Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Christian?
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- Trent Horn, proprietor of the Counsel of Trent Podcast, answers the question “are Jehovah’s Witnesses Christian?” in this lesson from his course in the School of Apologetics.
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As a Catholic convert and former Jehovah's Witness, this video is very well done. Praise be to God, and thank you Trent Horn and Catholic Answers for this much needed video. God keep blessing you all.
@Person11068 Yes, and Thank you. May God bless you and your loved ones too. In Christ.
You have another step to take, that is to become born again Christian
What a stupid thing to do, instead of being part of the "Great Crowd" of Armageddon survivors you have chosen to oppose Jehovah AND Jesus. That will put you on the wide road to destruction so you must have a death wish.
@@jagathjayasena yeah fortunately any adult Catholic with a saving faith in Jesus Christ is, by definition, a born again Christian.
My wife was a Catholic but she never believed it was the true religion she saw the absolute hypocrisy of it and left quich sharp when she had the veil of false religious doctrine removed by studying with JW's she said it was the best thing she ever did. She now free thank goodness.
As a convert from the Jehovah’s Witness to Catholicism, this is very accurate!
Then do something useful and help your ex-fellow @STROND who commented here.
Welcome home.
May God bless you.
Accurately false.
Are you out of your mind? You accept all the paganism? I never knew people could be so dumb.
@@nigelackroyd7991
What do you mean? Are you a JW?
As a former JW, the answer is NO. In fact, at the time I was a JW, they'd get offended if you called them Christians. NVM, at that time Jesus was thought to be the earthly form of Michael the Archangel. That also may have changed since their religion seems to change every 10 years or so by the process they call "new light".
Glory to God you're home ❤
If one doesn't professional the Nicene creed they can't be Christian, right? Glad you're out my friend.
If one doesn't profess the Nicene creed, one isn't Christian.
I agree with everything except them saying they are not Christians and that would offend them. I was a lifelong JW, ministerial servant and full time pioneer. As JWs we said we were the only real Christians. We did say we weren’t part of Christendom though. Glad I escaped the cult! But even now if I ask any JW if they are Christian they will immediately say yes and furthermore they are the only Christians.
@darthmcgee2216 their marketing must've changed at some point then. At my KH, they reinforced that we weren't considered Christians. I'm glad you made it out also. The only real believer left in my family is my mother.
I left the Catholic Church to become. J.W.s for nearly 19yrs. Worst mistake of my life. So blessed to be back in the Catholic Church.
Welcome back Home ❤
@@marcihf217 Thank you. So very blessed to be back in the Catholic Church. Long story to tell.
I was baptised Anglican, Church of England. Was baptised again at seventeen as a JW. That lasted five years. Now, I’m Anglican again. I attend an Episcopal Church in the US. Sometimes, I listen to Catholic Answers Live on CZcams, 6 pm EST.
@@dianesicgala4310 as if Catholicism is any better
@@S0L12D3 yes it is. It is the Church Our Lord Jesus started.
Mathew 1: 23
Behold, the Virgin shall be with child and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel, which means" God is with us."
There are literally 100's of names in the bible which carry the thought of god is this or god is that but this in itself doesn't prove that Jesus was god it's just a name.
Yehovah YHVH-JHVH in English, it's Jehovah, As the language is read right to left, the letter sequence is actually HVHY, and mean this pictographically:
H = ה = hey = behold/reveal/breath
V = י = yod = arm/hand/work/deed/worship
H = ה = hey = behold/reveal/breath
Y = ו = vav = nail/secure/add/and
When read pictographically, the word YHVH means, “Behold the hand, behold the nail.”
Contemporary English Version John 20:25
So they told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But Thomas said, "First, I must see the nail scars in his hands and touch them with my finger. I must put my hand where the spear went into his side. I won't believe unless I do this!"
Jesus' name means Jehovah is salvation. Emmanuel means Jehovah is with us.
Almighty God had no beginning.
The Lukewarm Church
Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
In Revelation 3:14, Jesus is referred to as, "the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation." The whole passage reads as "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God".
@@nigelackroyd7991,
God's name is YHWH and it's pronounced Yahweh in Hebrew and translated into English language is at Exodus 6:3 and Psalms 83:18
God's Son's name is Yeshua and translated into English language is Jesus .
YHWH is Almighty God
Genesis 17 :1
Yeshua/ Jesus is a Mighty God
Isaiah 9:6
They both are GODS
One is Almighty
One is Mighty
@@strappedfatman7858 It's Yahweh
This brings me back-- I still have faded little marks in my bible from high school, marking the verses defending what you said-- that was almost 50 years ago, wow!
Thank you Trent.
God Bless and have a great prayerful Advent.
I recently met a guy who was a former jehovah witness, the problem is he is now agnostic and absolutely disbelieve any form of religion whatsoever, I wish I could help him see the beauty of Catholicism and convert, but I lack knowledge on his past religion and his view of Christianity is all over the place, please help me help him
May God bless you
@WeaponofChoice-hx2hn for now, this is what I planned to do I love apologetics but I sometimes think testifying Christ rather then defending Christ can also work, I will absolutely learn about his former religion and Catholic answers to that, but as you say I will also testify Christ daily to him and pray, thank you very much
Praying for all JWs who truly are seeking the truth, that they will encounter Jesus.
We are praying for all Catholics that they come to know the ONLY true god Jehovah and the one he SENT Jesus.
Jesus being sent by God does not exclude him as being God.
The NWT bible corrupts the translation of John 1:1 to support this erroneous teaching that Jesus is just a god and not the true God. If there is only one true God, the Jesus is a false god.
Faith in Jesus means faith that He is our God, our Lord, our Saviour. There is no other name where we may find salvation.
Why not ask a JW as to why he left the church.
Revelation 18:4 may be useful.
@@nigelackroyd7991 So you are some kind of muslim ? I am a new Christian and the thing you say there is 1 to 1 a muslim apologetic says. Selam from Turkey
@@watchthisspace2099 John 1:1 does not say Christ is God, only that he had the Word. If you actually read the following chapters of John, Christ does not call himself God having the Word, but rather that for a Christian to be, they too, are also required to have that Word, to be "one in God". The Word can implicitly been seen as a power of God, in a similar concept to the Holy Spirit, it is transient on people.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my *word*, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my *word*, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my *word* hath no place in you.
Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: *for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me*.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my *word*.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the *word* of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
I Am the True Vine
Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the *word* which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
Joh 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the *word* might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy *word*.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Joh 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy *word*; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy *word* is truth.
Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their *word*;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
The Word is mentioned elsewhere in the Bible, but it does not denote a person being God.
as I see it... years ago a young man get reads the KJB. He notices a word in the bible Jehovah. He does not understand why churches don't use the word Jehovah. He then thinks he found some truth that everyone else missed. He does not understand that it was a man made word by a Jesuit. He then concludes that everyone is wrong, and now takes this error in misinterpreting the rest of the bible. He then finds others who are ignorant of this truth, creates his own religion, and preaches against the other religions. And people claim that bible alone theology is the correct way of understanding faith....lol
Good reflection.
Are you talking about Charles Taze Russell?
He was a con artist business man snake that borrowed beliefs from the SDA movement. As a teenager he didn't like the doctrine of hell.
@CatholicDefender-bp7myIsn't the Rabbi allowed to say it once a year during Passover?
A Gog of Magog Genocide!
The syllables Ha-lle-lu-yah or “Halleluyah” were in use by the Muskogee and Algonquin-speaking nations of the east and southeast coast before colonists. There are two independent recorded instances where the word Halleluyah was in use in Native towns that had never encountered Europeans. Thomas Thorowgood(1) in the 1650s recorded Halleluyah and other syllables similar to the Tetragrammaton in use by the Powhatan. One hundred years later, James Adair(2) made the same observations while living for 40 years in Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Creek towns in the 1700s.
Thorowgood had encountered with the Native Tetragrammaton variations. Vocables are a combination of syllables that are themselves compositions of the same core group of syllables; Yah, Weh, Yo, Heh, Wah, Ha, Ho, Hoi. It is interesting however that the names for God between these two geographically separated groups are similar. Yoweh sounds like a variation of Yahweh. Yo-he-wah sounds like a variation of Je-ho-vah. And Muskogee Yah, is analogous to the use of Yah in Hebrew. All three of those vocable sets are names for God in Muskogee and Tsalagi, just as their counterparts in Hebrew are names for God. As for the origin of the word Halleluyah in Native towns beyond the frontier in Adair’s life, in places that had never encountered a European, is history lost to genocide and time.
Why call Jesus , Jesus? That was not his name.
So needed this! Please make more so we can know our faith & why we have the real truth! Needed for Salvation
Keep speaking the truth of Jesus Christ.
Keith Nester is not speaking the truth about Jesus Christ. He's not God, but the Son of God. (Mark 1:1)
@@cbooth151
He is I Am Who Am The Word Made Flesh before the world was created. Jesus is God.
@@user-xv5sk6wi4w [Jesus] is I Am Who Am The Word Made Flesh before the world was created. Jesus is God."
