Hi Tim, very appreciate for your comments and understand the whole picture a lot better. I got the slingshot 84cm foil set with WF1-1 board on Friday and Tried it out a on Sunday.
Thanks for your quick respond. I’m about 170lbs resident in Palmbay/Melbourne and my favorite local surf store is in Cocoa beach near Ron Jon famous surf store. The boat is in/out board REGAL 176SE 145hp on 6 cylinder Volvo. I’m try use the same foil equipment for behind the boat, ocean foil board and hand kite later when gain more control with the foiling board. I forgot to mention that instructor at the shop never try with 99cm before. So I’ll go for your advice as final decision.
Hi Nelson -- so great to hear from Palmbay/Melbourne -- Good Day! Ron Jon - that is so awesome. I love it. So hitting one foil for everything is a tall task. The Regal will not be putting out much of a wake so you'll be best off foiling on the second wave. At 170lbs you'll be good on the 84cm. I'd likely recommend the FSUP package so that it comes with the 48cm rear stabilizer. You'll want to mount that foil in "B" position with the mast ~1" up from the back in the mast track. Here's why it's hard to have one foil to do it all: Wing Foil (I think that's what you mean by hand kite): The 84cm will be a nice foil to begin with. As a beginner you'll appreciate the lift and the carry through light winds. Eventually you'll either want a smaller foil such as the 76cm (depending upon the wind) and/or a carbon setup for lighter weight to enable better pumping. Prone Surf - The Slingshots are pretty heavy for prone. Most of the prone foilers are going with carbon setups from Armstrong, MFC, or the like. Turns out weight is an important component to allow you to pump back out to the lineup....hence the preference for carbon (in addition to the direct weight). In the Slingshot family, the Hover Glide 84cm FSUP package is a great choice. It will allow you to explore the other disciplines and help you figure out what you may want for your next foil purchase.....and yes....there will be a next. For example, I have two wings with me at all times.....sometimes four. The 84cm will give you a good price/performance point to explore the sport. If you wanted to go all around with carbon -- I'd recommend your Australian native company Armstrong Foils. Their HS1550 is a great all around wing. However, it is targeted at intermediate/advanced riders so I still think your entry way into foiling is through the 84cm. Please, please, please shoot us some pictures for our Instagram: @halflifet.5 Would love to have some great Melbourne and surrounding area shots.
I got the 2018 fwind1 hover glide (less than 70 cm?) to windfoil with. It was really pitchy and hard to balance. I'm 6'0" at 185 pounds. So in 2020, I added the Infinity 84. It's much more stable for wind foiling and lets me get up with a 6 meter sail in 11 mph of wind versus about 15 with the fwind1. I have finally jibed the 84 and look forward to really learning more about its handling this summer. I'm using the old blue rear wing.
I’m ready to get a foil board, I have a Malibu sun setter/wakesetter direct drive. Need a board with appropriate set up to learn and ride on medium size wakes. My skill set is surf and ski over 50 years. Love your videos!
Awesome! We can get you 100% dialed in. Please email me at halflifet.5@gmail.com or give us a call at (909) 698-0401 and we'll get you dialed. I've foiled a ton behind the Malibu Sunsetter Lxi. Cheers, Tim
Tim, Great video as usual and excellent info on the performance of the 99 wing in comparison to the 84 etc. Exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. Thanks!
Yesss! I've been anticipating this video since your last one. I might get the 99 for wing-foiling on my sup. I may try wake-foiling too. Which board would you recommend for a beginner? All I have right now is a 7'9" 150l SUP. I saw in your previous videos that larger boards make it difficult to see where your foil is in the waves.
Hi Kevin -- Budget can always dictate.....If the 7'9" is all you have....you can make it work but it is difficult due to swing weight and seeing where you are. That said, you can try it to ensure that you enjoy it. I would recommend something like the Slingshot WF-2 board (www.slingshotsports.com/WF2-Wake-Foil-Board-Only). You may want to try EBay or Craigslist to see if you can get an earlier year that someone grew out of. That size and dimension is a great place to start. It really doesn't matter too much if it's 2020, 2019, or 2018 when you're getting started. Let us know what you decide and thank you so much for checking out our videos. Hopefully you subscribed! Have a great water season.
I just got the 99 but am having a hard time getting it to come out of the the water and stabilize. I have it in position A and have to lean heavy on the back to get it up but it’s unstable. I see you have the mast in position B. Does that help with stability and lift? I’m 180 lbs and have no problem on the 76. I purchased the 99 to ride further back and behind small boats. On the 76 the speed I ride is 14 mph. I slowed the boat down to between 8 - 10 mph when I tried the 99.
At 180lb you'll have a hard time activating the 99cm. We usually recommend it for 200lb+ riders. Yes position B will help with the overall ride. A position will be quite difficult for you. You may want to consider either going to their Phantasm line up or switching to Armstrong. Feel free to call us 909-698-0401 to talk it through. Best, Tim
Hey hey guys!!! Really Need to ask an important Question here! I have 2 set ups. 68 Gamma with 61cm mast, and 42 rear stabilizer, and the WF-2 Foil Board. I also have the 99 Infinity came with 71cm Mast and 48cm rear down wing, and this crazy ultra light pedastal that is open with cut outs but not smooth and aerodynamic like the heavy rounded/arrowhead pedastal. I also have a 90cm mast, and I have the Dwarf Micro Board. So we tried the 99cm wing with 48cm down, and 90 cm, on the micro dwarf board moved in the track forward and switch fuse in position c super long and way forward, it was impossible, could not even get up for more than 2 seconds, nearly died the Tomahawk! So now I have the wf2 foil board, normal pedastal, back down to the 71cm it came with and in the board track all the way back to get use to it!!! BUT!!! I have this Question!!! I am seeing on many videos, you can use the 42cm rear stabilizer wing, and that is to face up, simple, if you can see the title of the wing facing the board, it's on right.. the 48 cm goes on the bottom facing down, the 42 mounts on top facing up... so it mounts on the side the wing tips face. ... Is there anything wrong with the 99cm front wing, mounted in the wing for the mast, not position B on the fuse like you all have it, and then rear 42cm wing facing up like it should? or can you only use the 99cm and 84cm front wings with a matching 48cm down facing under mounted rear stabilizer ? ... so can I mis match a 42 up, and 99 down, ? If not, I need to put on the 48 and have it under mounted and down... but it was just toooooo much lift and was insane!! Gonna stay on the big wf2 board till we are solid. I guess the micro board is like for pumping only with light pedastal and not for going behind a boat. ? was insane, could not put front foot far forward enough, the wing would float up front, and rock the micro slingshot dwarf board on it's back!
Hi Jas -- awesome. The best to get these answers is to experiment which you did! That's great. For the 99cm - mount it in slot "B". Wing tips down regardless of the 48cm or the 42cm. Both will work. The 42cm makes it a bit looser, the 48cm more stable. I would suggest doing your early runs on the WF-2 and your 61cm mast. The Dwarf Micro will work with both your 68cm and 99cm setup but it's helpful to have the extra board space to work with as you balance out your 99cm....especially when you're on the 90cm mast. Remember - on the 90cm mast - you don't have to fly it high...start with only 1/2 mast out of the water and work your way up as you get comfortable. The design intent for the 90cm is more winging, kiting, and windsurf foiling. It's fun behind the boat but just watch your height. You can see a video on it here: czcams.com/video/4zF0NJcZMYM/video.html I'm not sure what you mean by Aerodynamic like heavy rounded.....(do you mean the shim? or the wing cap?) Let me know if you'd like to do a Zoom lesson. It can be helpful for optimizing the setup and for me to break down your riding for tips. Best, Tim Please follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5 and subscribe to our CZcams channel! Thanks!
Does the 84 ride the ski boat wake as well as the 99? I’m about 185lbs and have a boat similar to the crossover ski/wake boat. I was going to go with the 99 to make sure I had enough lift for a smaller wake, but looks like the 84 might work too.
