Red Bull's REAL Secret Weapon (It's NOT the DRS)
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Red Bull are ALREADY running away with the 2023 constructors title but why are they so good? Do they have a super mega DRS advantage or is something else at play here?
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Dude I said this when your channel was just starting out that you'd be the *Go-to* guy for F1 data analysis, and now you're living up to it. Good job and keep up the good work mate. Hope you're enjoying the ride though, it's only gonna keep growing
You've been here since the start... Thanks so much man
This video is a prime example of the difference between an F1 fan and an F1 fan who happened to be a former F1 engineer. Great stuff man!
I think the suspension kinematics on that RB - is where the innovation and advantage lies. I remember reading in an Autosport article with Rob Marshall iirc, that Newey spent a lot of time on this area, and the aero on the RB18/19 was mostly conceptualised by Fallows. Either that, or it's some trickery in the powertrain harvesting and deployment.
This makes sense so much with their Supreme fast cornering and high speeds at the straights at the same time
I think they definitely found a way to get enough downforce while also keeping the suspension relatively softer. The lifting off in Eau Rouge at Spa would also point to this. They drop the rear at higher speeds, but Mercedes do that as well to a certain extent, check out the sparks. Something Red Bull do better is the anti-dive and front wing outwash. It helps get cleaner air to the rear wing at high yaw angles when the floor seal is not as tight.
Your videos are getter better, slicker and more professional each time. Dare I suggest that you're gradually becoming less of a fraud? Keep up the amazing work dude. And stop buying your bloody meat at Tesco!
Thank you sir Bojo! I don't EVEN dare think about tesco meal deals. not my vibe
It would be weird if DRS gave them the biggest advantage, in first you don't get DRS (unless you're lapping)
Fair point. But DRS is always used in qualifying - so there's that!
In first, with a large gap between second means, second isn't getting much DRS either.
I had no idea you were a F1 engineer. Kudos to you for doing that and for now pursuing your other passion. But bigger thanks for all the content to us mortals! Thank you.
Phenomenal video. In the absence of Chain Bear (where did he go anyway!?), you've become pretty much the only F1 channel on CZcams offering regular high quality analysis with data.
He's great! I think he's taking a little break. Also thanks for the kind words!
Another brilliant video giving us great insight! The Redbull seems to be great in all areas truly a monster of car allowing them to push whenever they want without destroying there tires. Another Newey master class in design
I think Adrian is absolutely brilliant, but I feel like he gets too much of the credit of the numerous other key players contribute to the overall performance of the car.
@@brrrake Exactly!! Full respect to Adrian Newey but people talk like he is the one who designed the car from top to bottom whereas I think it's more of a team's hardwork.
@@brrrake it’s always the head of department that gets all the credit it would be nice for the rest of his team if he or Horner mentioned there names to show how much they are appreciated and valued
@@brrrake well, I am fully aware it takes huge team effort to deliver such a brilliant piece of engineering, but - and it's something I would love to hear from You in some video - how many of those engineers came to RB because RB is a top team or they like red bull drink (doubt it was anyone's motivation), and how many came for the opportunity of working with the legendary Adrian Newey?
@@Arek-nb9pt my motivation was to work for a big team with a big budget as well as the fact that I liked the team culture and attitudes...
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Cheers, Eduardo! I'd rather advertise more of my own stuff 😂 Honestly though. I don't think ALL of the detail is suitable for CZcams, but I LOVE going into all of the detail!
your production quality has really improved! loving the evolution of your channel as you gain more traction and look forward to more high quality content. you're easily my favorite channel to watch for more information on F1 performance analysis.
keep up the great work!
Thanks man!
I think it's 2010-13 all over again.
"RedBull Aero supremacy."
Adrian newey strikes once again
Love the new animations you added on the telemetry. Makes the video way more dynamic, great stuff!
and at summer break and we're still wondering how they managed to get that sweet spot balance of top speed, downforce and tire wear
Do everything really well, few things 100% and very few things badly. Haha easy right?
I know how They are doing it, but I don't want to spill the beans. 😉
@@stephensegal5187 I don't think they fully understand either. Maybe they'll pay you for the insight 😅
I know you worked in F1 for years, however, your content, delivery and expertise is quite awesome for us F1 fans. It’s quite a different perspective as you get into the weeds of it. Would love to see videos about (in super detail) the front aero, the middle aero if it has much and lastly the rear. How it all works. TV doe not get into much detail at all about theses things. I’ve only been an F1 fan, this being my 5 year. I know way more now than I did but I find this all very interesting. The behind the scenes of how the cars work.