At John 7:16, Jesus said: "What I teach is not my own teaching, but it comes from God, who sent me." So, if Jesus is God, why did God lie and say that his message was *NOT* his when it really _was_ his?
Luke 6:12 says: "At that time Jesus went up a hill to pray and spent the whole night there praying to God." So, if Jesus is God, who did God pray to all night? To himself?
Luke 3:21, 22 says: "While he was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit came down upon him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, “You are my own dear Son. I am pleased with you.” So, if Jesus is God, whose voice was heard from heaven saying that he was God's Father?
@@cbooth151
Jesus said the Father and I are one. Jesus is God has been taught and defended by the Church for 2000 years. The Catholic Church gave us the Bible as we know it today, in 397 AD. These are historical truths.
@@user-xv5sk6wi4w If you can't accept the Bible which say Jesus is the Son of God, there is nothing more for me to say.
Thank you for this video and I'm excited for future ones on JW theology!
Excellent explanation.
Jesus told Peter , Matthew 16: 13 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. So here is where it all started it is in this time where the true church was born not 2000 years later
@@mimamima2 that Rock was Jesus Christ
How is Arianism different from the JW belief?
They aren't different. Just rebranded lol. Reminds me of that 10-year-old video of St Patrick explaining the trinity. "Oh Patrick, that's Arianism!"
Mark 10
17. As Jesus started on His way, a man ran up and knelt before Him. “Good Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18. “Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.
Here are some quotes from the early church that may be helpful to JW’s coming across this video…
Ignatius (50-107AD) "By the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ our God…Once you took on new life through the blood of God...For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary...The ancient Kingdom was abolished when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life... glorify Jesus Christ, the God who made you so wise."
Polycarp (69-155AD) "To all those under heaven, who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father, who raised him from the dead."
Justin Martyr (100-165AD) "Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in
order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts...Deserving to be worshiped as God and as Christ."
Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202AD) "He is himself in his own right, beyond all men whoever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word...Christ Jesus is our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King...Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living."
-Clement of Alexandria (150-215AD) "This very Word has now appeared as man, He alone being both, both God and man...The Divine Word, He that is truly most manifest Deity, He that is made equal to the Lord of the universe."
Tertullian (150-225AD) "Christ is also God. This Christ is Spirit of Spirit and God of God...He is made a second in manner of existence-in position, not in nature...In His birth, God and man united."
Melito of Sardis (Died 180AD) "He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree-God put to death!..Because they slew God, who hung naked on the tree."
Hippolytus of Rome (170-235AD) "The Logos is God, being the substance of God...God the Word came down from heaven...He now, coming forth into the world, was manifested as God in a body, coming forth too as a perfect man."
Origen (185-254AD) "Jesus Christ became a man, and was incarnate although God, and while made a man remained the God which He was."
The date of St. Ignatius (of Antioch),cannot be dated after 107-110 AD, though. You made him 120 years old.
@@therealong Thank you for catching that. What was supposed to be 107 I typed 170. Made sure to correct that! 👍🏼
@@MapleBoarder78
My pleasure! 👍
@@MapleBoarder78They have a whole article about quote mining the early Church Fathers in favor of their demonic doctrines and they reinterpret quotes, it's sad
And JW's are not really interested in non-biblical quotes...as all you did was to quote NON scriptural people, most of which were around during the great apostasy which the apostle Paul warned us about, when Rome got involved and corrupted the church with pagan dogma, and set up the "church of Rome" which then became the Catholic church !
The best explanation I´ve ever herad, thank you so much! +
Thank you and have a wonderful Christmas 🎄.
As a JW myself, I'd like to point out that I appreciate Trent's humble way of pointing out what he understands, and how it differs from what he has come to firmly believe. I also found the beliefs/practices of JWs being properly represented here, without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
I'm not going to touch on the Trinity here, and why JWs hold that the Trinity doctrine is heresy from a biblical standpoint.
I wanted to touch on Trent's misunderstanding of JW's baptism ritual not being biblical. Jesus unmistakably said: "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18-20)
JW's "go therefore" from home to home to "make disciples of all nations", "teaching them to observe all that [Jesus] has commanded us". Part of the teaching is to use the Bible (any bible translation can be used) to find what the role of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit is. I quote from the NWT Study notes:
"'in the name of': The Greek term for “name” (oʹno·ma) can refer to more than a personal name. In this context, it involves recognition of authority and position of the Father and the Son as well as the role of the holy spirit. Such recognition results in a new relationship with God.-Compare study note on Mt 10:41.
'the Father . . . the Son . . . the holy spirit': Recognition of the Father, Jehovah God, is natural, since he is our Creator and Life-Giver. (Ps 36:7, 9; Re 4:11) However, the Bible also shows that no human can gain salvation without recognizing the role of the Son in God’s purpose. (Joh 14:6; Ac 4:12) It is also vital to recognize the role of God’s holy spirit because, among other things, God uses his active force to give life (Job 33:4), to inspire his message to humans (2Pe 1:21), and to empower them to do his will (Ro 15:19). Although some believe that this enumeration supports the Trinity doctrine, the Bible never indicates that the three are equal in eternity, power, and position. That they are mentioned together in the same verse does not prove that they share divinity, eternity, and equality.-Mr 13:32; Col 1:15; 1Ti 5:21."
Recognizing the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit in their respective roles in God's purpose and the believer's salvation is a pre-requisite for dedication and baptism to God from JWs point of view. Jesus didn't give a baptism formula to reiterate when conducting baptism in Matthew 28:19. Nowhere in the Bible is "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" reformulated when baptisms were conducted. Recognizing and having faith in the roles and persons behind those roles was what was important. That's one of the reasons why JWs don't do infant baptisms.
No
@@Anonymousduck161 - Yes
@@JUAN_OLIVIER go ahead and continue to use a purposely mis-translated KJV.
:@@Anonymousduck161 : All bibles reveal a translation bias.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq true, but the JW’s selectively insert words that don’t exist in the original texts. For example: John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
The JW’s “bible” says: “In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”
Selectively inserting or removing words changes the entire context of the verse and is meant to reinforce some guy’s personal theology. The JW’s are a cult that uses threats of shunning and restrictions on literature/ education to keep its members compliant.
Thou shalt not have any other Gods beside me.
Then God goes on to say something like: "Don't worship any other Gods, for I am a jealous God."
Therefore, what I get out of this is: majority of Christians are worshiping The Son, not God the Father; THEREFORE making God jealous.
Please don't slaughter me with replies. I'm reading the bible but I'm still at the Old Testament. We can discuss our views while maintaining respect for one another as the Scripture says: "Love thy neighbor as thyself".
hey dendroslime1155, I actually agree with you. I think the most concerning part of worshipping the Son AS GOD is that if He is not God, then those worshipping Him as God are breaking the first commandment pretty badly.
It is kind of a silly command to "not have any other Gods beside me" if there are no other Gods at all. And it is a pretty silly thing to call God "the Most High God" if there are no other Gods over which He is "the most high" one. His being the most high implies there are some who are not as high. But the Bible shows that God the Father is THE God, the Most High God, the one true God over all.
From the years I have spent looking into this, the small handful of times in the NT where Jesus is obliquely kinda referred to as theos (god in the Greek), is in this lesser "less high" sense. And the other handful of passages people point to....they are not reading what the words actually say.
Even Jesus tells the Jews in John 8:54 "...The One who glorifies Me is My Father, of whom you say ‘He is our God.’"
The God of the Jews, the God of the Old Testament is THE FATHER, and this is straight outta Jesus' mouth! The OT God is not the Trinity, it's not God the Son; rather, it's the Father! That is who we should be worshipping AS God.
@@maxspringer01 On paragraph two, there really are other gods out there such as money; it's referred somewhere in the new testament I think where "you cannot serve two masters". Money can be a "god" or "master" because we can see people actually serving and worshipping money.
I found an interesting youtuber which I forgot the channel name but he's a muslim and way smarter than me. His main point was "if Jesus is God The Father, why doesn't he know when the Revelation happens as said in (I forgot the book's chapter and verse but the verse goes something like 'as for the time, none but the Father knows')".
Where in the world did these people come up with things like "The Infinite made finite" et cetera when the bible literally said no such thing. They must have misunderstood Jesus' phrase "I and the Father are one" when that technically means "one at heart" because Jesus steps was ALWAYS in alignment with The Father's will and here we can say "Jesus serves the Most High God". Had he served money and hookers, he would be serving "The pathetic excuse for a god".
I am confident to say "I, dendro slime, am one at heart with The Father, not always, but only sometimes." In those 'sometimes' moment, I am one at heart with The Father.
As I like to say but never had the opportunity: "Religion and Faith are two different things."
Which part in the bible did it ever mentioned "Jesus Christ was christian", "... he was Jew", "I, Jesus Christ, am a Christian therefore you all must convert into Christians" or something along those lines? All he never shut up about was "do The Father's will", "... obey", "... surrender to His will". He never said "Jew is the one true religion" or catholic or christian. In some cases, people of different religion divides and ridicules other different religion. Had they followed The Father's will, then no division would happen because of Father's commandment: "Love others as thy neighbor" or "Treat others as how you treat yourself".