The 99cm will hold it a bit better but it's very slow to carve. You'll have more fun on the 84cm. Even more fun on an Armstrong MA1750 or CF2050 -- call us to talk if you'd like (909)698-0401
Hi Allan -- Sorry for the delay in responded. You bet...and if you send me video of your wake, we're happy to take a look. For the second wake (especially in non wake boats = smaller waves) you really want to adjust your speed to maximize the size of the center hump. In this video, Eric (driver) was .5 to 1mph too fast which caused the wave to begin to take a more vertical shape. The ridge line is the beginning of the wave shape becoming a "V". When you see that form, it's harder for the foil to keep up with the boat, and wave transfers become more of a challenge. Slow the boat down to avoid the "V" and try to get a big hump directly behind the boat. In most cases that correlates with a steeper 2nd wave face. Hope that helps. Thank you for checking out our video and apologies again for the slow response. We were out on the water!
At205lb behind a jet ski -- I recommend the Armstrong CF2050 Foil kit. Email us to discuss - halflifet.5@gmail.com Another option -- Axis 1150 If you stay Slingshot with just a SeaDoo -- 99cm but be aware - it doesn't match the options above. Best, Tim
Quick question on mast size - I'm about 6'1", 205 - brand new to foiling and I want to ride behind a jet ski, ski boat and wake surf boat (Axis) - what size mast would you recommend - I'm leaning toward that 90 centimeter on the 99 - most packages appear to be recommending the 24" mast - your thoughts
What's up BaDaBoom! Thank you for checking out our video. You may also enjoy the 90cm mast (how to ride) review. czcams.com/video/4zF0NJcZMYM/video.html. Thank you for subscribing! At 205 and new to the sport here's my recommendation on Slingshot foil size: - Jet Ski (definitely 99cm) - Ski Boat (with ballast or not?) - no ballast 99cm. ballast 84cm. - Axis surf boat 84cm all the way. 76cm once you've gotten good at riding comfortably without the rope. As for the mast. 90cm mast is difficult to learn on. My preference for learning is the 46cm mast. You can do transfers, first wave or second wave on the 46cm (18"). At $77 it's a nice piece to be able to trade in/out in the context of your overall purchase. Ultimately I'd recommend the 61cm or the 71cm. It's not a material difference. This gives you some nice travel to add a few power pumps to move you across the wake on transfers as well as to regain the wave when you lose it. The 90cm isn't necessary behind the boat.
Have you tried the 90 cm mast with the 84 wing? Do you prefer the 90cm to the 61cm for wake surfing? The extra vertical would appear to be fun for more pumping/transfer room but the trade-off I'm assuming is in stability.
Hey Justin -- Yes - I have....and....I've tried the 71cm on the 84cm as well :-). They are all fun and excel in their own way. Ultimately - the 46cm is great when you're starting and can take you most everywhere you want to go. The 61cm gives you more travel and once you've mastered the 46cm it will allow you to accelerate via pump at a greater velocity. The delta of 71cm to 61cm is relatively small from a performance perspective and they ride about the same. Unless you're taking the 90cm to the full extension (which feels quite high) you're going to get everything you need out of the 61cm or 71cm. All of that said -- if you got the masts give them all a try to see what your favorite is!
I just picked up a 99 and love it. Could you please do a video on mounting in A position vs B position? I can’t find anything anywhere about when to use the different positions. The instructions didn’t mention it. Thanks
Hi Theodore -- Awesome - so glad you're liking the 99cm. Mount in the B position for the best experience. Start with it all the way back in the mast track. I think you'll likely enjoy 'B' position with the mast about mid track. Just let us know if that doesn't work for you but I'm confident it will.
I’ve had about a week and a half and I’ve managed to learn to surf behind my boat. I have a position A pretty far forward in the track. It would be really that nice if there was a real explanation as to the advantages and disadvantage is each position.
Hi Theodore -- you asked and we delivered! Thank you for pushing us to create this video and I hope it answers all of your questions. Here's the Slot A vs. Slot B discussion. czcams.com/video/-uFKEW23dmU/video.html
Love your videos. Remind people to have the stabilizer on the bottom facing down for both 84 and 99. I tried the 84 with a beginner and found that they got thrown off the board trying to manage such a big wing. Best progression was a small wing first day, medium space skate day 2, 84 day three. Wahat worked for you guys?
Hi George! We actually have a video that we'll publish within a few days about that exact thing -- Rear wing stabilizer choice and mounting. Regardless of wing progression - the number one thing an instructor can do is be a phenomenal driver. This video covers it well: czcams.com/video/nX6KnJiMUuA/video.html When we do our lessons for first time foilers we walk them through a progression. 1) 15" mast w/ H4 all the way back in the track. 2) 84cm (men) 68cm (women) on 61cm mast. Foot position and weight distribution is the key to keep the foil in the water. We don't use the space skate because it is a kite foil wing - not a wake wing. Hope that helps. Sounds like you have it covered but just in case we do Zoom video lessons which are quite effective. You send us video and we break it down together and utilize our vast library of videos to illustrate instructional points. You can also follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5 All the best, Tim
HALF-LIFE Thanks Tim. I will follow on insta. I'll send a video of a floating dock start. It is an easy way to figure out how to ride the board. First without a foil, then with a foil. When you fall we let you try the water start. My wife Lisa is a great driver. Another thing that I do is launch a kite from the water with the student sitting in an inner tube behind the boat. Nothing for them to hit. We can give a little Gas to help the launch. As soon as the kite is up they hop or pop out of the tube. Is the 46cm mast easier than the original 15"?
Interesting! Can't wait to see the video. For the first time beginner the original 15" is great. That said - if you have the 46cm mast (and not the 15") - I'd say just go with the 46cm. It will definitely work. Be super gentle on the throttle - especially with first timers. Tim
Hi Jeff -- Interesting that you've seen that. To my knowledge the 48cm is the standard for both the 84cm and the 99cm. I have heard that you will get a 'looser' feel if you ride the 84cm with the 42cm but for us when we ride the 84cm we're on the 48cm. For the 68cm we ride the 42cm (same rear as 76cm).
Hey bro great content, I’m 6’4” 250-260 Athletic but beginner, what would you recommend, I wanna pump mostly. I’d think 36-42 inch board, What do you think?
What type of a boat? Have you chosen your foil yet? Please email us at halflifet.5@gmail.com so that we can get into more detail. Cheers, The Crew at Half-Life
Had any of these HG snap the fuselage off the mast? My son up there by you just hit something and lost the switch fuselage and both wings. The bolt heads completely sheared off and bolts left in the mast. Hows Armstrong?:)
Hi Jerry -- please feel free to give us a call (909) 698-0401. We've heard of a few people losing their foil kits to the bottom. Most of the time it is from using the shorter screws in mounting (they look like the longer ones). But one slingshot customer in particular has lost too kits in the manner you outline. On a whole the Armstrong titanium screws seem to be stronger but I definitely don't go out and run into floating objects to see if they sheer off :-). That said, check out the mast T-nuts that are used. They're hard core and my bet is that if only one of them remained, it would be enough to keep the mast on the board. Armstrong's construction and thoughtfulness in design is top in the industry right now. Happy to talk you through it. And...if you're son wants to come ride them with us on Lake WA - just shoot us a note at halflifet.5@gmail.com. Cheers, Tim
If you wanted a strictly dedicated Jump/Pump/Glide Foil set up (I'm 165 pds) which SS kit (Foil,Stab,Mast,Fuse) would you recommend? (I already WakeFoil with Surf orientated Wings) Enjoy your videos :)
Hi IRWE905 -- thank you for the compliments on the videos. Very much appreciated. I'm not sure of the application for jump/pump/glide because those are pretty different and depends on boat and some other factors. Assuming a big wake surf wake: Glide: Hover glide 84cm Jump: 68cm infinity Pump: Move to Armstrong Foils HS1550V2, HS1850 or to Axis 1150. We prefer the Armstrong because it still turns wicked good in the waves. Please email me at halflifet.5@gmail.com or message me on Instagram @halflifet.5 for a richer discussion of trade offs. Cheers, Tim
Hi Tim, 👍 on every your excellent video. I’ve done water ski and wakeboard behind the boat but not with foil boarding before. My local sale rep. and instructor recommended Slingshot 84cm front wing set but my mind is in love with 99cm wing set and ready to buy one. I want to learn foiling behind the boat at first and will foiling on small ocean wave later since I’m living in Florida. What’s your though and advice for me as a beginner of this adventure. Very appreciate for your reply.
