As tempting as it is to get the 990 Pro, I think I will get a 980 Pro for my new PC build and wait for the new PCIE 5.0 SSDs that will probably come out next year. I've seen reports of possibly up to 15 GB/sec performance on the upcoming PCIE 5.0 SSDs.
One of the big plus factors of the Samsung drives is their minimal failure rate, which can't be said for most other ssd manufacturers. But the 980 Pro was already borderline perfect, so whatever the 990 Pro may improve, is going to be more or less insignificant. I would rather have the reliability of the Samsung drive, than the greater read/write longevity of something like the FireCuda drive. The FireCuda only really seems tempting if you're someone who regularly installs/destalls games and content and produce a lot of video content as well, like streaming, where you may collect lots of clips on a shorter basis - but for long-term critical data like professional work for clients etc, Samsung all the way.
Hey man just had a question for you. I’m going for a build with super high end specs eg a 4090 and i9 13900K in your honest opinion is the 990 pro SSD super noticeably better then the 980 pro or is it just slightly better. Cause I’ve seen the prices for both of them and the 990 pro is a lot more compared to the 980 pro and I’m just trying to save money. Overall in your opinion is the 990 pro significantly better then the 980 bro or is the 980 pro a good option to go with. Sorry for rambling on man if you were to respond words could not express my gratitude 🙏🏼
@@shoto_9 Hey there! And I would say no, there is definitely not a very noticeable difference. Definitely not anything worth spending extra for unless you absolutely need the increase in speed for very specific professional work. Most people barely saturate a gen 3 nvme, let alone a standard gen 4 drive - and the 980 Pro is still in the high end. Samsung drives also tend to be greatly upmarked in price when they launch and usually are worth buying +1 year post launch, and this is why the 980 Pro is now significantly cheaper than it used to be. So my suggestion is, if you want to make your build now, definitely go for the 980 Pro. You will save a lot of money, and 99% of cases you will not notice ANY performance difference. The 990 Pro only really exists so that Samsung by technicality can say they have the fastest drive - but only by a miniscule margin. No reason to pay 50% more for 1-5% more real world performance. I would only suggest the 990 Pro if you do a lot of video editing and very heavy file handling on a daily basis. Tons of 8K stuff etc. But if you don't have this need, then there's no reason to get it over the 980.
@@Real_MisterSir perfect man thank you very much for such an in depth answer. I just had one more question for you man. I’m not quite sure if you know this motherboard but I wanted to get the “MSI MPG Z790 Edge Wi-Fi DDR5 Motherboard” in your honest opinion man is this a really strong motherboard to have, especially with specs like the i9 13900K and the 4090. I’ve just been a little concerned cause a lot of people are saying it has pretty bad bios. Is that anything to worry about. Sorry for rambling on man and thanks so much for your answers :)
@@shoto_9 I don't have much experience with modern MSI boards so I can't really tell, but from a bit of research it seems to be a decent z790 board. I mean, I am personally running the 13900K on a B660 board from Asus so I don't think the hardware compatibility will be an issue :D In terms of BIOS, Asus is a brand I certainly can recommend. Imo they have one of the best BIOS setups with some built-in features that not all manufacturers provide (for example I can still overclock my 13900K even though it's not a Z-class board and technically shouldn't be allowed, but Asus doesn't care what Intel says haha). Either way, I don't think you will have any more risk with the Z790 Edge from MSI compared to any other board in its price range. I did see some people talk about potential audio issues with the ALC4080 Codec that the Edge's soundcard uses, but many of the modern Z690 and Z790 boards use this soundcard so even if there would be occasional issues with audio, it could probably be fixed with driver updates. If you fancy the MSI Edge board, and it has all the features you need, then I wouldn't hold back on it. If you want to do any sort of major overclocking then maybe look for a higher end board or an Asus variant for their good BIOS features, but it's really not a requirement. The Edge should do absolutely fine. Again though, in terms of specific BIOS issues I do not have any experience with this board so I can't in good confidence give advice here - but personally I couldn't find many people who were troubled by the BIOS.
Depending what you're doing, you may not notice any practical difference. The super high performance is only going to ever be reached on HEDT or workstation platforms with the available IO lanes, and applications that will use the IOPS and bandwidth. That's where you'll really see them fly. For loading up COD maps or playing Minecraft, it's overkill on an extreme level.
Forget speeds I want more storage , we have been stuck on small m2 sizes since interception of gen 2 gens it’s about time we start seeing hd size replacements that are cost effective
Is there really even a point to giant sized m.2? I feel like those should be used for things that are for that computer. Stuff you’d never need to be mobile. Other hand you can just pull out a 8tb solid state and take it to another country and boom. All your files are fine.
@@ToastyClam I want an 8TB nvme. Pro cameras are going up in megapixels and that means bigger RAW files. Sending a days worth of photos over to look at takes buffering for the computer to create thumbnails. I have some HDD drives that are 80MBs read speed so it takes a while to look up photos every time you open the folders. SSD is faster, but not the instant nvme does when you move the files over to it. It takes just a few minutes of transfer like 300MBs to the nvme and much quicker to edit from the nvme.
@@heezdeadjim if you do really big long size file moves in the 100s of GBs look at getting the 970 pro drives. they were samsungs last drives that don't use a cache and isntead the full drive runs at the rated speeds. If you just move 100gb or so here and there faster drives will benfit if you have pcie 4.0 m.2 slots.
The power usage is actually interesting for users putting this into a laptop. Power usage really matters on SSDs in laptops as it can adversely affect battery life.
true , that has been a concern for me , to the point i had to remove my samsung nvme , because it was making a really hot spot on the botom side where the SSD is . and i think i lost 15 to 30% runtime on battery i had to go back to the "shitty" nvme provided with the laptop , wich i dont even feel the warm thru the chassis
@@tfoutfou21000 yep, I went with a SK Hynix P31 and actually increased the battery life of my laptop! Many WD drives (like the blue and green) are good on battery life, but the performance isn't great. Right now the most efficient drive I know of is the one I mentioned above. I just bought a P41 for my workstation and a P31 for my new laptop since the P41 is "more efficient" in terms of work per watt but uses more power while active VS the P31.
hello can you leave more info about the power usage ? i want to get the 980 pro for my OS drive on PCIE 3.0 (seeing it performs better than 970 evo plus, has lower idle power and lower temps) . I can't resource a p31 gold tho..
I'm less interested in the raw transfer speed, and more interested in the increase in IOPS and how that translates to timeline perf. I liked your comparison between a HDD, SATA SSD, Gen3 and Gen4 drive to really show that latency difference. I'm curious if it would even be noticeable between the 980 Pro and 990 Pro, or any of the other high drives like the 530.
Treat this video like an advertisement. These aren't available yet so obviously Samsung have either sponsored the video or provided the drives with an embargo agreement that limits what you can do with it until X date. It's a 14 minute advert with 3 minutes of actual benchmarks and they just happen to be the most basic synthetic tests that show the biggest increase in speed, when real world tasks like loading up windows or games would show very little improvement.
@@bigpoppa1234 I would have called it more of an overview than an advertisement. I think he's pretty objective in his testing and his conclusions, and you make it sound like he's shilling, to some degree, for Samsung. Besides, I know how this works... I've received review samples. I also know that people really won't see the diff between the two in general usage, which isn't what I was asking about. He did some interesting real world testing between different storage tech in the timeline, which is what I'd be interested in seeing.
@@hasanraza4980 LOL! Seriously tho, as a secondary drive... just toss it in a PCIe to m.2 adapter, and BAM! As a boot drive, you'll need some sort of boot loader... and it's honestly not worth it. Probably won't see much diff between it and a good SATA drive.
@@TheGameBench Yes of course... I'm very very happy with my SATA SSD in my Optiplex 9020. Btw it was nice hearing from you. I never upgraded my Optiplex and running it with iGpu but watched your every optiplex video start to finish. Really enjoyed your content❤️
I just bought 970 Pro 1TB for same price as 980 Pro 1TB, manufactured november 2021, I thought they don't manufacture 970 Pro anymore.. I wanted higher endurance than 980 Pro and have only a 3.0 motherboard (x370 with ryzen 5800x). Also enabled 16% (152 GB) of over-provisioning for even more endurance, the C:\ partition shows 800 GB :) 970 Pro 1TB actually has 1024 GB, not 1000 GB like other 1TB SSDs or hard drives. So 970 Pro shows 953 GB on C:\ partition while other 1TB ssds show 931 GB. Same for 970 Pro 512 GB model, it has 12 GB more than 500 GB SSDs. 980 Pro 1TB has 1000 GB, so 24 GB less than 970 Pro 1TB.
