Pokemon We Never Thought Would Fall Off
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Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
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The next theorem should be: why rng is everything- the Jirachi/ gen 1 theorem
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Gen 9 powercreep feels like a fever dream at this point
It's unbelievable at this point
Its like gen 5 power creep multiplied by 10
To tell how crazy that powercreep is, just look at Garganacl. A newly released mon in Gen 9, it was overpowered in OU, and was voted to be banned to Uber at some point, and then it fell off to UU. In. The same. Freaking. Generation.
@@sekaihunter9378 and Iron Hands, a pokemon whos stats made people call it Mega Hariyama, was considered broken in Singles and excellent in Doubles now reduced to UUBL in the same Generation
Terrastalizing did bring out some pokemon to the forefront.
Staraptor crying in PU after a decade of being respectable in OU
Swampert being NU was already a shock to me, WHAT THE HELL.
tornadus is in pu,lmao..wdym?
a mon from ubers(gen5) to pu@@flashthemonkey6032
Too good for UU, Too meh for OU, Just in time for PU
@@jaretco6423Salamence being in RU is even more crazy back then it was the best non legendary flying dragon type ever
@@jaretco6423 nah incinaroar isn't too surprising, incin is great in vgc but in single it's a lot more worse, there's a whole vid on this channel on it "Why the format is everything"
Remember guys, your favorite Pokemon can't fall off if it's never been on! Let's go Cramorant Bros!
YEAH!!
I hatched a shiny one and named her Yeet Bird. She had a kings rock with the moves surf, Air cutter, roost and stockpile.
Once a birbs lover, forever a birbs lover.
*cries in alakazam*
My favorite Pokemon is outclassed by it's (already pretty mid) pre-evo. It's rough out there
The Duality of Staraptor.
Gen 4-8: You can't use it in UU because it's too good.
Gen 9: You can't use it in UU because it's too bad.
We all thought gen 5 and 6 powercreep was bad, gen 9 powercreep is a whole other can of worms
@@jrodd13Crazy to think that in the last 5 gens, gen 7 with ultra necrozma, dusk mane, INCINEROAR, and other good mons still brought the least powercreep
@@akshayreddy4071A lot of the mons in that gen were designed to be slow for balance (Arquanaid, Mimikyu, etc)
Staraptor: "I wish could be out of UUBL jail".
*Monkey's Paw curls*
what
@@Serperior1212 th joke is that the 3ish is granted, but the side effect is that instead of simply leaving the list he goes do3n a tier or something
@@Serperior1212 Staraptor has never been a proper OU pokemon, but it's always been banned from UU for being too strong.
Now it's finally been unbanned from UU because it fell all the way to PU.
@@BoopaKing no the monkey
The monkey’s paw is an old myth about a cursed monkey’s paw that would grant any wish you’d ask of it. Every time you’d make a wish, one of the fingers would curl shut, and your wish would be granted, but there would always be a terrible catch.
Usually when all five fingers curled in, the user would die and the paw would find its way to another victim.
Tyranitar fell. Anyways, we need a 2 hour remake video of Tyranitar.
We NEED a remake for Gengar!! It's one of the most influential Pokemon of all time.
Bro tyranitar got nothing but nerfs since gen4 it's impressive it took gen9 to take it down
@@jimmy13morrison the power of the swiss army knife
@@jimmy13morrison I remember as a kid, I thought Tyranitar was coded to have STAB on Ground type moves despite losing said type in favor of Dark upon evolving. It just hitted that hard with STAB-less Earthquakes. But taking Pursuit from him in Gen 8 was the nail in the coffin, trapping and destroying opposing Psychic and Ghost Pokémon trying to avoid his might was Tyranitar's thing since... Well, always
Hopefully at the end of this year.
Love how Garchomp was the number 2 winner of the Scarlet and Violet video and now is number 4 of the Pokemon that fall off.
"Garchomp won 2nd place, which makes him tonight's big looser"
power creep is insane
Welcome to the Underused !
The crazy thing is... It *did* win. It got some absolutely great buffs... But the powercreep is so insane that it still wasn't enough.