Hi Nelson -- great to meet you and thank you for checking out our video -- hopefully you subscribed to our channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5 A couple quick questions: 1) What boat will you be foiling behind? 2) How much do you weigh? 3) Are you trying to prone foil surf with the same setup? And then - just out of curiosity - where in Florida? Shoot us a note back and we'll get back to you. My initial reaction is the 84cm but I want to hear a bit more first. I'm sure you likely saw this other video comparing the 76cm, 84cm, and 99cm. czcams.com/video/aX0bHH9eQCo/video.html And - here is our "how to wakefoil" playlist so that you can save time/money with your instructor :-) czcams.com/video/4zv3Wi7JznY/video.html
Thanks for your quick respond. I’m about 170lbs resident in Palmbay/Melbourne and my favorite local surf store is in Cocoa beach near Ron Jon famous surf store. The boat is in/out board REGAL 176SE 145hp on 6 cylinder Volvo. I’m try use the same foil equipment for behind the boat, ocean foil board and hand kite later when gain more control with the foiling board. I forgot to mention that instructor at the shop never try with 99cm before. So I’ll go for your advice.
Hi Nelson -- I'm pretty sure I already replied to you but just in case....The 84cm will work great for you. If you'd like the 99cm - it will work as well. Given the smaller wave of the Regal the 99cm may be a bit better.....that said...the 84cm is versatile enough to make that work. I know.....not that helpful but you're right on the borderline with that boat. Beginners like the 84cm better.....For small waves - I like the 99cm better.
Thanks for all the info Tim. I have a specific question for you that could really use some guidance on: 230lb rider trying to ride ropeless behind Yamaha 195 s jetboat. Would you recommend the 99 or 84, and is it necessary to get the 48cm rear wing or can I run it with my current 42cm rear wing. (Current board set up is on the 65cm space skate). Thank you!
Wow Neil! The 65cm space skate is not going to work for you so if you're having a hard time going ropeless - don't let it get in your head. The issue with the jet boat is two fold 1) a bit of a messy wave and 2) the turbulence from the jet. That said - we've foiled behind them and had a lot of fun - especially with some extra ballast bags. If budget is flexible - I'd recommend you move over to the Armstrong HS1850 foil kit with a CF300 tail wing. If you want to pursue this option - call us at (909) 698-0401. Assuming you want to stay in the Slingshot family - I'd likely go with the 99cm with the 48cm. You can run it with your 42cm which will help it be more loose but you'll lose some of the stability and glide. Foils - and how they ride - change in the ~210lb + range. There's a ton of athletic guys in your space -- a rider that you may have seen in our videos and social media (@halflifet.5 on instagram) is 6'3" and 230lb. We use him as our test point for various equipment. That plus our customer base that ranges from 120lb -- 270lb. Thank you for checking out our videos. Please don't hesitate to call if you decide to go Armstrong. Best, Tim
Great vids guys. Can you tell me what distributor you use in the seattle area? I have family in Everett but I'm in Boise. I plan to kite at Jetty Island eventually but started foilboarding on the 76 behind the boat last year. I purchased online previously but would much rather start building a relationship with a local distributor. I'm 225lbs. so looking at the 84 or 99 and also want to buy my first kite. I only know of Urban Sports and I like their stock and location. Just curious which way you throw your money. Oh, I am a 25 plus year Skyski addict. WOuld love a demo day in the Seattle area (or just hook up and ride). Thx
Hi Jerry - thank you! I have family in Boise! (warm springs road). Urban Sports is great here in the Seattle area. We can certainly hook you up with a demo on the 84cm and the 99cm so that you know what you're buying before spending the money. Drop us a note when you're in Seattle. I'd love to see some Skyski videos - send them our way halflifet.5@gmail.com. To answer your question about distributor - it's a little complex. We do a ton of research on various products so we feel comfortable going direct. So for foil products we go direct to Slingshot and Armstrong. We buy GoFoil through Hi-Tech in Maui. For kites - Cabrinha from our contact in Baja and Slingshot direct. I know....a bit of a messy answer. Regardless - we're here for you and can help guide the process for wake foil as well as kiteboarding. My first kites (which I still use today) are Cabrinha Switchblade. Super versatile from beginner to intermediate - can't go wrong. For larger sizes we use the Cabrinha Contra (13, 15, 17). The Slingshot RPM is a great all around kite to start with as well. You'll want to look at typical wind conditions where you'd like to kite. If it's Jetty - you will likely want the Contra which is a good light wind kite. I know cost is definitely a consideration but starting with a two kite quiver may make sense so that you're not stranded on the beach when conditions change as they're known to do.....especially around Seattle.
Hi James -- let me find someone for you. Please email me at slingshotfoils@gmail.com Thank you so much for checking out our videos! Hopefully you subscribed and follow us on Instagram @halfliftet.5 Cheers, Tim
In your earlier videos you use the different Slingshot foils, then all of a sudden other brands and no more SLingshot. What was the reason for the switch?
Hi Caspar -- we do enjoy the Slingshot foils but there are some limitations. We still use one of them for lessons but for our riding we've switched over the Armstrong due to a higher level of performance. The lightweight carbon, carving, and ability to pump currently out performs the Slingshot. All of that said -- the Slingshot is a great foil kit to begin the wake foil journey with. Please don't hesitate to call us (909)698-0401 with any questions. Cheers, The Half-Life Crew
Hi Vic -- Nice! At 6'6" and 330lbs I'd suggest the 99cm. For your size you're going to want to be at the largest wings offered by the various companies -- mostly so that you can sustain flight once you're airborne. Do you do other water sports? What boat will you be behind? Out of curiosity what lake/ocean will you be riding? I want to bounce this off a couple people for their opinion (and folks may chime in here). A high aspect wing may be the way to go. Please respond with answers to the questions above. Thank you for checking out our video - hopefully you subscribed to our channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
Hi Vic -- Just to make sure we're closing the look -- I'm sticking with my recommendation for the Slingshot Hover Glide 99cm foil set up for you. Let us know if you want us to put in an order for you. With us you get a Half-Life discount assuming you have subscribed to our channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
Hey Guys! Firstly ...Love the videos ... The information you guys provide is top notch!! Ok so here is my problem, I have a Yamaha jet boat and I've put a wave make wedge and a 350lbs ballast to trying give the boat a bit more of a wave. I purchased at first the slingshot with 76 foil but as I weigh 200lbs I found that I couldn't let go of the rope. I then got the 84cm but im still struggling to let go of the rope and have enough power to propel me along... im just wondering what im doing wrong? I can ride this board easy with the rope no problem but im really wanting to let go of the rope. there are so many adjustments from mast size to different positions im wondering if I have something set up wrong, sorry for the ling winded post.. many thanks Luke!
Hi Luke -- thanks for watching our videos - glad they're helpful and hopefully you're a subscriber! The jet boats are a bit strange in terms of propulsion as it hits the foil. It's manageable but something to know is different than the push of the typical wave. With the jet boats I've found the first wave to typically be better than the second in terms of push. Have you tried the first wave? The 84cm w/ you at 200lbs should work well. What mast length are you on? Any of them should work but with a smaller wave (as with the jet boat) having the 61cm or 71cm will help you out. Please shoot us a short video and we'll take a look. You can reach us at halflifet.5@gmail.com
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO I just pushed that subscribe button! thanks for the speedy response and I hope you guys had a fantastic July 4th! I'm from England originally...but who doesn't like to set off a few fireworks and join in on the fun! Thanks for the tip! I haven't tried first wave because there is a lot more turbulence, but I'll give it a go and shoot you over a video. Cheers!
Hi Patrick - thanks so much for checking out our video and subscribing to our channel! Welcome to Half-Life! At 200lbs I'd recommend the Hover Glide 84cm behind the boat. (but just to be certain - what boat will you be foiling behind?) For winging - where will you typically be winging? Is the wind somewhat steady or highly variable? The 84cm is a good choice (It's what I'm learning on here on Lake Washington where the wind is typically up/down) but the 99cm will work on lower speeds and wind levels. BTW - winging is a blast.
