Hey idk if you know this but it doesn't look like you're using it: upgrading towers does not require clicking, and instead can be accomplished by pressing 1, 2, or 3 for health, armor, and shield damage respectively. Has made my runs a lot more fun
@@ACRPlaysGames ive been wondering that too why you've been clicking, i just guessed you just preferred that way as to not accidently go overboard upgrading something. xD love this vids man, cant wait to see your channel blow up one of these days. Cheers!
Actually lucked into a 12 tile 1 portal map today and just barely got my first win thanks to powerleveling a shredder. If I hadn't watched this video I wouldn't have thought to do that. Also learned that it wasn't a mod that was causing the waves to automatically advance. Imagine my surprise when I learned waves started before I could even read the cards.
I wish there was a bleed upgrade, or a shredder upgrade called "severed tendons" that inflicts slow relative to bleed rate. It would make solo shredders a lot more viable.
Yeah slow is kind of in a weird place IMO. Poison is basically a better slow than slow because you can easily apply in an AOE but frost keeps can be overwhelmed by units.
I think you're right about the shredder's low ROF making things leak, but all of the leaks happened from the corner(s) where it was unable to target. The shredder then fires on the middle part, meaning that it technically fires on time, but targets 'wrong' so it doesn't hit the ones that have snuck by the middle already. I suspect it might do better if it had been placed on the other side or closer to the corner, with no gaps for the enemies with technically the most progress to hide.
The shredder is supposed to be competitive with the AOE towers which scale with level squared times number of mobs available so for the most part the shredder is only ahead of those if you keep it leveled up by putting money in. As the number of mobs increases pretty linearly with game level they (poison / fire / "bleed" towers) all feel sorta n-cubed-like. But the shredder is actual n-cubed so should ultimately win the "how far into endless can you go" sort of challenge vs poison or fire towers. Interesting to think about!
basically, the typical tower deals its level * other multipliers (or rather L*M to keep this short) to a target. For the shedder it deals its L * M to the 1st target, then (L-1)*M to the 2nd target, then (L - 2)*M to the third, and so on until the number of targets it hit equals its level(after which the saw projectile despawns). This means the total damage a shredder can do is scaled on a gaussian series. So, while the typical tower deals L*M per attack, Shredder deals (L*(L+1)/2)*M per attack. Things to keep in mind however is that the shredder's theroectical max damage loses efficiency if the hits overkill, if there are more enemies per minute than the shredders Level*ROF, or if its just a one or two very tanky enemies. The fact that overkills lose some efficiency doesn't matter too much since a single tower can technically hit the entire track (and the fact that the max is so ridiculously high little loss to overkills is ok), but the ROF limitations is why he had to build frost towers for the slow and the limitations on damage to single tanky targets is why he still had to build obelisks
18:50 I like the comments you made about the display I think those would be really nice changes to make for the mod because that system is designed with the base game in mind. I do agree that the tower upgrades and cards might look better if they were on the right side of the screen.
There are multiple different tile combinations to get the smallest possible map. There are 3 turn tiles for example, but all are valid in the first third fifth and sixth position. Likewise there are multiple straights that can spawn in the second and fourth. I forget how many straights there are but they can all result in the smallest map. Further, the first 3 tiles will never be a split, so they're more likely to get the correct pattern than the 4th through 6th. It's a complex probability space but it can be calculated by hand. I'll try it some time. I suspect it's somewhere in the hundreths or thousandths, not ten thusanths though
19:00 with modding you could probably make the individual parts of the upgrade window a drop down (aka you can hide certain panels you aren’t worried about (aka the bottom right one))
i tried several, 1 type of tower runs, ballista, mortar, obelisk i managed to win, i couldn't win with blade thrower, radar, or electric tower sadly. for obelisk i used 3 ice towers aswell and lost like 37 lives on the final round but still managed to squeak by lol. i'd enjoy seeing you use more radars :D tho i understand they aren't great lol. i had like 15 when i tried to only radar run, think i lost at like 38
This maps chance should be roughly ⅔*⅓*⅓*⅓*⅓*⅓=2/729≈0.274% 2/3 because it can be either bend to the left or right at first, but then you need to get exactly right turns 5 times in a row. This is assuming the left/right/straight turns are equally likely, and no splits.