@@sickeny Yeah Gen 9 is just too much crack for chomp to catch up
The year is 2050, Calyrex-S has finally fallen to ZU after the “Fraudyrex-L” allegations caught up to it. The average length of an OU match is 5 turns, which is grossly overinflated due to a handful of people that try to use Mega-Blissey stall teams. Finchinator has perished.
Don't forget Arceus falling into RU due to "Dragon type legendary duo #14".
The year is 3000. Mega-Blissey is now PNUU. The average OU match is 1 turn with the new gimmick: Party Hit. Mega Mienfoo X dominates the tiers.
The idea of an average OU singles battle lasting 5 turns implies the existence of a move that can KO more than one team member even if they're not on the field...
Hopefully that never becomes a reality😨
Mega ray remains untiered as mega zacian X fights desperately to remain in OU
Yeah remember when Flutter Mane was considered OP in 2024 and now is down in PU? Crazy time I know. Now OPinis is the OU meta with its ability to +6 after a switch in is dominating OU.
Baxcaliber: * being the best pseudo around *
every other pseudo legend: " I was like that once "
Nah, only chomp and mence, maybe meta if you count megas
Goodra, but yeah otherwise your right
@Rarest26 the only Pseudo Legendaries that weren't at the top of a meta was Goodra and pre-USUM Koomo-o.
Dragonite rocked Gen 4-5 and Gen 9
Tyranitar was top of the meta Gen 3-5
Metagross was great Gen 3-4
Salamence was top tier Gen 3-5
Garchomp was a staple Gen 4-8
Hydreigon was a monster Gen 5
And Dragapult has become a metagame face since it was introduced.
@@Nintendoman1998 Notice how exactly none of those, except the ones I said, have ever been Uber.
@@Rarest26 the statement wasn't about them being Uber, just the best Pseudo Legendary of a generation and most of them have a point in time where they were arguably the best in the meta
Gen 9 seems to be the biggest spike in power creep ever in pokemon.
It straight up sucker punched the power creep up to the heavens !
The fact gen 9 rivals yugioh's powercreep the last 2 years is insane
There are more Pokemon in ubers then there is in OU at the moment, on showdown anyway
Terrakion in PU genuinely felt like an out of season April Fools
I genuinely think some is temporary; Tera is just that busted
Deoxys-S being washed genuinely had me shocked. Fukumean, the God of Speed fell out of Ubers? That’s preposterous!
Combination of moveset cuts and the addition of Heavy Duty Boots are the main factors behind this. Also, powercreep makes it so that its paltry base 95 special attack has become harder and harder to justify.
Its still quite solid in OU, currently being in the tier by ranking (it briefly fell to UU before rising back to OU by usage), but putting these factors together makes it quite easy to see why it fell off from Ubers. It wasn't even that good in Gen 7 Ubers if memory serves correctly either.
DeoS isn’t “washed” what a stupid comment. It’s excellent in OU and good in Ubers (and some players even think it’s low key a problem for OU off its versatility).
@@the_bookworm8281 to add onto this, Deo-S having the 2nd highest speed stat behind Regieleki isn't as impressive due to how many priority moves in OU, making revenge killing it not that daunting of a task
The most common Pokemon in gen 9 has a nearly 100% chance of carrying sucker punch.
No shoot being Psychic type with paper defenses isn't great regardless of speed.
Makes me wonder wherre Deoxys-Normal and Attack are.
"Think Pokemon like Landorus"
Landorus-T fighting for its life to stay in OU this gen:
last month he got 4th place overall with around 20% usage
It was never Landover, always a believer for my goat
It's arguably the best ground right now
Bruh its #4 in usage
Reject Landorus, embrace Gliscor.
You are all right NOW, but back during Teal Mask it ALMOST dropped. THAT is what op is saying
0:34
“The immense power creep”
shows Mence
I lol’d
I feel bad for Tyranitar. Couldn't use Tera because it would be damaged by its own sand, bad type, and powercreep killed it.
and would also lose its special defense buff from sand.