Great video! I'm curious to see what choices Aston is going to make during the year regarding development. Will they be looking for a less draggy car and subsequently try running with more downforce? It seems they are one upping the Mercs when it comes to tire management (as you said, high drag / low downforce isn't necessarily a bad thing). Maybe they'll be looking into one lap performance to challenge for second row on the regular and let their race pace (i.e. Padre) take it from there. Who knows. going to be interesting either way.
Honestly it's hard to say where they will go. They are competitive in everything except straight line. Last year the W13 came alive at super high downforce tracks... let's see if the W14 has this characteristic. I think the Aston is great, and if they can find some efficiency (I don't think it will be easy), they could be on for a winner. It's probable that these gains from AM will be pretty cemented for the rest of this cycle.
I enjoy these a lot, different than anything else on F1 YT. I may have a suggestion for another video. Would you consider making a video on why slipstream is less effective with current design compared to the past?
Bruh…….Red Bulls REAL weapon is Max. GOAT
What if you sync battery boost to drs activation.
Really appreciate this content during the F1 month long break. 🙏
Paused the video at 0:01, I am going to guess the real reasons for my charging bulls dominance. 1) Max and Checo are the best drivers in the field (Max especially), 2) Tire (yes I’m American) deg is better for their car with it being designed more for Max, but also because Checo is such a master of tire deg that he can adapt to any car given enough time, 3) The aero is just superior, especially the floor which they figured out last year and have only improved upon this year
Edit: Finished the video, great as always! Keep up the great content 😀
I think the biggest advantage is again in the aero, but also the suspension design to complement it. I think the push rod rear unlike most teams was found to have an advantage by Adrian and they used that to design a floor that lowered the rear on the straights but didn’t stall out in the slow corners, which having always ran a high rake design fits the MO of the team and the best designer F1 has ever seen
Reasonable initial impression! Thanks man and thanks for the comments and feedback
@@brrrake Thanks! Obviously my first half of my comment was mostly being a Red Bull fanboy, but I really think they will continue to dominate the season even more than last year because the concept proved true and they were able to evolve it. The floor has to be a huge part of that considering they have never had porpoising issues like their “closest rivals” (merc, fer). But also, everyone should be very wary of Aston Martin, the “old man” Alonso is looking very hungry and dangerously fast. Let’s all hope this year is a safely eventful one 😀
You really break it all down so digestibly ( unlike apparently the meat from Tesco) Great episode Blake
Super underrated
Thanks for the effort
I saw somewhere someone mention the possible use of a non-newtonian fluid in the RB rear suspension system, to help with cornering and/or lowering the rear on the straights as load increases. Is this something you've heard? Would it be possible?
I have heard an -in my humble opinion - a better explanation. After Pérez shunted his car in Monaco the floor was exposed for everyone to photograph. We saw that the transition from the floor to the diffuser wasn't smooth, but there were visible steps instead... like a staircase. Now, the theory is that when the rear wing is closed, there is a huge low pressure below the rear wing which assists the diffuser in keeping the flow attached, however, when the wing is open the flow detaches due to the specific steepness of said steps, which significantly reduces downforce.
The one possible flaw I could see with this is that the floor and diffuser are relatively very aero efficient and the lack of downforce would increase ride height, but honestly who knows... I don't, that is for sure
You have some very good points here I think.
The drs advantage is real, look at monaco, the rb19 not that fast in other sector, but max smashed the 3rd sector. High downforce setup for monaco, that also mean lots of load, when drs open, the speed advantage is also massive.
That's not where you find time around Monaco. It's not the DRS
Thanks, great video.
Great breakdown.
Another brilliant video....As usual
And some sky sport f1 so called "journalists" even openly said that Red Bull's DRS alone was a "over 1 sec advantage" over competitors
Context is always important...
@@brrrake In that case was specific to Australia in race trim conditions. Still a pretty bold and pointless assumption anyway...
Anyway if you want a tip for a video: something more in dept about floors. At the end of the day are probably the most underrated and important part of new cars.