HALF-LIFE thanks for the input. Boat is 24’ with a deep V hull so will be lots of wake. I’m in Vancouver, BC and will be winging on the ocean, typical rolling southwestern swells in the 20 kt range coming off straight of Georgia into Howe Sound.
Nice! Our neighbor to the North! Sometimes with Deep V hulls it kicks off a more vertical wake -- although plenty of wake, it comes off the boat more parallel to the boat as opposed to slightly more perpendicular such as a wake boat (of course we're talking directionally). All of that said, the second wave should be able to set up nicely. With that knowledge - I'm going to stick with the 84cm recommendation. The Grady White in this video is a 24' deep V up until the 1:52 mark (czcams.com/video/yOzgYjD6E6k/video.html). After that it's a 33' Grady White. As you'll see, the first wake is challenging - tight window (not to mention outboards!), while the second wave on the foil really opens things up. 20 knots! Perfect. So you're likely looking at a 4.0 to 4.4m meter wing. With that windspeed you should be good to go on the 84cm. Here's a rough wind sizing chart for wing sizes. 3.2M - 23-43 MPH 4.0M - 15-30 MPH 4.4M - 13-26 MPH 5.4M - 10-22 MPH 6.4M - 8-20MPH
@@patrickreid9823 Hi Patrick.I live just north of Whistler and am looking at a Slingshot infinity 99 wing.Dk you know of any BC or Canadian distributors?
Tim, you leaving the mast in the “B” position? I just saw Slingshots lastest video talking about moving mast to the “A” position on shorter boards but be careful to use the right length bolts. I’m referencing the 84 with the 48 rear. Thanks.
Hi Steve -- haha - I saw that as well. In fact my friend Doug lost his wing by making the mistake they are talking about. Always be very careful to ensure that the screws you use to go into the mast are the longer ones. They're identical in every way except the length. Where he says 1-2 threads....it actually goes about 3-4 threads...just secure enough to have you believe it's in. For the 84cm - yes 'B' position for wakefoiling is what I've found to be best. That said - if for some reason it isn't working for you, feel free to explore. Easy enough to move to A and then back to B - just use the correct screws! Hope you're well.
Hi guys! Cool stuff! Looking to get a slingshot foil for wake. I'm a small guy, only weigh in at 140 but can't really understand why bigger is'nt better for foils...wouldn't a huge foil like the 99 let me ride any type of wake, even the wake of say a 15ft boat with a 50hp outboard? (All i got and have space for) Would really appriciate your advice!
Hi George -- happy to have a conversation and put in an order for you. You're absolutely right that a huge foil provides you with different capabilities than a small foil. It's all about what that feel is going to be as you ride it. For example at 140lb - the 99cm is a big wing for you. What that translates to is that you'll have a harder time carving it, it will be slower moving through the water, and less responsive. All of that said - for a 15ft boat with a 50hp outboard - that might be the right call. The larger the wing (as a general rule - not absolute rule) the smaller the wave you can ride. You on the 99cm would do great on that wake. Arguably - you'd do great on the 84cm as well. The 84cm is MUCH more responsive than the 99cm. You really need to commit to change direction on the 99cm. Ultimately - all of these wings are a blast to ride so don't over think it too much. The 76cm is doable but with that small of a wake you'll have more fun on the 84cm or 99cm. In the Armstrong Foil family - the HS1850 would be the call for you. Thank you for checking out our video - hopefully you subscribed to the channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5 Cheers, Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Thanks Tim for the great advice! When spending this amount of cash on a new toy that you really have no first hand knowledge about, having somebody help and share their experience really goes a long way in making the right decision...especially with so many options avalable! Deffinitely subscribed! have to look you guys up on instagram too, i'm shure you post some cool stuff!
Thanks George -- happy to have a call if you'd like as well. Email us at halflifet.5@gmail.com and we can set up some time. Totally get the $$ and multiple choices when you're new to the sport.
Hi Whetim! So - I assume you got the SUP foil board to SUP foil in the ocean. What board did you get for yourself? How many Liters? Typical size waves? I reserve the right to change my answer based upon the above :-) I'd recommend the 84cm. Trade offs: 84cm is a quick raising foil. depending upon wave size you may have to work to hold it down. But once you're up it carves nicely and will be much more responsive than the 99cm. 99cm is more stable and will hold the glide longer. It raising more slowly given you a more stable lift off but it will not give you the surf carve feel as well as the 84cm.
@@whetim Cool! You may want to look at the Slingshot Shred Sled as well (Slingshot owns Ride Engine). It gives you some more liters (143) and gives you a great board for winging and windsurf foiling in addition to SUP. Even if you don't think those sports are of interest to you now....once you start to foil you will basically want to foil everything :-) With either board -- I'd still recommend the 84cm. OR - if you have the budget to go carbon - I'd recommend the Armstrong 1550. Happy to have a call about trade offs or a longer email exchange. You can email me at halflifet.5@gmail.com Best, Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO thanks - yes the shred sled is an option but it's long and harder to fit in car + like 30% more expensive. I'd like to stick to either slingshot or moses eco system of foils. have you tried moses 1100?
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO No, researching and shopping right now. At 225lbs, the 76 I bought last year isn't quite enough. To go to the 99 I also need the 48 rear stabilizer. The two together come in at $900 just for a wing upgrade. That's why in my first post I asked about your distributor. I'm looking for a good shop to make purchases from. Where is my first post? Thx!
Hi Henry - Not currently but if anyone replies to this with extra gear they'd like to sell, I'll definitely let you know. What part of the country do you live in?
HALF-LIFE I live in Bellevue Washington. Might need some advice from you guys. Looking at buying a complete set up this summer. Foil/ Board. Trying to catch the lady of the lake waves in chelan on the foil. Get towed in behind a jetski and I’m just curious what you think would be the best set up for that?
@@henryroberts9546 Hey Henry -- awesome - perhaps we can hit lake washington together. I've had my eye on the Lady of the Lake as well. I think that would be awesome. I've only see their marketing materials -- I haven't seen their wave in person. How much do you weigh and how much wake surfing have you done?
HALF-LIFE that would be sweet! I weigh 216 currently. And I have wake surfed since I was young! Stoked to see if I can get a foil that will do the job. I’ve checked out some kite boarding sites and they have some good deals on foils.
Hi Tim, very appreciate for your comments and understand the whole picture a lot better. I got the slingshot 84cm foil set with WF1-1 board on Friday and Tried it out a on Sunday.
Nice! How did that combination work out for you? Shoot us some pics/video to post on our Instagram @halflifet.5
Thanks for your quick respond. I’m about 170lbs resident in Palmbay/Melbourne and my favorite local surf store is in Cocoa beach near Ron Jon famous surf store. The boat is in/out board REGAL 176SE 145hp on 6 cylinder Volvo. I’m try use the same foil equipment for behind the boat, ocean foil board and hand kite later when gain more control with the foiling board. I forgot to mention that instructor at the shop never try with 99cm before. So I’ll go for your advice as final decision.
Hi Nelson -- so great to hear from Palmbay/Melbourne -- Good Day! Ron Jon - that is so awesome. I love it. So hitting one foil for everything is a tall task. The Regal will not be putting out much of a wake so you'll be best off foiling on the second wave. At 170lbs you'll be good on the 84cm. I'd likely recommend the FSUP package so that it comes with the 48cm rear stabilizer. You'll want to mount that foil in "B" position with the mast ~1" up from the back in the mast track. Here's why it's hard to have one foil to do it all:
Wing Foil (I think that's what you mean by hand kite): The 84cm will be a nice foil to begin with. As a beginner you'll appreciate the lift and the carry through light winds. Eventually you'll either want a smaller foil such as the 76cm (depending upon the wind) and/or a carbon setup for lighter weight to enable better pumping.
