Why VA Gaming Monitors Kinda Suck...
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2022
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After spending some time living with VA based gaming monitors, I came to the conclusion that they kinda suck.
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Fun fact, that wasn't a landed player. It was a landed NPC, similar to the ones that want to trade when you're in space. Still fairly rare, and adds a bit of immersion
Oh cool! You learn something everyday. Pretty disappointed, but still cool. 😃
Honest dude, i have a 144hz ips panel in my omen laptop 9th gen with an rtx 2060 6gb and it looks bob on
did he REALLY expect a real player would land in a galaxy which literally has trillions of planets in it? There is a good chance to meet one only in popular star systems
@@DawidDoesTechStuff dude, Euclid(first) galaxy alone has trillions of star systems and planets. If you want to meet real people in the game you should go to Space Anomaly or to some popular places. Community expeditions also include a lot of players at once, especially at the start.
And about these landing pilots - you can buy very rare hazard protections from them, try trading with the next one.
Guess I'm just not that picky. been playing games on a console with an LCD panel for years. recently got an LG gn600 32" and was happy with that and never noticed it. I guess beggars can't be choosers. lol
Was heavily considering VA (on Argentina, high end doesn't even cross the border here) and god bless you and this video.
I heavily dislike motion blur (I even turn it off in games that include it, if possible) and holy bejisus I could notice the blur on those monitors while watching the vid on my phone as my internet went full potato 240p.
You've saved me from mucho sadness!
I am eternally grateful.
De dónde sos? Yo probé un par de va y un par de ips. Ambos tienen sus pro y sus contra
@@Checo89 El Hoyo, Chubut.. sep, posta se llama así el pueblo.
VA tiene sus ventajas (principalmente precio/htz) pero yo no juego shooters u otros multijugadores competitivos.
No voy a estar corriendo Skyrim modeado a más de 70FPS, y ya estoy re acostumbrado a 30/60 así que me hace más diferencia pasar a mejor definición, más tamaño y mejores colores que gastar en refresh rate o velocidad de respuesta.
Al fin y al cabo depende de para qué vayas a usar el monitor.
En mi caso IPS simplemente aplica mejor al uso que yo le daría, pero si jugara shooters seguro compraría VA
@@amargasaurus5337 si... yo probé el gigabyte g32qc. La imagen es hermosa. Buenos colores y excelente contraste. Pero nunca había visto un ghosting y black smearing al nivel que tenía. Movía una ventana en el escritorio y se veía toda una estela detrás.
Ahora tengo un lg 32gp850-b. Es perfecto en claridad de movimiento. Pero el poco contraste y el ips glow son una mierda.
En este momento estoy probando una tv samsung qn90b y me sorprendió el poco ghosting que tiene. Pensé que iba a ser muy molesto
You can get VA panels with very little ghosting, don't discount them!
@@kristoffer3000 Any recommendations?
Do consider that where I live we don't get many options.
There are like less than five affordable monitors in each category, plus half of them don't even have reviews or were reviewed four years ago xD
VA monitor user here. I finally switched away from a TN (and formerly IPS) because of night work and the difference has been absolutely staggering. I can finally lower my monitor's brightness WAY down while still being able to see stuff and the dark smearing is, to me, an incredibly small sacrifice to finally not strain my eyes at night.
What monitor??
you can lower ur brightness super low with ips too
@@tankertanker3373 You can, and that's what I did on my old monitor, but the advantage of VA is that you can still see things very clearly because the contrast ratio is so high. The best way I can describe it is that things still look visible even during dark games and the monitor is on its lowest brightness setting. On IPS you could barely see anything when it would get that low.
For that you should've went with OLED then. TN is absolutely horrible tho lmao
@@sweetsurrender815 I wasn't in a place to afford any OLEDs on the market. I got a black friday deal on a VA monitor and jumped on it.
Thank you for this. I thought I was losing my mind after I initially switched to a VA monitor. I love the contrast on VA, but the blurry motion causes me severe eyestrain and headaches. Sadly will have to move back to IPS (OLED isn't there yet for me). Hopefully the monitors coming by the end of the year and early next year will be able to bring adequate contrasty IPS options.
The new AW3423DWF costs $1000, it's a pricey investment but it's well worth it given you probably won't upgrade for several years to come.
So I had NEVER thought about this until I saw this video, and now i can't unsee the visual cholera on my 43inch 144hrz rog strix VA monitor that cost me the equivalent of a fist sized blood-ruby. Of course this only proves my wife right about the purchase, which somehow ages my inner child through pride breaking pain. Honestly Dawid, I think some things should stay a mystery! :P
A monitor that size is going to look shitty anyway. Terrible purchase. Buy monitors in that specific resolutions sweet spot for the best visual experience.(1080p is 24 in and 2k is 27 in)
@@bah0met1 and 4k is 32inch? :) Oh and shitty IS a matter of perspective :P I would like to point out that watching Dune on this monitor is like watching god giving birth in realtime, but I will admit that i am as of now seriously considering selling the monitor in favour of an IPS one but if the gains are nominal... I've heard great things about OLED as long as you're willing to risk the burn-in
buy a CRT tv or monitor. smearing is not even possible on those.
of course you lose resolution..
@dnegel and you also lose a massive amount of other things that are considered standard
I've noticed on my old 144Hz VA monitor that the smearing isn't noticeable if it's set to 60Hz. Which soundly defeats the purpose of getting a 144Hz monitor, but at least it's good enough to watch streaming videos on if you decide to get a used one as a second monitor.
at that point though, just go to your local goodwill and pick up something random. If you're not gaming on it, what does it matter?
@@curvingfyre6810 colors and viewing angles
even at 120hz it should do much better
Ehh, it's not that dark transitions no longer smear, every pixel response is more or less equally slow at that lower refresh rate. I.E. they all smear 😆
Honestly most people can't see the difference anyways. Back when CRT monitors were a thing I required a high refreshrate monitor because I would get migraines without it, but I have been running 60hz on flat panels since they came to market, no problem. I can still own you all in CSGO.