And lost pursuit
Being on top of the world for 20 years is a privelege most don't get.
It's had it's time.
An unfortunate trend is, the more generations Pokémon cycles through, the less weaknesses the new top tiers have. When Pokémon releases a batch of Pokémon with OP moves and no weaknesses, they shatter the tiers (S/V).
Just tera rock
With Gen 25's OU looking like gen 24's Double Ubers, many previous tier staples have had a rough go of it. Arceus has dropped to ZUBL due to the atheist type, Mega Rayquaza fell to PPU after the addition of Mega Perfect Bidoof, and Charizard-ABCDEFG has actually deleted Tera-Eternal Eternamaxed Eternatus from the pokedex entirely.
Quagsire has been untiered for 43 years. It is still B+ in Ubers.
the last line fucked me up here
Now I need the sequel:
"Pokemon We Never Thought Would Rise Off"
The torkoal theorem
The Murkrow Mystery
The clefable conundrum
Venomoth
delibird and mawile are probably the two biggest glowups
Wolfe Glick watched this video and went “imma make my next tournament team with these mons”
its funny how almost all of these are 600 bst mons. Really goes to show the min-maxed stats of newer pokemon just makes power creep so much worse.
Fr. Bst doesn’t matter if you get out sped and one shot (iron valiant, roaring moon specifically)
Tfw clod is 250 points below Hoopa-U
Meanwhile, a Mawile enjoyer like me has to live with 380 BST and not being available in gen 9.
But yeah, 100 in everything is a pretty mediocre spread now.
Decent at everything isn't as good as being good at 1 or 2 things.
Unless you're decent at everything because you have a movelist long enough to reach the moon
it's a ton of factors really, from movepool to stats to abilities to meta to generational gimmicks etc., but the power creep has been really, really bad this gen with paradox mons getting essentially the zacian-c ability one time at the cost of an item slot, or unlimited times if you work with weather/terrain (mostly in ubers rather than OU), pokemon in general getting minmaxed stats as you said, treasures of ruin getting universal debuffs (which is even worse in vgc), pokemon getting stacking moves/abilities (supreme overlord, rage fist, last respects), hazard metagame being really unpredictable (all due to gholdengo), and then a bunch of new moves with absurd secondary effects given to a bunch of already strong pokemon.
The first gens used to give mixed stats to powerful mons in order to balance they high total stats. For example, Salamence has 100 special attack despite being a physical attacker, so that means it has 100 useless stat points. For modern mons, they don't care any more about that an instead we got something like Roaring Moon with 55 special attack, and because of that it has better stats than Salamence despite having less total stats.
you should have mentioned that the reason why mew dropped was because it does not have reliable recovery any more.
this one tiny nerf completely ruined it.
it can only rely on draining moves to stay alive, and they are not good enough.
It really feels like not only has Gamefreak done *some* Powercreep, they also nerfed a ton of mons by gimping their kits
@@nexenojustice552
That’s a huge factor in it people don’t realize. Powercreep is there, duh, but the amount of Pokémon who had their kits gutted is a huge reason why so many fell off.
@@nexenojustice552 This seems to just be a natural consequence of not allowing transfer moves, which has no impact on the official formats.
Why is it THAT important? Couldn’t one try to work around that in various ways?
@@skeetermania3202 well, mew's psychic type may be okay offensively but defensively it is not that good.
Manafy may have the exact same stats as mew but thanks to its water typying it stays on the field for more.
Survivability is important for mew because it NEEDS to set up in order to do anything.
It may have a rich movepool but no matter what sets it runs there is always an other pokemon that can do the same job better.
The only exception is the combination of transform +imprison which is a gimmicky set that isn't all that good.
In order for mew to come close to having a niche in ou we would have to ban a crapload of pokemon.
Especially cresselia(mew had a small niche before she completely outclassed it).
"This gen's OU is this gen's OU" Forget that this gens OU boutta be last gen's Ubers
I'm surprised PU Terrakion wasn't on the list as atleast an honorary mention even if it was in large part because Iron Boulder was overshadowing Terrakion for a while.
