tell you your problem is from this 1 problem. But that wouldn't be reasonable. It could be anything really. But just know..... If you have grout falling out, and tile coming loose, there's most likely a bigger underlying issue
Also, no.... You want absolutely no moisture behind the tile. Period. I don't even like the old mud beds that were built to hold moisture that went below the substrate. But walls most certainly should stay dry 100% of always. 👍
@@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet Thanks for more details. its on a block wall with a fiberglass pan. Still a little exploring and putting back together,
You should wear safety glass before hammering the tiles, small particle of the tiles are very dangerous. Otherwise I love your video. Keep doing good work.
why no backbutter of the wall tile?
Many people don’t realize that water can easily wick up walls
Marketing question: How often do your videos convert to jobs?
you see the age of the customer two things come to mind one you get what you pay for if price is too good to pass on then maybe you should, two the people who did work were unsupervised if you are not comfortable with the scope of the work then have someone knowledgeable about fundamentals inspect do not wait a year to do. in canada a real certified red seal tile inspector will come residential or commercial i have no fear of him i might even learn something from him cheers
Awesome video Isaac. Very informative. 👍
No redguard over hardi joints?
I wouldn’t be surprised if that railing that screwed straight through the tile caused a lot of the leak
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