Aww I love it when we get to see Neko in a video
Neko is adorable!! ^_^m
Lol... don't you get to see him every day?
I find it really wholesome that you always show your support by commenting on his videos!
Have you found any budget friendly small OLED yet?
I bought an aoc VA panel monitor and used it for about a year before buying a ips as my main monitor. I noticed the smearing right away while playing Minecraft, the leave blocks looked terrible when moving around and text on signs was impossible to read unless I stood still. But I didn't really notice too much smearing for anything other than deep blacks. Another place where VA sucks is scrolling web pages on dark mode. The text all blurs when scrolling and it's impossible to skim for information quickly, you have to stop scrolling just to see the text.
Keep up the good tech work love watching your videos Dawid 💯
Thank you for the nice comment. Im glad you enjoy the videos. 😃
Regarding the "tell me in the comments if you have a VA monitor":
Yeah, I have a 165Hz VA monitor, and I came from a 60Hz IPS (but an older one)
And I find the overall blurriness in motion somewhat comparable. It *is* better on the VA, given the higher refresh rate and new panel, but the black level smearing specifically is indeed quite noticeable. A lot less at the higher refresh rates, but if it goes down towards the 60 FPS range, the ghosting in night scenes is real.
I do understand if for some people that could be a deal breaker, but over the 5-7 or so years I had my old IPS monitor, the IPS glow, backlight bleed and bright black levels were more annoying for me personally.
(Yes I know IPS panels have improved a lot as well)
Sadly, no, IPS panels wasn't improved in any other way than refresh rates, on the contrary - they are getting worse (in terms of IPS glow, bleed, contrast etc.)
What you talked about the IPS still happens. I have the LG 29WK600 ISP 75hz and playing games in dark environments such as Metro Exodus and GR Breakpoint makes everything look odd. Buuut I work a lot with black themes and I'm a little afraid that scrolling codes will look like pasta with the VA panel. I just bought one and I hope I don't regret it.
@@ThiagoMatuo How is the VA panel working out for you? I work with a lot of dark mode themes myself and I'm contemplating if it's ok to buy a VA panel.
@@colinpierre3441I have the LG ultra gear 24 inch IPS panel that everyone considers the best 24 inch monitor out there and a 27 inch LG ultragear VA panel that runs 1080 p and 120 fps on COD and I’m enjoying the VA panel a lot.
They are just different! I don’t consider one better than the other. Both have pros and cons. For example, last week I played on the IPS and immediately missed the deep rich black tones on the VA panel.
One thing I can say, LG has mastered the movement aspect of the VA panel. It plays nearly identical as far as smoothness in comparison to my IPS panel.
Just bought my first VA monitor, never going back to IPS again, finally no more eye strain .
Which monitor did you get?
I thought i was the only one with eye strain (and extreme headache) on ips
probably ill give it back, it really hurts my eyes. Who TF said IPS monitors more safe for eyes, with any brightness level it burns out my eyes
@@Talos202 I got a samsung T35F and really burns my eyes out, made me get blue light glasses
which one?
I have to ask, did you use hdmi or displayport? Because I have a Viewsonic 32" VA 1440 @ 144hz... and I use displayport, and all settings like overdrive are disabled while using displayport because they are controlled from the computer.
Also, blur/smearing has not been a problem for me, and I much prefer the better color reproduction and higher contrast.
Recently picked up an almost identical monitor to my main IPS panel and it is a VA panel. The difference is hella noticeable but since it’s just a secondary monitor it’s not too bad for me. It was cheap and will mainly be for CZcams/ discord/ wikis. Being a mainly tarkov player that stuff is super noticeable
Edit: despite the monitors being from the same manufacturer and very close in specs I could not get the actual monitors to match color wise
I've been using a 35" VA ultrawide from Monoprice (3440x1440 100Hz) for two years now, and while I've definitely noticed the smearing in dark scenes, it hasn't bothered me (even as a dark mode user).
I absolutely love the black levels that VA has. I view it as an excellent compromise between IPS and TN, and I actually prefer it to those two.
Not at all, the blacks in no way compensate for the ghosting which makes the VA monitors completely unusable for most tasks
The blacks themselves are nothing out of the ordinary and most HDR IPS displays match or exceed the blacks that VA offer
IPS reigns supreme easy (until OLEDs become cheap and solve burn-in problems)
@@goochipoochie I think if you do any gaming, if you want VA you gotta go for the expensive VA monitors, otherwise they will have shit response time and have smearing and ghosting.
But high end VA monitors have the same response time as IPS monitors sometimes even better than IPS.
@@goochipoochie what HDR IPS are you talking about? Only ones are $800 miniLeds, HDR 400 is laughable
@@keponen331hdr adds around 50ms latency, comp gamers do not use hdr for this reason. So HDR being the only reason to get an OLED is kinda stupid for a ton of people I’d rather get it for the blistering fast response times with no hdr unless I’m playing some single player game.
@@redditmanllegnisthebirdofh9887 how many of us are comp gamers? exactly
Very interesting comparisons, thank you Dawid! I would love to see you look at the Odyssey, I've heard very good things about that panel.
Having fellas testing things by us, so good. Thank you very much, Dawid!
Try an odessey G7. The G series has the best response time performance of any VA panel.
Also response times are borderline useless metrics since the setting they use to achieve that have so much overshoot it’s completely unusable. Actual response times of those VAs are more like 12-18ms.
I just went from a TA xl2546k to trying an ASUS rog IPS panel and g7 VA panel at the same time and the IPS was definitely better for some contrast/colour stuff but the general effect of the VA and the much better lighting for dark areas really won me over. They all had positives (low input, good colour gamut spread, ‘HDR’) but the g7 was surprisingly good.
Whats the point? Im gonna just stick to TN until i can get a giant oled.
Got the G9 and I dont see any problems with the panel at all
@@Ay-xq7mj
Oled is still sample and hold and the moving image won't look any better than the best TN. Right now the Samsung G7 1440p 240hz 27" has almost TN response with the great blacks, colour, greyscale and gamma with HDR that is good enough and beats any 1000nit FALD IPS with it's blooming, less nits yes but a better on average picture in HDR on dark vs light average.
yup I have one
It depends on panel quality. There are IPS panels that have bad ghosting and VA panels don't always have great contrast. I'm glad IPS has come a long way, ghosting and washout used to be a much larger issue.