Prone Surf - The Slingshots are pretty heavy for prone. Most of the prone foilers are going with carbon setups from Armstrong, MFC, or the like. Turns out weight is an important component to allow you to pump back out to the lineup....hence the preference for carbon (in addition to the direct weight).
In the Slingshot family, the Hover Glide 84cm FSUP package is a great choice. It will allow you to explore the other disciplines and help you figure out what you may want for your next foil purchase.....and yes....there will be a next. For example, I have two wings with me at all times.....sometimes four. The 84cm will give you a good price/performance point to explore the sport.
If you wanted to go all around with carbon -- I'd recommend your Australian native company Armstrong Foils. Their HS1550 is a great all around wing. However, it is targeted at intermediate/advanced riders so I still think your entry way into foiling is through the 84cm.
Please, please, please shoot us some pictures for our Instagram: @halflifet.5 Would love to have some great Melbourne and surrounding area shots.
I got the 2018 fwind1 hover glide (less than 70 cm?) to windfoil with. It was really pitchy and hard to balance. I'm 6'0" at 185 pounds. So in 2020, I added the Infinity 84. It's much more stable for wind foiling and lets me get up with a 6 meter sail in 11 mph of wind versus about 15 with the fwind1. I have finally jibed the 84 and look forward to really learning more about its handling this summer. I'm using the old blue rear wing.
Hi Christopher -- that's great to hear. Nice work on the Jibe! Definitely a break through moment -- Keep it up!
Cheers,
The Half-Life team
I’m ready to get a foil board, I have a Malibu sun setter/wakesetter direct drive. Need a board with appropriate set up to learn and ride on medium size wakes. My skill set is surf and ski over 50 years. Love your videos!
Awesome! We can get you 100% dialed in. Please email me at halflifet.5@gmail.com or give us a call at (909) 698-0401 and we'll get you dialed. I've foiled a ton behind the Malibu Sunsetter Lxi.
Cheers,
Tim
Sound like to Glen Plake Johnny Mosley review of wake foiling.. love it
Thanks Moose! Hope you're out there enjoying the foil.
Best,
Tim & John
Tim, another great informative video. Getting the 84 for behind the pontoon. Used the H4 all last summer. Thanks!
Hey Steve -- That's awesome. I really think you'll enjoy it. Please be sure to let us know how it goes.
Tim, Great video as usual and excellent info on the performance of the 99 wing in comparison to the 84 etc. Exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. Thanks!
Thank you Chuck! Hopefully you'll be out riding on the water soon! Send us a picture or two @ halflifet.5@gmail.com.
As always boys, great vid. Keep em comin' !!
Thanks Nick -- will do. Please don't hesitate to let us know if there's a particular topic of interest for you.
Yesss! I've been anticipating this video since your last one. I might get the 99 for wing-foiling on my sup. I may try wake-foiling too. Which board would you recommend for a beginner? All I have right now is a 7'9" 150l SUP. I saw in your previous videos that larger boards make it difficult to see where your foil is in the waves.
Hi Kevin -- Budget can always dictate.....If the 7'9" is all you have....you can make it work but it is difficult due to swing weight and seeing where you are. That said, you can try it to ensure that you enjoy it.
I would recommend something like the Slingshot WF-2 board (www.slingshotsports.com/WF2-Wake-Foil-Board-Only). You may want to try EBay or Craigslist to see if you can get an earlier year that someone grew out of. That size and dimension is a great place to start. It really doesn't matter too much if it's 2020, 2019, or 2018 when you're getting started. Let us know what you decide and thank you so much for checking out our videos. Hopefully you subscribed! Have a great water season.
I just got the 99 but am having a hard time getting it to come out of the the water and stabilize. I have it in position A and have to lean heavy on the back to get it up but it’s unstable. I see you have the mast in position B. Does that help with stability and lift? I’m 180 lbs and have no problem on the 76. I purchased the 99 to ride further back and behind small boats. On the 76 the speed I ride is 14 mph. I slowed the boat down to between 8 - 10 mph when I tried the 99.
At 180lb you'll have a hard time activating the 99cm. We usually recommend it for 200lb+ riders. Yes position B will help with the overall ride. A position will be quite difficult for you. You may want to consider either going to their Phantasm line up or switching to Armstrong. Feel free to call us 909-698-0401 to talk it through.
Best,
Tim
Great video. Can you review a Space Skate or the new Apollo?
Hey Brett - will do if we can get our hands on them. Right now we don't have any on hand. I'll ping you if we do.
Great information. Much Appreciate.
Thank you Aaron. Really appreciate you checking out our video and the kind words.
Hey hey guys!!! Really Need to ask an important Question here!
I have 2 set ups. 68 Gamma with 61cm mast, and 42 rear stabilizer, and the WF-2 Foil Board. I also have the 99 Infinity came with 71cm Mast and 48cm rear down wing, and this crazy ultra light pedastal that is open with cut outs but not smooth and aerodynamic like the heavy rounded/arrowhead pedastal. I also have a 90cm mast, and I have the Dwarf Micro Board. So we tried the 99cm wing with 48cm down, and 90 cm, on the micro dwarf board moved in the track forward and switch fuse in position c super long and way forward, it was impossible, could not even get up for more than 2 seconds, nearly died the Tomahawk! So now I have the wf2 foil board, normal pedastal, back down to the 71cm it came with and in the board track all the way back to get use to it!!! BUT!!!
I have this Question!!! I am seeing on many videos, you can use the 42cm rear stabilizer wing, and that is to face up, simple, if you can see the title of the wing facing the board, it's on right.. the 48 cm goes on the bottom facing down, the 42 mounts on top facing up... so it mounts on the side the wing tips face. ...
Is there anything wrong with the 99cm front wing, mounted in the wing for the mast, not position B on the fuse like you all have it, and then rear 42cm wing facing up like it should? or can you only use the 99cm and 84cm front wings with a matching 48cm down facing under mounted rear stabilizer ? ... so can I mis match a 42 up, and 99 down, ? If not, I need to put on the 48 and have it under mounted and down... but it was just toooooo much lift and was insane!! Gonna stay on the big wf2 board till we are solid. I guess the micro board is like for pumping only with light pedastal and not for going behind a boat. ? was insane, could not put front foot far forward enough, the wing would float up front, and rock the micro slingshot dwarf board on it's back!
Hi Jas -- awesome. The best to get these answers is to experiment which you did! That's great. For the 99cm - mount it in slot "B". Wing tips down regardless of the 48cm or the 42cm. Both will work. The 42cm makes it a bit looser, the 48cm more stable. I would suggest doing your early runs on the WF-2 and your 61cm mast.
The Dwarf Micro will work with both your 68cm and 99cm setup but it's helpful to have the extra board space to work with as you balance out your 99cm....especially when you're on the 90cm mast. Remember - on the 90cm mast - you don't have to fly it high...start with only 1/2 mast out of the water and work your way up as you get comfortable. The design intent for the 90cm is more winging, kiting, and windsurf foiling. It's fun behind the boat but just watch your height. You can see a video on it here: czcams.com/video/4zF0NJcZMYM/video.html
I'm not sure what you mean by Aerodynamic like heavy rounded.....(do you mean the shim? or the wing cap?)
Let me know if you'd like to do a Zoom lesson. It can be helpful for optimizing the setup and for me to break down your riding for tips.
Best,
Tim
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Does the 84 ride the ski boat wake as well as the 99? I’m about 185lbs and have a boat similar to the crossover ski/wake boat. I was going to go with the 99 to make sure I had enough lift for a smaller wake, but looks like the 84 might work too.
The 99cm will hold it a bit better but it's very slow to carve. You'll have more fun on the 84cm. Even more fun on an Armstrong MA1750 or CF2050 -- call us to talk if you'd like (909)698-0401
At 7:25 you give a note to drivers. Can you go into more detail about what to look for and what to avoid?
Hi Allan -- Sorry for the delay in responded. You bet...and if you send me video of your wake, we're happy to take a look. For the second wake (especially in non wake boats = smaller waves) you really want to adjust your speed to maximize the size of the center hump. In this video, Eric (driver) was .5 to 1mph too fast which caused the wave to begin to take a more vertical shape. The ridge line is the beginning of the wave shape becoming a "V". When you see that form, it's harder for the foil to keep up with the boat, and wave transfers become more of a challenge. Slow the boat down to avoid the "V" and try to get a big hump directly behind the boat. In most cases that correlates with a steeper 2nd wave face.
