Why Man United's Wembley embarrassment runs deep
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- Manchester United scraped through to the FA Cup final after beating Coventry City on penalties following a 3-3 draw. Will success in the FA Cup show enough progress for Ten Hag to remain in position, or do United's problems run deeper than just their manager?
Before taking his seat at Wembley, Sir Jim Ratcliffe completed the London Marathon and compared the race, to the job he has to do at Old Trafford. Just how difficult a marathon could it prove to be for United's new owners?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic's Carl Anka and Mark Critchley who were both at Wembley to discuss.
00:00 Intro
00:49 Man Utd vs Coventry
02:58 Coventry in the FA Cup
05:10 Man Utd tactics
07:00 Sir Jim Ratcliffe & Man United
12:13 Man United fans
15:00 How football changes over time
17:48 Erik ten Hag dealing with team injuries
23:53 Ten Hag & Man Utd
30:00 What’s next for Man United
34:18 Man United’s technical director & investments
37:38 Final comments
37:58 Outro
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Anka one of the most likable footie journalists out there
... a very proud mother 😇
Top class and very humble indeed.❤
He's got a lot to be humble about these days
Most of the Athletic journalists seem sound.
Tip top
Disappointed at how little talk their was on how responsible the players were for such a collapse. It was a completely solid performance before being 3-0 up, then they totally switched off. You could see it on the pitch once Mainoo came off. They started being careless with the ball, taking bad chances, failing to track their men. Ten Hag has made plenty of mistakes this season but allowing Coventry to score 3 times after the 70th minute is on the players on the pitch. It reinforces a broader point that these players are not good enough, by and large, and returning United to the top is a far bigger task than just swapping out the man on the touchline.
Yes the players did collapse, but ETH could have also made tactical adjustments as well. Its one thing to bring on new players, but to allow your team to keep pressing like that, and not just set back and protect the lead when you are up 3-0 is amateurish.
Why should a tactical change be necessary when you're 3-0 up? Maybe he could've done something yes, but to completely lose the plot like that is the sole responsibility of the players @@harrisonculp3241
@@harrisonculp3241 The changes were strange, the reluctance to take Rashford off when you knew Diallo was hungry. However you could stick the reserves on and expect them to still come out on top.
I agree, he made subs,subbed players that have played a lot of football of late, and tried to let players get minutes and play themselves into form. Doing it 3-0 up against a championship side perfect time to do it. It's the players mentality and personality that comes under fire. Only a few of them are worth keeping around
@@harrisonculp3241 He swapped young players for full fledged experienced international players. There must be a bunch of players in that squad who just don't care and you can see it by their performances. Dalot, Onana, Maguire, Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Hoijland are the only ones who seem to care.
Definitely embarrassing, but everyone is crying like they lost the game. It's almost as if both the media and a large portion of United fans wanted to lose that game, which is even more pathetic than the last 25 mins. No matter what happens, it will take time to rebuild the club for success- that being said, 3rd cup final in 2 years isn't too shabby for a struggling team.
Precisely this. I was flabbergasted by the reaction to the win today. Felt like I was being gaslighted.
it's what gets the views, someone in the data analyst department knows that any thumbnail title with roy keane is automatically on peoples algorithm
@@adriangutierrez3196 Yea it's kind of sad how journalism today is more about maximizing viewership rather than any factual analysis. The Athletic aren't the worst, but they're very sneaky with their use of data-essentially cherry picking any data to support any opinion that would sell views. Only people who work with data would be able to discern the difference and most people would accept this as "objective".
They hate us (United) as they know once we're back it's over for the other teams.
Ignorant comment
The Manchester United way is not what Anka said. It's quite clearly expressed in Sir Alex's "Leading" book.
It involves winning matches; having a core of players from the UK and Ireland, and ideally Man United will have the best players from those nations; wingers need to be brave and direct; strikers need to be brave and ruthless; the rest of the team need to be grafters; there needs to be at least one academy player featuring every match; the most exciting foreign young talent need to be brought in. And Man United's attack needs to attack with pace, power and unpredictability.
And to sum it up, Man United's way is how Liverpool has been playing under Klopp. It's *exactly* that.
Great comment.
That's now out dated and no longer the United way
It was the United way until the club got taken over by Americans. Now it's just an American-owned entertainment corporation like Disney (Woodward actually used the analogy when interviewing Klopp for the job!) or Metro Goldwyn-Mayer, there is no plan to cater to on-pitch matters.
Also, much of the 1970s-80s run counter to that vision though it's an accurate reflection of SAF's time in charge.