I got really sidetracked there and only noticed up to this point and I am making good statements I'd rather not erase hahaha.
Anyways, other gods do exist. A god is something or someone we serve, like a king. If we surrender to The Father's will, that makes us his slaves, if we surrender to money, we are slaves to it, controlled by it, our actions are for the sole pursuit of money whereas doing the will of The Father puts our actions in pursuit of The Father's acknowledgement. If we surrender to clitorises, then our actions are driven for the sole pursuit of said clitorises.
Right, surrender means to stop resisting. So if we stop resisting worldly temptations like clitorises, then it dominates our mind, controls it, enslaves it along with our actions, if we surrender to The Father, he dominates our mind and our actions would be in alignment of His will and be at one heart with The Father. One heart doesn't happen on two conflicting souls, they are divided.
I’ve looked all over, high and low, and I came back to the fullness of truth-The Catholic Church. 😊
You didn't look hard enough. The Catholic Church is a cesspool of lies.
NOBODY can be called a CHRISTIAN,,,,if he only belongs to a business church being established only by Pastors,,,,,,
They can if they received a valid Baptism, that’s the basis of our unity.
@@JGComments the LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST have entrusted His Sheeps and His Gospel and His Remnant Church to Apostle Peter and his Successors only,,,,,, and never,, never,, never to any Pastors
It would appear that those who profess and die in the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses are afforded the hope of salvation through invincible ignorance by the Catholic Church in Chapter II, On the People of God, Paragraph 16 of Lumen Gentium, Vatican Council II's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, solemnly promulgated by Pope Paul VI on Nov. 21, 1964, that includes the following passages:
"Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God ... But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator ... Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, (Cf. Acts 17:25-28) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. (Cf. 1 Tim. 2:4) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. (Mk. 4:14)"
Yes, but some people are wilfully blind. That won't save them or may impede their salvation.
I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness got out in 2002 and they baptized in the Father the Son and a member of Jehovah's Witnesses that's how they baptized
Are Catholics Christians? is the main question. I’d like to know how is catholic religion different in doctrine of inclusion of works or sometimes referred to as “participation” being part of the equation in salvation along with faith and grace. Any priest want to answer me? I’d greatly appreciate it.
True Christians they are, others are Fake
to whom are you speaking? If someone is not Catholic, who's fault is it? Using another person's belief as a platform is wrong. It's like Christ teaching on sitting at the head of the table... "Who is my neighbor?".
Great vid
Just a thought,
When Jesus said these words:
Matt5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you
Is there any room left for a follower of his to be part of any military? To fight in any war?
He said his followers would be easily identified by the love they show.
I understand basically all the churches signed up to the council of churches bless and engage in warfare.
Is that the Christian way do you think?
Warfare cannot be blessed. There’s also a reason why conscientious objectors on the grounds of religion have been exempt from service. Furthermore, in the case of compulsory service a follower of Christ wouldn’t have the full consent of will and wouldn’t be culpable.
Read Acts 10. The first Gentile to convert to Christianity was Cornelius. Cornelius was a centurion soldier. He was never asked to resign his position as a soldier in order to convert.
Also, you seem to misunderstand natural law. If we took the pagan pacifistic route that the Jehovah's Witnesses take, we would all be dead or Muslims. War is justified to a certain extent and the Catholic church has a doctrine called "Just war" where war is only justified via self-defense ONLY.
@TruLuan that is such an awesome account.
Peter learns that the following Christ has been opened up to everyone, like you mentioned, the gentiles..
Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Do you think Cornelius would have carried on as an officer?
If Jesus had clearly stated his followers must turn the other cheek, would leading an army be in harmony with that?
Peter knew that wouldn't be possible as we read his words later on
Byington1 Peter 3:9
not paying back hurt for hurt or abuse for abuse, but contrariwise blessing everybody; because this is what you were called for, that you might inherit a blessing.
Peter was told to go to Cornelius' house and he talked of the "good news of peace through Jesus", or KJV "preaching peace by Christ Jesus ".
Cornelius would have had to change to be, as peter had just said, 'in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him"
Surely war is not working righteousness?
@@MrMore470 I’m just curious, what’s your concern exactly? Initially it seemed like you were concerned with the spiritual welfare of the individual but now it seems as though you’re concerned with the concept of war generally.
I was interested in how a Christian was defined. Apparently, it is based on acceptance of the Nicene Creed. However, no information was provided on when this formula was introduced and what becomes of those who were Christians in earlier times before the Nicene creed was introduced.
The Evangelists proclaimed Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God. In the context of the first century, this seems to be a proclamation that Jesus is the promied messiah, who is one other than God to Jews. Likewise, being the Son of God may also maake him one other than God.
No scriptural evidence was provided to support the claim that God exists as three persons.
They also don't celebrate Christmas. 😞
Bible against it
Yeh because we don't do pagan. Come on please don't just follow blatantly pagan celebrations. Christmas is not for Christians.
@@nigelackroyd7991 Jehovah's Witnesses aren't Christian because you don't believe in the Trinity or divinity of Christ.
@@nigelackroyd7991 Christmas is for Christians.
I would really like to be explained : how does the Catholic Church relate to the baptism of Seventh-day Adventists? They do not believe that the three Hypostases are a single being, and also believe that the Father has a body.
Since they don’t have the same understanding of the Trinity, the baptisms are sometimes considered “doubtful”, but not necessarily invalid. They key thing is that a person entering the Catholic Church must have the same belief that the Church does.
This sounds like a cultist view from Trinitarians that one must believe in their trinitarianism to be Christian. The divinity of Jesus is clearly debatable if you only use the Bible as the only authority on Christianity. These creeds that were later made is the same as the Pharisees making up their own rules and traditions to follow. The fact is the only reason why the Trinitarian believe is so wide spread in Christianity today is because it was enforced by the sword.
Also JW do pray to Jesus. On their website they state one must pray though Jesus to pray to God.
From their website:
“We must pray to God in Jesus’ name because this is the only way God has approved for us to approach Him. Jesus said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.””
I’m a j dub and have never been taught what your saying, is their a way you could send me links to back up your thoughts
Let's see if I can comprehend this.
People who belong to different churches believing anything they fancy, joining armies and killing each other are Christians?
JWs who abide by 1 Corinthians 1:10 and who will not lift a hand against another human (Micah 4;3) and who are fulfilling Jesus' command at Matthew 24:14 are not Christians?
Guess the term Christian doesn't mean what it did back in the first Century.
Jesus did say his followers would be hated. So it is not surprising. It also says the world loves what is it's own.
"Guess the term Christian doesn't mean what it did back in the first Century."
Are you sure?
@@Pj-fm7oe 99% of people don't care about the JWs.
@@misterauctor7353
Oh and you are an expert on the feelings of all mankind?
@@Pj-fm7oe Most people don't care about your cult.
No, neither are Mormons, SDA, Bethal and non-denominational
Good info. Can you do a similar video on the FILIOQUE. FROM THE CATHOLIC AND ORTHADOX perspective and how they disagree. Thank you. 🍷🍞📖📿🕊🫶🏻✝️⛪️
When is says, "the god of Christianity is" right after talking about the Nicene Creed (325) would have one believe the early Christians did not exist.
As a matter of fact, JW has more in common with Islam than Christianity
Traditional Catholics have good scriptual reasons for believing the way they do. However JWs can appeal to liberal,modernist catholic sources to justify some of their beliefs. Alfred Firmin Loisy probably didnt believe Jesus was God Almighty either.
@WeaponofChoice-hx2hn Modernist,liberal Catholics question Everything. They would say Jesus began as a man but evolved into God of Christianity
Jesus, God's "Son", is the Firstborn of all 'CREATION" Col 1:15. God said "This is my SON, the beloved whom I have approved." Luke 9:35 Jesus prayed to "OUR Father." Mt 6:9 Jesus now sits at his Father's right hand, waiting for His enemies to be placed at His feet. Mt 22:44 Jesus will rule for "1,000 years" Rev 20:4-6 After doing away with Satan and his minions, " Then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." 1 Cor 15:28 That's very clear unless you are relying on Eisegesis, "drawing in" your own subjective interpretations into the text, unsupported by the text itself."
The approach method amd questions asked by JW when face someone are like the encounter of Our Lord Jesus Christ with the devil/satan after His 40 days fasting at the desert.
Imagine them existing in the first 5 centuries and not being labeled as a heretic group by the early church.😂 The variations of protestants have muddied the waters up so much that this question is actually worth asking today. Another question is... whats the mininum standard to be considered christian? What about mormons, amish, 7th day adventists, or even Messianic Jews? The fringes of christianity are super interesting to me.... like who decides the edges?
As catholics or other ancient churches its a little easier to say who is a heretic in the classic sense of the word. The big question is, can protestants call them heretics? Typically they use the trinity as their line in the sand but many many protestants dont accept the trinity but do accept sola scriptura. Looking at you oneness pentacostals! I just think if im a protestant what right do i have to call anyone a heretic if not by direct quote from scripture? I think its because deep down every protestant knows.. the other guy guy could just reject his interpretation.
