What Monitor Ghosting REALLY Looks Like
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- I'm comparing Monitor Ghosting/Black Smearing on 1ms Budget IPS and VA Monitors. Which is worse? What does it look like in gaming and productivity? How does this relate to manufacture spec sheets and response times? I'm going to answer all of these.
Hardware unboxed review for the VX2705: • ViewSonic VX2705-2KP-M...
The VX2705-2KP-MHD (UK) is the same as VX2768-2KP-MHD (North America)
Specs:
VX2705-2KP-MHD: www.viewsonic.com/us/vx2768-2...
VX3268-2KPC-MHD: www.viewsonic.com/us/vx3268-2...
QNIX QX2710: www.displayspecifications.com...
Test Websites used: drive.google.com/drive/folder...
UFO tests: www.testufo.com/ghosting
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Games used:
Hades
Horizon 5
Age of Empires 4
Halo Infinite Multiplayer
Timestamps:
0:00 Monitors Used
0:36 Ghosting
1:31 What Ghosting REALLY Looks Like
3:44 Inverse Ghosting
5:04 What Inverse Ghosting REALLY Looks Like
6:43 1ms Response Time is BS
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its so much headache picking a monitor because manufacturers lie about the specs
Trying to buy my first monitor and it feels way too complicated of a process 😭
@@bhrisuchihahave you found one yet, currently trying to buy my first monitor as well but I still can’t find one that’s a good overall quality
@@bhrisuchihasame
There are so many websites and reviewers out there who have always been writing, reporting, or reviewing this topic. Hundreds of measured values, graphs, tables and much more.
But none of them portrays the situation as simply, yet ingeniously and vividly as you do.
Thank You!
no problem! I was also super confused by what all the numbers mean too. Glad you enjoyed my video!
It was so nice to find this video! I’ve been digging around everywhere for a good example and explanation of ghosting.
So true!!! I never really understood it, now i do :D
There are way too many reviewers who are too dumb to just do the ufo test so they are wasting way too much time
This vid is quite literally the best on the internet for understanding this subject. Easy to digest yet still gets into the technical and harder to understand things with great explanations with the real world examples. Thank :)
This is easily the best video on the subject thanks to clear explanation and a lot of examples. It will definitely come in hand when choosing my next monitor
I've watched so many video reviews of electronic products and I am sure this is the best, details, understandable with perfect example of the subject. Well freaking done!
The first video I've come across in my search for a ghosting solution that was actually helpful in helping understand what is happening and why. Thank you, sir
Thank you so much for the clear and informative explanation of ghosting issue in monitors.
You helped me to reach a conclusion:
"I don't care about ghosting at all"
nobody has ever explained this two as clear and simple as this guy , thanks a lot !!!
Ty for providing real life examples of this, now when one of my friends asks me about this I can point them to this video
Always knew what was the definition of ghosting and inverse ghosting but never saw the actual effect of it shown in such a detailed and practical manner. Great video as usual man.
I bought a gaming VA monitor from MSI 3 years ago. It said 1ms response time and wasnt that cheap so i thought i was getting something good.
The blur was so annoying. Im glad you mentioned Hades because thats one of the game i played on it and i couldnt believe how bad it was.
Since then i have always research what monitor to buy and i settled for an IPS panel and ghosting is completely unnoticeable if thats there at all.
The colours are so vivid and it makes everything better too. Good video, i liked the examples.
Best video about Ips vs Va. Thanks man!
wth youre actually so good at what you do
idk how your channel isnt growing much but man youre one of the best on making this type of vids
great video!! now I understand why all the 4k test videos I see on YT when I type "4k display demo" in the search box are moving very slowly, this allows pixels to get the right color and you aren't noticing ghosting phenomenon
Really good video, I’ve been dealing with inverse ghosting for 2 years on my Samsung monitor and it’s reeeaaallllly annoying. I’m going to be looking out for more of this stuff now because of this thank you
Explanation is very clear and understandable. Thanks
Thanks for including a text and programming sample/example
This video is a jewel. Excellent material
such a great channel, keep up the good work! :)
very insightful thank you ! I learned so much
i really enjoy your investigations. thank you
Thank you very much. Best review
Brilliant and very informative.