Tbf Terrakion has since climbed pretty far cause I think it's now RU? It just got smacked down there cause of Boulder
well that was only because of a technicality.
I'm surprised PU Staraptor wasn't mentioned at all either. After being UUBL for four generations straight, it suddenly suffered a cataclysmic drop, falling ALL the way down to PU.
@@Hyperneosonic97 the thing I want to know is what exactly caused it? Like it genuinely feels like Starmie but even more tragic of being a beast from concept them basically smacked its head fall down the tiering ladder but it lost nothing to warrant it
@@pokefanalex9504there’s probably a few reasons. For one, Gen 9’s power creep is so whack that former OU and UU mons can’t hang in there anymore. Which hurt Staraptor’s chances.
There’s probably also meta shifts. It’s possible in UU, RU and NU, even if Staraptor isn’t strictly bad, there’s no reason to use him because there are either other Pokemon that do the job better and/or no real benefit you gain from using Staraptor specifically.
For example, in UU currently, the top pokemon are Excadrill (which Staraptor doesn’t have the best matchup against), Tornadus Therian and Zapdos. 2 amazing flying types. If you use them on your team, then there’s not much reason to pick Staraptor.
In NU currently, the top Pokemon are Lycanroc, Slowbro, Cloyster, Flygon. Mons Staraptor doesn’t have an amazing matchup against.
RU has Moltres and Thunderes at the top spots. No way Staraptor is outcompeting those.
Whereas in PU, Staraptor does match up well against Hariyama, Scyther, Eggector etc
Heracross being in PU is mind-boggling to me. It didn't even lose anything. Hell it gained trailblaze to help mitigate the mediocre speed. Yet off to PU it goes. Insane to me. Also shoutout to Terrakion for not being in this video after briefly being PU this generation.
what even more insane that heracross being pu is staraptor being pu... perennial uubl/viable ou mon falling to pu in one gen is wild
Cant wait for Koraidon in UU for Gen 11🔥🔥
Can’t wait for Calyrex-Shadow in ZU in Gen 12 🔥🔥
you mean one of the 2 uber mons that have people shaking in fear cause it and miraidon are just that stupid op
@@saiyanscaris6530 Tera bug avalug walls it, ZU at best
@@bobbyy-gc2vt Gen 11 Miraidon awaiting the verdict on its PU suspect test:
@@GoldGuardThe Gen 12 gimmick Pokémon: AG
That Toy Story thumbnail hits so hard as both are 90's nostalgia for me. This video hits so hard
the friend inside me
@@Magic_Icelol
Didn't JPR have almost this exact thumbnail and video name like 2 months ago? Just with Terrakion
@@TheNinjafrostpn I almost forgot about that video, thanks for reminding me
@@TheNinjafrostpnYep.
I'm surprised Staraptor wasn't mentionned in this video. Biggest falloff ever
Raptor was always just below truly viable, respectable and solid pick but never enough for most generations
@@berserkboi1217 I mean it was almost never viable in OU, that's true. But falling from too strong for UU to... just good in PU? Nah that's unbelievable. And i'm a PU player myself!
Staraptor was teetering on UUBL from its reckless ability alone. I'll miss dropping nukes on the battlefield.
@@berserkboi1217 perennial uubl with ou usage falling to pu is insane
Great Tusk has a lot to answer for. Single handedly kicked Garchomp and Tyranitar out of UU
Blaziken went from decent to broken w/ speed boost to back to decent. The powercreep is real
It's not just the powercreep. Its also that there are more than 1000 pokémon now. Keeping 4% of usage in a tier Is logically harder!
The thumbnail is so sad, poor Mew 😭
Good Toy Story reference though.
he sounded so heart broken when talking about tyranitar 😭
Every time i see Flutter Mane i'm reminded of my poor boi Gengar.
They shot him in the spine by removing levitate without giving him a hidden ability as compensation, then they put 2 in the back of the head by releasing that abomination.
RIP Gengar fr
And Spectrier shot Gengar in the foot
Oh yeah? Gengar has lick.