Here’s my reply to someone else’s comment that you may find interesting. The topic was similar :
I would say that it isn’t necessarily understood to be the belief in a triune God that makes the Christian, because Oneness Pentecostals and other modalists exist and are understood to be Christians.
The biggest link between Christians is the idea that Jesus is in some form literally God. Since there has to be boundaries for any idea to remain coherent, it doesn’t seem arbitrary to make that a cutting off point, especially when the vast majority of those that would call themselves Christians agree that that is the right understanding of the religion.
In fact there are other things that Christians are rigorous about, which is essentially where Catholics can begin to derive the ideas of mortal sin, excommunications, and anathemas. Protestant Christians typically don’t have the same theology and ecclesiology but may remove someone (lay person or pastor) from the church, say that an individual must never have been saved for going against some doctrine, kick out churches from being under a member group for wrong doctrine.
@@tylerf3369, makes sense.🎉
Define "heretic". This will be interesting
@@eve3363 Heresy is defined by the Catholic Church as "the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith".[1] The term heresy connotes both the belief in itself, and the attitude towards said belief.[2]
Using their definition, I agree that Jehovah witnesses are not baptized properly. But using the same definition can be used against Christ himself. So he himself was not baptized properly using the Catholic definition. My name is Roberto and I’m your old school inside critic and skeptic. I have been given a talent, the talent to reason beyond what is natural. Praise be to Jehovah Almighty, who gave it to me and you should all know your unreasonable statements.
My wife was a Catholic and became a JW she says is was the best thing she ever did.
I'm very sorry. I pray she reads the words of God and comes to faith🙏
She has taken God's command seriously. The command to get out of all religion before God ends them. Revelation 18:4.
And the invitation to join True Worship in these last days as extended at Micah 4:2.
@@jimjuri6490 James 1:27 KJV - Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Ezekiel 14:20 KJV - Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.
2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV - For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.John 6:53 KJV - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
@@greenline5351 : (James 1:27) The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to LOOK AFTER orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.
Not sure if there was a question in the scripture quotes. Please enlighten me.
@@jimjuri6490 nope no questions, salvation is personal. Just praying people leaning on others to save them will turn to Christ. 🙏🙌👍
Simple amsewer, no! They dont believe in the triune god..
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my the only reason the Arians faded was because the pagan Romans got involved. The Arian bishops were exiled in a purely political move by a pagan nation.
@@nigelackroyd7991These people don't care about God and Christ. They care about man.
My big issue with Jehovah's Witnesses is that they are boring. I mean really boring. Any organization that doesn't want you to be exposed to ideas outside of their own worldview is dull dull dull. Catholicism is A LOT more fun!
Just remember that it was the Catholic Church that invented BINGO.
@@georgepierson4920 Right on!
Of course it's a lot more fun because anything goes, I'd love to be a Catholic. My wife used to be a Catholic, she smoked, swore, drank to excess, and was a fornicating, pagan holiday celebrating idolater like most of the other folk at her church. She got zero spiritual food and understanding of god's word she was spiritually dead. She said she learned more about the bible in a week studying with the witnesses than she did all her life as a Catholic. Our neighbour is a Catholic he has a picture of the pope in his window facing out so that everyone can see, he's also a raging alcoholic that regularly throws his used vodka bottles about and rides his scooter into ditches under the influence.
Knowing the truth is never boring, you get hated by everyone constantly, as most prefer the lie. Really keeps you on your toes.
@@Pj-fm7oe "The truth" is a phrase Witnesses like to use, so I am assuming you're a Witness. If you're here watching videos like this, eventually you'll leave them too. And also, very few people hate Witnesses. Most people don't even know they exist.
No one is greater than the father, and no prayers can be heard or answered directly without going through Jesus, the JW'S understand this more than most. I believe that humans are so below the requirements of divinity that Jesus acts as a mediator to make entreaty on our behalfs. Not recognising Jesus ransom sacrifice would mean no prayers would be heard.
I'm a proud ex-Catholic.
😅😅
We can choose truth or follow our own way as Adam did can't we?
Then you never had it properly to start with, because when you truly grasp your Catholic faith, you do not walk away from it. I don't know you, but I've already prayed for you, because God loves you. I'm praying that God moves you back home to be a Catholic revert. There's no substitute. The fullness of the Catholic faith.
Prides goes before the fall young man, think about it. That's not something of which to be proud. It points to a lack of understanding of your own faith and a prideful existence where your life is now in essence an ego drama.
I'm not a Jw but I do think you are wrong about JW. JW teach the way of Jesus which is Love..
I believe that only the Father is God and that Jesus is God’s Son. 1 Corinthians 8:6 states, “For us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” Only the Father is referred to as Almighty God in the Bible and he is identified by the name Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18) God is the one who raised Jesus from the dead, exalted him, and made him Lord (Acts 2:32-36), giving him all authority in heaven and on earth. (Matthew 28:18) When Jesus asked Peter in Matthew 16:15, “Who do you say I am?”, Peter correctly answered in verse 16: “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” There are no scriptures in the Bible that say that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all coequal, coeternal and all are of the same substance and that all three make up one God. Jesus cannot be coeternal with God because according to Psalm 90:2, God is “from everlasting to everlasting”, whereas Jesus is called “the firstborn of all creation” (Colossians 1:15) and “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Revelation 3:12)
I see you quote many scriptures... in stark contrast to this video.
I lost interest at "father so and so says..."
Matt23:8 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Quite clear. A "Christian" is a follower of Christ. A follower of Christ listens to him and obeys his commands... including the great commision. Matt24:14, 28:19,20.
The holy spirit is the Father. Isa 11:1A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The SPIRIT OF THE LORD (possessive form) will rest on him-. The baptism of Jesus. Isa 42:“Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT ON HIM, and he will bring justice to the nations. Let go to baptism of Jesus. Mat 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the SPIRIT OF GOD (the same in Isaiah) descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” Luke 3:22 and the HOLY SPIRIT descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” Were they saying two different spirt? Of course not. Let Jesus tell us who is in him. John 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the FATHER IS IN ME? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the FATHER LIVING IN ME who is doing his work.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one. What happened to the third person that you are saying? If it's God is it not worth mentioning? And more. Notice Paul, he never mentioned the holy spirit in his greetings through out his Epistles. Why? Because the holy spirit is the Father in fullness or measured (Col 1:19). Holy spirit is the mind of God in which God ways of teaching us. The holy spirit of God is the one talking and doing in all of the scripture, Prophets or otherwise (Numbers 29:11, John12:49-50, 2 Pet 1:21). Notice holy spirit is quantifiable? Because it is the mind of God and he gives according to his purpose. John 15:2 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you FROM THE FATHER-the Spirit of truth WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER he will testify about me. Do you understand English? God has no origin or that it belongs to someone. God self exist, no beginning nor end, indivisible and immovable. Holy spirit moves around and divisible (measured). For it is the mind of God, wherever the holy spirit is God is there. That is why God can be in hell and not in hell at the same time. He is in hell by his omnipresence but spiritually absent meaning not mindful. God is omnipresent but He only fellowship with believers and that is done through the holy spirit presence in them. He is everywhere but not with the unbelievers for his holy spirit is absent in them.
"... cannot be a Christian without a valid baptism."
I have no specific issue with baptism; I am not learned on Christian theology; I am aware that people reference specific Biblical passages for defending the "necessity" of baptism* (my edit: adding "baptism") for the Christian faith.
Tell me about the thief on the cross. When was he baptized? When did he do "good works prepared for him" after he accepted Jesus? Not all of us (if any) will be as the thief on the cross who entered heaven with Jesus, but I am constantly baffled that man tells man, "You can't be Christian unless X, Y, and Z," when those conditions may not be present in the teachings of Jesus - the one whom we follow and so call ourselves Christian.
Jesus did not promise the thief heaven. He said he would be with him in paradise. The resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous (Acts 24:15) will be to paradise earth (Psalms 37:11), with Jesus ruling as king. The man was surely in the unrighteous category, but Jesus comforted him, assuring him that he would be back.
They love to harp on Witnesses but we can actually answer Bible questions. Hope this helps answer your question.
YAHWEH IS ONE. HAS THREE PERSONS.
FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT
MAY THE GRACE OF THE 🔥 FLAME
OF ❤ LOVE OF THE IMMACULATE ❤
OF MARY BE SPREAD TO AO ALL
HUMANITY. A.M. D. G.
FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD
This is a lie Jehovah witness is right
: Yahweh is one (Deut 6 :4). Can't find a verse that says Yahweh is three persons.
@@Lsmoove21 How?
A person called another Satan for doing evil thing or as joke. I never heard anyone called some one son of Satan. God called gods those who has his spirit like prophet. If god call some one is god. Is god a lier? God himself called you all are gods. When single person look at it . God call him/her god. What sense Jewish people or those day they are using name is question?
Since Satan is used as name what is name used for god. I am that I am.
Highly insane theory. Insane people only get this kind of revelations.
well, this is a little complicated, but jehovah isnt God. some of jehovah witness is calling God as jehovah, but personally I think this is wrong. they should call God as jehovah God, not jehovah
I'd one doesn't profess the Nicene creed, one isn't Christian.