Very informative video thank you.
the exlpanation with the ultra fast mode and overshoot helped a lot. now i have no ghosting anymore on my viewsonic xg2405.
Thank you so much! This makes it very clear unlike other reviews that barely mention Ghosting. Could you please recommend a 32inch qhd monitor that doesn't have this issue while being freesync, preferably over 120hz.
there's an interesting observation also, I have the ViewSonic vx2428j, it has a 1 ms response time (GTG) but when enabling the ultra-fast mode, a white ghosting appears, but the catch is that this only occurs in the user defined colors, meaning if all red, green, and blue are set to 100'% brightness, the issue will show, that's different from using the built in modes, like bluish, or native, when using them i notice that the brightness goes down a bit and the ghosting disappears completely when enabling the ultra-fast mode, it's interesting.
omg finally someone who explains properly ghosting and overshoot. Thank you so much. Really useful information.
Just one question. What do you think about the Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ1A 27" 2k 170Hz? Is it good in terms of color, ghosting and response times?
Holly biscuits thank you for this video. In csgo its very prominent on the map cache and dust2 I always saw the white highlights and I couldn't figure out why it was happening and it hurts my eyes. Since day one with my monitors I always turn on super fast response time but I'll try the advanced now and hopefully it will be better, Always thought it was my settings in games lol
incredible video
something I would like to mention, the UFO ghost test is representative of both monitor ghosting and interpreted ghosting (ghosting you see from lower refresh rates), not interpreted ghosting of a camera. By that, I mean that the camera has to match speed with the UFO and follow it in order for you to see the amount of ghosting you would see when gaming or tracking a moving object. If you compared both monitors while tracking the moving UFO, we would see a large difference in motion clarity, especially dark level transitions
You are very talented.
Now i understand
thanks a lot
Awesome video. However, I wish you had a monitor with no ghosting / overshoot, so you could show us what that truly looks like.
Nice work ;)
Thanks!!
Spent about 4 days of non stop reading, watching and digging forums about ghosting/smearing on VA -- since I want to get 27 2k curved monitor, and set my eyes on Gigabyte G27QC.
Some mention it, some ignore it, some say it is there, but only matter if you care about it (great answer, indeed...). Not sure how GAMING monitor with smearing can have Gaming at 8.2 on Rtings... No idea how it works, really.
The sad thing is - I just have to find some huge store with working monitors, and creep around, comparing ISP with VA, until I just find what I like.
3:14 *eyes begin watering*
Great stuff! Did you get a chance to test Samsung M7 32 inch monitor? Are all VA panels same ?
My major usecase is coding. so I read text, I scroll text, zoom in zoom out, etc a lot. please suggest.
On VA panels, try shadow control, increase it from 50 to 55, very helpfull.
I just bought a very cheap IPS for under 70 USD! It's 24 inch 1080p with 180Hz. I tried all the ghosting tests and motion blur tests in the UFO test and I don't see bad artifacts in the monitor. It's set to extreme overdrive but I don't see any inverse ghosting. A good buy in my book. The brand is ELSA but I think it's a sub brand of Nvision. I just can't believe how cheap I got this.
I bought the MSI C24C6P and it's sad how bad ghosting is because of it VA panel. Will it be the same if I reutrned with a newer one?
It's that motion blur effect thats really annoying with VA-panels, it looks like it almost lags even if you have a rtx 4090.
idk if youll still answer questions but how about MVA panels? im currently looking to buy a monitor that says it has an MVA panel which after doing a couple searches says that it is a little better than a standard VA panel. What are your thoughts on this
Thanks! I learned a lot from this. How do hertz come into play with all this? Gaming vise. Are they just important? Less important?