@@urkerab i just started playing a few days ago and i got this map i lost on 25 cause of oogie , was new to the game and didnt have many upgrades done .
Would defineatly want to watch this on an endless run perhaps, also you should have defiantly taken the +100 bleed damage earlier as it ends up being quite valuable.
i just recently started playing rogue tower, and i realised how shredders and teslas are busted. basically every time i use them they end up deleting ads and mid tier enemies, doing like 4k damage a pop
I mostly get some radars for tank killing bcs they shot alot of small bullets qnd do alot of dmg when upgrade to armor sheild hp its the best boss killer atower imo
Just got to lvl 45. Needed 250/s mana to complete it :p got the balistas use "small" amount of mana on lvl 35 and needed to get them banks fast ff. But got it with a few points to spare. Fun game.
AlmostCertainlyRealGaming could you make a mod that doubles your card takes but ups the the difficulty? I can see some really cool gameplay where you are less restricted on tower choice and upgrades but still the difficulty would scale fairly!
It adds its own damage to every hit that the marked target gets, basically a single target damage buffer and when upgraded it helps you deal ridiculous amounts of damage per hit, especially with 4x crit.
That's ok. He got it wrong anyway. I have a degree in applied nerd. sum(k, {k from 1 to n}) is n(n+1)/2, so it is quadratic, not cubic. The sum of n² is a cubic. Generally the power goes up by one from the power that is being summed.
why wouldnt burn on snow make sense? heat isnt the only thing that can cause burns... extreme cold can also cause burns... so it actually makes sense..
Hi I’m looking at the mods and I can’t find the one that lets rounds start automatically, could you tell me the name or how you accomplished this? Thanks.
if you care you can take the game over level 45 by using cheat engine. game have 2 checks for finishing it, one is big brain dead and second is level over 45 finished. if you use cheat engine to skip level (just int search each time same as your level) you can go higher without game ending. I did test lvl 77 and I dont think game scales above 45 without mod, it seemed like lvl45 forever, just without oogie.
considering how much math stuff you know, you seem to not understand one of the core ideas of this game. When the number of gold in the top middle is lower than the upgrade cost of the tower, you don't need to press the upgrade button xD.
Hey idk if you know this but it doesn't look like you're using it: upgrading towers does not require clicking, and instead can be accomplished by pressing 1, 2, or 3 for health, armor, and shield damage respectively. Has made my runs a lot more fun
wtf mind blown
@@ACRPlaysGames ive been wondering that too why you've been clicking, i just guessed you just preferred that way as to not accidently go overboard upgrading something. xD love this vids man, cant wait to see your channel blow up one of these days. Cheers!
@@ACRPlaysGames i really like it when you using click instead press since it's easy to see upgrading in viewer POV
life changing!
Holy crap. Literally blew my mind too. Thanks
ACR explaining the math brought me right back to school where I would just nod and smile while understanding nothing. Great run
Mannn the memories
Actually lucked into a 12 tile 1 portal map today and just barely got my first win thanks to powerleveling a shredder. If I hadn't watched this video I wouldn't have thought to do that.
Also learned that it wasn't a mod that was causing the waves to automatically advance. Imagine my surprise when I learned waves started before I could even read the cards.
I wish there was a bleed upgrade, or a shredder upgrade called "severed tendons" that inflicts slow relative to bleed rate. It would make solo shredders a lot more viable.
Yeah slow is kind of in a weird place IMO. Poison is basically a better slow than slow because you can easily apply in an AOE but frost keeps can be overwhelmed by units.
yeah if i was bleeding out id definitely be slowing down lol.
I think you're right about the shredder's low ROF making things leak, but all of the leaks happened from the corner(s) where it was unable to target. The shredder then fires on the middle part, meaning that it technically fires on time, but targets 'wrong' so it doesn't hit the ones that have snuck by the middle already. I suspect it might do better if it had been placed on the other side or closer to the corner, with no gaps for the enemies with technically the most progress to hide.