The 970 PRO is one of the last SSDs to use an MLC controller, which is much more enduring than TLC or QLC, both of which are used in most performance or budget SSDs. The 970 PRO tend to be more expensive than the 980 PRO by a long shot, and I feel glad that you got an excellent bargain and are happy about it 😀
Big differences 970 pro doesn't have an slc cache (it's MLC based) , so all free space is like a slc cache speed wise, so if you have 500gb of free space you can write at 500gb at full advertised write speed for that whole time at full speed (little slower after) where as the 980/990 Pro has a relatively small slc cache size before they drop to TLC write speeds and incress in latency which was not stated in this video, 990 Pro is around 220gb when drive is empty and reduces as the drive gets filled up with 10gb always available when drive space mostly used up, write speed drops to 1.4GB/s once the slc cache has ran out and is in TLC direct write mode, but you would have to be writing constantly to find this noticeable but again 970 pro has full write speed for whole drive write (something like 3000MB/s constantly)
@@leexgx that used to be what the pro line got you was full speed for the full drive. But somewhere along the line samsung followed everyone else and went for slc cache and dram got got rid of the full drive using mlc. The drive endurance seems quite similar though at least on paper .
I upgraded from 970 Pro's to 980 Pro's about a month after I upgraded the rest of my system. While Atto shows the speed difference between Gen 3 and Gen 4, which is considerably bigger than the difference between the 980 and 990, I really could not tell a difference in using the system for video editing and gaming. I doubt anyone will tell the difference between the 980 and 990, and I myself will not be upgrading.
DON'T buy into those 'headline' read/write figures - almost(!) every purchaser of 'fast' nvme drives never take account of that 'weakest read/write link' in the chain rule. As a result, their speeds never, ever even get close to marketing.
Some people want fast. Some people want reliable. I’ll take reliable over fast any day. So far Samsung drives have been very reliable to me and my info.
The majority of M2 SSD usage utilizes reading speed. Your PC installs (writes) the OS, a software, or a game only once, but it reads them every day. And judging from the test results, it is obvious that the reading speed of the 980 PRO is almost as par with the 990 PRO. So I will go with the cheaper 980 PRO until I see a new product with about double-speed improvement over the previous gen.
11:30 This aged really bad with this whole Life/Health Status issue going on where people are having only 50% Life left with only 2TB Written in a few weeks. Samsung really destroyed their reputation in terms of reliability with this issue. Also there is almost no transparency/info from Samsung about the issue.
This only affected ONE badge of 2021 980 Pro 2TB SSDs fron one specific factory. Ask Kingston about the A400 or MSI about literally any SSD...or what about Western Digital and their false advertisement or the first Adata SSDs which caught on fire (bet you forgot about that one didnt you). Its not a big deal.
@@Waldherz "no big deal", yet you're responding to a months old comment. I was talking about the 990 Pro, not the 980. SSD health going down to 50% in 2 weeks of use you call "no big deal"? You're completely ok about a company not giving any transparency for months about such a big issue? Samsung of all companies is best know for its reliability. I've bought 3 Samsung 990 PRO 2TB drives and put them into my RTX 4090 i9-13900k PC. I'm in IT. I know what I'm talking about. Maybe don't get so defensive about something that in your eyes is "no big deal"? xD
This video above was posted on October 18, 2022. In February 2023, people started suffering rapidly degrading Samsung 980 Pro and 990 Pro NvME SSDs. It was not an isolated issue and Samsung released a firmware update, which was suppose to fix the degradation issue on their NvMe drives. As of today, Sept 02, 2023, since the firmware fix was released, I have not read any further issues, but in contrast, there are no reports that the firmware fixed the issue either. In addition, this is too early to tell, but time will tell us if the Samsung NvME drives were saved by the firmware fix or whether the future will face more drive issues because the firmware did not work well enough. What was faulty at first, will most likely be faulty in the end as well. That was the reason why I returned my 990 Pro to the store, because the risk was too high the drive would still fail. Simply this, I am building a new computer and to install a potentially risky drive on the assumption the issue was fixed, was not good enough. I would rather not use the Samsung NvME drives and go with another reliable product. As a result, I went and got WD_Black SN850X instead, it is comparable, just as good and is not suffering firmware issues.
I think that most people want to see real world performance comparisons like launching an app or game, loading windows, etc. more so than synthetic benchmarks that don't really relate well to actual everyday usage difference. Synthetic benchmarks, though interesting, don't really seem to tell me if an SSD will save me how many seconds or negligible real world difference.
The only real world benefit is for high speed intranet/file transfers. And even then it's not that big of a benefit and you require pretty beefy infrastructure (starting with a 10gbe network). These improvements on the 990 (that aren't even in every element, eg the read speeds are identical) is 30%, which isn't nothing but they're already at massive high speed to start with. I'd get one to run my OS or I wanted to buy a new drive (assuming the prices aren't outrageous) but 99.999% of people would never even notice the difference between one of these and a 980, and in most tasks you'd never notice between a Sata drive.
@@bigpoppa1234 I do believe stuff loads faster. We just don’t know by how much. Is it 0.1s, 1s, a few seconds? I’ve seen a review of the SK Hynix p41 loading something that take other SSDs 12 seconds in 7 seconds. But the vast majority of reviews don’t bother informing the audience of the real world difference.
@@jackka82 In this case I suspect that Samsung have provided the drivers under a review embargo that limits the benchmarks to the three shown here. Would need to wait until the drivers are available in public to get actual useful information on real world applications.
@@bigpoppa1234 since 980Pro they do not provide any extra NVMe-drivers for their SSDs anymore, they just use standard Microsoft Windows ("stornvme") drivers as any other NVMe-drives out there (important for DirectStorage compatibility).
@@bigpoppa1234 i think its better to have fastest ssd because overtime when ssd is loaded with data it doesn't give the same performance as new. I dont feel my 6yr old sata 850 evo has same performance when new and TBW limit of 75 is at 74.2. Dont know if its going to get into read only or continue to work.
II value reliability over speed, it's a shame that Samsung abandoned MLC (2-layers cells) for TLC (3-layer cells) in their PRO line since the 980, to do as everybody else.
I always watch your videos, they help me understand everything in Russian translation, I want to learn to read English, but there is no motivation, but you have a great technical level
I have two 2TB Samsung 980 Pros and an 870 Evo on a Gigabyte Auros Xtreme X570 motherboard (very high end mobo). Transferring from the 870 Evo went at around 480MB/s. This is performance In the same ballpark for the 870 Evo's spec of 530MB/s. When I transfer the same 17GB file from one of 980 pros to the other, it went at 2.5GB/s, half of the advertised write speed. The fastest USB3 spec is 20Gbps which is roughly 2.5GB/s - assuming you can find a decent cable and portable drive that even supports those those. My motherboard has heatplates for all of my m2 drives, so cooling isn't an issue, and I've benchmarked my drives with Samsung Magician and they score pretty much where they should be as they are fairly new (April 2021 purchase). There is one use case I can think of where reading over 10GB+ of data as fast as possible makes sense: game loading. That much data needs to originate from a drive, and today, typically decompress into much faster memory: RAM and VRAM(video memory). And I should mention, it actually ends up not mattering in gaming anyways because that decompression step sort of ruins the capacity to do a straight read into memory so unless you're talking a massive class different in drive speed (HDD -> SDD) you're mostly not going to see a difference in game load time once you have an SSD of any kind. Any other application such as transferring from drive to drive, network to drive, drive to network will be going over a much slower link (or a shared bus), or you will have a slow read/write node on the other end (portable SSD, thumb drive). Essentially, you'll never see close to advertised speed even in situations you think are pretty ripe for it. For those that may be confused and thinking video editing benefits from faster read/write speeds: hardly. A video editor doesn't load anywhere near the entire file's data when you open it up, nor does it ever need to at one time. These NVMe drives are getting too fast to be relevant unless you have a sweeping upgrade for your motherboards internals and are transferring from internal drive to internal drive. That is PCIe 5.0 and USB gen4. Without having all of those, you should sit tight with PCIe3/4 stuff. With PCIe4, simply having two drives. Maybe DirectStorage will change the game though allowing those insane sequential read speeds to
Don't you think this kind of reviews are a bit pointless? There isn't a big difference between a regular SSD and a nvme and you're comparing two basically same products.
Recently bought the 980 Pro SSD for 69,90€ or 75$. Compared to a HDD, the 980 Pro SSD is still a performance booster, i imigrate my windows from a HDD drive to the 980 Pro, with all programms (about 40 games, and 30 Programms), my windows is now starting up incredibly fast in about 15 to max 18 seconds, programms such as firefox, youtube, steam and other games and apps (windows 10) are loading incredible fast. The 980 SSD is a win compared to any HDD. I still use 2 HDDs in my computer a Toshiba 3TB, and a Seagate 4TB HDD to install games, music, save important files for long term period. Furthermore i use a Cloud Backup (2x 4TB NAS) Cloud Drive as Backup.