Or maybe something about the beam wings
@@AndreaGiramondi I'd definitely do a video on floors or the beam wing but I'm not an aerodynamicist
underrated channel
Double floor
Since this ground effect cars generate most of its downforce with the floor
Having a “second floor” can be a differential, if you look at the negative space under the side pod creates a shape that very resembles the profile of underfloor to compress air and expand
Can you elaborate more?
@@stephensegal5187 I think is going to be a little hard to understand without visuals but let’s see…
I believe at this point almost everyone understand how the underfloor works; large throat, narrow in the middle, large at the diffuser, the difference in the speed of the air is what generates downforce, also is ideal to seal the sides of the floor so the air won’t escape, it is usually done generating vortexes on the edges of the floor.
So far so good, the idea it’s the same in every car.
Now what I called ‘double floor’ is above all this, Red Bull since the beginning of 2022 has a huge undercut under the inlets of the side pods and had gone even extreme since then, going towards the rear of the car there’s a little gap between the side pod and the floor it’s almost the same profile as the underfloor: large throat, narrow gap, large exit but there’s a problem; there’s no diffuser to expand the air and it can’t be sealed but it can be used to seal the underfloor.
Mercedes with the zeropods had a problem sealing the floor, because the air that goes through that area was divided going to the radiators and outside but not guided to the edges of the floor while Red Bull all the air goes underneath the sidepod and is forced to the edges and to the rear so it can run higher than Merc without loosing downforce and not loosing downforce and not bottoming out or porpoising.
Now this is just my take and I’m not aerodynamicist or anything I just a guy like anyone else that likes f1
That's a great explanation indeed! Can you make a video about how the setup of the car, not only the rear wing, affect the tyre degradation? and what actually a setup means in F1?
Have you been looking at my script drafts? 😅😅
its the power unit honda. combined aero package of redbull thats why they are super fast in other team whether its straight line corner speed and any track. They hit the target.🏁🏆
Disagree. Partially. AlphaTauri is consistently on the low end of top speed range.
@@brrrake alpha tauri did not apply or copy the car concept of redbull thats why they are slow. They insist to stick with there own car concept.
@@typeRbull72 the engine is not it.
Blake, about the DRS delta, they surely would be affected by wing setup wouldn't they? I mean, F1 still uses clicks to dial downforce as needed, Right? Or do they just change the whole wing on a track by track basis?
As a sugestion, what are the variables that make a car operate on a greater or smaller setup window? For sure the RB19 must be a very versatile car on that regard. A video on the topic would be interesting!
As always, thanks for the vid.
The clicks refers to front wing angle. The rear wing is typically a partial or whole assembly change
There are so many pieces to the success of the RB19 three races into 2023 season…and everyone from the other teams to race reporters and race analysts are frantically scrambling to “rationalize” the situation…your cool and analytical examinations have great merit and have led me to focus on the pull rear suspension and dual spring tuning…
Big up Blake aka Brrrake!
Where's that cayyut? Does the cat only appear when it senses Dan's beard?
RBR have a warp bubble generator, which literally slices through space time at any speed they think they can get away with.
Actually, you are not that far off.
Low drag, optimised aero and a stallable beam wing at high speed or when drs is open. They already had a rear suspension package that lowered at top speed (double sprung or torsion bar perhaps), anti dive/squat geometry on RB19 is extreme and super effective. Result is that the lowest possible ride height is now available without (a noticeable) trick (and heavier) suspension. The gearbox issues they have is an anomaly that suggests it's either a result of extreme driveshaft angles, too lightweight driveshaft (barely strong enough) or perhaps some mechanical traction control that's barely legal? You're welcome 👍
"you're welcome" 😅 a bit smug.
Most of this stuff is the random bingo card things you read in any tech article, most of the journalist regurgitating these lines don't even understand the concepts. I don't think the amount of anti dive they are running is particularly high or even very interesting from a suspension and platform control point of view. The rear is probably more interesting though 🤔
Certainly there's something going on at SOME tracks with the DRS effectiveness, but it's not "baked in" to the car as it varies from track to track.
@@brrrake anti squat at front was added to W14 EVO and appears to show gains - The rear of the RB19, the gearbox must be so compact as the floor has a 1/4pipe on the exit, is that what is creating the flow capable of stalling the beam wing? Do you think RB will take all the component penalties they can at Spa? as it will be a massacre of the field if they both start at the back there and low risk for them because of that
Different, but I like the change😊, keep them comming
Red Bull has the best aero dynamic efficiency and race pace
Car's just good all around feels like! Efficient on Aero, Mechanically on point, beautiful engine... Pretty much all comes together in a great car.