IPS panel with bad ghosting only happens when dumb customers don't check the response time. If it has >2ms, obviously you will experience ghosting, which is normal. If you are buying a monitor for gaming purposes, you always want 2ms, it's probably not a gaming monitor, if it is, that's gonna be the worst design you want to stay away from.
@@yunsha9986 it isn't thay easy and simple tbh
There are two types of pixel response time, GTG and MPRT
In very basic language,
GTG is like the thing gamers concern for, faster GTG = Better response time (should range from smw 3-5ms, be careful of brands achieving lower gtg by agressively backlight strobing and reverse ghosting everything)
MPRT deals heavily with motion clarity (should range normally smw 1-2ms)
So yeah, there u go
It really isnt that easy lol
And do correct me in places I'm wrong since im learning such stuffs recently too
It still is washed out... the contrast is still terrible. Like TN terrible.
@@yunsha9986 fun fact, most of the cheap "1ms" monitors are actually a gimmick. Some of them even goes up to 6ms.
@@yunsha9986 Good IPS panels don't usually comes with 5ms BTB and 1MS GTG?
That's the best video I have seen so far on that topic. Thank you, I had a really hard time to understand the differences while reading all sorts of specs!
Dawid, that ad for BeQuiet felt like a movie trailer, or perhaps a PPV promo! Quite well done, so much so that I watched it 3 times. An ad. Also monitors and stuff.
The first monitor I upgraded to from a TN panel was a cheap VA monitor from AOC. Not only were the colors horrible on that panel, the smearing was so bad I could not even make out what was happening in fast paced games and got very motion sick.
Swapped it out for a very similarly priced LG IPS which had much better color, similar contrast and no smearing.
wich model was the AOC one?
@@maelstrom7063all cheap gaming AOC monitors sucks
The trick is to find a VA panel with non-terrible black response times. RTINGS review response time in-depth and you just need to look at the response time chart for the first result which is 0-20%, which is a worst-case scenario for VA smearing. Getting a VA panel with sub-10ms 0-20% is fast enough to negate any black smearing and you still get the amazing image quality that makes VA so much nicer to look at than IPS. I went through several VA monitors before finding one that didn't suck, and I settled on the Dell S3220DGF which is mediocre in many areas, but can do a full 0-20% transition in 1/165th of a second - zero black smearing.
seems a CRT monitor or TV blows all these monitors away. specially with motion.
something modern displays cant seem to match.
Mind listing the rtings response article? Thinking of picking up a dell s3222dgm which the rting review put just beneath the one you got in response time
It's possible to eliminate smearing on VA monitor. At least on my monitor there is an option called 'Shadow control'. It basically just lowers the contrast to IPS levels.
I use the 27 inch version of your monitor and they are so good, I used to notice smearing but I don't anymore
which monitor should I get?
Samsung Odyssey G3 G32A
(LS24AG320NUXEN) VA
or
ASUS Wide VG249Q1A Tuf Gaming IPS
@dawid can you test VA vs IPS on freesync? or g-sync compatible on nvidia?
iam afraid all VA have problem with brightness flicker on freesync. can you confirm this? are IPS free of this issue?
I actually just bought that LG Ultragear 34" Ultrawide last week. I too am fairly sensitive to the image smearing that most VA panels have. Yeah, the contrast isn't great, but I can live with that. I'd like to try some of the newer high-end VA panels that supposedly have the best of both worlds, but it's just simply not in my budget.
For me, I find IPS' terrible contrast ratios and "IPS glow" (not to mention backlight-bleed), more distracting and noticeable than the black-level smearing I've encountered on recent high-refresh VAs in almost all gaming scenerios, unless you only play horror or certain survival games with very dark scenes.
The ips glow and bad contrast can be mostly eliminated with bias lighting. It is reducing the eye strain also.
@@ExQRx "Mostly" eliminated isn't good enough. I returned my IPS monitor for a refund as soon as I determined that I couldn't eliminate the terrible golden glow on the left side of the screen. Crazy that monitors sold in 2022 are inferior to a monitor I've owned since 2014 and how people simply accept this glaring fault in the product. It was an LG Ultragear monitor, perhaps LG is particularly bad, I don't know. Definitely not wasting my time with an IPS panel again.
@@UltraredM I'd be glad to buy a budget OLED monitor for 500-600$, but it doesn't exist. When choosing between VA for this price and IPS, all VA panels for this price were so terrible with black smearing that I consider them unusable. And there is no way to fix it, you have to live with it (or with inverse ghosting on high overdrive settings which is even worse). With bias lighting all glow that I have on ips is absolutely not visible. It is a matter of getting the right brightness of bias light. So in this unfortunate situation where you have to deal with shit budget products there are some compromises that have to be made...
@@ExQRx where The hell did you buy a oled monitor for 600 please tell The name
@@UltraredMlol lg is shit. I almost buying them until I read so many review on horrible glow. But I end up buying another ips screen with no backlight bleed and lower price than lg.
I have a VA panel monitor and while I do notice the smearing vs IPS monitors that I've had, it isn't bad enough to make me buy an IPS monitor with similar or better specs to replace it especially since I do enjoy the contrast of the VA for stuff that doesn't necessarily need motion clarity.
Both are kinda compromises, but I'd personally consider the IPS to be less of one if I were in the market and only had the two choices. Hopefully more OLEDs come down the pipeline, they ace what either VA or IPS are already decent at and do better with everything else across the board too.
@@ALmaN11223344 Amoled in TV is bad idea, unlike phone who turn off the light frequently.
had a 24in IPS, but it broke, got a 32in VA from my relative for free, and I still can't really get use to it
What is your contrast ratio?