I ordered a 1TB 980 Pro a couple of days ago on sale. It should arrive tomorrow. I’m sure in real world performance it won’t even be a noticeable difference. Maybe half a second difference in load times for big games. I was hoping you would test some real world performance in this video rather than just focusing on benchmarks.
980 Pros are more than 30% cheaper than they were last year. Bought a 2TB 980 Pro for about $380 CAD last year on Black Friday, this year it's only $250. Looking to pick up a second 980 Pro to fill my second Gen 4.0 m.2 slot and call my storage needs done. 990 Pro write speeds are nice, but only worth it if you can't wait for Gen 5 drives.
I have the 980 Pro - I just can't be bothered to do the data transfer for the extra performance. Already purchased RTX 4090 to replace RTX 3080Ti and i9 13900k to replace i9 12900k so I will have a break.
I am telling my saving savy customers to not go with the 990 Pro right now. Those few percentage points arent worth spending $100+ more. The 980 Pro is extremely fast as it is. Wait for PCIE 5.0.
Hmm...ok. The slot used is important and can vary wildly based on MB. The random speeds are insanely important, the sequential a lot less, if you do anything like play a game. If all you do is transfer files back and forth...then sequential is for you.
Great video! I was really interested to see that my two 2TB 970 EVO plus in raid0 performs identically to the 990pro. Good to see that i won't have to worry about an upgrade for awhile. Great review, and thanks for the detailed information!
Note: Samsung tends to err on the conservative side with regards to their warranties. Seagate's listed Terabytes Written (TBW) may be "rated" for 3* that of the competition, but, in real world application, their drives have a much higher Average Failure Rate (AFR) than competing brands. Independent testing has shown Samsung drives last well beyond their TBW "rating" with no signs of impending failure/degraded performance.
Well this settles it. I’ve watched so many of your videos now I can’t believe it took me this long to pull the trigger. Liked and subbed. I look forward to more great content as I dive into the world of content creation. God bless!
Great review! 👍 To be honest, I've rarely seen something like this before, it includes some really nice details and information. Would like to see more Reviews like this, not just "this is great, buy it" crap😉
I use 980 Pros and nothing else. I don't care about speed as my drives are not the bottleneck for anything. My RTX 3090 is. And nothing matters if the drive is not reliable. Samsung Pro is most reliable NVME.
And now how does it perform on a system that isn't screwed for lane count? Unless you're running Xeon or Threadripper, none of this really matters because "normal" processors are pitifully lane-choked, even at the high end.
True, there's no difference , I mean near zero perceivable difference betwen the 980 and 990. That is, unless you're copying large files, or in my case - performing OS level backups onto disk. There, the difference is spectacular. I must also add, this is without any backup compression used. Once you enable even the lowest bit of compression the bottleneck turns to your cpu instead. Compression does save a lot of space though, i doubt anyone would not want to enable it.
Was able to get my 2T 980 Pro for the price 1TB 980 PRO price during this Black Friday sales. Was interested the 990 PRO but not much of a difference in my opinion. If it was at least 1,000 MB faster than the 980 Pro I would of pulled the trigger but rather stick to the 980 PRO for now.
just ordered the 2TB version. to me looked better priced per speed (and capacity) than others. is my current setup with sata ssds slow to me? not really but since everyone else seem to have one (NVME) then me too! :D
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I´ve updated a very old HP NVME SSD to a P31 expecting a huge difference and there was none. After a certain point there is no difference for regular desktop use.
Yeah, I've noticed that too...maybe we'll see improvement in transfer speeds when we have to transfer files to a similar nvme drive with no bottlenecks???
I already run two 980 pros on my desktop, I am always tempted by new tech. But not too far away is pcie5 M.2, so I will pass. Nice insight though to the drive
My best advice would be to wait if you can until the 990 Pro release and buy yourself a 980 Pro. No Gamer will be able to tell the difference in the real world between a 990 vs 980. I upgraded to the 980 Pro from a 970 EVO and couldn't tell the difference at all, but if you benchmark them, they're radically different..twice the speed.
I already bought 2x 980 Pro 2TB on hefty discount. 990 Pro is great, but I have no use for the additional speed or even the IOPS to be honest. Maybe as 990 Pro gets cheaper I'll buy 1 as my boot drive.
@@crazymonkey5550 Let me rephrase: because they know they won't be releasing a pcie 5 consumer product line any time soon. It is going to be months before we will see the 990 pro 4Tb, I guess it won't be before another year. In general there is no point in rushing with a faster controller if the nand doesn't get faster too.
Hello Now I have encountered a problem: 970pro, 980pro or even 990pro which is more suitable for PCIE4.0 as a separate system disk? 990pro may be faster, but 970pro is too stable🤔
Prices are now confirmed! 990s are about 2x the price of the 980s. Haha I will take a 980! The 980s are on sale for $170 for 2TB. A 1TB 990 is going to cost about $190, the 2TB 990 will cost over $300! No one will notice these speed differences in real world applications. If speed was that big of a deal you would be waiting for a PCI 5 NVME anyway!
well... I didn't have time to do the performance per watt, and will do that in a separate video. But it's a good point, jsut need to collect more data. :)
imo the WD sn770 is a pretty decent value as it's around $100 for 1 tb pretty consistently at least in the US. the silicon power US70 is priced similarly and rated for similar performance but it seems to be not that available. considering there are gen 3 drives still going for around $100 for 1 tb, I'd consider the sn770 a pretty decent deal.
SN770 is a great drive for storing your games, but not for a boot drive considering it doesn't have dram. Go with the SN850 for the boot drive, if you go with WD. Both of these are gen4
@@RealHellaciousGaming I asked if they are good compared to other M.2's for a Project Drive as example. Since it would probably good to have a 4 TB Storage for that. Also what would be the best Internal HDD and Internal SATA SSD for a Archive Drive?
With my Acasis enclosures, using one with a Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB I get 2800 r/w. Using the Samsung 990 Pro I get 2800 r/w. Using 4 of the 980 PRO 2 TB in an OWC Express 4M2 enclosure I get 2500 write and 2400 read. BUT I just transferred a 22 GB folder for my dinosaur spinning disc Seagate 8 TB to my new OWC 8 TB RAID level 0 and it took over 2 minutes. To transfer the same folder of 22 GB to my Acasis enclosure Samsung 990 PRO from my new OWC 8 TB RAID took 10 seconds! Spinning discs have gone the way of 8 track tapes and cassettes.
More important about the controller efficiency is not the electricity bill but the heat Every watt used in semiconductors is converted to waste heat, reduce 50% wattage means 50% cooler SSD
The 970 Pro has better endurance (it's a 2-bit MLC unlike the 980 and 990 Pro). The production price for a 2-bit MLC SSD is obviously higher than a 3- or 4-bit MLC, memories that allow a higher information density.
Why ignore the consistently slower CrystalDiskMark RND4K Q1T1 read scores? ...at 6:03 and 6:21. Aren't these very important? Makes for a disingenuous review.
These numbers in Crystal Diskmark are completely random and can have margins of basically 100% from run to run. I had had USB sticks outperform my SSDs in that section regularly, especialy in older versions of CDM.
Why didn't you test for a linear recording of the entire volume? It is in aida64, there will be a graph with a change in speed as it fills up. Very visual
Hello, do you know if when it comes to 4k+ video recording and editing you rely more on writing, reading or both ? Also between the 990 Pro, Kingston Fury Renegade and Seagate Firecuda 530 which you will recommend for these type of tasks ? So far i used 980 Pro for both gaming and video recording and im in the market for another NVME which i plan to use for production only.