Edit: I have an old Asus VS247 (which advertises 2ms GTG), and gaming is REALLY painful. Can't see much in shooters, either I'm moving the camera fast or the targets are fast, so all I see is a blur. And games similar to the ufo test, are painful to look at. Especially when its the background that's moving fast, while the player/target is stationary. I only bared to play one game like that a bit, and I had to keep my eyes off screen and just look through my peripheral vision, so the blur doesn't hurt my eyes. And if both player and target are moving I can hardly tell them apart. xD
Hz and framerate measure the same thing(e.g. 60Hz = 60fps). There's 2 parts to framerate- the #of frames your computer can produce each second, and the # of frames your monitor can display each second. For fast paced games like shooters, I value framerate above everything. This means I would play games in potato quality (low graphics, 720p) just so I can max out the monitor's framerate. Ccasual games like farmville, Hz doesn't matter as much.
Your monitor seems pretty old (2012?). Maybe it's time to look at buying a new one? :)
@@ReviewsForLifeYT Gottcha! Yeah makes sense. So basically both are important to have good gaming experience. good response time means things will look clearer moving, and high hz means youll actually see it at higher speeds, rather than just teleporting across the screen. Yeah, its silly I can run shooters like Apex at above 100-140fps no problem but its pointless on my screen. Yeah its super old, and I've been looking into new ones, just need to gather enough munniez and see whats available in my country when I do. xD
Thanks man!
Did you happen to test the 24" MISURA MM24DFA? With 200Hz and a curved screen it seems like to good to be true for the price. I also see videos on CZcams how to fix ghosting, is this possible or is it technically inherent and therefore a no-go?
Here wanting someone to answer my question. The problem of VA ghosting in dark sections can be improved if I play to lower frames? Hades, Tunic and platform games is where it suffers most and I don’t see the need to play more than 60fps. I want the Asus VG30VQL1A and I worry about ending up with a monitor that gives me more problems than joy
for fps games would you rather makes the response time lower (2.53ms gtg) with overshoot or advanced (4ms gtg) with less overshoot
Does refresh compliance increasw ghosting and blur right ? so i guess is a very important metric for a gaming monitor?
Went with dell ips 27inch 165hz 1 ms rs for just £100 in a deal.. love it
3:00 Me watching this on my VA panel: "Hmm interestng........"
I never knew VA, IPS and TN until I know now, so my monitor 240hz VA, I noticed different on video
probably he puts slomo on video to show very difference
What is the scrolling colorful text test - whre can i find it?
Thnx
I have this ghosting problem on my tv and i cant turn it off it only has one option called noise reduction is there any external device i can use like edid emulator or displayport to make the picture look clear thx in advance.
How do you not have more subs?
I run my VA panel Overdrive for almost 3 years, it's broken now XD. Ghosting in VA is really noticeable on CoD games or much more darker games you can really notice it. Or even moving the mouse cursor on darker ends of the monitor you can definitely see it. I mistakenly bought a VA panel instead of IPS its the biggest disappointment I got.
Thanks for the video.
Before this video I was sure that all IPS monitors have a good response time. Even cheap office Lenovo models are really good. Much better than "gaming" LG 32GK65B-B 144Hz monitor. Problem is mostly not noticeable in modern games (like Cyberpunk 2077), but in games on older engines (like Black Mesa) it is seen immediately. Mostly on areas like floor grilles, which turn into a mess as soon as character move.
I was playing black mesa for the first time not that long ago and the first area has the floor grilles it completely threw me off playing the game because it gave me a headache every time I moved.
What is the best 360hz ips for competitive gaming in market please?
Wish i saw this earlier. Got a curved va monitor and the ghosting looks like the bad example that was shown😢.
anyone who still went for VA panel monitors? how did it go?
Can you recommended for me a gaming monitor 144hz curved 24 inch please ?