@@ALmaN11223344 OLED is compromise too, "burning in". Id rather deal with contrast and motion problems than with an image that is imprinted on my display.
this was actually very helpful...thanks! im in the market for a new monitor and this totally made up my mind
I have a GN950 on one system and an old 60hz LG 32 in 4k VA panel on my other system. I haven't really noticed smearing on the VA panel. Mainly just appreciated that I could actually see what I was supposed to be fighting in a cave in Witcher 3. Sometimes that contrast ratio gets kinda vital for game play. Still favor the GN950 for a whole lotta reasons.
I got a VA based 144Hz panel (Terra 3280W bought in 2019) and I never really noticed any smearing the only thing that bothers me are the not completely dark black levels. However I never really played on an IPS or OLED. The only monitor I have with less smearing is a CRT Monitor wich has its own issues.
Actually I felt like the smearing on this monitor wasn't much because I only used TN Panels before. You should do a challenge where you play with a 2004 LCD or something they are so horrible with their ghosting that you even notice it when moving windows around. Oh and they need to warm up because they use tubes as a backlight
Did you use old monitor with VGA cabel?
I got a VA monitor like a year ago for the color range (mainly the darks/blacks) plus an upgrade to 1440p. Color transitions between these dark colors are much worse than on any other panel so you can get a little bit of smearing. The monitor has some "overdrive" setting and when set to the max there is no real smearing - its maybe not as good as an ips display of this quality would be. but compared to my older monitor the darker colors are just soo good for movies and games that have a nighttime where you can see clearly without upping the brightness.
Good for games that have a nighttime/much shadow where you can see clearly, Then VA panels is the best??
I'm using the Gigabyte G32QC-A (post Xmas sale) and I'm very happy with it. The smearing seems to be at a minimum and the contrast and colours are just gorgeous!
I'm currently using a Dell S3220DGF which I've had for awhile now. Admittedly it's the first "proper" high refresh, above 1080, monitor I've owned (I've only had "cheap and nasty" ones before) and I don't play much FPS type stuff but I've not noticed any blurring. I'm pretty sensitive to in game motion blur and always turn it off, if that makes any difference.
I recently upgraded to the AOC CQ27G3S which is a VA panel and I cannot say that I noticed any weird motion artefacts. I do have I do however love the colour and brightness that it can produce as well as the contrast. I did have a cheaper VA ViewSonic monitor before this one which had a really bad ghosting issues when motion was involved which annoyed me a lot
I'm getting an AOC moniter too soon, va panel, is yours still holding up n doing good?
@@AintThatSwell Yea, still enjoying it. Still going great
I have only used VA panels to play games because they're cheaper and were the only ones I could afford. So I've never been exposed to any other panel technology. I also don't play particularly fast moving games, so it's never ever been a problem for me.
Look at how slow he was moving in the example at the beginning lol
The smearing is simply from turning
I recommend you to try ips it’s better in every aspect, its will be noticeable
It's crazy that so many TV's are using MVA or SVA or QLEDs, that are all VA panels, but with much less black smearing than these "gaming monitors" that they are selling.
Did any of the VA monitors you reviewed support Freesync/Adaptive Sync? I'm still wondering if that could be a factor/contributor to the smearing you mentioned in the video. Thanks!
Prior to getting my current QD-OLED AW3423DW (which I absolutely love btw), I had a VA Asus MX34VQ, and I thought it was perfectly fine. Didn't notice any blurring on it at the time, although it being capped at 100hz may have helped in that regard.
As so many others have already commented, try a Samsung Odyssey G7, or a G9. They are not ultra wide, but they represent the pinacle of VA panels. I think you will be quite amazed. I myself am using a G7 for work/gaming, and it is quite awesome with butter smooth 240Hz refresh rate and very vivid colors, and deep blacks from a true 10bit panel. If it didn't have a mat coating, you could mistake it for an OLED. Only downside is the rather aggressive curve, which can make it tricky working with 3d CAD modelling.
They're definitely the best of VA panels, but they're still measurably worse than the mediocre IPS panels in a number of ways. If you were gonna spend G9 money I'd rather burn it than nab a G9 over a QD-OLED and if you only had G7 money I still don't think it offers anything better than IPS competitors in the same price range.
@@ALmaN11223344 I agree. A QD-OLED is way better then VA and IPS, but this video is specifically about VA panels. I also wouldnt want the G9, but that is because it is too massive and expensive for my taste. But since I have been using the G7 for a couple of years I really love the VA panel type. Recently tested an Apple Studio Display, and although it is a sexy screen, the actual quality of the IPS display was sort of a let down compared to my G7, because of the much lower contrast on these old IPS panels. In the Liquid HDR video on YouYube, the G7 gave way better black levels, and therefore percieved better more saturated colours. Only downside for me, is the curve, and the ugly black plastic/rgb finish, but that is of course a matter of taste. My next monitor will probably be the Samsung M8 as it has the looks and the deep blacks, and rich colours I like.
I have a LG Ultragear 32gn600, 32" 1440p 165Hz. Looks exactly as shown in this video. I prefer VA over IPS. I'm allergic to the low contrast which makes the image look washed-out. For fastest response time you need to use the BFI option which inserts black frames inbetween. In that mode it gets half way looking like my OLED TV in terms of pixel response. For VA I consider it quite impressive (read: quite decent in the realm of all monitors). IPS can have inversed ghosting which is much more noticeable.
I hope we won't debate about this over a few years and all are on OLED monitors...
Keep dreaming OLED is insanely expensive to produce in small sizes, we will never see a cheap OLED monitors, not unless new tech will come up. Which would kill off LCD completely
@@kigasdj2 why is it though? I've seen many cheap OLED micro displays, like 2 inches or smth, Nintendo Switch has an OLED version that's not crazy expensive.
I tried all those settings and unfortunately it just couldn’t get the smearing to a point where it worked for me. I’m glad to hear the monitor works well for you though. 😃
Yes. I maybe biased but I will choose my VA panel any day. Just because of the color.