Very clear explanation!
SUPPOSEDLY JW’S LOVE FAMILY❗️
THEY RUN AWAY WHEN ONE PRAYS
THE ROSARY. BUT, WILL ACCEPT
CHRISTMAS 🎁 💝 GIFTS
Catholics believe in multiple gods
That's incorrect but you're allowed to be wrong.
Read the Bible book of Genesis Chapter 18 and see by yourself how Heavenly God appeared to Abraham as one God in Three persons.
Yes, please read Genesis Chapter 19 also, and you'll quickly see that the three persons were in fact God's angels (God's messengers speaking/acting in His behalf).
@@GsWitness
Trinity of God in human bodies and in angles. Are you there? Thank you Jesus Christ our LORD for giving us The Holy Spirit who lives witin us and helps us to understand your Words, ooh Heavely God!!!
@@wamisangi2801 Erh, I don't see it! The passage informs us that three "men" (enosh) appeared to Abraham (18:2; cf. 18:16,22). Since God is not a man (Numbers 23:19), this may also be the reason that some Trinitarians conveniently prefer to identify these three men as three "visitors." The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, was not three men.
The account does not say Abraham saw Yahweh/God and two men. It says three men appeared to him. Hence, we should not suppose that two of the visitors belonged to one category of being but the third visitor belonged to another category. All three visitors are categorized in the same manner: "men". It is also normal in the Scriptures to identify heavenly angels as "men." It was not normal to describe God as a man.
The three persons/hypostases of Trinitarian doctrine are not angels. It is therefore quite impossible to claim these three men visiting Abraham are the three persons of Trinity doctrine. Moreover, this claim has absurd implications. It would also mean the 3rd person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, ate beef prepared by Abraham and Sarah, and they had indeed seen God when Scripture declares no one ever has seen, or can see, the invisible God (see 1 Timothy 6:16).
Fr. Gabriele Amorth once said that during an exorcism the devil told him jw are his beloved sons.
Check a caller question about exorcism on Catholic Answer Live forum from yesterday. You'll understand why you cannot use your assertion as an argument.
demons are untrustworthy by definition
@@Qwerty-jy9mj In Luke 6 43 45 Jesus speaks about The Tree and its fruits. The fruits of jw are lies, abuses, divisions, it seems preatty demonio to me.
@@johnxland9373
If a demon tells you anything, you can't use it as if it were a pagan oracle
@@Qwerty-jy9mj Were they telling lies when states the divinity of Jesus? God can force them to tell the Truth even if tt hurts them. Just look at the fruits of jw"s works it's all bad it doesn't come from God.
You can’t call out JW Baptism form while removing the Almighty’s name from worship 🤦🏼♂️
No
As a JW, we are Christians. Acts 11:26 says that the followers of Christ were by “divine providence” called Christians! Christians are disciples of followers, of Jesus Christ. As he said at John 8:31: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples.”
Christians must obey Jesus’ teachings and they base their beliefs on the Bible! (Luke 24:27) And they must preach the good news of the Kingdom which is a command-It’s not an option for Christians. (Matthew 28:19,20)
The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament.” It also admits: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century [hundreds of years after Jesus and his apostles were on earth]. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”
The Bible gives the name of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ, yet nowhere does it name the holy spirit. God will “pour out” his holy spirit on those who ask for it. So is it really a person since your can’t pour a person on anyone can you?
Being a Christian doesn’t begin and end at following the teachings of Jesus. Even the atheists and the spiritual but not religious do that.
This New Catholic Encyclopedia “quote” is actually a quote from the Watchtower propaganda magazine that the so called “Jehovahs Witnesses” put out.
Philippians 2:17 - Paul speaks of himself as poured out as a libation. It’s called a figure of speech, the Bible is literally full of them.
Try reading a different Bible
1.The Trinity was not taught in the OT because the fullness of time had not yet been revealed by God, 2."divine providence?" Followers of Christ Preached the good news in Acts, which was precisely jesus rose from the dead and so can you if you believe in him. You are correct on the establishment of the word "Trinity" was not used on till 300 + . There was different thoughts about Jesus. the three main thoughts were, Jesus was fully God, not human at at. jesus was fully human and not God at all, Some had jesus as half man and half God.. The correct description is Jesus as the complete being of human nature and the fullness of Deity and neither competes with the other. Your thoughts about the early Church Father is way wrong. I don't know how long you have been a JW, but in 1990 they put out a full watchtower magazine titled, " Should You believe in the Trinity. In this magazine they wrote all kinds of deliberate misquotes from various early church fathers, the catholic Encyclopedia and other sources claiming No trinity no deity in Jesus etc. Here is my advise Check the sources directly yourself. The Watchtower is so weak they step on the catholic church ( often falsely) to elevate themselves. Their Sunday so called worship is really about practicing their sales pitches.
You shouldn't be here. I'm going to tell your kingdom hall elder that controls your freedom.
The hypocrisy! 😂😂
You said "As a JW, we are Christians", so I will ask you this,
Is Christ your "Mediator"??
Jesus whispered the truth his true followers, saying, " Fear Jehovah, theres no other God apart from him, he will put to death and make alive," So, Peter shouted, @Acts, 5:28-31, Jehovah ressurrects Jesus, and exalted him as chief angel, "while todays selfclaimed christians still keep on barking this Jesus lie to them,"Destroy this temple ,and I will raise it in three days,"
As a former Roman Catholic (now a mere Christian, attending an ACNA Anglican parish) I can vouch that nearly all protestant Christians agree with the catholic (universal) belief in the Holy Trinity. The list of scripture verses which show the Godhood of Jesus are numerous, and I am about to present many of them to a dissenter in this comment thread, so if you wish to know how to refute JWs from Holy Scripture, please check out my comment below. (Note, the JWs use a corrupt Bible version called "New World Translation" which changes the language of John 1 to fit their false theology, so quoting John 1 to a JW is, regrettably, not effective.)
Why did you leave the Roman Catholic church may i ask?
Are you aware that the church you now attending was founded by men ? The Roman Catholic church is the original church founded by Jesus himself. Jesus is the head and we are the body. One mediator one church. It is only through the apostolic succession can a true priest with the authority to make the offering of bread and wine to Jesus the high priest to have them transformed into the spiritual, divinity, flesh and blood of jesus to transform the receiver who also has to be catholic, + to mediate forgiveness of our sins by Jesus. Come back home
@@johnpaul-mp7zc The RCC never taught me the Biblical means of salvation. As a RC, I believed that being a RC in good standing and a recipient of RC Sacraments was the necessary instrumentality through which I might be eligible to receive eternal life. Even then, eternal life still hinged upon my "perfect contrition" for my sins and performance of acts of penance, as well as my ability to avoid dying with an unconfessed mortal sin (such as willfully missing Mass one holy day of obligation for example) on my conscience. And even after all that, I most likely would have an eon of suffering in Purgatory to look forward to before I were fully infused with righteousness.
The RCC also failed to prepare me for an event that happened when I was 18 years old. Keep in mind that I was confirmed (maybe around 11 years old?) and my mother took me to catechism classes religiously. So I wasn't ignorant of Catholic doctrine. But when I was 18, I came to a full realization that God is real, I placed all my trust in Jesus for my salvation, and prayed to God simply to keep me safe & to fill me with His Spirit. I didn't expect to feel any different after praying; I'd prayed plenty of times to God before this; but at that moment *I KNEW* that God had moved into me. I felt *clean* on the inside like never before, and I could "hear" God communicating to me in thought-pictures that came so rapidly I could barely keep up.
I couldn't tell anyone about this for months afterward. I thought I was some sort of freak. I thought, why would the Almighty Creator lower Himself to talk to a lowly sinner like me?
The Holy Spirit immediately began showing me His will that I find a different church that would teach me more thoroughly from the Bible. But as a cradle Catholic, with all my relatives being RC, and knowing the RC doctrine that I'd be damned if I left the RCC, *for 8 years I resisted the Holy Spirit.* But eventually God brought my wife and me across the path of some of her relatives who'd left the RCC for a protestant church, and it was a 'divine appointment' 6 hours from our home (4 hours from theirs). They talked about God as if He were their best friend, and they obviously talked *to* God matter-of-factly (no fancy pre-printed prayers) all the time. This was just what we needed to hear.
That was decades ago. Now I've learned (in protestant churches and on Christian tv programs, and through reading the Bible repeatedly) how to be led by the Spirit of God (something the RCC never taught me), and He has led me to an ACNA Anglican parish. But I find my identity in Jesus Christ alone, for my faith is not in a church but in Jesus.
@@johnpaul-mp7zc The church was founded by Jesus Christ, upon Jesus Christ and the truth of who He is: God the Son and Savior from sin. The denominational sign over the doorway matters little; what matters is, does the pastor or priest teach the true Gospel of Jesus Christ? That Gospel is as follows:
Rom 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one."
Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."
James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
Rom 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Observe that every human being is rotten to the core and has earned the death penalty (eternal separation from God). Our own attempts at righteousness, done in our own strength, are like filthy rags in God's eyes (Isaiah 64:6 says, "we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.")