Autosport putting out a video today talking about the DRS wing 🙃
It's interesting but it's not the whole picture, and neither is this video.
bro looks like the cool english teacher
I was and still am terrible at English. I wanna do physics 😭😭
what's the technical difference between outlap and build lap?
assume tire warm up,but what are they doing with the car specifically
From a preparation point of view very little. Let's say one needs a build lap. On both the out and build lap they will be focusing on generating heat in the tyres without sliding too much. Other considerations (an out lap alone will do) is battery charge. But that's usually achieved on the in lap of the previous run
@@cookhall08you are running around "sniffing" track conditions at say a percentage of full speed, call it 80% of capacity or whatever. You corner and brake in such a way that you create slip into the tires in an effort to generate THE RIGHT AMOUNT of heat. You can do that by turning in late and aggressively, or by accelerating super hard a gear lower than full out, and you can do these "manuvers" strategically in an effort to build heat in a certain tire, or a pair of tires, etc.
IMO, the difference for RBR may well be a mechanical grip advantage.
I don't think that's really it. A combination of good balance and predictable balance, but their main performance advantage is typically in HS and MS, which implies aerodynamic superiority with at least a reasonable level of Mechanical Grip - it's not like they are slaughtering teams in LS zones.
@@brrrake if you have good mechanical grip, it follows that you need less aero and therefore less drag?
@@camf7522 yeah but to a limit ... There's only so much more mechanical grip you can add.
@@brrrake and also an aero advantage is harder to gain in a low speed corner. I think your common Cessna 180 wing stalls at about 48mph (about 77kmh). So if you translate that to the floor, that will give you an idea of what is happening there.
Great video Blake. What would you do if you were working as a performance engineer at Mercedes or Ferrari? Would you be thinking about changing the concept of the car? Mercedes and Ferrari say there may be not enough room for improvements compared to Red Bull. Does data suggest this could be true?
This is a really good question. One that should receive some attention. 😀
I think the simplest answer is it's just overall a better car suspension engine aerodynamics chassis that all works together
The story of every fast f1 car ever
FFS... Williams has been "sacrificing the current year to prepare for the next" for HOW many seasons? :(
Has Redbull got a bendy floor i wonder?
I don't know at all how Red Bull have done it but they have certainly pulled a fast one somewhere to get around the regulations. Being over a second a lap faster than the opposition sometimes is just TOO good to be true and points towards some sort of chicanery.
Nope. Red Bull have always been one of the best aero and chassi teams on the grid. Even when Merc had a dominant engine RB could still win on chassi dependant tracks
Which teams are 1s behind? You must mean the mid of the midfield.
Mr Data is back with another banger 😎👌
Why did they struggle in Austria and Brazil
We have not raced in Austria and Brazil this year.
Austria was tyre wear if I remember correctly, and Brazil was a wrong setup or ride height, I think. I'm assuming you mean 2022. No idea why they had the wear in Austria though. Would be interesting what Mr Blake thinks about these two.
No way man . If you don't balance the induction flange valves with 1.21 gigawatts . You will get cross-mojination of the flux-capacitor ......... Duh ! ... First day with your new engineering degree ???
My bad dude
Your forgetting the part that red bull gives you wings... no wonder they fly over the track.....
Now on a serious note, what I'm curious about is the following. It seems that Red Bulls tires are difficult to heat before the start of the race or behind a safety car. How much does that tell you about the deg. In other words, are cars with high degradation also able to get tires faster in the right temperature window?
It felt like this was Australia specific no? Or did I miss some other instances where it was an issue
@@brrrake Perez also did had trouble with Jeddah where Alonso past him in the first corner. In Jeddah the restart Max also had in the beginning more issues holding them (sainz and hamilton) behind then attack Russell.
Perez was also passed by Leclerc in Bahrain in the opening lap
In my opinion, what happens is with downforce added, your tires slip less, and at some point, getting heat into them becomes the new challenge (we'll, it is if you have a very robust downforce problem)..... So in a word "yes", RB has to combat this issue more than others because their design demands it.
So, it looks like competitors can try to recover the gap in terms of qualy performance, but...they will stay miles away about tires management??