I'd say it most definitely isn't worth it, because the price is surely higher than the 980's base price used to be, and the 980 will drop even further once the 990 releases. I think the 990 will only be worth it in about a year or so, when the price has settled and the 980 stock is dialed down. At least that's my personal prediction
I have no idea if I can expect the 990 to perform faster than my 980 on my x570 with 5950x and 64gb ram at 3466mhz. If I have a 1tb 980 and I want a 2tb 990, can I expect an improvement, realistically, or does none of that matter?
i run a 32 gig ram cache with primocache with my 980 pro drives with a 15 second write delay, the read write goes from 7 gig to 25 gig a second for cached data :) but the main advantage that most people dont think about is how it saves write iops (aka how long the drive lasts) i average a 60% saving of write iops according to the software. make your drives last longer ppl
@@ChristopherFranko highly recommended. my torrent pc has been active for only 4 days (power flick) and its saved 23% writes to it OS ssd drive) it torrents to a mech 5tb drive, even its saved 6% on its hit rates. in my opinion it al adds up to extended data/ drive life
A question more about Ramm in general.. If you put Ramm in a computer that's "over specc'd coz it's all you can get or it's sold at a good price, will it not work?, work at rated speed? or cause problems? For example -Saw some DDR4 3600Mhz Ramm sticks the other day and my computer says use 3200Mhz
I'm not even kidding I have used various versions of the SSDs over the past 7 years and I never had a problem with the Samsung that's the only drives I will buy I still think for regular PC 980 is just enough
All i want to know is: - Can you place a Gen4 NvMe (990 pro) on a Gen3 port and what would the speed cap be? - should you peel the Samsung black label or does it interfere with the thermals?
if your stuck on 3.0 and can some how find a 970 pro its basicaly the best drive you can get. But there are alot of other killer deals for nvme 3.0 drives where you can get 2tb for around 100 usd
I got 990 Pro because its only $20 more at Micro Center (2 hours from my HOME) and I just upgraded from a 970 EVO I've had for 6 years that's reinstalled windows countless times lmao the 990 Pro was $100 while the 980 Pro was $80, I said screw it why not... lol
I just dont understand why so many people/PC content creaters are still preferring Samsung nvme ssd(whether its 980 or 990 pro) when creating a PC build, considered it had a really bad history of faulty firmwares/problems. On the other hand, Kingston KC3000 or FURY renegade is much cheaper, has a higher TBW (comparing 2TB) , has a similar performance, and most importanly MORE RELIABLE.
Its very simple. Outside of a specific 980 Pro 2021 version and one version of the 840 Evo 128GB in 2014, Samsung Evo/Pro SSDs are generally reliable. However, I have 3 KC300s. 2 of them are dead now, 4 months after purchase. Which isnt a huge deal, that stuff can happen. Bad badge maybe. But the actual problem here is the customer support. If your samsung ssd dies within waranty, you will just get a replacement unit. Samsung doesnt ask many questions. Kingston is known to not follow their own waranty and deny you replacement units. Im currently dealing with exactly that and a lot of people had the same experience. Kingston is trying to argue with me how its not possible that their SSDs could have died within waranty, so it must have been my fault. Yea..sure Kingston. We will see about that. Also another point for Samsung SSDs is their relatively low power consumption compared to other SSDs. Lets have a quick look. The 990 Pro uses up to 5.5W under load. The KC3000 uses 10W and the Fury uses 14W. That is a LOT. It generates more heat and will also lead to a lower life span over time. Also it will drain your laptop a bit faster and a lot of 5W external m.2 cases may not work with Kingston SSDs. I can see this pretty well. I have my last KC3000 and my 990 pro in the same SSD expensaion card with a massive heatsink. the KC3000 goes up to 67°C under load while the 990 Pro stays below 30°C. I can also remove the 990 pro after a test with my hand while I have to wait a long time before I can touch the KC3000. So the temperature sensors are accurate.
These Go For Half Off Now With the Heat Problem they Had on Bad Software From Samsung, I just picked one Up for $149. New on Ebay . I will Test it When I get it to Make Sure its New and Not a Knock Off.
I have been Samsung fanboy since its existence, that's all I have used, but tbh., Firecuda 530 2TB is better drive, Its not much slower, in fact is faster in reads, but Firecudas endurance is what absolutely blowing the competition away.
The problem is for laptops, requiring one sided ssds. Firecuda is two sided and can be damaged in a slot destinated for one sided ssd. I discovered this issue by my experience and I had to return Firecuda and order Samsung :(
no point of a 450mb upgrade, rather stick with the 980 pro, basically paying almost £150 for 450mb upgrade.. but decent write speeds tbh. 2000mb upgrade..
Disappointed! I purchased a Samsung 990 Pro 1TB and attached it externally (using a NVME Enclosure and usb cable) so that I could begin the migration process. The Samsung magician migration software did not see the 990, and when I went to device manager and disk manager, this device only shows up as "JMicron Generic SCSI Disk Device." Unable to initialize due to this option not being presented. Hooked the 990 up via the same NVME enclosure (2280) to another computer of mine, and the result was the same. Puzzling, because I did not have a problem with migrating and installing the 970 Pro using the same process and the exact same NVME enclousure; it even showed up as "Samsung 970 Pro", rather than as a Generic SCSI disk device. Anyone here have a solution or advice?
I would like to see 100gb file copy between drives in Windows. And then the speed in RAID. I have two RAID 0. Both with 256 m2 pcie ssd. Seq. R/W ~980mb/s, real transfer speed between raids is around 350mb/s. Why the most important test missing???
Samsung is like nvidia of the world. Great product at a ridiculous price.
what would you recommend for a fast nvme with a reasonable price
@@MohamedMrh corsair, seagate firecuda and many more
Except NVidia does not make great products.
@@lagarttemido they do,fastest gpu in the market,but shite policy and treat everyone like garbage
@@MohamedMrh WD Sn770, Crucial P5 Plus, Adata XPG.
As tempting as it is to get the 990 Pro, I think I will get a 980 Pro for my new PC build and wait for the new PCIE 5.0 SSDs that will probably come out next year. I've seen reports of possibly up to 15 GB/sec performance on the upcoming PCIE 5.0 SSDs.
i am wait when come 9 gen i thing about 2029 still wait
Only a few drives now have over 7K read. Hitting 15GB/sec won't happen until late 2024+
As someone that has a 980 Pro and a 990 Pro, there's a world of difference between the two.
@@jamesm568 You have a strange definition of "world of difference". It's a generational improvement at best.
'Headline' read/write speeds mean NOTHING if anyone tries to use this as an OS drive - those 4k low queue depths are STILL shocking !!
One of the big plus factors of the Samsung drives is their minimal failure rate, which can't be said for most other ssd manufacturers. But the 980 Pro was already borderline perfect, so whatever the 990 Pro may improve, is going to be more or less insignificant. I would rather have the reliability of the Samsung drive, than the greater read/write longevity of something like the FireCuda drive. The FireCuda only really seems tempting if you're someone who regularly installs/destalls games and content and produce a lot of video content as well, like streaming, where you may collect lots of clips on a shorter basis - but for long-term critical data like professional work for clients etc, Samsung all the way.
Hey man just had a question for you. I’m going for a build with super high end specs eg a 4090 and i9 13900K in your honest opinion is the 990 pro SSD super noticeably better then the 980 pro or is it just slightly better. Cause I’ve seen the prices for both of them and the 990 pro is a lot more compared to the 980 pro and I’m just trying to save money. Overall in your opinion is the 990 pro significantly better then the 980 bro or is the 980 pro a good option to go with. Sorry for rambling on man if you were to respond words could not express my gratitude 🙏🏼
@@shoto_9 Hey there! And I would say no, there is definitely not a very noticeable difference. Definitely not anything worth spending extra for unless you absolutely need the increase in speed for very specific professional work. Most people barely saturate a gen 3 nvme, let alone a standard gen 4 drive - and the 980 Pro is still in the high end. Samsung drives also tend to be greatly upmarked in price when they launch and usually are worth buying +1 year post launch, and this is why the 980 Pro is now significantly cheaper than it used to be.
So my suggestion is, if you want to make your build now, definitely go for the 980 Pro. You will save a lot of money, and 99% of cases you will not notice ANY performance difference. The 990 Pro only really exists so that Samsung by technicality can say they have the fastest drive - but only by a miniscule margin. No reason to pay 50% more for 1-5% more real world performance.
I would only suggest the 990 Pro if you do a lot of video editing and very heavy file handling on a daily basis. Tons of 8K stuff etc. But if you don't have this need, then there's no reason to get it over the 980.
@@Real_MisterSir perfect man thank you very much for such an in depth answer. I just had one more question for you man. I’m not quite sure if you know this motherboard but I wanted to get the “MSI MPG Z790 Edge Wi-Fi DDR5
Motherboard” in your honest opinion man is this a really strong motherboard to have, especially with specs like the i9 13900K and the 4090. I’ve just been a little concerned cause a lot of people are saying it has pretty bad bios. Is that anything to worry about. Sorry for rambling on man and thanks so much for your answers :)
@@shoto_9 I don't have much experience with modern MSI boards so I can't really tell, but from a bit of research it seems to be a decent z790 board. I mean, I am personally running the 13900K on a B660 board from Asus so I don't think the hardware compatibility will be an issue :D
In terms of BIOS, Asus is a brand I certainly can recommend. Imo they have one of the best BIOS setups with some built-in features that not all manufacturers provide (for example I can still overclock my 13900K even though it's not a Z-class board and technically shouldn't be allowed, but Asus doesn't care what Intel says haha).
Either way, I don't think you will have any more risk with the Z790 Edge from MSI compared to any other board in its price range. I did see some people talk about potential audio issues with the ALC4080 Codec that the Edge's soundcard uses, but many of the modern Z690 and Z790 boards use this soundcard so even if there would be occasional issues with audio, it could probably be fixed with driver updates.