But God loves us so much, He sent Jesus to take our penalty for us. The Father imputed our sins to the Son, so He could impute His righteousness to every one who would trust in the completed atoning work of Christ on the cross. We are justified (made right with God) freely by His grace (undeserved favor):
Rom 3:24-26 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." See also the 4th Chapter of Romans, which says that God imputes (accounts) righteousness to sinners through the instrumentality of faith.
Eph 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Look, you believe in the doctrine of Original Sin, don't you? The doctrine says that the sin of Adam is imputed to every human infant descended from Adam, even though that infant has not committed any sin on his own. Jesus is called the "last Adam" in 1 Cor. 15:45, for even though Jesus was perfectly righteous and without sin, the Father (in His mercy) imputed your sins and mine to Jesus' account as He hung on the cross. Jesus thus atoned for our sins and redeemed us from them. *This is the divine exchange: because our sins were imputed to Christ, Christ's righteousness can be imputed to us, if we believe.* Even though we don't deserve it, we cannot earn it, and we will never be righteous in and of ourselves, God will tally HIS righteousness to our own account and will view us *as if* we were sinless.
Romans 4:3-- Abraham had righteousness counted (imputed) to him before he was circumcised.
Rom 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, but *believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted* (imputed) for righteousness."
Rom 4:24-25 "But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed," -if we are baptized- ... oops, it says, "if we *believe* on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification."
From age 11 to 18 i would say you maturity level wasn't a good meter for how well the catholic church has raised you my friend. My story is i was raised catholic as you but my mother died when was 9 years old ( almost 10) and things went down hill from there, Drugs and falling out of religion all together. Later i listened to the call to come back when i had a vision of Jesus next to me as i was running through the park twice jesus appeared to me within five minutes. I was praying and it wasn't as you claim the catholics only have one way of prayer. Actually containplation is highly recommend for personal prayer by the Church ) pick up a Catechism book and read the 4th pillar on prayer. or better yet follow Fr Mike Schmidt Catechism in a year on you tube. But back to my encounter with Jesus. my prayer was simply Help me dear God over and over. I started reading Joyce meyers 365 day daily devotions and she really helped connect with me. Then i started in with Joel Olseen. I really like his motivation. But both worn thin before long. One night jesus spoke to me again and said, " don't you miss the psalms being song at mass? I remember walking up tithe side door that Saturday night to enter back into the catholic church and Satan once again tried to lead me away from the one holy catholic church of Jesus Christ, by putting fear into of embarrassment of being called out by someone who might recognize me. But just as quick Jesus said to me You ae coming to see me, begone satan. it was a beginning of rebirth and i sence then have become a regular Weekly mass/ sacraments receiver. my life has improved, less anxiety, less anger, less pride, less envy and so on. The Church is Jesus house. Your mouth more mature now and you should come home and i bet you will see things much clearer.@@rexlion4510
You haven't got your facts right, the JW'S never directly pray to Jehovah, they always pray through Jesus Christ. That's the proper heavenly order of giving a prayer.
No and like Muslims DO NOT worship the same God.
I'm a Jehovah's Witness, ask me anything
Where did you get the NWT from?
@@jfgskaintayo8167 my dad
@@JasonJacksonJames ? Who formed the NWT
@jfgskaintayo8167
It was translated by a committee
@@JasonJacksonJames where dis the committee got it
In the Name of Jesus, every knee will bend. So what Name did Jesus say to make Disciples in. Did Jesus say in the Name of Jesus or In the Name of the Father. What is the Father's name! YHVH YEHOVAH JEHOVAH! Matthew 28:8 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Isaiah 45:23 By myself I have sworn; The word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, And it will not return: To me every knee will bend, Every tongue will swear loyalty 24 And say, ‘Surely in Jehovah are true righteousness and strength. All those enraged against him will come before him in shame.
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BTW All will bend their knees to Jesus TO THE GLORY OF GOD. (Phil 2:9-11)
This is a future action. Not anything to do with Jesus' command to make disciples. Disciples logically cannot be worshipers.
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What I have noticed is some of my comments do not show up. My activity will show it is there. But if I go to video and go to comments, I don't see it.
Have you experienced this!
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No they aren’t. But neither is Roman Catholicism
That extends to Eastern Orthodox Christianity as well then.
Does a Witness consider himself Christian? Or something else?
They do not recognize Christ as divine, so would never worship Christ as being God. They would never be Christian as they would see it as a blasphemy.
I grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness. We considered ourselves the only true “Christians”. All other denominations are seen as being part of false Christianity known as “Christendom”.
They don't like to be called Christians.
They're a cult group that follows a governing body con artists that uses the Bible as an object to get money for their business, just like a pimp uses a woman for money.
@@Davidjune1970 "They do not recognize Christ as divine, so would never worship Christ as being God."
JWs do recognize Jesus as being divine. We also know that Jesus is not God, but God's only-begotten Son. (John 3:16) We also know that Jesus taught his followers to worship his Father just as he and the rest of the Jewish nation did. As Jesus said to the Samaritan woman: "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know; for salvation comes from the Jews. But the hour is coming -- indeed is already here -- when true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth: that is the kind of worshipper the Father seeks." (John 4:22, 23)
Those, like you, who have a twisted view of God and the Son of God are the ones who are not Christians.
@@cbooth151 polytheism is not biblical. For Christianity you cannot have many divine Gods.
You can word salad it all you want but divine means God like. And the bible is very clear there is only one God.
No, JW’s are not Christians
Nicene creed is not true and made up by corrupt priest. Listen to what the bible said. 1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, THE MAN Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.The holy spirit is the Father himself. Let's begin: Remember the story of Joseph and the Pharaoh> Gen 41:39 Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, “Since God has made all this known to you, there is no one so discerning and wise as you. 40 You shall be in charge of my palace, and all my people are to submit to your orders. ONLY WITH RESPECT TO THE THRONE WILL I BE GREATER THAN YOU.” 41 So Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I HEREBY PUT YOU IN CHARGE of the whole land of Egypt.” 42 Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his finger and put it on Joseph’s finger. He dressed him in robes of fine linen and put a gold chain around his neck. 43 He had him ride in a chariot as his second-in-command,[b] and people shouted before him, “Make way[c]!” Thus he put him in charge of the whole land of Egypt. 44 Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I am Pharaoh, but without your word no one will lift hand or foot in all Egypt.” 45 Pharaoh gave Joseph the name Zaphenath-Paneah and gave him Asenath daughter of Potiphera, priest of On,[d] to be his wife. And Joseph went throughout the land of Egypt. Jesus had a similar story.
1 Cor 15:24 Then, the end will come, when HE HAND THE KINGDOM TO GOD THE FATHER after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 FOR HE MUST REIGN UNTIL he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the SON HIMSELF WILL BE MADE SUBJECT to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. Jesus is not a true God but only God by exaltation (appointment). Phil 2:9Therefore God EXALTED him to the highest place and GAVE HIM NAME THAT IS ABOVE EVERY NAMES
10 that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Jesus abideth in the word and he can ask anything and it will be given yet he did not and went on to obey the Father (Heb5:7-9)and die on the cross (Mat 26:39b). This was prophesy a long time before the cross, Dan 7:13“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 HE WAS GIVEN authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. And in Mat 28:18, John 17:1-5 same granted authority. Jesus is not a true God but by virtue of a decree (exaltation) by God. And Jesus reign will end when the last enemy of God, which is death has been defeated. You speaking agains the truth, I'll pray for you.
Jehovahs witness baptize in the name o f the single savior Jesus christ. It was christ who died for remission of sins. Not a trinity.
The scripture promoting baptism by the Father son and holy spirit has been proven to be an alteration done at the time of the
Nicenian creed and the Catholic Church over 300 years after christ death.
ake Trinity Verse
BY DISCOVER THE TRUTH on MARCH 15, 2017 • ( 31 )
Kaleef K. Karim
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) 1 Timothy 3: 16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Although the above verse reads as “God was manifest in flesh”, majority of trinitarian Bible translations, read it as: “He was manifest in flesh.” A lot of Scholars agree that the word “God” was not in the original text, but was added by later scribes. The earliest and best manuscripts does not have the word “God” in it but rather “He”, “who” or “which.” Furthermore, even modern (Trinitarian) Bible translations disagree with the KJV and few other translations, for putting the word “God” in 1 Timothy 3: 16. Let’s now show what the other Bible Translations put for 1 Timothy 3:16,
1. American Standard Version 1901
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; HE who was manifested in the flesh.
2. Common English Bible
Without question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE was revealed as a human.
3. Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
Great beyond all question is the formerly hidden truth underlying our faith: HE was manifested physically and proved righteous spiritually
4. Douay-Rheims 1899
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, WHICH was manifested in the flesh,
Isn't that scripture till in the JW bible. Go therefore and baptize them in the name of father son and spirit? They haven't removed that yet... Have they?
Would Jehovah witness be considered as worshipping the same God as us?
It's the incorrect understanding of who God is at the bottom here. God is always ONE and the same.