It seems possible to be true!
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Uniqlo!
the secret is Adrain Newey !!!! the best F1 designer ever !! they dont really need a top f1 driver any driver would probably do !! this is what Adrian seems to do to any team he joins !!!
Really?
@@brrrake well the stats show it , yes
@@alangunningham5667 he is good but we wouldn't be having many of these conversations without Max in the car...
@@brrrake of course we would dopey... you would just be supporting that person instead of max , most people only support the winning driver at the time
@@alangunningham5667 I disagree. 😅 but that's just my opinion.
When we look back at it ten years from now, we will credit way more of Red Bulls current dominance to Max Verstappen's speed.
Why wait so long? 😅
I’ve sat next to this guy on a plane hahaha
Haha what's up dude 😎 stay safe out there brother 🚵
"...not crazy speed for a DRS overtake..." But, but, but Sir Lewis said it was ThE FaStEsT CaR eVar!
It happens. I mean he was overtaken around a bend which is basically a straight at a quite reasonable speed.
@@brrrake Thanks; I was more eye-rolling at Lewis than criticizing your data. I'll take numbers over feelz any day.
As long as We are getting eyerolls from Lewis et all, His WF11 was actually MUCH faster than anything else before or since.
Ferrari is watching this video.
There is no help for them!
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Greetings
These vids are sick. Found this one hard to follow the logic through all the different topics, might be better to go even higher level, show the relevant categories in a graphic and save the deep dives for individual vids?
Maybe so...!
I think you just need to gain a better understanding by watching more of His videos. 😉
At times your video seems to be dropping frames and it looks weird
I've not seen or heard this... I'll look into it!
Do you have any example timestamps?
@@brrrake 8:32
Four "little bits" in one sentence? Fail.
You ok son?
What's the answer? Well I'll let you know if you go pay me for it! Like everyone else!
I gave you all of my answers. If you want all of the detailed nuance that doesn't particularly make a great engaging video, you can support my hard work for painstakingly spending hours doing the hard analysis work that no one else has the experience or time to do. If you don't need that stuff, enjoy the video. It's free. 👍
Overall the package is just good but it's a trickery combination of the underfloor with the suspension + weight cut. Simple as that. Just look at how aston martin found over 2 seconds when Fallows joined the team, coincidence? Probably not. Is it legal, we'll find out. Also nobody is discussing how a team can find over 2 seconds in that short period without any changes to the technical rules etc.
On top of that it's just laughable to set a budget cap, then RB went over it, got a very mild penalty BUT the other teams don't get the allowance to use additional money ( the exact same amount RB was over ) to close the gap that RB has now. In my opinion the FIA just created this gap. What do you expect, that the teams will get closer by sticking to the budget cap.
Additionally just by logic, this year RB should be over the budget again because they weren't aware of their mistake until later last year BUT i'm sure the FIA will do nothing about it. At this point it's just comedy, this has nothing to do with a serious sport and more about entertainment and having different teams win the championship. Just my subjective opinion.
I am a bit astonished. How many times was said to watch a different video? Why make this video then?
Shall I delete it?
I literally have no clue how to respond to comments like this. Go watch some of the completely baseless, non-factual, BS clickbait videos if you don't like it
@@brrrake No! I like your videos. I would like it if you reduce your speed of talking (I think lots of non native English speakers like me love your insights). Just put links at the end of your video to have us (ok, me) to watch more of your insights. Please do not be offended' you are one of the better ones!
@@rensvanderploeg1945 I'm so I misunderstood the intent of the message. I like to keep the videos to a single topic but I'm sure you understand I have to work so hard against my ADHD to stay on topic... But just to share with people there are reasons to subscribe because these ideas will come! Thanks for clarifying your statement. I do appreciate it.
I'm always trying to find a good balance for my video pacing
@@brrrake please continue and I will try to be less blunt, sorry (you should be used to Dutch directness)
Ps : shit bad joke
Blegh, don't go the DRIVER61 route please... Your content is excellent. Is there really a need for the bullshit, generic title??
This is an excellent title for the video and EXACTLY what the video is about. 👍 Do you have any suggestions? I'd consider them if they are good!
What's "This"? end the clickbait titles and get to the point
It's literally the entire topic of the video and explained in the first 30 seconds. Welcome to CZcams. I hope you enjoyed the video!