Incredibly disrepectful to Coventry who put up the most incredible "never say die" performance.
Yes, United are a basketcase, but to go three down and still be chasing every ball, was laudable.
Who’s being disrespectful? They gave Coventry their flowers in this podcast but this isn’t a match review. This is a deep dive episode into Man Utd’s response to this victory, Ten Hag’s future and the boardroom staff appointed to change the direction of the club
@@nathanrobertson819 Who cares about Man U. Stale, plastic, corporate and killing football. City were a joy to watch and experience in comparison.
I dont think there is any disrespect whatsoever.
If anything, they have given Coventry massive credit for putting United in that situation.
And, even as a die hard Red of 38 years, I was disgusted that goal was ruled offside.
I thought Coventry had won it fair and square and yet again, VAR ruins another game.
Ultimately, I think what the lads are highlighting is the fact that United as a team are all over the place, a complete mess.
United teams of the past would have brushed Coventry aside with relative ease.
As a United fan I should’ve been on the edge of my seat in the last 20 mins of normal time yesterday. Losing goals, penalty decision right at the death and then extra time and a penalty shootout.
I don’t think I’m alone here in saying I actually didn’t care if we were to get knocked out. I’ve never been so relaxed during a penalty shootout involving my team. Sounds odd to say but I’ve heard many fans say similar. A lot saying they have been happy if Coventry progressed.
I experienced the same feeling. It was odd. Coventry deserved it … and being knocked out would haves avoided the utter humiliation that awaits United in the final. And I can assure you I will not be happy for the Manchester sky Blues to win the final.
I agree. Last year I was eating my nails when we played with Brighton, yesterday I didn't want us to loose but didn't care.
I dont know what to do with Ten Hag honestly. We changed so many coaches and there are defiantly questions to Ten Hag. His happy comments, weird transfers, weird subs, risky tactics dont help. On the other hand, he developed good young players, his first team with no injuries can be capable of a title challenge imo, he has a great winning mentality with hard work and equality in dressing room. Maybe give one more year if we dont drop to 8th or win fa but I might be happy with De Zebri or Nagelsman
I wanted to get to the final; but I understand what you mean. Unless City get 15 injuries it's going to be a massacre
I was in the same boat and I have been for a while now. United have sucked the life out of me
Mad..I felt the same. Coventry deserve this, if they win, and at least we won't have to face City now. This team putting years on me 😢
Ten Hag guided Ajax to the semi final of the Champions league but 2 v 0 ahead, at home, second half, 2nd leg, against Spurs, and Ajax collapsed, loosing 2 v 3. Onana was in goal.
Ten Haag has history when it comes to his teams collapsing in games!
Finally someone points this out!!!...His Ajax team also gave up a 2nd half, 4-1 lead at Stamford Bridge in 2019 ending in a 4-4 draw...It's not clear he knows how to coach his teams to hold onto leads/close out games...this semi-final collapse was nothing new...
@@BizarrePuddingClearly Ten Haag has a history of his teams collapsing.
People will be traveling long distances, spending their hard earned money, to see Ten Haag at Wembley get thrashed by City. Fire Ten Haag Now.
The U18 coach could do no worse.
Interesting you point this out, because you're failing to mention the 2 games against Madrid and the 2 games vs Juventus annnnd the first game vs Spurs? Out of a total 6 champions league games, the 1 game they throw away a lead Ten Hag now has a history of collapsing in games?? lol
@@thedorianjonespeople love to have cherry pickings to justify a short sighted opinion
@@thedorianjones Ten Haag has consistency with his team surrendering leads and sometimes collapsing.
Fire him immediately
Anka's comments are gold
Coventry should be very proud of their team and their fighting spirit. That was one of the best comebacks of all time. I am not proud of my team at all. Over paid, lazy, disrespectful. They are not playing for the shirt or the fans. I don't know what to think or how to feel anymore, but something dramatic has to change starting with the manager.
It was embarrassing because it took only 20 minutes for Coventry to score 4 past us. They approached the game very sheepishly and didn't play the dynamic and high energy football they played vs Wolves. As soon as they reverted back to their favored formation, it stopped being a competition, they completely outplayed us.
*took 20 mins to score 3 past us... the 4th goal came another 20 mins after. Yes I know, still embarrassing & inexcusable.
I honestly think that the best thing that could happen is for City to absolutely thrash them at the final. After that they could accept that change must occur, reset and start from a clean slate. As long as they keep coming up with random results and performances there’ll still be a bit of hope that things will just fix themselves.