No, they worship an invented God, therefore they are Idol worshippers, which is ironic considering they think Catholics worship Idols. They will not pray with you.
@@TruLuan
But by your logic, also Jews out of their Torah would reason that the Catholics worship idols too! And that's why Protestants do the same. Can one reason in that way today?
Yes I was more curious if the Catholic Church affirms they worship the same god with an incorrect understanding just trying to understand it in the context that catholic dogma states muslims worship the same god as Catholics(not that they are saved or worshipping him correctly but that it is the same god in some sense)
Not necessarily. Catholics are fulfilled, Jews. We worship the same God but we as Catholics accept his divine human nature Jesus Christ who existed. Whether Jews accept Christ as the messiah or not doesn't mean we worship a different God. And by God I mean God the Father, YHWH (I Am).@@therealong
when you say it out loud, it does all sounds rather ridiculous.
Jehovah's Witnesses are definitely not Christian. In order to be Christian yes, you need to be baptized, but more importantly, you must believe in the Holy Trinity.
False Christians believe in the Trinity
JW's do get baptised but only when we can understand and make our own choice in an informed decision a bit like Jesus!!! We don't sprinkle a babies head like Catholics do. That's part of being a Christian!!!
@@Lsmoove21 True Christians believe in the trinity.
@@nigelackroyd7991 "JW's do get baptised but only when we can understand and make our own choice in an informed decision a bit like Jesus!!! "
You baptise children in your cult.
@@misterauctor7353 i didn't use any cuss words or profanity and he deleted my comments many times so that's telling u something right there . Jw's got the truth . And even in the Bible god calls his true followers witnesses not Christians and I didn't tell one lie just now
No they are not.
@@elwynnforest1452 What is your source for that claim?
@@elwynnforest1452 Chapter and verse
@@elwynnforest1452 Don't run, give me the exact chapter and verse which says that if you believe that Jesus is God's Son and raised from the dead you are a Christian. CHAPTER AND VERSE
@@elwynnforest1452 Ok, riddle me this, you son of Satan, what does it mean "Son of God"? What does that mean? Is that just an empty label or does it have actual meaning behind it?
@@elwynnforest1452 Stop tap-dancing like your father Satan loves to do. Answer. What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of God?
Aren't JWs modern Arians?
Yeap! And Arian is consider a saint!
@@user-jo6fm3vn4e Where?
Im a jw and we do consider ourselves Christians. We simply disagree on certain doctrine. Although we do baptize in the name of the father son and holy Spirit. I think it is a shame to say any dedication to god is invalid. In a lot of ways baptism for us starts long before the physical ceremony.
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my we know about arius. No silence. We simply agree. We believe our faith starts with Jesus. I wouldn't say that's man made
You disagree on the main doctrine about Jesus and your baptism is not as simple as you stated above, (which is misleading to unbeknown readers) Satan is the Father of Lies the most deadly sin
You don't even use the word Holy Spirit. I've read your adulterated book you call a bible and you know what you use in place of it. be gone satan
@@johnpaul-mp7zc I mean it's not like I went through the whole baptism process. It's never as simple as just dunk in water. A lot goes into baptism. And yes we are both disagreeing on the main doctrine. That's what it means to disagree. Just because we are both unsure of something doesn't make one of us bad
You have a different Jesus, to you Jesus is Michael the archangel. That's complete craziness! Even the watchtower society tries to hide that weird belief! The watchtower society has misled you with lies and false prophecies.
Charles taze Russell believed in pyramidology and gave false prophecies of the end of this world.
I am a Jehovah Witness. I need to say, I differ with you trinitarianism. I appreciate your seriousness in the video. Though, nowhere in the Bible, is mandatory to believe in the trinity. Such teaching does not exist. For instance, a former Catholic, that wanted to convert to JWs, would to be re-baptized, since, the Catholic baptism is invalid.
What about Matthew 28:19? "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"
@alemartinezrojas5285
The seriousness in the video, is just "a little drop" in an ocean of serious literature that for years has disproved JWs founders' lack of seriousness, briefly summarized in all the empty claims "you" just made in your comment.
Who is really open-minded to the TRUTH doesn't make ignorant comments but searches further to understand.
Merry Christmas! = celebrating and praising the MYSTERY and birth of the incarnated WORD of GOD Jesus Christ, GOD(1) the Father's begotten SON(2), by the HOLY SPIRIT(3) through the Blessed Virgin Mary (that's why Mother of God), well now 2000 and counting years ago.
Pax Christi
@@ainako1010what about Matt 28??? Are you suggesting because the Father, Son and Holy spirit are mentioned in the same Vs that somehow proves the Trinity???
@@ainako1010and if so why do you splash babies when the admonission is to make disciples, how can a baby possibly make an informed decision, can u give me one scriptural instance where infant baptism is carried out???
I used to think similar to JWs and can say it kept me from the true faith for some time
Jehovah's Witness is a cult but, your teachings are equally questionable as well.
Jehovah's Witness believes Jehovah is all mighty God. They believe Jesus died for our sins and was resurrected not to his original body but as a Spirit with the full power from the permission of Jehovah to be our Judge when he returns on Armageddon. To deny Christ will lead to no salvation because he has the power of judgment because all mighty God.
They don't think Jesus is God.
Psalm 110:1 “Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”. Why is God talking to himself like that if that's the case? Jesus is to sit at God the Father’s right hand until his enemies are made a footstool for his feet.
Revelation 5:6 “Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.”
Again, The Lamb who looked to be slain is Jesus “standing” not sitting in the center of the throne. Who did the lamb take the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne?
Matthew 4:1-11 NIV
Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “ ‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’” Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’” Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
The devil can't trick God and why does he go after man? He’s trying to hurt God. That's why he tricks Eve instead of God. This is why he's trying to trick Jesus and not God himself. We are putting a limit on God's power thinking God had to come here as a human to save us. Jesus was put to the test and passed when he died. God tests us and not the other way around. Through Jesus becoming Christ after the resurrection, our Lord God gave the full power and responsibility of judgment to Jesus now Christ against all of the individuals of the humanity of their past, present, and future for when judgment day does come we will see his glory because of God all mighty.
A Christian is a follower of Christ no one follows him more than JW's.
Do you have proof? JWs don't follow Jesus.
JWs are God's last days' people. Promised at Isaiah 43:10.
They have been raised to help people understand that God has a name and is unchanging.
The addition of two others into the worship due only to Jehovah, has taken people on the road to destruction. Jesus' words will echo shortly to them.
(Matthew 7:23) And then I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
This is about a people who have believe false doctrines for a LONG TIME.
"JWs are God's last days' people"
What's your best proof for this?
I'm NOT a JW, but I agree that the trinity is a false doctrine. Among other verses in the bible, Deuteronomy 6:4 makes it very clear there is ONLY 1 God. The Father. 1 Peter 1:15-16 describe the Father as Holy. John 4:24 describes the Father as spirit. With a basic understanding of reading comprehension, the bible clearly explains how the Father is the Holy Spirit. A careful analysis of the gospels clearly depicts the body of Jesus as a tabernacle for the Holy Spirit (Emmanuel- God among us). As John 14:10 says "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works."
Also, Jesus had a beginning. God is without a beginning.
Jesus had an end (temporary as it was). God has no end.
Jesus increased in wisdom. God is wisdom.
8 Jehovas witness killed in a blast in India state of kerala this month.accused also belongs to the same group.
This is like watching two kids argue about whose father can beat up whose
I don't think so. It's about trying to save the souls of the Jw's who are not in the light
@@johnpaul-mp7zc and they will say the same about you. You can’t both be right but you can both be wrong. Neither truly has a leg to stand on.
my leg is the AV bible They use to use the King james bible but because it proved their doctrine wrong, the edited ti agree with there doctrine@@KestyJoe
@@johnpaul-mp7zcedition doesn’t matter - it’s all tall tales and mistranslations back to the start.
You cannot refute the JW's as they use the Bible and most Catholics use Catholic in born dogma....I think that some people get confused about God because Jesus said "all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me " So the question is WHO gave this authority to Jesus ?
So God has entrusted HIS SON to bring judgement to this earth and has appointed his son to judge the earth, and so Jesus figures so much in the outworking of God's plan that people often this Jesus is God, but this is not the case, and to prove this I am going to show you one chapter out of many in the Bible which proves Jesus is not God.
Take a look at 1 Cor 15; and Vs 24 to begin with which says:
Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
QUESTION:
So WHO does Jesus hand over the kingdom too ? WHO puts all enemies under his feet ?
Now Vs 28-7-28 which says For God “subjected all things under his feet.”But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
QUESTION: WHO does the son subject himself to ?
Does it look like Jesus is God here, considering God does NOT have a God himself ?
You're welcome for the Bible btw. Just stop defacing it.
@@Qwerty-jy9mj Jw's do not deface it but teach the God in spirit and in truth !
@@STROND
So John 1 says Jesus is one out of multiple gods? Is this your defense for blasphemy?
@@Qwerty-jy9mj yeah, and Jesus is the Archangel Michael as well.