This map is far more conducive to the "all shredders" and "all mortars" builds. I'd definitely like to see a map full of shredders.
The shredder is supposed to be competitive with the AOE towers which scale with level squared times number of mobs available so for the most part the shredder is only ahead of those if you keep it leveled up by putting money in. As the number of mobs increases pretty linearly with game level they (poison / fire / "bleed" towers) all feel sorta n-cubed-like. But the shredder is actual n-cubed so should ultimately win the "how far into endless can you go" sort of challenge vs poison or fire towers. Interesting to think about!
That math he did halfway through the video was so confusing
basically, the typical tower deals its level * other multipliers (or rather L*M to keep this short) to a target.
For the shedder it deals its L * M to the 1st target, then (L-1)*M to the 2nd target, then (L - 2)*M to the third, and so on until the number of targets it hit equals its level(after which the saw projectile despawns). This means the total damage a shredder can do is scaled on a gaussian series. So, while the typical tower deals L*M per attack, Shredder deals (L*(L+1)/2)*M per attack.
Things to keep in mind however is that the shredder's theroectical max damage loses efficiency if the hits overkill, if there are more enemies per minute than the shredders Level*ROF, or if its just a one or two very tanky enemies.
The fact that overkills lose some efficiency doesn't matter too much since a single tower can technically hit the entire track (and the fact that the max is so ridiculously high little loss to overkills is ok), but the ROF limitations is why he had to build frost towers for the slow and the limitations on damage to single tanky targets is why he still had to build obelisks
The way that I understood it was that shredders have the best bang for your buck as you upgrade them to high levels.
Greatly appreciate the breakdowns you give on your videos! Primo content my friend!!
18:50 I like the comments you made about the display I think those would be really nice changes to make for the mod because that system is designed with the base game in mind. I do agree that the tower upgrades and cards might look better if they were on the right side of the screen.
"I really need more shield damage" proceeds to dump 15 consecutive upgrades into health
Big shredder? Tonight we dine on turtle soup
Enjoying the shredder math discussion.
Even if its a level 1 single shredder, it'll still be the most satisfying thing out there.
There are multiple different tile combinations to get the smallest possible map. There are 3 turn tiles for example, but all are valid in the first third fifth and sixth position.
Likewise there are multiple straights that can spawn in the second and fourth. I forget how many straights there are but they can all result in the smallest map.
Further, the first 3 tiles will never be a split, so they're more likely to get the correct pattern than the 4th through 6th.
It's a complex probability space but it can be calculated by hand. I'll try it some time. I suspect it's somewhere in the hundreths or thousandths, not ten thusanths though
Honestly watching shredder is acrion is so satisfying, up there with mass mortars.
19:00 with modding you could probably make the individual parts of the upgrade window a drop down (aka you can hide certain panels you aren’t worried about (aka the bottom right one))
It bothers me that Obelisk's laser casts a shadow.
you ruined my day 😡
can't unsee it now
>:c
Yeah I noticed that too
I didn’t know Jordan Peterson played rogue tower
I was watching him right before this, weird coincidence.
i tried several, 1 type of tower runs, ballista, mortar, obelisk i managed to win, i couldn't win with blade thrower, radar, or electric tower sadly. for obelisk i used 3 ice towers aswell and lost like 37 lives on the final round but still managed to squeak by lol. i'd enjoy seeing you use more radars :D tho i understand they aren't great lol. i had like 15 when i tried to only radar run, think i lost at like 38
This maps chance should be roughly ⅔*⅓*⅓*⅓*⅓*⅓=2/729≈0.274%
2/3 because it can be either bend to the left or right at first, but then you need to get exactly right turns 5 times in a row.
This is assuming the left/right/straight turns are equally likely, and no splits.
That's because you're out by a factor of 10; 2/729=1/364.5≈0.274%. So if you played one no splits map every day you would see it once a year.
@@urkerab Thanks, edited the mistake, I knew I messed up somewhere. Idk how I went from 2 in 729 to 1 in 36 without noticing:D
@@urkerab i just started playing a few days ago and i got this map i lost on 25 cause of oogie , was new to the game and didnt have many upgrades done .