W.
Still don't get why they took levitate from Gengar. As if it made it op in any meta ever
@@justcallmeleonardo It should also be a ghost/dark type with prankster as a HA imo. There's literally no mention of it being poisonous anywhere in any of the games/shows, it doesn't learn poison moves while leveling either.
But it's always referenced as being a mischievous prankster that hides in the shadows.
History have been made today, ZU has been mentioned in a FSG video
as a sandstorm lover, having both chomp AND t-tar fall like this hurts way more than it probably should-
Sand just needs more abusers. If we can get things like Swift Swim Basculegion and basically every Protosynthesis mon, then Sand Force Garchomp or Sand Rush Flygon should not be too far fetched at all.
@@christiancinnabars1402Well Houndstone does get Sand Rush. We have that, at least.
Generation 8 really went overboard with the overworld Ability effects that Pokémon fans have fun using any party Pokémon's Ability to see different wild Pokémon. That should come back.
Remember when Garchomp's 102 speed tier was THE speed tier of all time, the speed tier you had to respect the most? Good times.
Nowadays 120 feels slow. (No, not a typo.)
Also mentioning Terrakion's time in NU but not the 5 hours it was in PU, lol.
Feels like a Yu-Gi-Oh duel now
Give garchomp intimidate and dragon dance 😈
@@ALEXNHEROIt was always an insufferable mon.
Give it Klutz exclusively and take away scale shot.
Booster Energy was a mistake. Stuff like Scarf Garchomp and Latios aren't even worth it in Gen 9 because stuff Iron Valiant runs circles around you anyway.
Latios, a base 110 speed 'mon, with a choice Scarf feeling too slow is absolutely absurd.
@@KDLoki Max airstream was the most broken thing in VGC for three whole years and then they make the exact same mistake again. Boggles the mind.
I just want to share a list of some crazy Pokemon that are PU this gen: Arcanine, Hoopa, Goodra, Meloetta, Rotom-Heat, Scream Tail, Slowbro-G, Staraptor, Tornadus-I, and Wo-Chien.
Rotom-Heat in PU is so criminal
Am I tripping or do I remember Rotom H being OU last gen?
Heracross...
Heracross...
@@NS-pz8nbyeah because heavy Duty boots made it insanely good and it countered pretty much every wall
I never thought Starmie would fall off... until it did. So good for so long.
Yeah, same with Gengar, but that one they actually nerfed to make it bad.
Tyranitar falling seems to be a case of it's weaknesses becoming too easy to exploit and sand not being a very good weather right now.
And the tier being proliferated by stuff that completely ruins it, like ground and fighting being the best offensive types.
A kid name great tusk kept bouncing it away. And Gambit
@@Endershock1678 That's basically the same as the first point.
@@chrisjohnsen8448
I was clarifying the first point, not trying to make a new point.
When Legends ZA releases and Mega Rayquaza falls to ubers
*OU
The only thing I can think about when people talk about t-tar nowdays is when ctc asked blunder to change the item from band to smooth rock because the sand was more useful than the actual mon
Reminds me of my kaizo playthroughs where I'd pick Metagross to set-up walls, because it was the bulkiest wall setting mon available. Gone are the days when Metagross was an offensive threat, now he's just a coaster.
That’s making me of the early Gen 9 days of 4 memento, Level 55 TTar, Houndstone Last Respects teams
Imma be real
Garchomp being one of these hurts my soul
personally i never got too attached to chomp so i just figured this was gonna happen.
Feel the pain of flygon fans
It's never garchover
I’d just hold onto garchomp still being good in any tier over what’s happened to a lot of Pokémon recently.
UU is just OU 2 by this point so it’s not that big a deal
@@duckquack2000 it's uubl though.
I can’t wait until Gen 12 with Kingambit in PU.
Or gen 60 with Mega Ray in Nu
@@magdalenomartinezjr8805gen 100 mega mienfoo X in ZU
@@magdalenomartinezjr8805 Mega Ray is already NU as of Gen 8-9
Golduck will get a surprise buff just you wait, ma boi will topple the tiers!
Such a shame that Punchy Punchers cuts Fraudgambit's HP in half on switch-in.
Dragonite finally made it. What a time to be alive.
Like that simpsons meme
Imagine going back in time 15 years and telling a Gen 4 Player that Cynthia’s entire Diamond & Pearl team would eventually be viable in UU
An honorable mention should go to Gyarados, a former OU and UU terror, now left to try and cut it in NU of all places.
In fighting game terms, this generation is like having a character that was amazing with an invincible wakeup, amazing wall carry combos, combos that can deal 50%, true unreactable 50/50 setups but is dropped to the bottom of the tier list because he doesn't have a frame 1 move that covers the entire screen or a projectile that insrantly kills you or an infinite combo
OU will be the next Ubers
This powercreep be like that moment in frieren when that one unbeatable demon got unsealed.
That kind of sounds like Pikachu Libre in Pokken.
Mew losing recovery moves killed it
Mew losing moves is just insulting imo, its supposed to learn moves, not lose them, might as well not include it in the game.
@@et34t34fdf yeah it should get more moves in it's set
Poor cat
@@errorbirdesther imo, it should get actually every move in the game, not just TMs.
Its typing and stats are nothing special anyway, so why not?
Just give it sketch, so it can do what it wants.
@@et34t34fdf you gotta be trolling, if freaking SMEARGLE learning every move was too much that they had to rework it to not be able to use dark void imagine what mew with actual good stats will do with so many new toys like spore, shell smash, tail glow, extreme speed, geomancy, fishious rend, sticky web and any other broken move you can think of
@@jimtsap04 Wait, are we still pretending to care about game balance, with all the insane stuff they put in it these days?
No, i'm not trolling, so move along.
gen9 is like an alternative timeline of gen5, the one where darkrai & co weren't broken in ou
Lol 🤣🤣🤣
You have a point
I take solace in the fact that Garchomp is STILL not allowed to capitalize on Sand Veil.
I haven't played competitive since gen 6... Some of these mons dropping so hard seems unbelievable.
Instantly thought of tyranitar
People who have never played competitive getting real mad in the comment section
Ok
Snorlax deserves an honorable mention. One of the Big 3 in Gen 1, The Big 1 in Gen 2, solid in OU in gen 3 and 4. It now resides in PU.
Even if it got Slack Off, it would still be bad. Just crazy to think about.
I think we might need more tiers. As it is, having tiering being based on usage only allows for about 25 mons in each tier, when we have 1,000. Either we need to readjust how the tiering system works, we need to add more tiers, or we need to get more stuff restricted in some way.
Honestly, true. Tiers probably need to grow bigger.
Both options have issues:
*Increasing how much pokemon there are in a tier only prevents the lower used pokemon in a tier to shine
*Increasing the amount of tiers: the lower the tier , the less people play them , no point in having so many tiers if no one plays them
There are just too many pokemon to keep everyone happy.
@EggscellentTree yeah NatDex was starting to have this issue in Gen 8, and it's only gotten worse for them in Gen 9. There's just too many Pokemon to keep track of nowadays.
Its ofically tyranitover boys...
What is more unreal about Latios is that in this generation it was LATIAS who was deemed as the better Pokémon, seeing how Latios is UU proper and Latias is UUBL.
Probably because she was a lot bulkier, and could run stored power sets with Agility and Draining Kiss/Aura Sphere for dark types.
Aegislash deserves to be rebuffed
Why powercreep is everything: the thundurus theorem
Thundurus's fall is combination of both powercreep, but more importantly a wide variety of mechanic changes geared to nerf the mon. Thundurus dominated VGC in gen 5, which ultimately resulted in the Electric type immunity to Paralysis in gen 6. Hidden Power nerf and the removal of permanent weather also hit it hard.
Then when Thundurus dominated VGC in gen 6 despite the nerfs, the nerf hammer came again, with Thunder Wave's accuracy being reduced and Dark types now gaining immunity to Prankster moves. Gen 8 later also removed Hidden Power, which is relied on for coverage.