@@user-tn6tb2qh8d Think about how many companies can produce 24 inch oled monitors? I only know 2 companies, Samsung and LG, they barely produce any as it is expensive and yields are not great, Samsung produce millions of 6 inchers for phones and Switch because they mastered technology on this size, when we move to 24 inch or above you facing entirely different problems and no company yet masteried 24 or above inch sizes production in cheap and huge quantities. So yeah we are many years away from cheap oled monitors something drastically has to happen to make them cheap.
I don't think I've used anything but an IPS for my main monitor for the last 15 years or so up until recently. The difference in panels back then was pretty obvious and it was well worth the price difference. But recently (about 3 years ago) I picked up a Samsung C32JG52 and it's a VA panel. I didn't notice much difference between this one and my IPS as far as blurring - all though there is some very minor blurring in games occasionally. I think Samsung has maybe gotten this issue partially under control.
I am curious how the new Samsung VA panels perform as far as this issue is concerned.
apart from the Odyssey monitors there seem to be only two more VA monitors that have decent black response times, one of which is also curved (AOC PD27) and one of which is quite big with its 32 inch size (LG 32GK850F, especially after warming up). Therefore I'm hyped for the newly anounced first ever Fast-Va panel gaming monitor in the AOC Agon AG275QXN.
I just ordered a Odyssey g7 32 screen... I hope its not bad I'm a lil worried after watching this
Nice! Its been a long time since ive heard anyone explain panel tech. Im a bit of an expert because I was an early LCD adopter back when a 15" panel could go north of $400.00, I find modern IPS can rival even the best VA panels and wipe the floor with any TN&Film, In fact id rather have SIPS for gaming even with the sub 1ms responce times of TN, Like my trusty 2K Viewsonic VP770 VERY little smear and thats at a rated 8ms B/W, My favorite part is the very wide ranging and accurate color. I find high refresh serperfilous.
Thanks for the info brother! I am checking some IPS monitor to replace my VA one.
After upgrading from 1080p TN to 1440p ultrawide VA two years ago, what bothered me the most was the overall response time. It looked like motion blur turned on, was okay above 90-100 fps but horrific at 60fps. I rather use TN than VA because of that blur.
One year later I switched to ultrawide IPS monitor and been happily using it since.
I am using the same LG 34GN850, I chose this after trying multiple VA panels in the store.. it just irritated me so I can relate to your tests. The samsungs in the store were to worst - but the were older models.. however the Iiyama 34 inch va suprised me - not enough because the ips was just so much more smooth for me. :)
I have been using a gigabyte 32wqc a for a while now and maybe I just have never seen it compaired to another monitor but the motion rendering doesn't bother me. But now you make me curious to try out a ips display maybe sometime I will buy one and see if I like it. Thanks for the content!
I'm using a 165Hz VA panel for gaming. In my opinion its still 10 times better than a 60hz IPS/TN panel. It does not bother me too much but maybe i will try an IPS Panel next time. Did you test any overdrive settings? Edit: Ah sorry i missed it at 3:53
A 60 Hz ips panel, LOL there are high refresh rate IPS panels, they're great
@@UmVtCg I know but good IPS panels used to be way more expensive than VA Panels. Prices seem to go down though so my next Display might be IPS or OLED
I only used TN in the past and right now using IPS. Never tried VA but I'm absolutely happy with how IPS looks. I use my PC for everything from gaming to internet browsing and work. I feel like I won't upgrade until monitors with OLED panels get cheaper and also smaller since I don't like large monitors considering how close I sit to my PC when using it. I'd probably go up to 27" and no more than that.
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After trying many many monitors over the years Ive learned that Im quite sensitive to motion blur / smearing, it is very noticable to me. But once I finally broke down and bought an OLED there is absolutely no going back for me now, it's like night and day when it comes to smearing and response time.
I am using 32" LG ultragear for a while now besides my 27" inch IPS (also LG Ultragear). The smearing is not that bad when these two are compared. You can setup the VA panel with game adjust -> black stabilizer option set to 50 or higher to considerably lower the smearing, however, at the cost of lower contrast and grey-ish blacks - it basically becomes an IPS at that point. I will always choose a good VA pannel over an IPS - but OLED is where it's at. I am more sensitive to IPS glow and low contrast than VA smearing. Pro tip: there is 1ms MBR option on these monitors, too.
I am getting a 32GN600-B in the mail soon :D
Will try your tipps !
I am thinking about buying LG 32GN650-B, any experiences so far?
@@geeker9545 I can share about the 32GN600. Nice Panel ! Gets plenty bright.(I have it at 55%) The space between plastik and screen seems very small. This together with the coating looks really nice. Free Sync work great. Only issues is with dark smearing. This is very very game dependant. I noticed it the most in Minecraft with the glowing red of redstone. That smears a lot. But other than that ? Been playing Overwatch, Insrugency, Civilization. And its been great. Dont use HDR though.
@@ianspy1 Thank you for your feedback!
I saw 32GN600 too, but I need some robust stand + I already have LG 32GP850 as my main monitor (I am not using HDR) and I would like to go for 3 flat screen monitors set (perhaps 2x LG 32GN650-B for sites) with more adjustable options. I am also playing Overwatch, other games are Final Fantasy XIV and AAA titules like Death Stranding, CP2077 (FF XVI and Diablo IV in the future) etc. and I would like to try some racing games with this setup too!
What's concerning me is that black smearing which is present in almost all VA panels so I am trying to do some research about monitors before buying. I am wondering if you could send me some video (email can be found in my YT channel info), maybe just a few seconds of fast-paced shooter like Overwatch 2 would be great since I do not think there will be much of difference between panels of these two types. But I am not sure if you have a time for some OBS recording... But I would be definitely glad that I have some additional information for my decisioning directly from person who is using it daily and Overwatch is a plus!
@@geeker9545 I can try recording my screen with my phone and uploading that too youtube. I can also try to make a slow mo video of the redstone example, since that is the most noticable one.
I got a VA, IPS and OLED panel. While I think the IPS is better, I really can't see a difference between the two compared to the OLED, so imo VA and IPS both suck equally bad.
Well, you aren't doing it correctly. You have to pause the screen and zoom in 3X. lol
OLED kills everything for image quality and response time. I love with my LGC1, puts every monitor or TV I've ever had to shame.