If you fancy the MSI Edge board, and it has all the features you need, then I wouldn't hold back on it. If you want to do any sort of major overclocking then maybe look for a higher end board or an Asus variant for their good BIOS features, but it's really not a requirement. The Edge should do absolutely fine. Again though, in terms of specific BIOS issues I do not have any experience with this board so I can't in good confidence give advice here - but personally I couldn't find many people who were troubled by the BIOS.
@@Real_MisterSir gottya man I fully understand you. Thanks so much for such an in depth answer man much love bro🙏🏼
I've just gotten my 980 Pro delivered, just typical.
I felt this more than the ending of Game of thrones
Don't be disappointed, look at the random 4k performance, they are the same, all the others numbers are for who don't understand nothing about pc
Depending what you're doing, you may not notice any practical difference. The super high performance is only going to ever be reached on HEDT or workstation platforms with the available IO lanes, and applications that will use the IOPS and bandwidth. That's where you'll really see them fly. For loading up COD maps or playing Minecraft, it's overkill on an extreme level.
Forget speeds I want more storage , we have been stuck on small m2 sizes since interception of gen 2 gens it’s about time we start seeing hd size replacements that are cost effective
sabrent 8tb sell your kidney
@@raulitrump460 i said cost effective most HD are a lot bigger now days as well
Is there really even a point to giant sized m.2? I feel like those should be used for things that are for that computer. Stuff you’d never need to be mobile. Other hand you can just pull out a 8tb solid state and take it to another country and boom. All your files are fine.
@@ToastyClam I want an 8TB nvme. Pro cameras are going up in megapixels and that means bigger RAW files. Sending a days worth of photos over to look at takes buffering for the computer to create thumbnails. I have some HDD drives that are 80MBs read speed so it takes a while to look up photos every time you open the folders. SSD is faster, but not the instant nvme does when you move the files over to it. It takes just a few minutes of transfer like 300MBs to the nvme and much quicker to edit from the nvme.
@@heezdeadjim if you do really big long size file moves in the 100s of GBs look at getting the 970 pro drives. they were samsungs last drives that don't use a cache and isntead the full drive runs at the rated speeds. If you just move 100gb or so here and there faster drives will benfit if you have pcie 4.0 m.2 slots.
Sweet. Looks like I’ll be grabbing 980 pro at that discount.
The power usage is actually interesting for users putting this into a laptop. Power usage really matters on SSDs in laptops as it can adversely affect battery life.
true , that has been a concern for me , to the point i had to remove my samsung nvme , because it was making a really hot spot on the botom side where the SSD is .
and i think i lost 15 to 30% runtime on battery
i had to go back to the "shitty" nvme provided with the laptop , wich i dont even feel the warm thru the chassis
@@tfoutfou21000 yep, I went with a SK Hynix P31 and actually increased the battery life of my laptop!
Many WD drives (like the blue and green) are good on battery life, but the performance isn't great. Right now the most efficient drive I know of is the one I mentioned above. I just bought a P41 for my workstation and a P31 for my new laptop since the P41 is "more efficient" in terms of work per watt but uses more power while active VS the P31.
@@Jimster481 did you make some research to find to more efficient SSD ?
@@tfoutfou21000 I didn't find one better than the P31 at the moment
hello can you leave more info about the power usage ?
i want to get the 980 pro for my OS drive on PCIE 3.0 (seeing it performs better than 970 evo plus, has lower idle power and lower temps) . I can't resource a p31 gold tho..
I'm less interested in the raw transfer speed, and more interested in the increase in IOPS and how that translates to timeline perf. I liked your comparison between a HDD, SATA SSD, Gen3 and Gen4 drive to really show that latency difference. I'm curious if it would even be noticeable between the 980 Pro and 990 Pro, or any of the other high drives like the 530.
Treat this video like an advertisement. These aren't available yet so obviously Samsung have either sponsored the video or provided the drives with an embargo agreement that limits what you can do with it until X date. It's a 14 minute advert with 3 minutes of actual benchmarks and they just happen to be the most basic synthetic tests that show the biggest increase in speed, when real world tasks like loading up windows or games would show very little improvement.
Bro how can I put this in my Optiplex 9020??? 😉
@@bigpoppa1234 I would have called it more of an overview than an advertisement. I think he's pretty objective in his testing and his conclusions, and you make it sound like he's shilling, to some degree, for Samsung. Besides, I know how this works... I've received review samples. I also know that people really won't see the diff between the two in general usage, which isn't what I was asking about. He did some interesting real world testing between different storage tech in the timeline, which is what I'd be interested in seeing.
@@hasanraza4980 LOL! Seriously tho, as a secondary drive... just toss it in a PCIe to m.2 adapter, and BAM! As a boot drive, you'll need some sort of boot loader... and it's honestly not worth it. Probably won't see much diff between it and a good SATA drive.
@@TheGameBench Yes of course... I'm very very happy with my SATA SSD in my Optiplex 9020. Btw it was nice hearing from you. I never upgraded my Optiplex and running it with iGpu but watched your every optiplex video start to finish. Really enjoyed your content❤️
I just bought 970 Pro 1TB for same price as 980 Pro 1TB, manufactured november 2021, I thought they don't manufacture 970 Pro anymore.. I wanted higher endurance than 980 Pro and have only a 3.0 motherboard (x370 with ryzen 5800x). Also enabled 16% (152 GB) of over-provisioning for even more endurance, the C:\ partition shows 800 GB :)
970 Pro 1TB actually has 1024 GB, not 1000 GB like other 1TB SSDs or hard drives. So 970 Pro shows 953 GB on C:\ partition while other 1TB ssds show 931 GB. Same for 970 Pro 512 GB model, it has 12 GB more than 500 GB SSDs.
980 Pro 1TB has 1000 GB, so 24 GB less than 970 Pro 1TB.
The 970 PRO is one of the last SSDs to use an MLC controller, which is much more enduring than TLC or QLC, both of which are used in most performance or budget SSDs. The 970 PRO tend to be more expensive than the 980 PRO by a long shot, and I feel glad that you got an excellent bargain and are happy about it 😀
Big differences 970 pro doesn't have an slc cache (it's MLC based) , so all free space is like a slc cache speed wise, so if you have 500gb of free space you can write at 500gb at full advertised write speed for that whole time at full speed (little slower after)
where as the 980/990 Pro has a relatively small slc cache size before they drop to TLC write speeds and incress in latency
which was not stated in this video, 990 Pro is around 220gb when drive is empty and reduces as the drive gets filled up with 10gb always available when drive space mostly used up, write speed drops to 1.4GB/s once the slc cache has ran out and is in TLC direct write mode, but you would have to be writing constantly to find this noticeable
but again 970 pro has full write speed for whole drive write (something like 3000MB/s constantly)
@@leexgx Actually very helpful! Thinking of just getting 2TB of the 970 Evo
@@ProWrestlingPsychology101 They do work really well (as long as they are not used in a Synology as a ssd cache)
@@leexgx that used to be what the pro line got you was full speed for the full drive. But somewhere along the line samsung followed everyone else and went for slc cache and dram got got rid of the full drive using mlc. The drive endurance seems quite similar though at least on paper .
I upgraded from 970 Pro's to 980 Pro's about a month after I upgraded the rest of my system. While Atto shows the speed difference between Gen 3 and Gen 4, which is considerably bigger than the difference between the 980 and 990, I really could not tell a difference in using the system for video editing and gaming. I doubt anyone will tell the difference between the 980 and 990, and I myself will not be upgrading.
Yeah i will just wait for the price of the 980 to drop and grab a 4tb one and finally do any with my mechanical drives completely.
@@thestoneddog is there a 4 TB version?
DON'T buy into those 'headline' read/write figures - almost(!) every purchaser of 'fast' nvme drives never take account of that 'weakest read/write link' in the chain rule. As a result, their speeds never, ever even get close to marketing.
@Scott Grammer i definitely saw the 4tb before. It was about 380 on Amazon before,but now i can't find it anywhere.
@@thestoneddog Thanks.
Some people want fast.
Some people want reliable.
I’ll take reliable over fast any day.
So far Samsung drives have been very reliable to me and my info.
Yeah I think they have like a 2% failure rate
Thank you for testing 990pro ✌. Sorry but the music is disturbing at the background. 😔
The majority of M2 SSD usage utilizes reading speed. Your PC installs (writes) the OS, a software, or a game only once, but it reads them every day. And judging from the test results, it is obvious that the reading speed of the 980 PRO is almost as par with the 990 PRO. So I will go with the cheaper 980 PRO until I see a new product with about double-speed improvement over the previous gen.
I want an 8 TB 980 PRO!
@@donross7820 Current technology cannot keep up with your needs :))
@@donross7820 I would be happy with 4TB lol
HA... that's why on prime days the 980Pro was 33% off anyway samsung sticking to the 2TB form factor for pro drives is a real bummer...