Were you in favour of Arsenal booting Arteta out when he was struggling for the first couple of years?
Should never had been a pen against wan bissaka. That game was finished after 90’
Take your head from sand. Coventry wanted it more. With a much better team spirt and character decent players too.
Think Carl very well balanced in assessment. Assigns 'blame' (more rationale) fairly to multiple parties.
The style of play arguments out there are tiring. There is a tactical plan but the tactics and tools do not marry (especially with injuries) giving the illusion of no style.
People talk about rebuilds but really aren't willing to ride the squad overhaul out. Find a player in the Arsenal squad who was there when Arteta took over...can't be many.
Very insightful discussion
Blaming injuries is a joke. Every club has had injuries. Aston Villa have lost 3 first team players to ACL injuries but nobody talks about that.
I don't know if I'm representative of all man united fans, but.. I think most of us know that, if by some miracle someone would come in and start appointing best in class in all aspects of our footballing stricture, it would take about 5 years before we win anything of significance. I've said for years that we're not winning anything without a decent CDM. We got Casemiro (yes, he's dusted now) and won the Caraboa. Plus, we're not winning anything of significance until thy Glazers are gone. They're still here! I think we can win the League and Champions League within 5 years IF .... Ineos continue to recruit best in class, complete a meaningful restructuring of the footballing aspects of our beloved club, and back a manager with patience. Fans need to be patience, and so does the ownership.
All we need is just a little patience!!! (Alex Rose, Circa 1988)
It could be multiple years? Its been over a decade of waiting to be a decent team
Agree, but tbf club has been going around in circles for quite a long time
There's literally no way around it.
These three have great chemistry
I dont know what to do with Ten Hag honestly. We changed so many coaches and there are defiantly questions to Ten Hag. His happy comments, weird transfers, weird subs, risky tactics dont help. On the other hand, he developed good young players, his first team with no injuries can be capable of a title challenge imo, he has a great winning mentality with hard work and equality in dressing room. Maybe give one more year if we dont drop to 8th or win fa but I might be happy with De Zebri or Nagelsman
He's the manager not coach
Give Ten Hag more time…Onana and Martinez and Malacia have been decent signings although injuries have limited their impact. Yes Antony has been disappointing but injuries and other probs have meant he plays….no Greenwood/Sancho that is massive blow as they are creative forces. Also one striker all season! And he is young and new to PL coming into an injury decimated squad…he arrived injured. Some clubs have squads where they can ‘hide’ a player not in form…that isn’t the case for Ten Hag. I am sure if he had the budget he would by at least 3 new centre mid 3 new centre backs and a left back and two strikers. 8 players
Sir Jim Ratcliff finished marathon in time to watch the game and noticed he can run faster than Rashford.
People keep harping on about Ten Hag’s job being on the line after these performances, but it’s the players who are throwing these games away.
You can point to a bad substitution maybe, but I have never seen a squad of so many players at my club in my 35 years as a fan that do not represent our historical values and attributes.
Bruno is a horrible captain, I’m sorry, Casemiro has been a great player but appears to be a mercenary cashing-out at the end of his career in a league not based in the Middle East…
Our defense this season has not been Ten Hag’s fault…
But there is a real lack of football IQ and leadership in this team.
I don’t see those things as Ten Hag’s fault alone.
This squad has been horribly assembled over 6 or so years, which is what Ineos appear to be trying to address before all else with their pending appointments.
Add in that he doesn’t have any game-changing substitutes to throw on either…
Hojlund has been learning how to adapt his game whilst playing 70+ minutes whenever fit.
Shaw, Martinez, Varane, Mount, Martial, all likely starters who have been out for 75+% of the season too.
Arteta didn’t have anywhere near this level of criticism in his first two Arsenal seasons…
Don't forget trashford
@@Kneetbomb so disappointing this season, but we don’t have a ton of options to drop him…
Exactly. The only players in the Manchester United squad I could see starting in other top teams are Rasmus, Martinez and Mainoo.
Nice to see you here Carl ! its been a while
It's a very different situation but at Villa we needed three different managers in my opinion. We needed Bruce to steady the ship and bring back a professional culture to the dressing room. We needed Dean Smith to bring a positive modern footballing philosophy to the pitch and reconnect with fans and we have needed Emery to take us to the next level of performance.
why was the offside line drew through wan bissakas boot?
@Carl, @13:20 ‘The Manchester United way of winning’ has only been under two managers historically, let’s not forget!