I was thinking to buy this one
ASUS TUF 23.6 VG24VQ Curved Monitor
Ty
I'm getting black smearing on a IPS monitor, should i buy a TN?
i just discover this effect from review on cheap curve 200hz monitor that cost only 100$ usd. lol i think i just happy with my 75hz and not having this kind of problem.
Thanks alott, i got the vx2705-2kp-mhd for very very cheap price. And was facing a huge problem with ghosting until i tweaked the settings and also changed to Advanced from Ultra fast and it looks amazing now. Thanks alot. Though i have a question im running it on HDMI 144hz is supported, should i consider buying display cable? Will it help further more?
Hey! Glad you found good settings that work. No need for display cable if HDMI is working; they do the same thing (which is to get video from pc to monitor)
@@ReviewsForLifeYT Yes you're right. But wasn't able to enable G-Sync on it via HDMI as i've seen some youtubers having it on the same monitor. Turns out you need a DP cable in order to get the option in your Nvidia Control Panel settings. As the Monitor has Freesync Premium you can turn on G-Sync with DP cable even if the Monitor isnt G-Sync compatible. And it works perfectly 😊
Hi, what setting you used to get rid of ghosting on vx2705?
@@fedornabokov9168 Set contrast to around 50-55. Enabled G-Sync and Overdrive mode or whatever it's called to medium not high in monitor settings. And i also switched to Display Cable i guess my HDMI cable was slow i dont know. But i changed these settings and ghosting is barely even noticeable in ufo test. No ghosting in game. Remember some games do show ghosting if you apply some in game graphics like dlss or fsr. First apply these and test on ufo test. If its visible in few game you need to change some of your graphic settings
@@osamaanwar90 Thank you, mate. This is what I have now czcams.com/video/uTX3xyNBrEQ/video.html Contrast 70, response time set to ultra (not medium). To be honest this looks better than in 2021 tests on youtube and I do not see any overshoot here. May be new monitors as I bought it 2 weeks ago are different?
Nice :)
Before it, i'm always think something wrong in my PC like frame drop or anything else but now i know the problem on my monitor 😅 .. i use Qhd/2k 144hz at 120-130 fps but always seeing shadows on object if moving fast .. by the way 'ghosting' can broke my eyes not good for health .. there is hot issues for the development factory to make real respon time 1ms not gimmick marketing
So this tells me that TN panel is the best? I have a viewsonic vx2458 TN panel and have never seen those ghosting in ufo
I've been using a 200 nit AOC monitor 60hz from 2011 till today 😂 and reached 110k~ on gridshot ultimate(aimlabs) upgrading will be huge but i really dont think 0.5% of a difference in same budget range should matter, but hey, adds to knowledge
watching this as I try to fix the ghosting on my viewsonic monitor lmao
man pleasssse help me 😢😢
my view sonic screen looks bad with alot of ghosting its a VA screen
tyyy
is it bad i can’t really notice the difference
Finally my game doesn’t look bad I thought my monitor was bad 😂
even under 1 ms you get a ghosting until the display use motion interpolation
3:00 right is better for the eye. when i sit in front of an ips monitor for hours. my eyes flickering. va is more eye-friendly.
we watching in 144p:
nice!
can this be noticed while watching movie?
Every monitor review on CZcams or written should link to this video so people know what the hell they're talking about
You should watch this Video on TN or OLED Panel to see the difference)))
which one is good?
@@christophermccandless6979 oled
Or on a CRT
Just purchased a expensive samsung neo g8 and the ghosting is really bad. I will have to return it unfortunatelly.
So the problem isn't from my gpu?
my samsung va is similar like at left side
Hey can you make a video on CRT monitors? they're getting a surge, many say the quality is better than any tn or IPS panel of this decade, high end crt being those Samsung Triton monitors
That's a tough ask- modern video cards don't support VGA, and I'm not aware of any modern high refresh rate CRT monitors. Not saying it can't be done- it's just hard to find resources. If you have recommendations, I'm all ears
@@ReviewsForLifeYT
You could always use a HDMI to VGA Adapter for CRT Monitors.