I could never go back to an IPS screen. The damn blooming killed me.
Oled is the next step. I’m excited for more oled gaming monitors to come on to the market. 😃
i got an IPS after using a VA and uh yeah its not as good of an upgrade as i thought.
I use a VA panel from Pixio, so far I've been happy with it, but I don't play multiplayer games at all anymore, so the smearing is less important or obvious for me. However I cannot lie, it is still there for sure. I'm just not particularly bothered. But I am also one of the few minority that enjoy motion blur so that is definitely a factor.
Very cool video Dawid, haven't used IPS in a couple years so it's been a minute since I've seen a direct comparison. Personally I prefer better contrast and colors, but again, I'm a singleplayer gamer. IPS seems to be the true king of the competitive scene, 100%
Have you taken a look at the Gigabyte FV43U? It's got a nice discount rn and I'm kinda thinking is it worth or still not.
I've never really had an issue with my va panel, I use an odyssey g9, and I've never really been able to find something so long (not tall, as I don't want a tv) that doesn't have a va panel
I agree. I have 3 monitors in my setup. The center monitor is IPS since I run my games on it. The monitors on each side of that are VA, as they were cheaper and have a better viewing angle. Works out really well for me.
I have almost the same setup. I have 4 monitors but for sake of conversation we'll ignore the top one. My center display is OLED and outside 2 panels are VA. I did a lot of color tuning to try to match when i use all 3 panels to play a game. It's crazy how much difference the OLED to VA panels are.
Edit: All of my panels are 32" curved, center 1800R outside panels 1500R.
@@IamJoeTV Yeah the color matching was tough. I used a Spider pro and Displaycal to calibrate all 3 of my monitors individually, which isn't completely perfect, but its very close. My center monitor is flat, but my both of my flanking monitors are 1500R. Works out pretty nice.
Wait, a VA panel having better viewing angle than an IPS?
@@MirelRC Yeah i misspoke there. My VA monitors do seem to have pretty good viewing angles as far as VA goes and they’re curved so in my particular case and setup they do look better than some flat IPS would, but thats specific to me. On the flip side my IPS monitor’s blacks and grays look better than my VA panels’ after calibration in most things. Go figure.
@@Gandalf721 Its not brightness, they’re all set to 120cd/m. The actual blacks are good, but there’s a more pixelated affect around them on videos and such.
Great video now I know that my next monitor will definitely not be a VA, I would love it if u review some old dell professional monitors against new VA monitors
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IPS FTW
I use a VA panel, and I have to say, I got used to it in like a week. The colors are amazing and I don't really mind the smearing, at least on the use cases I do.
I like to watch TV series on my screen not only gaming, that's why I chose a VA panel all the way.
same, barely notice the smearing compared to when I got my monitors towards the start of the year
What is the brand of your va monitor?
you have the odyssey?
Colors are not amazing on VA at all. Put it near an IPS and u gonna see.
My main problem with VA is eye strain! I cannot stand it no matter how many other strengths VA panels have.
I also haven't used the OP Odyssey G7 /G8 though so I don't know if those ones also induce eye strain. I'd like to hear people's views on this.
Had a VA panel for about three days last year until i noticed the black smearing and returned it. The monitor was an MSI Optix G241V. The first time I noticed the smearing was when I was checking the monitor's specs on the MSI website which are display in a alternate grey and black table. Once I saw the black overshoot I could never unsee it.
I go VA for my TVs but IPS for my monitors. My current monitor is a 27" Monoprice DM 1440p 180hz IGZO-IPS and I love it! The IGZO seems to allow better black levels too. I'm not sure why but it does, they're not dark grey like on every other IPS monitor I've had.
I totally agree, I’ve had several because they are affordable and quality is good, but over the years I’ve moved over to IPS. I thought at first VA curved panel was cool, but actually its takes up space and weighs more. And the IPS is flat and has the best kind of picture. And we know how bad the picture is on TN. Yeah VA does have a better contrast for darker rooms, but I’m just saying today’s IPS is the way to go.
Yop i agree either
I must agree. My old 1080 IPS was great. I upgraded to a 1440p 144 HZ monitor and I feel duped. Next monitor WILL be IPS if OLED is prohibitively expensive.
OLED burns, so i always choose non-OLED.
I had 2 ips monitors and 2 va monitors. I prefer va simply for the good contrast it provides at a relatively low pricepoint compared to ips. we dont talk about tn though.
The low contrast and IPS glow is hardly less disgusting than VAs black smearing. A flat Odyssey G7 with fast VA tech would be good enough. OLED is perfect but can burn in. It’s really choose your poison.
I explore you to try those Samsung monitors you mentioned (either the neo g7 or neo g8). I rock the G8 and black smearing is essentially non existent, it’s extremely impressive. Sadly the g8 does have scanline issues at 240hz mode however the g7 doesn’t suffer from that issue at 165hz according to hardware unboxed.
If you have scanlines at 240hz return it, it is a defect of the panel so you shouldn't have to stick with something broken that has a warranty, at least in EU you don't.
That being said, the G8 is great in Doom Eternal and probably any shooter because its curve is somehow better and trashes my PG279Q from Asus in every aspect, and I guess the same goes for the G7. The G8 is one of the best monitor in the market unfortunately it has a lot of issues that pop-up over time if you are unlucky but that is due to QC from Samsung
I have a lc27jg52qquxen which I hadn't noticed a problem with but am wondering if you've now ruined when I test it with light on dark 🤔
Had the Gigabyte G34WQC-A. The smearing wasn't really noticeable but the flickering was awful whenever I toggled on Freesync. Returned it as faulty product after two months of use. Apparently, Freesync flickering, as well as black level smearing, seems to be a big issue with VA displays.
I think it also depends how sensitive you are to the smearing. I have friends with VA monitors and they swear they can't see any difference between VA and IPS for motion rendering. It's really something personal you need to try in a store before you decide on one or the other. I can't stand VA and only use IPS.