These nerfs set the stage for Thundurus to ultimately fall off from powercreep and end up where it is currently.
Suggesting this to FSG: Why Consistency is close to everything - The Skarmory Theorem
Pokémon that are doing their own specific thing from the Pokémon’s introduction to now.
As someone who has played Pokemon since the beginning, this is one of hardest Pokemon videos I have ever watched
I don't have to worry my favorite pokemon jumpluff is safe ❤
Jumpluff sweep!
I miss pursuit.. it was a move that was very interesting
By the way, Greninja fell to UU.
That’s a loss.
Game freak be like.
Nerfs Pokémon that were op to make them less good and also make Pokémon with bad abilities to balance them.
Also in the same gen add Pokémon with higher bst with no bad abilities and op stats and moves
It's a marketing strategy. They want the new Pokémon to shine to boost sales of products
@@locksquid749 Exactly. They want you to be excited and get invested on new pokemon not keep rolling out the same ones.
my brother in christ, pokemon as a game has fallen off
Defo not true
@megaspacewaffles No, it definitely is true. I've had more fun on Showdown than any main line series game since ORAS.
@@Clooger- Showdown doesn't have all the activities in Scarlet and Violet/Sun/Moon tho
Considering we had a base game and two DLCs that involved save-wiping bugs, you are 100% correct.
Terrakion actually fell all the way down to PU in Gen 9! It got banned almost immediately, but yeah, going all the way down to PU is nutty.
All these OU staples are falling off, yet my boy Volcarona in Ubers.
Volc is in ou atm but another suspect test is happening atm
I knew going into this video, I'd see Garchomp. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I had been wondering about this, another great video!
I think Mew should have an ability that works similar to how Protean used too. Sense Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon it would make sense for it to have an ability that lets it change it’s type depending on what move it uses. I think that would help Mew be better.
Heck just give it un-nerfed Protean and just give Greninja Technician and Meowscarada Magic Guard (and rework Libero somehow) so just Mew and Kecleon have it
@@carucath97 I would definitely love to see Mew have an Protean type ability without the nerf. Especially with its massive move pool.
I watched the whole video constantly thinking "where's T-tar? Is Kev even writing this?" I should've known he would put it in no.1
10:08 Hey, Tentacruel was consistently UU or OU for a while. It’s surprising that it’s down in NU too.
One thing that Garchomp will always have above the others in this video: It gave us an unforgettable champion battle.
And OMG that thumbnail. xD
ironically i forgot about fighting cynthia. i know i beat her but i don't remember what happened. i was a dumb kid back then so considering how easy it was i can only assume i was spamming giratina.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Well I wouldn't know everything about that, my version is Pearl.
The fact that Salamence is in RU after being OU in gen 5 then being uubl in gen 6 and 7 and being uu in gen 8 is just mind boggling now DRAGONITE is the best pseudo legendary dragon out of all of them
baxcalibur says hi in ubers
Salamence in RU is largely a case of being outclassed. It was using strong defensive and special attacking sets prior which kept it near the top of UU, with DD sets used on occasion but TornadusT and later Zappos dropping in took its role and did it better.
Baxcalibur is tiered higher than Dragonite
@@devilrider39000000 sorry did not know that
@@HowlingOneify I bet Mence would be OU if it had Brave Bird
( I know Mence isn't a bird but they let Crobat have it so Mence and Aero should be fair game to get it)
Honestly, it would be interesting to see the other side of the spectrum - Bad pokemon that raised in usage and became great
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Oh dang Ttar's fall from Ubers to RU? THAT was the wake up slap I was not expecting.
the only one that really hurts for me is gengar. they took away its levitate for no reason and just left it in a ditch. it happened right when i was getting into comp too so it was a massive shock. nerf chomp all you want just give me gengar back.
I don’t think they took away levitate for no reason but it does suck.
@@THGMR-ox7sd it was completely unnecessary. this is like if they took away tyranitar's sand stream.