Works like a charm on a 120hz CRT
@@UnknownUnknown-cd4hh Trust me , after using CRT monitor the all flat panel type monitors become a scrap. CRT always gives the best performance for everything. Gaming, cad drawing.
watching this on ghosting monitor
How can i solve this? I have an Asus vg279q1r and it does the inverse ghosting it’s so annoying. I just bought it, should I return it??
try a slower overdrive mode, like "normal". Otherwise, nothing you can really do but buy a better monitor.
my monitor makes noises if i open the test page WTF (Coils beep i think)
VA panel: Moving the mouse cursor leaves a trail
amazing video but for me i stay with my old sharp va panel for me ips glow are disgusting and va (monitor over 60fps ) have too many ghosting i tried both va 165hz MAG321CQR and ips 165hz msi too and i returned both my sharp tv have better color no glow and less ghosting and less black smearing
I had to refund my Va panel response time was horrible, it worked at 165hz, but never felt smooth, it looked like 80-100hz
Best on the net..
Problem is the quality of VA panel monitor. I mean, let's look at high quality IPS vs VA panel. You know who wins? Check out hardware unboxed charts (best monitor reviewer ever).
Hint: Samsung Odyssey G7 (VA panel) beats all of the IPS / Nano-IPS monitors in terms of response times, therefore you won't see any ghosting or smearing as you have shown on the video.
@@Frank_Pods Even now as second hand it's a pretty good price. I've bought a brand new one for 350 euros. That was a steal. But the next price in my country is 375 euros. That's not too bad either. Prices are for the 27inch version. With second hand I've seen them around 300 euros. Mostly 300 though.
Quality VA and clear Ufo Ghosting Test= Much more Money :(
@@sn.k7811 Exactly. But it doesn't worth it tbh.
But give us the solution
what the game at 2:12, pleasss
Age of empire
why they are keep making a VA panels if they are bad
Because VA panels has much more contrast ratio than IPS panel and VA panels for budget more cheaper than IPS. Example Samsung Odyssey G3 S24AG30 (144hz) this monitor very very slow response time and price 120 dollars.
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I'm so disappointed I had to see the horrible effects of ghosting the hard way on a new monitor I bought recently. The effect on Hades is exactly, if not worse than when I'm playing XCOM2. It's unbearable.
I had to return and I'm sticking with an IPS display until VA technology can be on par.
I's a paradox but the VA panel was better in 2014 than now. I bought a VA monitor to replace my old one: refund, I've never see so many ghosting in my life !
They are already on par. The new Samsung Odyssey G7 VA panel is outright one of the best panel available even when compared to high end IPS. You get to enjoy high contrast of VA without the usual ghosting and long response time issue (even better than many high end IPS out there). Unfortunately they only made it 27" 1440p as of now, no other monitors use the same panel yet and I don't understand why
new va are better than older ips
The IPS looks much worse in your example with white text on black background. the white letters are flickering like crazy and would have given me a migraine with extended use
My G5 32" is 10 times worse than the 32" being used in this video, trust me.
@@michalthekind whats funnier is, “MBR” is literally the same as “Fastest”, just with lowest brightness 😂😂😂 should’ve bought a cheaper, but better, 24 - 27” monitor… or, just gotten the G7. 😅
@@michalthekind Imagine “down-grading” to a 1080p, 24” monitor because Samsungs flagship “budget” monitor is literally THE WORST… funny thing is, probably more than half 1080p, 24 - 27” are 100x better than G5
@@cubiversewastaken I have the g7 240 2k and it isnt any better, but it is decent, i like it tbh.
So ghosting isn't bad if you play with motion blur.
motion blurr aren't a solution 😅
yea its not the solution here. the ghosting makes your game feels like motion blur on even its off