My Asus VG27VH1B 165hz VA monitor replaced my decade old Fujitsu SL23-1 LED inch OEM monitor and i have been in love with it ever since, the colours are nice and i almost never notice any ghosting and never have any issues with response times.
It being curved is also so convenient as somebody with limited desk space
Also to be fair, i dont really play FPS games outside of TF2 and some older CS games (even those against bots) and with my reaction times, i don't think im the best person to judge a monitor for fast paced fps games lol
I would definitely switch from both of them to OLED, but not yet - it's too early, need to wait couple more generations to iron out the first gen issues, and boost the brightness considerably. It we put CRT's motion on the top, OLED is getting near it.
I have a MSI Optix MAG301CR2 30" next to a LG UltraGear 34GK950F 34" on my desktop system and the 200hz refresh rate of the VA panel in the MSI monitor vs the 144 hz refresh rate of the LG panel certainly helps.
To everyone, PLEASE do your research before buying monitors. I bought a VA monitor that seemes to have good specs, and didnt read any reviews from buyers. The monitor had very bad ghosting/smearing, and I didnt even want to play games on it. Thankfully I have a better one now.
I got my first IPS monitor back in 2015, and honestly don't think I can go to anything else. The colors are much better than something like a TN panel, and the motion is crystal clear. Gonna be running my Acer Predator X34P until it stops working 🤘
Oh yeah! That predator x34 is an amazing monitor. 😃
Going to be a long time, but micoLED is going to be amazing
I just switched from a monitor with a similar panel (PG348Q) to the new QD-OLED from alienware and it's equally as drastic a jump, if not greater.
I don't think they sell TN panels on monitors in the western world anymore.
Did you turn off the default motion blur seeing in No Man's Sky? You didn't mention it in your video.
How about high quality VA's like the Samsung Odyssey G7? Im currently contemplating if I should get that or the asus ROG PG329q.
I'm hoping to get an OLED display for gaming at some point. Burn in seems to be less of a problem on them now so perhaps sooner than later.
Funny that you mention OLED. I have a Galaxy S22U, which has an OLED screen. When Dawid mentioned the smearing happening with darker scenes, and specifically the rendering of CZcams on dark mode, it immediately made me think of my phone. That exact issue happens on my phone. If there's ever a high contrast color moving on the screen, it will smear just like that.
@@Dorraj Same thing with Galaxy s9, but it happens only on low brightness.
@@Dorraj happens on every oled phone at low brightness
@@Dorraj it happens on my A50 only at low brightness.
@@Dorraj My samsung odyssey+ AMOLED panel VR glasses also have this at night in skyrim and VTOL VR. Black smear.
With va, I prefer to enable motion blur as it sort of diminishes the presence of blurring caused by the monitors innate slowness. Its not ideal but as the saying goes, "if you cant hide it, embellish it"
I have exactly that one last monitor, and it's infamous for its slow pixel response. When it comes to VA, you should look for fast pixel color switching, because that's where the smearing comes from
I have a Samsung G5 1440 P 165 Hz, and I don't notice any severe issues with motion, not comparable to the G3 at least. Maybe I'm less sensitive to it as I actually like the look of motion blur and turn it up in most games. I've also tried the G7, and it was great as well. Maybe it's specifically an issue with lower end VA panels? Either that or again just the fact that I don't really notice it. The thing I DID notice, was that this G5 took a lot of manual tinkering to get the image looking nice and bright/contrasty and saturated, out of the box it had a VERY flat, grey image.. but now that I have it set up and the settings fixed I'm really loving it. I definitely wouldn't write off VA unless it looks very noticeable to you personally.
When it was time to replace my aging TN monitor I bought a VA display and sent it back after a week because of these exact smearing issues. Got an LG IPS after that and never looked back. Not having the deepest blacks is not an issue for me since I pretty much never sit in a completely dark room when using my PC.
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is VA for competitive games ?
because i have the choice between a 165hz tn or 240hzVA
Samsung G7 240hz has the best VA panel i have ever seen with my own eyes and i have owned a lot of monitors over the years.
Yeah I mention it in the end of the video. I’ve heard the G7 is awesome. 😃 I’m glad you are enjoying your monitor.
And if I require it for programming? With my code editor always in dark mode, which would be the most recommended?
I have two VA monitors that I use daily. One is a cheap no-name and the other an MSI. The no name smears awfully and the first time I tried to game on it, I noticed it immediately. The MSI inserts a black frame between each frame, and so has much greater motion clarity. I never quite notice any smearing while gaming in comparison to IPS. Sometimes I'll see some while very quickly scrolling through black text.
Congrats man. I can’t imagine how much work it was to put this video together. Especially being able to show off the differences on CZcams we’re sometimes the the details in video can get lost.
Just ordered a VA display today to replace my current VA display. I like the black levels, and don't play fast action games.
That’s awesome. Enjoy your new monitor. 👍
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Thanks! I'm getting a Dell S3422dWG ultra wide. I'll let you know how it goes.
I tried a few VA panels and for gaming they all ended up hurting my eyes because of the blurring effect they were giving which i like when it has a smoother look.
I would need some help:
I have a low end PC, and I wanted to buy a new monitor, since I know I won't always be able to play games at native resolution (1080p) or even use fsr all the time, I was wondering which among these va, tn and ips monitors has the best upscaling quality if anything changes ? Or should I go for low-end TV ?
I know this is a stupid question, sorry for my bad English.
No monitor comes with upscaling, you can enable upscaling in your graphics drivers though
The Samasung Odyssey G7 has a better panel for response time than the Odyssey G3 (and the Cooler Master one), and it's one of the best monitors (overall) for response times in the Hardware Unboxed review.
It is an amazing monitor
Yah, it's an amazing va monitor. Still doesn't compare to the best ips monitors for motion clarity
It's also in a completely different priceclass than the g3 (2.5x more expensive where I live)
Yeah HUB's talked about this in the past, VA and IPS are very comparable at the high end with newer and more expensive panels, but show their stereotypical downsides in older/cheaper panels.