Who, between them, managed the club for half a century.
@@liammccann8763 correct, but SAF’s league finishes were 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th, 2nd before PL’s inception and our first title. Fans have to be mindful of the media agenda to constantly call for managers’ heads in order to spin 24hr news narratives and sell newspapers, attract clicks and comments…
SAF’s first seasons before the PL (for those who have forgotten/didn’t know)
Finishing positions;
11th
2nd
11th
13th
6th
2nd
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2:22 sums it up. United are FINALLY consistent. Unfortunately only in bottling leads and having new back-four. But why did you take us back to Westeros or whatever it was when those recordings were played? Mark was crying at the end!
Is the Man Utd way not just throwing money at all the top players, no matter whether it works out and then being bailed out by academy graduates seizing chances when the top 'stars' are injured?
That's the way it was under Fergie and every manager since.
Only 1 of their top 10 most expensive signings can be considered successful (Fernandes), the other 9 are all failures totalling over €650m.
They broke the British transfer record 3 times in a row in the early 2000s, as well as on Cole in the 90s, would have broken it again (and the world transfer record) if Shearer hadn't turned them down during that decade. They also broke the record for most expensive teenagers (Rooney, Shaw, Martial) three times in a row, with those coming under Fergie and after.
They were always the team that threw money about for years (even with Chelsea's takeover) until owners with deeper pockets came along in City.
People have short memories and too many on football social media don't know about what happened before they were born.
highest win rate in our clubs history. 3 cup finals and a trophy in two years. with the worst man utd players possibly ever, all the off field issues, all the injuries, takeover nonsense etc etc etc... imagine if ten hag is backed correctly and the bad players are removed?
Changing the manager is certainly the easiest solution and the solution made previously under the Glazers because it was much cheaper than changing most of the squad. But it's also the wrong solution for sure this time around because Ten Hag has done well especially last season and as we've seen with Klopp and Arteta everybody needs to be patient during a rebuild. It takes many years to do a successful rebuild - especially when most of the players are injured most of the time and the reserves not good enough. United still need to win every game to satisfy most of the fans. If Ten Hag is fired the rebuild needs to almost start over and will take considerable longer. It will also bring United into another evil circle where a new manager at first will maybe be a success compared to the season before (Moyes was doomed to fail though following Ferguson) but the new manager will fail again because of the lack of patience from United fans not wanting to suffer sometimes during a rebuild. But the evidence is there - Liverpool and Arsenal have been patient (especially Arteta didn't do well in his first 2 seasons) and has ultimately been rewarded for their patience. So United including the fans should in my opinion be patient because I still believe Ten Hag is the right man for the rebuild. Ten Hag just needs more available players who can play the kind of football he wants to play which can be very entertaining and attacking. A big summer clearout is certainly needed and especially the defense needs to be strenghtened because we've seen how United can fall apart when Martinez, Varane and Shaw hasn't been there to steady the ship. My fear is though INEOS will sack Ten Hag because it's the easy solution but I really hope they won't no matter what! If things also go bad agasin next season I guess they have to though but as I said I don't think so.
Manchester United need to do with Ten Hag exactly what they would do if they brought Guardiola or Klopp today, and thats changing the whole team. How many players in this current team can execute ideas and tactics that those manager would bring? Zero. And thats exactly how many players can execute Ten Hags ideas and tactics. Then don't keep players and sack manager again because it makes no sence and it would not make any difference whoever they bring as a manager.
Honestly we deserved to lose, can’t blame the fans for leaving straight after or players for not celebrating with Hojlund. What’s there to celebrate??
They think they're above this level 😂 just like Antony taking COVENTRY personally. They're playing like they want Erik out and contract extensions in
It was rough but we are still in the final despite a horror season with injuries.. Better than Liverpool.
I think people forget about the love of the cup anything can happen in cup games is the beauty of the FA Cup
Whether the manager stays or goes, over half of that team needs to be shipped out!
I don’t feel embarrassed , have to enjoy being in a final
I was fed up and angry after that result. But i wouldnt blame the manager, there are always things all fans can be critical of managers for. It was the same for Sir Alex and happens wih Pep. Its not exclusive to lower level managers. I blame the players because they had a 3-0 cushion, it was a very experienced 11 against a championship team. All they had to do was hold the ball, run the clock down and give no easy chances away. They did the exact opposite, also there were players strolling around that pitch like they didnt care. Who was willing to bust a gut to cut out the danger? Coventry City players left everything on that pitch. Can Man United players say the same? Fergie, Klopp, Pep etc will tell you that you have to win the battle first before the talent can win the match. United have a soft underbelly. Any team with an ounce of fight in them can beat this team. We have a bunch of cowards!