I think there is a 4TB coming out, but next year I believe :)
No doubt. A 4tb is a must.
Thats launching next years according to them
11:30 This aged really bad with this whole Life/Health Status issue going on where people are having only 50% Life left with only 2TB Written in a few weeks. Samsung really destroyed their reputation in terms of reliability with this issue. Also there is almost no transparency/info from Samsung about the issue.
This only affected ONE badge of 2021 980 Pro 2TB SSDs fron one specific factory.
Ask Kingston about the A400 or MSI about literally any SSD...or what about Western Digital and their false advertisement or the first Adata SSDs which caught on fire (bet you forgot about that one didnt you).
Its not a big deal.
@@Waldherz "no big deal", yet you're responding to a months old comment. I was talking about the 990 Pro, not the 980. SSD health going down to 50% in 2 weeks of use you call "no big deal"? You're completely ok about a company not giving any transparency for months about such a big issue? Samsung of all companies is best know for its reliability. I've bought 3 Samsung 990 PRO 2TB drives and put them into my RTX 4090 i9-13900k PC. I'm in IT. I know what I'm talking about. Maybe don't get so defensive about something that in your eyes is "no big deal"? xD
This video above was posted on October 18, 2022.
In February 2023, people started suffering rapidly degrading Samsung 980 Pro and 990 Pro NvME SSDs.
It was not an isolated issue and Samsung released a firmware update, which was suppose to fix the degradation issue on their NvMe drives.
As of today, Sept 02, 2023, since the firmware fix was released, I have not read any further issues, but in contrast, there are no reports that the firmware fixed the issue either.
In addition, this is too early to tell, but time will tell us if the Samsung NvME drives were saved by the firmware fix or whether the future will face more drive issues because the firmware did not work well enough.
What was faulty at first, will most likely be faulty in the end as well.
That was the reason why I returned my 990 Pro to the store, because the risk was too high the drive would still fail.
Simply this, I am building a new computer and to install a potentially risky drive on the assumption the issue was fixed, was not good enough. I would rather not use the Samsung NvME drives and go with another reliable product.
As a result, I went and got WD_Black SN850X instead, it is comparable, just as good and is not suffering firmware issues.
I think that most people want to see real world performance comparisons like launching an app or game, loading windows, etc. more so than synthetic benchmarks that don't really relate well to actual everyday usage difference. Synthetic benchmarks, though interesting, don't really seem to tell me if an SSD will save me how many seconds or negligible real world difference.
The only real world benefit is for high speed intranet/file transfers. And even then it's not that big of a benefit and you require pretty beefy infrastructure (starting with a 10gbe network). These improvements on the 990 (that aren't even in every element, eg the read speeds are identical) is 30%, which isn't nothing but they're already at massive high speed to start with. I'd get one to run my OS or I wanted to buy a new drive (assuming the prices aren't outrageous) but 99.999% of people would never even notice the difference between one of these and a 980, and in most tasks you'd never notice between a Sata drive.
@@bigpoppa1234 I do believe stuff loads faster. We just don’t know by how much. Is it 0.1s, 1s, a few seconds? I’ve seen a review of the SK Hynix p41 loading something that take other SSDs 12 seconds in 7 seconds. But the vast majority of reviews don’t bother informing the audience of the real world difference.
@@jackka82 In this case I suspect that Samsung have provided the drivers under a review embargo that limits the benchmarks to the three shown here. Would need to wait until the drivers are available in public to get actual useful information on real world applications.
@@bigpoppa1234 since 980Pro they do not provide any extra NVMe-drivers for their SSDs anymore, they just use standard Microsoft Windows ("stornvme") drivers as any other NVMe-drives out there (important for DirectStorage compatibility).
@@bigpoppa1234 i think its better to have fastest ssd because overtime when ssd is loaded with data it doesn't give the same performance as new. I dont feel my 6yr old sata 850 evo has same performance when new and TBW limit of 75 is at 74.2. Dont know if its going to get into read only or continue to work.
II value reliability over speed, it's a shame that Samsung abandoned MLC (2-layers cells) for TLC (3-layer cells) in their PRO line since the 980, to do as everybody else.
agree
yep and their 980 pro has had some reports of early bad block failures
I always watch your videos, they help me understand everything in Russian translation, I want to learn to read English, but there is no motivation, but you have a great technical level
I have two 2TB Samsung 980 Pros and an 870 Evo on a Gigabyte Auros Xtreme X570 motherboard (very high end mobo). Transferring from the 870 Evo went at around 480MB/s. This is performance In the same ballpark for the 870 Evo's spec of 530MB/s. When I transfer the same 17GB file from one of 980 pros to the other, it went at 2.5GB/s, half of the advertised write speed. The fastest USB3 spec is 20Gbps which is roughly 2.5GB/s - assuming you can find a decent cable and portable drive that even supports those those. My motherboard has heatplates for all of my m2 drives, so cooling isn't an issue, and I've benchmarked my drives with Samsung Magician and they score pretty much where they should be as they are fairly new (April 2021 purchase).
There is one use case I can think of where reading over 10GB+ of data as fast as possible makes sense: game loading. That much data needs to originate from a drive, and today, typically decompress into much faster memory: RAM and VRAM(video memory). And I should mention, it actually ends up not mattering in gaming anyways because that decompression step sort of ruins the capacity to do a straight read into memory so unless you're talking a massive class different in drive speed (HDD -> SDD) you're mostly not going to see a difference in game load time once you have an SSD of any kind. Any other application such as transferring from drive to drive, network to drive, drive to network will be going over a much slower link (or a shared bus), or you will have a slow read/write node on the other end (portable SSD, thumb drive). Essentially, you'll never see close to advertised speed even in situations you think are pretty ripe for it. For those that may be confused and thinking video editing benefits from faster read/write speeds: hardly. A video editor doesn't load anywhere near the entire file's data when you open it up, nor does it ever need to at one time.
These NVMe drives are getting too fast to be relevant unless you have a sweeping upgrade for your motherboards internals and are transferring from internal drive to internal drive. That is PCIe 5.0 and USB gen4. Without having all of those, you should sit tight with PCIe3/4 stuff. With PCIe4, simply having two drives. Maybe DirectStorage will change the game though allowing those insane sequential read speeds to
I feel like it's great that we are able to have a product that is so good that we shouldn't get it
DirectStorage in Forspoken really useful for blazingly fast game loading time
990 Pro 1TB = $170. 980 Pro 1TB = $100. Definitely choose 980 Pro.
I chose the 990. You worry too much about price and penny pinching. That will not help you in this world. Get your earning potential up bro
I will go with 990 pro for sure cuz I know it makes a difference.
Crucial for all general use PCs and thanks to you I’ll be going with your recommended drives on my creator
Don't you think this kind of reviews are a bit pointless? There isn't a big difference between a regular SSD and a nvme and you're comparing two basically same products.
Recently bought the 980 Pro SSD for 69,90€ or 75$. Compared to a HDD, the 980 Pro SSD is still a performance booster, i imigrate my windows from a HDD drive to the 980 Pro, with all programms (about 40 games, and 30 Programms), my windows is now starting up incredibly fast in about 15 to max 18 seconds, programms such as firefox, youtube, steam and other games and apps (windows 10) are loading incredible fast. The 980 SSD is a win compared to any HDD. I still use 2 HDDs in my computer a Toshiba 3TB, and a Seagate 4TB HDD to install games, music, save important files for long term period. Furthermore i use a Cloud Backup (2x 4TB NAS) Cloud Drive as Backup.
I just bought 2tb firecuda 520 for $160 and 2tb teamgroup mp34 for $130
They are fast as hell for how much they cost
Got 2TB 980 Pro for $179.
@@teemuvesala9575 Where ?
I bought the Firecuda 4TB. Definitely happy about it.
I ordered a 1TB 980 Pro a couple of days ago on sale. It should arrive tomorrow. I’m sure in real world performance it won’t even be a noticeable difference. Maybe half a second difference in load times for big games. I was hoping you would test some real world performance in this video rather than just focusing on benchmarks.
980 Pros are more than 30% cheaper than they were last year. Bought a 2TB 980 Pro for about $380 CAD last year on Black Friday, this year it's only $250. Looking to pick up a second 980 Pro to fill my second Gen 4.0 m.2 slot and call my storage needs done. 990 Pro write speeds are nice, but only worth it if you can't wait for Gen 5 drives.
I just bought 4 of the Samsung 980 PRO 2 TB on Amazon for $179 each for my new RAID 0 to make 8 TB. It is Nirvana for video editing.
@@donross7820 just got 2 2tb myself for 200 each. Not as much savings as you but still a fantastic deal.