Hope that helps. Thank you for checking out our video and apologies again for the slow response. We were out on the water!
Im a 205 lb rider trying to surf the wake behind a sea doo
I have some experience wake surfing
Would the 84 or 99 be a better fit for me
At205lb behind a jet ski -- I recommend the Armstrong CF2050 Foil kit. Email us to discuss - halflifet.5@gmail.com
Another option -- Axis 1150
If you stay Slingshot with just a SeaDoo -- 99cm but be aware - it doesn't match the options above.
Best,
Tim
Quick question on mast size - I'm about 6'1", 205 - brand new to foiling and I want to ride behind a jet ski, ski boat and wake surf boat (Axis) - what size mast would you recommend - I'm leaning toward that 90 centimeter on the 99 - most packages appear to be recommending the 24" mast - your thoughts
What's up BaDaBoom! Thank you for checking out our video. You may also enjoy the 90cm mast (how to ride) review. czcams.com/video/4zF0NJcZMYM/video.html. Thank you for subscribing!
At 205 and new to the sport here's my recommendation on Slingshot foil size:
- Jet Ski (definitely 99cm)
- Ski Boat (with ballast or not?) - no ballast 99cm. ballast 84cm.
- Axis surf boat 84cm all the way. 76cm once you've gotten good at riding comfortably without the rope.
As for the mast. 90cm mast is difficult to learn on. My preference for learning is the 46cm mast. You can do transfers, first wave or second wave on the 46cm (18"). At $77 it's a nice piece to be able to trade in/out in the context of your overall purchase. Ultimately I'd recommend the 61cm or the 71cm. It's not a material difference. This gives you some nice travel to add a few power pumps to move you across the wake on transfers as well as to regain the wave when you lose it. The 90cm isn't necessary behind the boat.
Have you tried the 90 cm mast with the 84 wing? Do you prefer the 90cm to the 61cm for wake surfing? The extra vertical would appear to be fun for more pumping/transfer room but the trade-off I'm assuming is in stability.
Hey Justin -- Yes - I have....and....I've tried the 71cm on the 84cm as well :-). They are all fun and excel in their own way. Ultimately - the 46cm is great when you're starting and can take you most everywhere you want to go. The 61cm gives you more travel and once you've mastered the 46cm it will allow you to accelerate via pump at a greater velocity. The delta of 71cm to 61cm is relatively small from a performance perspective and they ride about the same. Unless you're taking the 90cm to the full extension (which feels quite high) you're going to get everything you need out of the 61cm or 71cm. All of that said -- if you got the masts give them all a try to see what your favorite is!
I just picked up a 99 and love it. Could you please do a video on mounting in A position vs B position? I can’t find anything anywhere about when to use the different positions. The instructions didn’t mention it. Thanks
Hi Theodore -- Awesome - so glad you're liking the 99cm. Mount in the B position for the best experience. Start with it all the way back in the mast track. I think you'll likely enjoy 'B' position with the mast about mid track. Just let us know if that doesn't work for you but I'm confident it will.
I’ve had about a week and a half and I’ve managed to learn to surf behind my boat. I have a position A pretty far forward in the track. It would be really that nice if there was a real explanation as to the advantages and disadvantage is each position.
Hi Theodore -- you asked and we delivered! Thank you for pushing us to create this video and I hope it answers all of your questions. Here's the Slot A vs. Slot B discussion. czcams.com/video/-uFKEW23dmU/video.html
Thank you.
Love your videos. Remind people to have the stabilizer on the bottom facing down for both 84 and 99. I tried the 84 with a beginner and found that they got thrown off the board trying to manage such a big wing. Best progression was a small wing first day, medium space skate day 2, 84 day three. Wahat worked for you guys?
Hi George! We actually have a video that we'll publish within a few days about that exact thing -- Rear wing stabilizer choice and mounting.
Regardless of wing progression - the number one thing an instructor can do is be a phenomenal driver. This video covers it well: czcams.com/video/nX6KnJiMUuA/video.html
When we do our lessons for first time foilers we walk them through a progression. 1) 15" mast w/ H4 all the way back in the track. 2) 84cm (men) 68cm (women) on 61cm mast. Foot position and weight distribution is the key to keep the foil in the water. We don't use the space skate because it is a kite foil wing - not a wake wing.
Hope that helps. Sounds like you have it covered but just in case we do Zoom video lessons which are quite effective. You send us video and we break it down together and utilize our vast library of videos to illustrate instructional points.
You can also follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
All the best,
Tim
HALF-LIFE Thanks Tim. I will follow on insta. I'll send a video of a floating dock start. It is an easy way to figure out how to ride the board. First without a foil, then with a foil. When you fall we let you try the water start. My wife Lisa is a great driver.
Another thing that I do is launch a kite from the water with the student sitting in an inner tube behind the boat. Nothing for them to hit. We can give a little Gas to help the launch. As soon as the kite is up they hop or pop out of the tube.
Is the 46cm mast easier than the original 15"?
Interesting! Can't wait to see the video.
For the first time beginner the original 15" is great. That said - if you have the 46cm mast (and not the 15") - I'd say just go with the 46cm. It will definitely work. Be super gentle on the throttle - especially with first timers.
Tim
Question about the size of the rear wing on the 84. On most of the packages I see the 84 paired with a 42cm rear wing. Your video looks like the 48?
Hi Jeff -- Interesting that you've seen that. To my knowledge the 48cm is the standard for both the 84cm and the 99cm. I have heard that you will get a 'looser' feel if you ride the 84cm with the 42cm but for us when we ride the 84cm we're on the 48cm. For the 68cm we ride the 42cm (same rear as 76cm).
Hey bro great content,
I’m 6’4” 250-260
Athletic but beginner, what would you recommend, I wanna pump mostly.
I’d think 36-42 inch board, What do you think?
What type of a boat? Have you chosen your foil yet? Please email us at halflifet.5@gmail.com so that we can get into more detail.
Cheers,
The Crew at Half-Life
Had any of these HG snap the fuselage off the mast? My son up there by you just hit something and lost the switch fuselage and both wings. The bolt heads completely sheared off and bolts left in the mast. Hows Armstrong?:)
Hi Jerry -- please feel free to give us a call (909) 698-0401. We've heard of a few people losing their foil kits to the bottom. Most of the time it is from using the shorter screws in mounting (they look like the longer ones). But one slingshot customer in particular has lost too kits in the manner you outline.
On a whole the Armstrong titanium screws seem to be stronger but I definitely don't go out and run into floating objects to see if they sheer off :-). That said, check out the mast T-nuts that are used. They're hard core and my bet is that if only one of them remained, it would be enough to keep the mast on the board. Armstrong's construction and thoughtfulness in design is top in the industry right now. Happy to talk you through it. And...if you're son wants to come ride them with us on Lake WA - just shoot us a note at halflifet.5@gmail.com.
Cheers,
Tim
If you wanted a strictly dedicated Jump/Pump/Glide Foil set up (I'm 165 pds) which SS kit (Foil,Stab,Mast,Fuse) would you recommend? (I already WakeFoil with Surf orientated Wings) Enjoy your videos :)
Hi IRWE905 -- thank you for the compliments on the videos. Very much appreciated.
I'm not sure of the application for jump/pump/glide because those are pretty different and depends on boat and some other factors.
Assuming a big wake surf wake:
Glide: Hover glide 84cm
Jump: 68cm infinity
Pump: Move to Armstrong Foils HS1550V2, HS1850 or to Axis 1150. We prefer the Armstrong because it still turns wicked good in the waves.
Please email me at halflifet.5@gmail.com or message me on Instagram @halflifet.5 for a richer discussion of trade offs.
Cheers,
Tim
Hi Tim, 👍 on every your excellent video. I’ve done water ski and wakeboard behind the boat but not with foil boarding before. My local sale rep. and instructor recommended Slingshot 84cm front wing set but my mind is in love with 99cm wing set and ready to buy one. I want to learn foiling behind the boat at first and will foiling on small ocean wave later since I’m living in Florida. What’s your though and advice for me as a beginner of this adventure. Very appreciate for your reply.
Hi Nelson -- great to meet you and thank you for checking out our video -- hopefully you subscribed to our channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
A couple quick questions:
1) What boat will you be foiling behind?
2) How much do you weigh?
3) Are you trying to prone foil surf with the same setup?
And then - just out of curiosity - where in Florida?
Shoot us a note back and we'll get back to you. My initial reaction is the 84cm but I want to hear a bit more first. I'm sure you likely saw this other video comparing the 76cm, 84cm, and 99cm. czcams.com/video/aX0bHH9eQCo/video.html
And - here is our "how to wakefoil" playlist so that you can save time/money with your instructor :-) czcams.com/video/4zv3Wi7JznY/video.html
Thanks for your quick respond. I’m about 170lbs resident in Palmbay/Melbourne and my favorite local surf store is in Cocoa beach near Ron Jon famous surf store. The boat is in/out board REGAL 176SE 145hp on 6 cylinder Volvo. I’m try use the same foil equipment for behind the boat, ocean foil board and hand kite later when gain more control with the foiling board. I forgot to mention that instructor at the shop never try with 99cm before. So I’ll go for your advice.
Hi Nelson -- I'm pretty sure I already replied to you but just in case....The 84cm will work great for you. If you'd like the 99cm - it will work as well. Given the smaller wave of the Regal the 99cm may be a bit better.....that said...the 84cm is versatile enough to make that work. I know.....not that helpful but you're right on the borderline with that boat. Beginners like the 84cm better.....For small waves - I like the 99cm better.
Thanks for all the info Tim. I have a specific question for you that could really use some guidance on: 230lb rider trying to ride ropeless behind Yamaha 195 s jetboat. Would you recommend the 99 or 84, and is it necessary to get the 48cm rear wing or can I run it with my current 42cm rear wing. (Current board set up is on the 65cm space skate). Thank you!
Wow Neil! The 65cm space skate is not going to work for you so if you're having a hard time going ropeless - don't let it get in your head. The issue with the jet boat is two fold 1) a bit of a messy wave and 2) the turbulence from the jet. That said - we've foiled behind them and had a lot of fun - especially with some extra ballast bags.
If budget is flexible - I'd recommend you move over to the Armstrong HS1850 foil kit with a CF300 tail wing. If you want to pursue this option - call us at (909) 698-0401. Assuming you want to stay in the Slingshot family - I'd likely go with the 99cm with the 48cm. You can run it with your 42cm which will help it be more loose but you'll lose some of the stability and glide. Foils - and how they ride - change in the ~210lb + range. There's a ton of athletic guys in your space -- a rider that you may have seen in our videos and social media (@halflifet.5 on instagram) is 6'3" and 230lb. We use him as our test point for various equipment. That plus our customer base that ranges from 120lb -- 270lb.
Thank you for checking out our videos. Please don't hesitate to call if you decide to go Armstrong.
Best,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO thank you for the suggestions. I have the 99cm wing out for delivery today and am going o run it this weekend to see how it goes!
@@neilgalaga Cool - let us know how it goes!
Great vids guys. Can you tell me what distributor you use in the seattle area? I have family in Everett but I'm in Boise. I plan to kite at Jetty Island eventually but started foilboarding on the 76 behind the boat last year. I purchased online previously but would much rather start building a relationship with a local distributor. I'm 225lbs. so looking at the 84 or 99 and also want to buy my first kite. I only know of Urban Sports and I like their stock and location. Just curious which way you throw your money. Oh, I am a 25 plus year Skyski addict. WOuld love a demo day in the Seattle area (or just hook up and ride). Thx
Hi Jerry - thank you! I have family in Boise! (warm springs road). Urban Sports is great here in the Seattle area. We can certainly hook you up with a demo on the 84cm and the 99cm so that you know what you're buying before spending the money. Drop us a note when you're in Seattle. I'd love to see some Skyski videos - send them our way halflifet.5@gmail.com.
To answer your question about distributor - it's a little complex. We do a ton of research on various products so we feel comfortable going direct. So for foil products we go direct to Slingshot and Armstrong. We buy GoFoil through Hi-Tech in Maui. For kites - Cabrinha from our contact in Baja and Slingshot direct. I know....a bit of a messy answer. Regardless - we're here for you and can help guide the process for wake foil as well as kiteboarding. My first kites (which I still use today) are Cabrinha Switchblade. Super versatile from beginner to intermediate - can't go wrong. For larger sizes we use the Cabrinha Contra (13, 15, 17). The Slingshot RPM is a great all around kite to start with as well. You'll want to look at typical wind conditions where you'd like to kite. If it's Jetty - you will likely want the Contra which is a good light wind kite. I know cost is definitely a consideration but starting with a two kite quiver may make sense so that you're not stranded on the beach when conditions change as they're known to do.....especially around Seattle.
Hi there..great videos/ reviews.
I'm interested in the 99 large front wing but live in BC Canada.
Are there any distributors up here?
Hi James -- let me find someone for you. Please email me at slingshotfoils@gmail.com
Thank you so much for checking out our videos! Hopefully you subscribed and follow us on Instagram @halfliftet.5
Cheers,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO ok thanks! I sent an email
In your earlier videos you use the different Slingshot foils, then all of a sudden other brands and no more SLingshot. What was the reason for the switch?
Hi Caspar -- we do enjoy the Slingshot foils but there are some limitations. We still use one of them for lessons but for our riding we've switched over the Armstrong due to a higher level of performance. The lightweight carbon, carving, and ability to pump currently out performs the Slingshot. All of that said -- the Slingshot is a great foil kit to begin the wake foil journey with. Please don't hesitate to call us (909)698-0401 with any questions.
Cheers,
The Half-Life Crew
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Got anything for big boys ? 6’6” 330lbs. This looks like a blast
Hi Vic -- Nice! At 6'6" and 330lbs I'd suggest the 99cm. For your size you're going to want to be at the largest wings offered by the various companies -- mostly so that you can sustain flight once you're airborne. Do you do other water sports? What boat will you be behind? Out of curiosity what lake/ocean will you be riding?
I want to bounce this off a couple people for their opinion (and folks may chime in here). A high aspect wing may be the way to go. Please respond with answers to the questions above.
Thank you for checking out our video - hopefully you subscribed to our channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
I Wakesurf and wakskate behind a 2014 232 supreme v drive
Hi Vic -- Just to make sure we're closing the look -- I'm sticking with my recommendation for the Slingshot Hover Glide 99cm foil set up for you. Let us know if you want us to put in an order for you. With us you get a Half-Life discount assuming you have subscribed to our channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
Hey Guys!
Firstly ...Love the videos ... The information you guys provide is top notch!!
Ok so here is my problem, I have a Yamaha jet boat and I've put a wave make wedge and a 350lbs ballast to trying give the boat a bit more of a wave. I purchased at first the slingshot with 76 foil but as I weigh 200lbs I found that I couldn't let go of the rope. I then got the 84cm but im still struggling to let go of the rope and have enough power to propel me along... im just wondering what im doing wrong? I can ride this board easy with the rope no problem but im really wanting to let go of the rope.
there are so many adjustments from mast size to different positions im wondering if I have something set up wrong,
sorry for the ling winded post.. many thanks Luke!
Hi Luke -- thanks for watching our videos - glad they're helpful and hopefully you're a subscriber!
The jet boats are a bit strange in terms of propulsion as it hits the foil. It's manageable but something to know is different than the push of the typical wave. With the jet boats I've found the first wave to typically be better than the second in terms of push.
Have you tried the first wave?
The 84cm w/ you at 200lbs should work well.
What mast length are you on? Any of them should work but with a smaller wave (as with the jet boat) having the 61cm or 71cm will help you out.
Please shoot us a short video and we'll take a look. You can reach us at halflifet.5@gmail.com
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO I just pushed that subscribe button! thanks for the speedy response and I hope you guys had a fantastic July 4th! I'm from England originally...but who doesn't like to set off a few fireworks and join in on the fun!