@@STRONDand your man made religion predicted the end times multiple times and nothing happened. That alone discredits your entire belief system.
Well, to be honest, JWs are not Christians in the same way that Catholics are not. Think about that fun fact.
@CB-vt3mx
I don't think it's a "fun fact". So why don't you explain where you got that idea from?
if Catholics are not Christian why is it that ALL Christians receive their rule of faith, their Bible, from the Catholic faith…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did?
fun facr: what part of your body orifice did you pull that crap out of?
@@therealong I would go never go so far as to claim that no Catholics are Christians. However, I have observed that when asked if they are Christians, Catholics will almost always reply, "I'm Catholic." There seems to be a mindset among Catholics that belonging to the Catholic Church is what makes them Christians, but in truth the only ones who are Christians are those who trust in Jesus Christ (not their Church) for their salvation. Don't just take my word for that. Consider Jesus' words:
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in -the Catholic Church- him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Joh 3:18 "He that -is baptized into the Catholic Church- believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
What does the word Christian mean?
Etymology. The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one", with an adjectival ending borrowed from Latin to denote adhering to, or even belonging to, as in slave ownership
Or does it mean we sign up to a 4th century creed?
I would have thought following Jesus steps closely is more important to him than being in a council of churches that don't even have unity of thought?
1pet2:21
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps
Jesus set a pattern for us to follow closely.
A Christian does that wouldn't you all agree?
Yeah, but you guys are heretical Arians who preach a false Gospel, which means you follow a different Christ, therefore you can't claim yourselves as Christians but as "christians". In Galatians 1:6-9 (ESV), Paul addresses the issue directly:
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed."
So no you guys aren't Christians. Just saying it and then stealing some principles and twisting scriptures to fit your man-mad ideology doesn't mean you guys are legit.
@@TruLuan ok. Agree to disagree.
But to be fair... the scriptures we've looked at are quite clear cut.
A soul is the being. It dies. The spirit is the breath. It goes out like lights go out.
Returning to our creator who has the ability, and desire to reinstate it. (Job14:14,15)
But it's all good. If you believe your doctrine because its old and most people believe it that's 100% fine with me.
But please do remember that rhe road to life is cramped and few find it so maybe mainstream isn't always the go.
Just a thought.
Byington
Matthew 7:14
because narrow is the gate and contracted the road that leads to life, and few are they who find it.
Nice chat. I've enjoyed it, thanks.
You're right the scriptures are clear that's why I'm not a JW:
Understanding the Soul and Spirit:
The Catholic Church teaches that humans are composed of body and soul. The soul is considered immortal, created by God, and does not cease to exist upon physical death. It is distinct from the spirit, which is often seen as the animating principle but may be used interchangeably with "soul" in some contexts.
Scripture supports the concept of an immortal soul, such as in Matthew 10:28: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Afterlife and Resurrection:
The Catholic Church teaches the resurrection of the body and the reunion of the soul with the glorified body at the end of time. This is based on the belief in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:52-53 affirms the resurrection of the body: "For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."
The Narrow Road:
The Catholic Church acknowledges the biblical teaching that the road to life is narrow and that the Christian journey involves challenges and a commitment to follow Christ faithfully. When Christ said the road was narrow as well as "by their fruits you will know" He wasn't referring to a particular denomination or group, as there weren't other denominations. Not all Catholics are on the narrow road. Just because someone is born and raised Catholic doesn't mean they are doing what they are supposed to do to stay on that Narrow road. There are smaller religious groups than the JW's who can make that same claim you just made so it doesn't mean anything.
Again, context is everything It's hard to break through to JW's, I know as I used to be an unbaptized publisher for 2 years (Studied with JW's for 8, once I asked the tough questions they slandered my name on the podium instead of answering my questions lol). Anyway, Catholic Answers website has great articles that will answer all your questions in more depth. I suggest you look into them.@@MrMore470
@TruLuan stink. I wish you had been in my congregation.
We would have got on great.
Im heading out right now, but again I enjoyed the chat
I'm still in touch with JW's and consider many as friends. My wife is a JW too, I'm trying to get her out of the cult but they taught her to not listen to me on religious matters, it's sad that they don't allow ones to think critically or do research outside of their website and will use scriptures out of context to justify disfellowshipping, which goes against our God-given free-will. I will pray for you and hope you have a good one as well.@@MrMore470
Yes you statement is correct Jesus is NOT God ! If Jesus is God, then you would not mind answering this question from God's word the Bible, "If Jesus is God then WHO is his God" as the Bible clearly tell us that Jesus has a God too ! Please please read Eph 1:3 which says "blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus" so WHO is the God of Jesus and what is his name ??
Philippians 2:5-8 is your direct answer straight from scripture.
@@tylerf3369 And the answer from Phil 2: 5-8 is YES Jesus has a God and is not equal to him, it says "who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,3 being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross (should be stake) Then in Vs 9 "Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name" Does this sound like Jesus is God to you from this verse, be honest. !
A triadic structure is discernible from Eph 1:3-14. You have to reason from an already assimilated "Holy Trinity" explanation to find out.
@@tylerf3369 If Jesus is God then WHY did he say the following after he had gone back to heaven, " "To the one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name Rev 3:12 So we see that Jesus too has a God , and as Jesus said about his God "the father is greater than I AM" So now we see Jesus has a God but NEVER do you see his father Yehvoah as EVER saying that he has a God !
John 1:1
They are not.
The one most basic tenet of Christianity is the holy trinity
God the father
God the son
God the holy spirit
All are god
All of the same substance
All are god
Yet, each has a different mission.
Jw do not recognize jesus as part of the trinity.
: Can you please show me some scriptural support for your claim that God is triune? can you show me any passage where Jesus or his apostles defend this claim ?
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Luke Ch.1:32NIV"He will be great and will be called the Son of the MOST HIGH. The LORD God will give him the throne of his father David,"
John Ch.10:29NIV"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than ALL c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. "
The God and Father of Jesus christ is the MOST HIGH God and thus is co equal to no one.
John Ch.8:54NIV"Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. "
According to Jesus his God and Father is the one and only God of Israel . By common consent the God and Father of Jesus is not triune. Therefore the one and only God of Israel is not triune.
John ch.20:17NIV"Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”"
The God and Father of Jesus is not triune by common consent . The God and Father of Jesus is also the God and Father of Jesus' disciples . Therefore the God and Father of Jesus' disciples is not triune.
Matthew Ch.24:36NIV"“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, f but ONLY the Father. "
ONLY the God and Father of Jesus Christ is omniscient thus only the God and Father of Jesus Christ is the MOST HIGH God.
Roman's Ch.1:9EHV"To be sure, (the)God, whom I serve with my spirit by proclaiming the gospel of his Son, is my witness to how constantly I make mention of you. In all my prayers, "
Roman's Ch.3:30NIV"since there is only ONE(Grk.eis) God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. "
Paul was an actual monotheist and thus rendered exclusive sacred service to one most high God. Whom he clearly identifies as the God and Father of Jesus Christ.
Malachi Ch.2:10NIV"Do we not all have one Father b ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?"
The God and Father of Jesus Christ is the only true God.
@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 - right on! excellent post! I love the verse in John 8:54 where Jesus says straight out that the God of the Jews, the God of the Old Testament is THE FATHER!!!
@@maxspringer01 Have you read John 8:58?
@@misterauctor7353 yes. I have also read the Septuagint where Exodus 3:14 in the Greek shows that God is not claiming to be "ego eimi" but is claiming to be "ho on". God says "EGO EIMI HO ON.....tell them HO ON (not ego eimi) has sent me to you."
The claimed connection between John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14 is as relates to the Greek "ego eimi", so we have to look at what the Greek says in both, not what the English translation says in both.
ego eimi just means "I am" as it does in literally any language. If I say "I am Max", you do not respond "hello, I am!" Rather, you respond with what comes after "I am", which is "Max", and say "Hello, Max!"
In the same way, when God says "Ego eimi ho on" in Exodus 3:14, we look at what comes AFTER ego eimi to see who He is. He is "ho on". And he repeats as such to Moses in the same verse. "You shall say to the sons of Israel that 'HO ON' has sent me to you."
If Jesus said "ego eimi ho on" or even just "ho on", then there would be something to talk about, but He didn't. He just used one of the most common phrases around, "I am". Even Paul says later on "I AM WHAT I AM" in 1 Corinthians 15:10 and yet no one bats an eye saying that Paul is making a claim to be God.
@@maxspringer01 The Greek (LXX) has God claiming to be ego eimi.
@@misterauctor7353 No it doesn't. Actually look at the Greek words themselves. This information is readily available with a simple google search. ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν is "ego eimi ho on". God then says "tell them ὁ ὢν (ho on) has sent me to you."
No, it's the catholic baptism that is invalid and against teachings of the apostles. The Nicene Creed is a later catholic invention that doesn't let people get to know God better, instead it complicated a political conflict by excommunicating anyone who dared to have an understanding of the scripture different from the majority. Why would you include Mormons in the video? Perhaps you haven't found any more arguments to attack Jehovah's Witnesses?
Jehovah's Witnesses do not baptize according to scripture, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.