@@shivamsahu Yeah I guess you have to grind out those upgrades before you can properly enjoy the game.
Would defineatly want to watch this on an endless run perhaps, also you should have defiantly taken the +100 bleed damage earlier as it ends up being quite valuable.
are there any mods that let you do an endless mode? ive been wanting one for a while and when i heard him mention an "endless wave map" i got excited
Getting deep into the maths with polynomials ;)
In normal length maps I had to rely on 3 Lv. 50 Shredders and many Lv. 10 Radars. I also had to lengthen one path to the maximum.
I'm sure you could mod the opacity of the upgrade/card UI's and make them see through would be an easy way to fix the problem
i just recently started playing rogue tower, and i realised how shredders and teslas are busted.
basically every time i use them they end up deleting ads and mid tier enemies, doing like 4k damage a pop
I mostly get some radars for tank killing bcs they shot alot of small bullets qnd do alot of dmg when upgrade to armor sheild hp its the best boss killer atower imo
Anyone else just constantly right clicking their mouse while watching Rogue Tower videos?
Many people are saying there will be more ACR Rogue Tower videos eventually. I'm hoping the rumours are true!
Just got to lvl 45. Needed 250/s mana to complete it :p got the balistas use "small" amount of mana on lvl 35 and needed to get them banks fast ff. But got it with a few points to spare. Fun game.
AlmostCertainlyRealGaming could you make a mod that doubles your card takes but ups the the difficulty? I can see some really cool gameplay where you are less restricted on tower choice and upgrades but still the difficulty would scale fairly!
a secondary shredder on the back corner could have triggered the bleed crit mod, even if you didn't invest in it.
Absolutely disgusting. I was curious about if this was possible and yes. Yes it is
I know you were going all in on a big boy shread but a second for freebee upgrades could have made it a little easier.
Are you uploading again anytime soon my guy?
Why’s the frost keeps range so far?
Please teach me how to place consecutive towers without having to click the card over and over
What dose the lookout do?
It adds its own damage to every hit that the marked target gets, basically a single target damage buffer and when upgraded it helps you deal ridiculous amounts of damage per hit, especially with 4x crit.
omg yeah I know this map I've actually gotten it once I lost cause I was new man that sucks lol
15:00 sum of Natural numbers..... neeeerrrdddd /s
That's ok. He got it wrong anyway. I have a degree in applied nerd. sum(k, {k from 1 to n}) is n(n+1)/2, so it is quadratic, not cubic. The sum of n² is a cubic. Generally the power goes up by one from the power that is being summed.
How did you get this map? Modding?
czcams.com/video/BtKTXujwAjA/video.html - video about the mod here
why wouldnt burn on snow make sense? heat isnt the only thing that can cause burns... extreme cold can also cause burns... so it actually makes sense..
Ha - fair, got me on that.
@@ACRPlaysGames no problem ;) everyday we learn something... Some useful some less useful
Why the hell he keeps pushing those upgrade buttons eventhough he has no money...xdd
Fun fact: i got this map on my 6th game
Hi I’m looking at the mods and I can’t find the one that lets rounds start automatically, could you tell me the name or how you accomplished this? Thanks.
It isn't a mod, if there's no tile to expand the game just go to the next round automatically
@@fwnix5225 ah. Thought I saw it doing the same thing in another of your vids.
Freezer burns are a thing
The timing of this video was almost perfect. Off by just a few days.
What game is this?
1 shroeder and so many other tower... usually a title like this Mean you only use shroeder
if you care you can take the game over level 45 by using cheat engine.
game have 2 checks for finishing it, one is big brain dead and second is level over 45 finished.
if you use cheat engine to skip level (just int search each time same as your level) you can go higher without game ending. I did test lvl 77 and I dont think game scales above 45 without mod, it seemed like lvl45 forever, just without oogie.
lol meme strategy
considering how much math stuff you know, you seem to not understand one of the core ideas of this game. When the number of gold in the top middle is lower than the upgrade cost of the tower, you don't need to press the upgrade button xD.
I actually got this map lmao so badddd
Not math Nooooo Oh god please no No Noo NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO