How to Buy a Hydrofoil for the Lake
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This sport is dangerous. Please be safe. We’d encourage you to thoroughly review all product safety material prior to trying. If you don’t feel safe, do not proceed. This sport is not as easy as it looks. It took us many hours of practice, but we enjoyed the journey. Please use a CGA life vest. Please wear a helmet to protect your head. Please wear a wetsuit to protect from cuts from any sharp edges. Please proceed at your own risk. We review products and share our own personal experience. If you rely on the information in this video, you assume responsibility for results. Wake Thief, LLC.
00:00 - Introduction
00:17 - Foiling Disciplines
00:38 - Parts of Foil
01:10 - How Foils Work
02:05 - Fuselages, Rear Wings & Control
03:07 - Front Wings
05:00 - Masts
05:46 - Boards
06:56 - Conclusions
08:22 - Recommendations
We want to help you buy your first foil. When we discovered this sport in 2018, we didn't know where to turn. We purchased our first foil on Amazon with very little knowledge or guidance, and it didn't meet our needs. After spending about $6,000 we finally found a foil we really enjoyed. In this video, we share what we've learned on our journey to help you: (1) learn about this sport, (2) understand the parts of the foil and how a foil works, and (3) share some of the factors you'll need to consider when purchasing your first hydrofoil. - Sport
I'm 65 and have surf for over 40 years. This presentation is a wealth of solid and essential information. It still seams like a complicated purchase, but this helps a lot.
So glad to hear that, Tom. If I can ever help, please don’t hesitate to reach out.
Such a great video, wish I had this 4 years ago when I bought my first foil!
Me too! I spent $6k before I found something that did what I wanted. Problem was that I didn’t even know what I wanted when I started! Thanks so much for leaving a comment
Another Great Vid. Soo much techy info. Many many thanks
Another amazing video many thanks.
Been waiting for this video thanks!
You’re welcome! Thanks for sharing this
As always. A great vid. With an amazing amount of info. Many many thanks.
Thanks, David! I appreciate you taking the time to share that
You are lifesavers and saints! Also good analysis and presentation in all your videos. Very impressive. Thank you.
Thank you!
Great info!!! I learning wing foiling. Right now in PA the lake's water tension is very 'thick' so learning the wing with Wing Skiing. Last fall I successively used the lake as a netipot and wash the back of my brain. Thanks for info. For newbies nose plugs aren't the coolest but they work great! Thanks again for great info. I am going to tweak the fuselage and rear wing I think.
Ha! Awesome. I hear you regarding neti pot. And even after 300+ hours of foiling I’m still wiping out and cleaning out my sinuses!
It may also be that Hugo is super human, but I do notice that he does not swing his arms and that has to conserve energy.
This is perfect thanks!!!
This is a phenomenal breakdown of the overwhelming amount of information in the world of hydrofoils and the various sports that have adopted them. As an aspiring foiler, this is the single most succinct yet informative resource there is. Thanks again for your efforts. Other than Matt Nuzzo from REAL watersports, you are an industry lead in communicating how to best get into the sports.
I really hope you are appropriately compensated by Axis, Armstrong, etc! Other than buying that specific Axis setup, what is the best way to support you?
Suggestion: I'd love an infographic of your recommendations summary. It would be nice to consume the info in a single pdf as opposed to video. Make sure to brand it so you get appropriate credit!
Wow. Thank you, Nate. This really made my day and fuels us to keep going. I really appreciate it. Our next video will summarize all of our 2021 reviews. I promise to include summary as you requested. I will also go back to all of the reviews and include a link to a PDF summarizing its scores! Great idea. Thank you. As for supporting me, I'm as happy as can be. I'm having a blast doing all of this and notes like this are the most important thing to me. Thanks again for making my day.
I agree 100 percent. I have watched the evolution of your craft, allowing me to purchase a admundsun board, and your experience with foils is taking the next step,in choosing a good lake/ dockstart foil.Thank you
Thank you so much for your kind words!
This is exactly what I need. Since I am currently in NY I hope if I can pick one up before returning to London.
Hey Anthony. Pls feel free to email. Happy to help you figure it out. I appreciate the comment! Thanks. Wakethief@icloud.com
Thank you so much🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
Great video!!! I built my setup from a clearwater kit and am now looking to upgrade. Have you tried river foiling? That is my next adventure. With a rope in light current up stream and down river is a heavier CFS.
Excellent as always! I need to start thinking about what to get. I have bought a 5M wing but I want to find what I need to wake surf and wing surf, but maybe do some other things, I don't think I'll be able to get away with just one rig for it all. Again, extremely well done video.
Thanks Pete! Good to hear from you. Looking forward to our lake thawing and getting back out there!
I'm totally new and I want to start... I hope this vidéo gave me enough info 😅
Thanks for making such a concise video covering all the foiling variants! My only comment is your generalization about aluminum masts being stiffer than carbon masts. Lots of exceptions to that statement.
That’s fair, but I still haven’t found a carbon mast stiffer in torsion (yaw direction) and my favorite, stiffest mast is still the axis 19mm aluminum. Carbon masts tend to have carbon layup focused on bending at expense of torsion and are still favoring low drag (thin, short chord) ahead of slightly higher drag aluminum masts that tend to be thicker and longer chord which helps stiffness.
Please check out our axis carbon mast review. It’s still the stiffest carbon mast we’ve found and we prefer the aluminum over carbon.
Totally inspired here in NW Florida! What kind of setup and or Wing size should we look at for my 80 lb son? We live on a quiet bayou where the odd boat whips through periodically. Loving your videos!
Thanks, Kristen! Please email me at wakethief@icloud.com. Happy to help! Does he have prior boardsports experience? Devon
I really enjoy all your videos. I learned a lot of stuff and they helped to get better faster. I still struggle to get enough weight to the frontfoot. My backfoot is always much more exhausted!!! Any advice? Which set up do you recommend now for pumping on a lake? Still the axis 1150? Greetings from Switzerland (Iˋm pumping with the Indiana frontwing 1396)
1396 will work well. Try shimming base plate so it’s your board is a bit more nose down and your feet will be more evenly extended and loaded. Check out our “tune your foil” video
Thank you very much. By the way. Where are you at home? I see videos with snow like here in Switzerland!
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Amazing vid! Any advice here?: Trying to decide between Hover Glide FSup (Infinity 84 wing) and HoverGlide FCarve (Quantum 84 wing) also looked at Fpump (Quantum 100 wing). I'm around 220lbs. Riding behind a wake boat. Current intermediate skillset...but don't want to buy something 'less difficult to learn' that I'll eventually get bored of. Priorities are 2nd wave carving, and I'd also like to be able to learn to wing foil in ~10 - 15 knotts wind. Hoping to find a sweet spot, as I don't plan on buying a new wing ever month :)
I’d go infinity 99 at your weight. mackite.idevaffiliate.com/idevaffiliate.php?id=102&url=5
It has more area. Will let you fly at lower speeds. You’ll also enjoy the distant wakes too. Here are the details: m.czcams.com/video/IfZUtNBEl6w/video.html
what is your view on the Hyperlite Majic Karpet Wake Foil Package 2024 and the Hyperlite Shuttle / Booster Wake Foil Package 2024
I have a question, so I found a used cabrinha high rise lift foil, would that be good for behind a boat and surfing pretty small boat wakes and maybe pumping wake to wake once and a while, and would a cheap wakesurf board with holes drilled into it to mount the hydrofoil be good, or should I find a actual hydrofoil board, I’m trying to keep it as cheep as I can right now.
It seems like a ton of fun and I have a great little run about for this, but getting into it is so expensive, would that set up be good? Or do you have any suggestions?
Thanks.
I’ve drilled holes in a skateboard and a wake skate. A lot of different board alternatives can work … whatever scratches the itch! Good luck.
How can I get my hands on those arms that hold up the foil board on the side of the dock for dock starting?
Hi Mike / Here’s a video with instructions. Please reach out with questions! Happy to help. Easy Dock Starting for Hydrofoils
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What camera setup are you using? Great video.
Hero 8s and go pro max
Great video, what whould you recommend for a 85 kg person willing to surf behind a boat?
I hope this video can help … czcams.com/video/XLSSXiEm52o/video.html is a review of AXIS. We also have reviews of slingshot and Armstrong. Budget and what you want to do may pull you to higher performance or lower cost. Happy to help you specifically as you might want to go a different di. Please email me at wakethief@icloud.com.
Cool video(: I use them a lot.
I can see you have a slingshot quantum 100 in this video?
What do you think about it ? Is it worth the money.
Can't find any video with it. So am a little nervous to buy
It’s a nice wing, and if you’re invested in slingshot already, a fun upgrade from 84/99. Not as easy to dock start but more fun to pump and surf small wakes.
Thanks (;
How do you feel about feather tech foils. Seems like the most affordable option for a beginner like me? Thanks
I don’t know much about them at all but I am aware. Sorry I can’t speak to it!
Hi. Looking for best set up with gear I have. Have Moses 1100 and 799 front wings and 450 and 370 stabilizer. I have a 70cm fuselage and set up to also mount stab at 60cm. 72cm mast only. Boards i have are axis tray 94cm and Dwarf craft 110cm (not micro version). kite and wing foil experience. Never tried dock start. Weigh 70kg. any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike.
Hi Mike … best setup for dock starting? The 1250 was good. You can check the review out on our channel. I’d recommend that since you have a sabfoil.
I'm curious about the wing you displayed at 4minutes and 4 seconds where the wings are swept forward. Did you report on that one? I was waiting for your report video on Quantum 100 slingshot but wasn't satisfied with your comment below...so I modified my Gamma 68 Slingshot wing into a 42 inch wingspan. It works nice with my windsurfing 140L board and 5m sail
Haven't dockstarted with it yet.
Thanks for the comment. That foil is the XXLW from Horue. We haven’t made a video sharing our experience. We have the Quantum 100 on a list and the footage almost complete. A lot of foils in my basement ready to review and I apologize for the delay. We have three new videos coming very soon. The gamma 68 is a nice foil for the wake. Good luck with your modification. Very cool!
Wow this buyers guide really improved from the previous one. The way you planned all subjects, talked slowly and with the infographics made it really comprehensive. Good Job!
I still do have one question where i would like to have your opinion. I’ve heard you say that a rider of 150lbs/68kg only needs 1300sqcm instead of 1700 for similar experience (small wakes and dock start). I (65kg, and no experience) currently have my eyes on a foilset that meets all requirements for the fuselage, mast and front wing except the aspect ratio. The front wing is:
- 1300sqcm
- 79cm span
- 21cm tow
Which gives me an aspect ratio of 3.8… do you think i can get away witht his aspect ratio because i’m a lightsr rider or is it for me also recommended to go for a wing with 7 or higher aspect ratio?
Jimmy! Awesome question and thanks for the response. My views have evolved. I now wish I was 150lb and a 1700sqcm / 7 aspect ratio would let me fly much longer … but, I always have to ask if the 150lber wants to carve as easily as I do. With less weight it’s harder to roll a large span wing over. If they say yes, they wanna do more than pump, I usually size them down like you mentioned in your comment. If they say they want to pump I show them our world record pump video when 145lb Will Culberson pumped a 1700sqcm / 7 AR foil for >6min! I’m so jealous. Let me help you directly. Email me please at wakethief@icloud.com. I love your depth.
I didn’t answer your aspect ratio question. I think this foil has a 4.8 (span x span divided by area), which is low to mid aspect. High aspect has lower drag which is always nice but comes at the expense of more sudden lift / takeoff and more challenging roll control (carving). Up to 7/8 seems great with diminishing return beyond that.
@@WakeThief thankyou so much for offering your help! I will sum up all the information I have now and send you an email soon!🤩
Awesome! Always here. Looking forward to your note! Devon
I was wondering if the real need to foil longer is to design a foil mast set up that allows the mast to be closer to the front foil pivot point. In other words the rider typically sets up with a foot position that straddles the front wing and uses mostly front foot pumping motion. The back foot is not engaged nearly enough. By redesigning the mast so it is mounted at the pivot point of the front wing you might have a more rocker like motion where front pushes down as back pulls up. A board would be slightly rockered with the mast track center board. Straps also become important to efficiently transfer power. The current mechanical motion works but is likely not as efficient as a rocking motion. Again just an observation but would really like to hear thoughts on this.
I think you're right, but for another reason. If we could get the mast closer to the front wing, we would reduce the bending / deflection that would happen at many of the joints. I also think you're right regarding foot placement. There's definitely an opportunity to better rebalance forces between the legs, as the back foot tends to get tired first because it's carrying most of the load. Straps makes a ton of sense. I will try it. Thank you!
Great video. I've kite foiled for many years almost all on a low aspect surf wing. This is great for aggressive carve. But now I'm using this same wing on an efoil and it's not perfect because my goal now is for more power off gliding. Help. Where to begin? I'm on Moses or Lift.... And looking at the Moses 799. I weigh 155 pounds
I just saw your email. Which efoil and front wing are you using together?
@@WakeThief On my 5 foot Lift with a 32 mast I have the Lift v2 Surf 200 and a 38 stabilizer. And I also ride with an adapter fuselage to Moses 679 with a 450 stabilizer. Trying to get familiar with the skill set of triggering off and gliding with the Lift folding prop. Thanks
Since efoil drag is dominated by the motor/prop, changing front wings out will most significantly affect take off speed and how much front foot pressure you need to give to hold the efoil down at high speeds. More area will cause both.
On some videos you have "scorecards". Is there a place online where you have all of these scorecards listed together?
Yes, please check out our Best Foil video. A link to the scorecards is in the description.
I’m trying to get my hands on an old dwarf craft micro with no success. Any recommendations on other 11L boards ?
Yes. Appletree Mini and Axis tray are in this size class. There are now many new dwarfs available.
Please share the pdf file of this information so I can translate and learn at least😢
There are a few cheaper foils kits coming on the market, what do you think of them. eg Jaeger-pro-foil Pegasus
I’ll take a look. Wasn’t even aware of those!
Love your videos, I’m 190-200lbs. Going to be using at lake for pumping and small wave riding from a boat. What foil would you recommended? Axis 1150 with the 460mm rear wing?
Thanks!!
Giddy up! Love that username! Yes. Exactly. I’m the same weight. 1150/460 and the elements we share at the link in the description.
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Happy to chat as well and try to answer any questions you have. Please Email. Wakethief@icloud.com
@@WakeThief Thanks, going to order this. What board would you recommend? Slingshot dwarfcraft 110 V1?
@@TodFather007 I'd recommend the 100. It's my favorite and just the right size (not too long that there's additional weight at the nose of the board that isn't helpful and not too short that your foot slides over the nose of the board). Let me know if I can help! I'm here if you need anything. wakethief@icloud.com
@@WakeThief Thanks again! I’ll have to upload some of our success and fails and tag you. Also, love your bungee set up, you will have to check out some of our bungee set up…
Thanks again!
Please send videos! I’m always here.
Dang I just ordered a cheap foil that has a 30" front wing. 1175cm2. Is it too small for lake pumping?
Not too small for pumping if you’re 70kg unless you’re good at pumping and can pump fast. It’s likely too small for >70kg folks to dock start but I’ve seen some professionals start foils that small from the dock.
@@WakeThief thanks for the reply! I'm about 175lb so I won't get my hopes up haha. It's from a brand called "crazy foil". I'm sure it'll be fine behind a boat wake. If you have a minute to look it up and give an opinion that would be awesome 😬
As I see that you live in North America why from all the brands that make boards for wing foiling you showed Horue?
That’s a great question! I’ve always been a fan of Horue. They might’ve even been the creator of the first large HA front wing in the XXLW.
Can you help me with a lake foil set up, I think I’d like to go with the slingshot brand.
Goal is to foil the second wake.
Boat- Yamaha jet boat
Riders- 150lbs, 120lbs, 88lbs
Thanks
Yes! I’d be happy to. Please email me at wakethief@icloud.com. We’re working on a behind the boat review now! I’d be happy to give you the inside scoop before we launch the video. Devon
Are you absolutely sure that the stabalizer pulls down? I was always told that the stab pushes up, to counter the pitch induced by the front wing.
Thanks for the question, Angus! I love having to think this stuff through. Yes. I’m quite sure this is how it works but there’s one scenario where it isn’t true and that’s when you’re at really high angles of attack such that the rear wing has a small positive angle of attack and then it will lift a small amount but those high angles of attack are not ideal because drag will be the highest then too. 99% of the time its pulling downward.
There is a recent thread on Kiteforum explaining that in details: "Stabilizer's lifting force..."
Thanks! I’ll check it out.
Does axis foils ship to Europe?
Yes, there are AXIS distributors in Europe.
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