Same here got 2tb today for 199 euro
I have the 980 Pro - I just can't be bothered to do the data transfer for the extra performance. Already purchased RTX 4090 to replace RTX 3080Ti and i9 13900k to replace i9 12900k so I will have a break.
I am telling my saving savy customers to not go with the 990 Pro right now. Those few percentage points arent worth spending $100+ more. The 980 Pro is extremely fast as it is. Wait for PCIE 5.0.
Thank you.
Hmm...ok. The slot used is important and can vary wildly based on MB. The random speeds are insanely important, the sequential a lot less, if you do anything like play a game. If all you do is transfer files back and forth...then sequential is for you.
Great video! I was really interested to see that my two 2TB 970 EVO plus in raid0 performs identically to the 990pro. Good to see that i won't have to worry about an upgrade for awhile. Great review, and thanks for the detailed information!
But two 990 pros...
What's up with some claiming that RAID 0 doesn't work properly with NVMe? Like having atrocious speeds, slower than HDD
If you have a 980 Pro don't even bother with this thing, you won't notice a difference in real world applications.
Note: Samsung tends to err on the conservative side with regards to their warranties. Seagate's listed Terabytes Written (TBW) may be "rated" for 3* that of the competition, but, in real world application, their drives have a much higher Average Failure Rate (AFR) than competing brands.
Independent testing has shown Samsung drives last well beyond their TBW "rating" with no signs of impending failure/degraded performance.
Well this settles it. I’ve watched so many of your videos now I can’t believe it took me this long to pull the trigger. Liked and subbed. I look forward to more great content as I dive into the world of content creation. God bless!
Great review! 👍
To be honest, I've rarely seen something like this before, it includes some really nice details and information.
Would like to see more Reviews like this, not just "this is great, buy it" crap😉
Surprised when they announced it was a PCIe Gen 4 drive. Guess I'll wait for the 1090 Pro then.
I use 980 Pros and nothing else. I don't care about speed as my drives are not the bottleneck for anything. My RTX 3090 is. And nothing matters if the drive is not reliable. Samsung Pro is most reliable NVME.
And now how does it perform on a system that isn't screwed for lane count? Unless you're running Xeon or Threadripper, none of this really matters because "normal" processors are pitifully lane-choked, even at the high end.
True, there's no difference , I mean near zero perceivable difference betwen the 980 and 990.
That is, unless you're copying large files, or in my case - performing OS level backups onto disk. There, the difference is spectacular. I must also add, this is without any backup compression used. Once you enable even the lowest bit of compression the bottleneck turns to your cpu instead.
Compression does save a lot of space though, i doubt anyone would not want to enable it.
A good start up verification would of been nice with MSFS 2020.
Cut the music please.
Was able to get my 2T 980 Pro for the price 1TB 980 PRO price during this Black Friday sales. Was interested the 990 PRO but not much of a difference in my opinion. If it was at least 1,000 MB faster than the 980 Pro I would of pulled the trigger but rather stick to the 980 PRO for now.
i sadly missed it. What did you pay?
@@DragonProtectori paid $110 in Amazon Black Friday
"Power Efficiency" means everything when you're packing this in a laptop or tiny computer that doesn't have active cooling or room for a heatsink
just ordered the 2TB version. to me looked better priced per speed (and capacity) than others. is my current setup with sata ssds slow to me? not really but since everyone else seem to have one (NVME) then me too! :D
Could you add an audio editing/DAW software testbench? Thank you!
SSD Samsung 990 Pro M.2 4TB for 410€ or Western Digital Black SN850X M.2 4TB for 330€?
barusan nonton video ini di 2024 ternyata testbed yang dia pake bukan kaleng2
I´ve updated a very old HP NVME SSD to a P31 expecting a huge difference and there was none. After a certain point there is no difference for regular desktop use.
Yeah, I've noticed that too...maybe we'll see improvement in transfer speeds when we have to transfer files to a similar nvme drive with no bottlenecks???
I already run two 980 pros on my desktop, I am always tempted by new tech. But not too far away is pcie5 M.2, so I will pass. Nice insight though to the drive
Are they still screwing us on the warranty?
My best advice would be to wait if you can until the 990 Pro release and buy yourself a 980 Pro.
No Gamer will be able to tell the difference in the real world between a 990 vs 980. I upgraded to the 980 Pro from a 970 EVO and couldn't tell the difference at all, but if you benchmark them, they're radically different..twice the speed.
I already bought 2x 980 Pro 2TB on hefty discount. 990 Pro is great, but I have no use for the additional speed or even the IOPS to be honest. Maybe as 990 Pro gets cheaper I'll buy 1 as my boot drive.
@@teemuvesala9575 .. Agreed.
Here in kuwait 🇰🇼
980 pro 2TB is 50 KD
Around 190$
So if you bought 2
That means it cost you 330 dollars 🤔
@@mybeautifulcat7011 Yes. 2x 2TB 980 Pro is about same as 1x 990 2TB at launch. Needed the space now and saving some money didn't hurt either.
No PC gamer will be able to tell the difference between a 990/980/970. Heck most games get the same performance on a samsung SSD.
Feels like an odd time to release it considering PCIE 5.0 SSDs will be here soon
Probably because they know PCIe won't be here soon.
@@simaancheno what? it's already out on am5
@@crazymonkey5550 Let me rephrase: because they know they won't be releasing a pcie 5 consumer product line any time soon. It is going to be months before we will see the 990 pro 4Tb, I guess it won't be before another year. In general there is no point in rushing with a faster controller if the nand doesn't get faster too.
Hello Now I have encountered a problem: 970pro, 980pro or even 990pro which is more suitable for PCIE4.0 as a separate system disk? 990pro may be faster, but 970pro is too stable🤔
regular user and even a power user won't notice a difference. You're talking about saving a few seconds maybe on large transfers
8:39 sometimes we use SSDs as ram in our exploration software simulations and mapping tools
excellent video. Can you do a PCIE 5 with DDR 5 bang for the buck workstation video specifically designed for 3-D artists?
The bulk of my work is still CPU rendering, but I do tinker with GPU for in-house visualization
That’s a gigantic request 💀
Thank you much! wonderful and perfect review and explanation. rare to find.
Prices are now confirmed! 990s are about 2x the price of the 980s. Haha I will take a 980! The 980s are on sale for $170 for 2TB. A 1TB 990 is going to cost about $190, the 2TB 990 will cost over $300! No one will notice these speed differences in real world applications. If speed was that big of a deal you would be waiting for a PCI 5 NVME anyway!
see my results and setup above
Sir i want performance per watt in 13900k vs 12900k as you did with rtx 4090
He'll post it as soon as the embargo lifts.
well... I didn't have time to do the performance per watt, and will do that in a separate video. But it's a good point, jsut need to collect more data. :)
@@Behdad47 yes
@@theTechNotice thanks
@@theTechNotice Understandable. You guys have had way too much to test these past few weeks. Thanks for everything \m/
Nothing more to do on PCIE 4.0, it is almost at the limits already.
What are the top M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 and SATA SSDs and HDDs you could recommand? Would be interessting to know. (for Gamers once and for Creators)
imo the WD sn770 is a pretty decent value as it's around $100 for 1 tb pretty consistently at least in the US. the silicon power US70 is priced similarly and rated for similar performance but it seems to be not that available.
considering there are gen 3 drives still going for around $100 for 1 tb, I'd consider the sn770 a pretty decent deal.
SN770 is a great drive for storing your games, but not for a boot drive considering it doesn't have dram. Go with the SN850 for the boot drive, if you go with WD. Both of these are gen4
@@RealHellaciousGaming How good is the Kingston KC3000 and Kingston Fury Renegade?
@@karmobuddy I would recommend the Fury Renegade, faster speeds
@@RealHellaciousGaming I asked if they are good compared to other M.2's for a Project Drive as example. Since it would probably good to have a 4 TB Storage for that.
Also what would be the best Internal HDD and Internal SATA SSD for a Archive Drive?
With my Acasis enclosures, using one with a Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB I get 2800 r/w. Using the Samsung 990 Pro I get 2800 r/w. Using 4 of the 980 PRO 2 TB in an OWC Express 4M2 enclosure I get 2500 write and 2400 read. BUT I just transferred a 22 GB folder for my dinosaur spinning disc Seagate 8 TB to my new OWC 8 TB RAID level 0 and it took over 2 minutes. To transfer the same folder of 22 GB to my Acasis enclosure Samsung 990 PRO from my new OWC 8 TB RAID took 10 seconds! Spinning discs have gone the way of 8 track tapes and cassettes.
Witch is the most reliable Samsung or Seagate fire cuda 530?