Thanks for the tip! I haven't tried first wave because there is a lot more turbulence, but I'll give it a go and shoot you over a video.
Cheers!
Sounds great. Thanks for being cool about the whole independence thing :-).
Cheers!
and thank you for subscribing!
Great vid and new subscriber.
Looking to learn to foil behind a boat then transition to winging, I’m 200lbs and thinking the 84? Thanks for her advice
Hi Patrick - thanks so much for checking out our video and subscribing to our channel! Welcome to Half-Life!
At 200lbs I'd recommend the Hover Glide 84cm behind the boat. (but just to be certain - what boat will you be foiling behind?)
For winging - where will you typically be winging? Is the wind somewhat steady or highly variable? The 84cm is a good choice (It's what I'm learning on here on Lake Washington where the wind is typically up/down) but the 99cm will work on lower speeds and wind levels. BTW - winging is a blast.
HALF-LIFE thanks for the input. Boat is 24’ with a deep V hull so will be lots of wake. I’m in Vancouver, BC and will be winging on the ocean, typical rolling southwestern swells in the 20 kt range coming off straight of Georgia into Howe Sound.
Nice! Our neighbor to the North! Sometimes with Deep V hulls it kicks off a more vertical wake -- although plenty of wake, it comes off the boat more parallel to the boat as opposed to slightly more perpendicular such as a wake boat (of course we're talking directionally). All of that said, the second wave should be able to set up nicely. With that knowledge - I'm going to stick with the 84cm recommendation.
The Grady White in this video is a 24' deep V up until the 1:52 mark (czcams.com/video/yOzgYjD6E6k/video.html). After that it's a 33' Grady White. As you'll see, the first wake is challenging - tight window (not to mention outboards!), while the second wave on the foil really opens things up.
20 knots! Perfect. So you're likely looking at a 4.0 to 4.4m meter wing. With that windspeed you should be good to go on the 84cm. Here's a rough wind sizing chart for wing sizes.
3.2M - 23-43 MPH
4.0M - 15-30 MPH
4.4M - 13-26 MPH
5.4M - 10-22 MPH
6.4M - 8-20MPH
@@patrickreid9823 Hi Patrick.I live just north of Whistler and am looking at a Slingshot infinity 99 wing.Dk you know of any BC or Canadian distributors?
Can you make a vid on jumping those foils?
Hi Jerry - we plan to. Currently we're working through whether or not we need straps to get repeatable results.
Tim, you leaving the mast in the “B” position? I just saw Slingshots lastest video talking about moving mast to the “A” position on shorter boards but be careful to use the right length bolts. I’m referencing the 84 with the 48 rear. Thanks.
Hi Steve -- haha - I saw that as well. In fact my friend Doug lost his wing by making the mistake they are talking about. Always be very careful to ensure that the screws you use to go into the mast are the longer ones. They're identical in every way except the length. Where he says 1-2 threads....it actually goes about 3-4 threads...just secure enough to have you believe it's in. For the 84cm - yes 'B' position for wakefoiling is what I've found to be best. That said - if for some reason it isn't working for you, feel free to explore. Easy enough to move to A and then back to B - just use the correct screws! Hope you're well.
HALF-LIFE Thanks! Appreciate your expertise.
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@Hayden Enrique yup, have been using flixzone for since november myself =)
Hi guys! Cool stuff!
Looking to get a slingshot foil for wake. I'm a small guy, only weigh in at 140 but can't really understand why bigger is'nt better for foils...wouldn't a huge foil like the 99 let me ride any type of wake, even the wake of say a 15ft boat with a 50hp outboard? (All i got and have space for)
Would really appriciate your advice!
Hi George -- happy to have a conversation and put in an order for you. You're absolutely right that a huge foil provides you with different capabilities than a small foil. It's all about what that feel is going to be as you ride it. For example at 140lb - the 99cm is a big wing for you. What that translates to is that you'll have a harder time carving it, it will be slower moving through the water, and less responsive. All of that said - for a 15ft boat with a 50hp outboard - that might be the right call. The larger the wing (as a general rule - not absolute rule) the smaller the wave you can ride. You on the 99cm would do great on that wake. Arguably - you'd do great on the 84cm as well. The 84cm is MUCH more responsive than the 99cm. You really need to commit to change direction on the 99cm. Ultimately - all of these wings are a blast to ride so don't over think it too much. The 76cm is doable but with that small of a wake you'll have more fun on the 84cm or 99cm. In the Armstrong Foil family - the HS1850 would be the call for you.
Thank you for checking out our video - hopefully you subscribed to the channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
Cheers,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Thanks Tim for the great advice! When spending this amount of cash on a new toy that you really have no first hand knowledge about, having somebody help and share their experience really goes a long way in making the right decision...especially with so many options avalable!
Deffinitely subscribed! have to look you guys up on instagram too, i'm shure you post some cool stuff!
Thanks George -- happy to have a call if you'd like as well. Email us at halflifet.5@gmail.com and we can set up some time. Totally get the $$ and multiple choices when you're new to the sport.
i'm 195 lbs and thinking about getting a 6 foot sup foil board. do you think 84cm wing is enough or should i go for 99?
Hi Whetim! So - I assume you got the SUP foil board to SUP foil in the ocean. What board did you get for yourself? How many Liters? Typical size waves? I reserve the right to change my answer based upon the above :-)
I'd recommend the 84cm.
Trade offs: 84cm is a quick raising foil. depending upon wave size you may have to work to hold it down. But once you're up it carves nicely and will be much more responsive than the 99cm.
99cm is more stable and will hold the glide longer. It raising more slowly given you a more stable lift off but it will not give you the surf carve feel as well as the 84cm.
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO thanks! i haven't gotten it yet but i'm thnking moon buddy 6'0 for riding small waves in the ocean - yes.
@@whetim Cool! You may want to look at the Slingshot Shred Sled as well (Slingshot owns Ride Engine). It gives you some more liters (143) and gives you a great board for winging and windsurf foiling in addition to SUP. Even if you don't think those sports are of interest to you now....once you start to foil you will basically want to foil everything :-)
With either board -- I'd still recommend the 84cm. OR - if you have the budget to go carbon - I'd recommend the Armstrong 1550. Happy to have a call about trade offs or a longer email exchange. You can email me at halflifet.5@gmail.com
Best,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO thanks - yes the shred sled is an option but it's long and harder to fit in car + like 30% more expensive. I'd like to stick to either slingshot or moses eco system of foils. have you tried moses 1100?
@@whetim Only the Moses kite wing. Haven't tested for SUP. I know the Slingshot line super well but not Moses.
Any experience on the Cabrinha Varials?
Hi Jerry -- Not. Not to date. Additionally - haven't seen them around the beaches / lakes. Do you currently own one?
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO No, researching and shopping right now. At 225lbs, the 76 I bought last year isn't quite enough. To go to the 99 I also need the 48 rear stabilizer. The two together come in at $900 just for a wing upgrade. That's why in my first post I asked about your distributor. I'm looking for a good shop to make purchases from. Where is my first post? Thx!
got it! responded to your first post now. It somehow disappeared - apologies!
Do you have any used boards/foils for sale?
Hi Henry - Not currently but if anyone replies to this with extra gear they'd like to sell, I'll definitely let you know. What part of the country do you live in?
HALF-LIFE I live in Bellevue Washington. Might need some advice from you guys. Looking at buying a complete set up this summer. Foil/ Board. Trying to catch the lady of the lake waves in chelan on the foil. Get towed in behind a jetski and I’m just curious what you think would be the best set up for that?
@@henryroberts9546 Hey Henry -- awesome - perhaps we can hit lake washington together. I've had my eye on the Lady of the Lake as well. I think that would be awesome. I've only see their marketing materials -- I haven't seen their wave in person. How much do you weigh and how much wake surfing have you done?
HALF-LIFE that would be sweet! I weigh 216 currently. And I have wake surfed since I was young! Stoked to see if I can get a foil that will do the job. I’ve checked out some kite boarding sites and they have some good deals on foils.