@@ironeleven the g7 doesn't have an old cheap panel. And it only competes with ips displays that are a few years old. Va is good for movies and web scrolling, that's pretty much it
To fix VA smearing you need to play in limited RGB or lower contrast.
Then you lose the benefit of VA technology.
At this point, buy a IPS monitor.
So, funny thing, I've thought for 6 years that my primary display was IPS. I just now found that it is in fact a VA panel. I ran some motion clarity tests (artificial as well as in games) on it (4K, 60Hz, VA) and my secondary display (1080p, 60Hz, IPS) and the motion clarity is very noticeably worse on the IPS panel. I was confused because I saw this video a while a go, just now putting it out there to say your mileage may vary. I will probably now be buying VA, because of the blacks, the price and since motion clarity is apparently a non-issue and varies per product and not by panel type.
should i buy the HP OMEN 24 or the SAMSUNG Odyssey G32A i an very picky with my monitor when it comes to motion blur / ghosting i heard i can remove the ghosting on the samsung so idk ( they both cost 179 euros here )
Interesting video. I have a Gigabyte VA monitor. I specifically chose a VA panel because I hate the washed out look of an IPS panel. My tv is an oled so going to the IPS it looks terrible. The motion blur is annoying but not as much as the lack of contrast on the IPS, for me. The next question I guess would be why didn’t I get an oled monitor. Mainly because they were difficult to find at the time (just as covid was kicking off) and I don’t want to deal with image retention.
The picture quality of an IPS is good as overall, the only but is the black. If you're gonna encounter too much black yeah the image is gonna be washed out, but if you have colored images then you'll see how good color volume is on IPS.
IPS has best color reproduction from all panels, not sure what you mean washed out, VA and TN panels all look washed out. There is only 2 usuable panels IPS and OLED :)
Newer OLEDs don't really burn in anymore. Why do people keep saying this? The first runs of LG's OLED panels were the only ones susceptible to bad burn in, and even then, it had to have static images on screen for months.
@@x8jason8x I wonder how it does the new Evo panel. On C1, the burns can get in few months runing 12 hours a day in Store Mode but on TV cable on news and sports channels. I mention Store mode because it will get maximum brightnes + that ugly dynamic image mode, no eco etc. The only things being on is pixel shifting.
@@MirelRC I couldn't say for the Evo panel, but on my C1, I've had it on for the majority of 18 months and change, no burn in. I turn it off once in a while for pixel refresh anyway.
facts im on a VA monitor right now the colours are really bad tooo
edit: i think its worth the money cause theyre a lot cheaper though
same imo. for a $450 monitor my s3422dwg really really good.
i want an AW3423DW, but for 3x the amount i cant see it being 3x better...
But...they aren't really cheaper at all...
I had an older 24in TN panel that I got 6 years ago and it sadly broke and went for a 32 inch VA. At first I would notice the smearing but over time I got used to it and it’s not bad at the end of the day. Due to health reasons and medications my eyesight and reflexes have really gone downhill so I don’t play competitively anymore needing to spend and get an OLED panel
How about TN panel? Does it have this problem? Could you compair it with ips panel please?
It’s definitely personal preference.
At lower frame rates a bit of blur makes motion handling more natural.. one of the issues with oleds is the sample and hold on 24p content.
At higher framerates you probably want the rendering to handle it.
Still, if you move your head around things look blurry, I crisp clear moving image is not natural looking but some want that in games
is VA for competitive games ?
because i have the choice between a 165hz tn or 240hzVA ?
I've been using a VA panel for a year. It was my first "gaming monitor" which could be why but it's never been a problem for me. I don't play competitive fps games though (have beaten doom and doom eternal's w/dlc on nightmare with it though) so maybe it's worse for those.
@Slywerk ig it depends on what you're playing
I've only been using IPS and I tried my friends VA one time and hated it. Looked terrible compared to mine
@@Zatchillac IPS has generally worse picture quality than VA though. Depends on each model, however.
My main moniter I use is the ASUS VG32AQL1A with my secondary being a LG 27GL850-B turned vertical, I didn't even consider VA when going from a TN panel in 2015 to IPS displays, unfortunately oled panels are pretty expensive still for being on a budget so I'll get there eventually.
I have two IPS panels, a 10+ year old 24" Dell Ultrasharp and a 34" LG Ultrawide as well as an Acer Nitro 49" VA panel I now use as my primary display. TBH I really don't see any blurring, the contrast levels are very nice and while there is some loss in colour accuracy it's near enough for gaming. I'd still take either of those over TN in a heartbeat, there really is no comparison there. I do believe that a lot may depend on graphics settings though as I always have everything tweaked to kill off motion blur, depth of field, bloom and anything else that goes towards making it harder to see what's going on and making me feel nauseous.
It's really of question of how sensitive you are. Many people are fine with the VA performance. A friend of mine has been using the AG322QC4 for years now and is absolutely satisfied - and he actually used to be a very high-level CS player. Subjectivity is real with this one, which is why you did the only right thing - test this stuff out for yourself.
I completely agree. It is very subjective. Some people really don’t seem to notice that kind of thing. It’s a complete deal breaker for me though.
I bought that LG panel… 165hz 1440p at 32 inches. Was a impulse buy as the thing was on sale. Wish I had done more research. The smearing doesn’t bother me at all as I am insensitive to it. The thing that got me was the pixel density😕Coming from a 1080p panel I though that any higher resolution would look 10 times better without taking into consideration the pixel density… The panel would be perfect for 4k but 32 inches for a 1440p is really not a good pixel density. Buyers remorse, feelsbadman
is VA for competitive games ?
because i have the choice between a 165hz tn or 240hzVA ?
I'm about to buy a new monitor and I was unsure whether to go ips or va (slightly leaning to IPS). I didn't see the difference between two comparable IPS and VA monitors in person, but seeing this video and knowing how much i hate motion blur in games (it's the first setting, alongside depth of view, that has to go before i can play any game) i think I'll definitely take a bit of grey in my dark room.
I own a number of VA panels and enjoy them. To me, they are poor man's Oleds with fantastic blacks. I don't even notice the smearing.