More important about the controller efficiency is not the electricity bill but the heat
Every watt used in semiconductors is converted to waste heat, reduce 50% wattage means 50% cooler SSD
KC3000 1tb be at SGD139.53 (Around 97 USD), its currently at the price of a gen 3 lol
Which one shall I buy ? Samsung 990 pro or Kingston Fury Renegade for my Lenovo LOQ Rtx 4060 and Ryzen 7840HS variant.
Watching on my Samsung Galaxy Z FOLD 3
how come ssd prices never go down? the older models i mean like the 970 evo plus
The 970 Pro has better endurance (it's a 2-bit MLC unlike the 980 and 990 Pro). The production price for a 2-bit MLC SSD is obviously higher than a 3- or 4-bit MLC, memories that allow a higher information density.
Why ignore the consistently slower CrystalDiskMark RND4K Q1T1 read scores? ...at 6:03 and 6:21. Aren't these very important? Makes for a disingenuous review.
These numbers in Crystal Diskmark are completely random and can have margins of basically 100% from run to run.
I had had USB sticks outperform my SSDs in that section regularly, especialy in older versions of CDM.
In the real world the 980 pro is more than fast enough for anyone..I run Win 11 on a HP Probook 450 with a KC3000 2 tb and it's insanely fast
WD Black SN850 @7200mbps & SN850x @7300mbps. Also great m.2s!
My go-to M.2
Why didn't you test for a linear recording of the entire volume? It is in aida64, there will be a graph with a change in speed as it fills up. Very visual
Hello, do you know if when it comes to 4k+ video recording and editing you rely more on writing, reading or both ? Also between the 990 Pro, Kingston Fury Renegade and Seagate Firecuda 530 which you will recommend for these type of tasks ?
So far i used 980 Pro for both gaming and video recording and im in the market for another NVME which i plan to use for production only.
see my setup above. It is Nirvana.
@@donross7820 ?
Hard to tell if it's worth upgrading without the price.
I'd say it most definitely isn't worth it, because the price is surely higher than the 980's base price used to be, and the 980 will drop even further once the 990 releases. I think the 990 will only be worth it in about a year or so, when the price has settled and the 980 stock is dialed down. At least that's my personal prediction
@technotice im making a creating pc should i use the wb_black sn850x like your creator pc has, or 2 990 pros, which would be better overall
I just bought samsung 980 2tb
It’s a small incremental upgrade. The real step forward is Gen 5. Why are we having to wait so long for it??
50% faster downloads is a big deal. By that I mean to actually write your download.
I have no idea if I can expect the 990 to perform faster than my 980 on my x570 with 5950x and 64gb ram at 3466mhz. If I have a 1tb 980 and I want a 2tb 990, can I expect an improvement, realistically, or does none of that matter?
i run a 32 gig ram cache with primocache with my 980 pro drives with a 15 second write delay, the read write goes from 7 gig to 25 gig a second for cached data :) but the main advantage that most people dont think about is how it saves write iops (aka how long the drive lasts) i average a 60% saving of write iops according to the software.
make your drives last longer ppl
interesting
@@ChristopherFranko highly recommended. my torrent pc has been active for only 4 days (power flick) and its saved 23% writes to it OS ssd drive) it torrents to a mech 5tb drive, even its saved 6% on its hit rates. in my opinion it al adds up to extended data/ drive life
hello!
kc3000 is on discount on amazon, is this (Samsung 990 pro) better to buy than the 2GB cache on the KC3000? thanks!
I look forward to your review of the new PCIE Gen 5 SSDs now that both the new Intel and AMD boards are switching over to the new platform.
+1
A question more about Ramm in general.. If you put Ramm in a computer that's "over specc'd coz it's all you can get or it's sold at a good price, will it not work?, work at rated speed? or cause problems? For example -Saw some DDR4 3600Mhz Ramm sticks the other day and my computer says use 3200Mhz
I'm not even kidding I have used various versions of the SSDs over the past 7 years and I never had a problem with the Samsung that's the only drives I will buy I still think for regular PC 980 is just enough
Good but something that he did not observe was the temperatures and that is not yet for sale to the public
over 1 million IOPS god damn
IMO those drives are only worth it for a RAID 1 setup for a very important data that has to be accessed quickly
All i want to know is:
- Can you place a Gen4 NvMe (990 pro) on a Gen3 port and what would the speed cap be?
- should you peel the Samsung black label or does it interfere with the thermals?
it would be around half .. around 3500 . the sticker is metal . I wouldn't peel it off
Why would you do that? There's way better options for much cheaper lol
@@SamLoki never said i would please don’t assume haha - just making sure i know stuff here so i can know how to move. God bless
@@Manguadesignz It would be a 'wonderful thing' if an nvme gen4 ssd in a gen3 system achieves......gen4 speeds ;)
if your stuck on 3.0 and can some how find a 970 pro its basicaly the best drive you can get. But there are alot of other killer deals for nvme 3.0 drives where you can get 2tb for around 100 usd
I still prefer western digital that’s why ima get the sn850x
980 pro 1tb is going for 65$ USD now here in Singapore
Hi, you're amazon links don't actually show any 990 pro drives.
Name of the background smooth jazz?
I got 990 Pro because its only $20 more at Micro Center (2 hours from my HOME) and I just upgraded from a 970 EVO I've had for 6 years that's reinstalled windows countless times lmao
the 990 Pro was $100 while the 980 Pro was $80, I said screw it why not... lol
I'm going to build my first pc in about 4 month and I'm confused which m.2 should i get 990 pro or 980 pro?
I just dont understand why so many people/PC content creaters are still preferring Samsung nvme ssd(whether its 980 or 990 pro) when creating a PC build, considered it had a really bad history of faulty firmwares/problems. On the other hand, Kingston KC3000 or FURY renegade is much cheaper, has a higher TBW (comparing 2TB) , has a similar performance, and most importanly MORE RELIABLE.
Its very simple.
Outside of a specific 980 Pro 2021 version and one version of the 840 Evo 128GB in 2014, Samsung Evo/Pro SSDs are generally reliable.
However, I have 3 KC300s. 2 of them are dead now, 4 months after purchase. Which isnt a huge deal, that stuff can happen. Bad badge maybe. But the actual problem here is the customer support.
If your samsung ssd dies within waranty, you will just get a replacement unit. Samsung doesnt ask many questions.
Kingston is known to not follow their own waranty and deny you replacement units. Im currently dealing with exactly that and a lot of people had the same experience. Kingston is trying to argue with me how its not possible that their SSDs could have died within waranty, so it must have been my fault. Yea..sure Kingston. We will see about that.
Also another point for Samsung SSDs is their relatively low power consumption compared to other SSDs.
Lets have a quick look. The 990 Pro uses up to 5.5W under load. The KC3000 uses 10W and the Fury uses 14W. That is a LOT. It generates more heat and will also lead to a lower life span over time. Also it will drain your laptop a bit faster and a lot of 5W external m.2 cases may not work with Kingston SSDs.
I can see this pretty well. I have my last KC3000 and my 990 pro in the same SSD expensaion card with a massive heatsink. the KC3000 goes up to 67°C under load while the 990 Pro stays below 30°C. I can also remove the 990 pro after a test with my hand while I have to wait a long time before I can touch the KC3000. So the temperature sensors are accurate.
These Go For Half Off Now With the Heat Problem they Had on Bad Software From Samsung, I just picked one Up for $149. New on Ebay . I will Test it When I get it to Make Sure its New and Not a Knock Off.
I have been Samsung fanboy since its existence, that's all I have used, but tbh., Firecuda 530 2TB is better drive, Its not much slower, in fact is faster in reads, but Firecudas endurance is what absolutely blowing the competition away.
The problem is for laptops, requiring one sided ssds. Firecuda is two sided and can be damaged in a slot destinated for one sided ssd. I discovered this issue by my experience and I had to return Firecuda and order Samsung :(
no point of a 450mb upgrade, rather stick with the 980 pro, basically paying almost £150 for 450mb upgrade.. but decent write speeds tbh. 2000mb upgrade..
Disappointed! I purchased a Samsung 990 Pro 1TB and attached it externally (using a NVME Enclosure and usb cable) so that I could begin the migration process. The Samsung magician migration software did not see the 990, and when I went to device manager and disk manager, this device only shows up as "JMicron Generic SCSI Disk Device." Unable to initialize due to this option not being presented.
Hooked the 990 up via the same NVME enclosure (2280) to another computer of mine, and the result was the same. Puzzling, because I did not have a problem with migrating and installing the 970 Pro using the same process and the exact same NVME enclousure; it even showed up as "Samsung 970 Pro", rather than as a Generic SCSI disk device.
Anyone here have a solution or advice?
I would like to see 100gb file copy between drives in Windows. And then the speed in RAID. I have two RAID 0. Both with 256 m2 pcie ssd. Seq. R/W ~980mb/s, real transfer speed between raids is around 350mb/s. Why the most important test missing???