GameFreak dug Gengar's grave and pissed on it lmao
They really were like “the 3d model doesn’t hover in the air so it can’t have levitate” even though Magnemite has NEVER had levitate and Dodrio is still immune to ground (also when Gengar follows the player around in-game IT LEVITATES)
@@Jwashere4 that's why they removed levitate, so it couldn't escape its grave.
You should do this same video for doubles too
That thumbnail made me chuckle more than most
This must’ve been how Master Roshi felt.
If it counts, terrakion falling to PU for a day is a pretty funny one
Not as funny as Furret's brief tenure in OU, IMO.
Wait furret was in OU?!? Please explain.
@@Cicada2204 People liked Furret, and a lot of them were playing around with it after it got access to Tidy Up.
@@usuallyangry erm, that goes for ALL newcomers for a DLC. Garbage like Mightyena and Ariados were OU for the same reason
@breloommaster12 Idc it's still funny to watch Pokémon who usually sit in ZU get to be OU for five minutes
I'm not going to pretend I understand the nuance of it all, but it's still wild to hear how much older Pokémon have fallen this gen.
The biggest reason is because of moveset restrictions. Gen 9 is the first time you could not transfer old moves into the new generation, which led to a lot of mons losing previously staple moves like Scald, Knock Off, Roost, Defog, Heal Bell, Toxic, and many more. The Scald and Knock Off tm returned with dlc but they didn't return it to every mon that had it.
Mew is a great example of this, historically it used Softboiled or Roost as its recovery and in gen 9 it lost both. Without recovery it struggles to do anything setup-wise and just became a tricky hazard setter/potential breaker all the way down in NU
Came here after a few years just to get back into the mess. This is the video the community needed. Thank you False Swipe for dropping the video that the competitive scene needed
Regarding Mew: it's important to remember that Baton Pass has been banned for several generations. Given Mew's bulk and support movepool, that's one of its scariest tools taken away.
The day mewtwo becomes nu or imagine a day where mega Rayquaza becomes PU
OU tier: “I don’t wanna play with you anymore.”
alot of people feel that way about ou right now cause its basicly broken checks broken checks broken checks broken type of meta. threat saturation
The more generations Pokémon cycles through, the more *perfect* Pokémon get caught in the higher tiers. S/V is different, because Gamefreak intentionally created perfect Pokémon designed to be bosses and pushed everything down a tier or two (Staraptor, my beloved)
Honestly, it's remarkable that Garchomp stayed so relevant despite Fairy and not getting absurd buffs
Gliscor really representing as the only one in Gen 4 to not have fallen off once.
It remained OU.
Honorable mentions to Zapdos dropping to UU, Staraptor being PU after failing to be UUBL once again, Heracross sitting comfortably in NU and Milotic and Snorlox being buddies in PU without destroying the tier
To be fair Zapdos was also UU in Gen 5
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
this video just reinforces how insane dragonite is in singles that ALL of these pokemon fell and he hasnt budged at all
Power creep wouldnt be as bad if they constantly buffed older mons by a lot and kept the balance changes public. They should go further with thay and be more transparent
Gen 10...gholdengo falls off to UU and Mewtwo in OU
I joked to a friend how in Gen 10 we'll see Garchomp, Landorus, and Zacian in NU.
I worry that one day that'll be a reality.
Chomp would never survive a meta where Zacian is present.
Seeing chomp in ZU would make my heart sing
I've always hated the overrated bastard.
I'm currently satisfied with my robot Tyranitar (and do not badmouth Iron Thorns, because it's my favorite Paradox Pokémon)
Iron Thorns got done dirty. There's no reason it should feel that underpowered.
@@rjante2236 I use my shiny one for raids a lot, and its Supercell Slam is excellent
Using the St. Anne music for Mew was a nice touch lol
Power creep in Gens 5, and 7 felt “alright”. But Gen 9’s power creep just feels violating for some reason lol
Hope Gens 11 and 13 follow the same pattern with 5 and 7.
Deoxys Defense actually ended up in RU in Gen 8 NatDex, largely due to Heavy Duty Boots
Landorus-Therian almost fell to UU at one point