With the way everyone's been going on, you'd think United got battered ffs.
They were in complete control for 70 minutes, let in one good goal, one freak deflection, and a dodgy af penalty.
Yeah they should have managed the game better but it's hardly the catastrophe all the pundits are pushing (copy) it as.
Someone finally says it. Give this team back to Ole Gunnar Solksjaer, build a structure around him, get the players he identifies & give him 3 years.
His team has played the best football since SAF. And he a lot of the criticism he faced was unfair.
very nice, civil vibe... not the usual incoherent, pub-level, sweary ''Goldbridge'' stuff.
I'll sub that.
Maguire is only good with everything in front of him out of possession. In possession he’s so slow and ponderous on the ball it hurts my eyes.
Just admit it really pained you lot that United still went through to the final despite the "embarrassment"
I hope the Media go full on Slott if he takes the Liverpool job and start calling for his head after a few bad performances after in his 1st season. But they won't because it's Liverpool. There has been no System at United in 20 years and the players are not good enough!
Why are people here liking anka? He lied about so many things and nearly always makes wrong prognoses.
you guys need to realize that Man Utd not the Man Utd that we know from Sir Alex era. We need to realize that we are not the top 3 team in PL. So, yes we should not be embrassing with this winning. Yes, we struggled but we won the game. Be patient guys. ETH building something here.
Tainted Love 🔴❤️
I don't I'll be able to bring myself to watch the final. Desperate it is. GGMU 🇾🇪
Who would be a Man United manager. You get to a Cup Final and you are cast into shame.
Keep Ten Hag and send a message to the players and supporters, "We have a plan, the players need to be held accountable - no more knee jerk reactionary actions." Get rid of the dead wood, players need to be sold, let Ten Hag steady the ship with his values which are universal. The board identifies a style of play, manager and players to be incoming. 2024 seems just about right for any judgement.
These executive appointments will be pointless if NOTHING is done about Rashford. If they can't pass that test, they have no business being in their positions. This plater and Bruno are toxic influences on the team. It will be an interesting summer.
Scoring in fergie time has a whole different meaning these days!
Parasites who didn't see SAF's first few year's, or Klopp's, or Arteta's. Ten Hag is not the issue at United. He's the reason we won the Carabao, qualifies for the CL, and are in our second FA Cup final. He has the highest win ratio of any United manager, and is the quickest ever United manager to get to 50 wins.
Meanwhile, Rashford is on the 6th manager, Bruno on his 4th, Mctominay on his 5th, Maguire on his 4th, Lindelof on his 4th, Shaw on his 4th....Rangnick was right about 13-14 new players being required.
Ten Hag is forced to play with repeat failures, backstabbers amd primadonnas. Get rid of them ......and work with him to build a culture, squad and playing style.
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It's a rebuilding of United's A marathon then they have just completed the warm up. Have an even got to start line yet
I am a United fan and that game really pissed me off.
Any United fan that wants to keep ETH as our manager is utterly clueless about football.
ETH has proven the entire season and for much of last season that he has no plan B, do NOT understand what is happening on the pitch and has utterly useless in game management.
And what Antony did after the "win" made me want to seek him up and beat the crap out of that shit bag.
We have seen the entire season from the first game that ETH have had a tactic where we have left way to much space in the middle and he has not once tried to fix that.
We have seen the entire season that we have conceded insanely many shots and he has not once tried to fix that and he even said in a press conference that he didn't see that as a problem.
We have also seen the entire season that ETH has not adjusted his formation/tactics to the strengths and weaknesses of the players he has on the pitch.
It is EXTREMELY obvious that you can't ask Erikson to do the same as Mainoo can, but still ETH did that in this game.
Of course the midfield became an open door when you sub Mainno off and put Erikson on and still play with the same space for the Coventry players to try to explore.
And ETH has done similar things the entire season.
Being extremely stubborn and played his "tactics", no matter what players he had on the pitch and what team we played against.
Most of our games have been basketball games, so it is NOT strange at all that many players have gotten muscle injuries.
And playing basketball games with aging players like Varane, Casemiro and Eriksen is totally insane.
Even MANY players in their mid 20s struggle a lot with that.
If INEOS decide to keep ETH, then I totally give up on my club that I have been a fan of for more than 40 years.
Then INEOS as well prove that they know as little about football as the Glazers do.
And if that is the case, then our last hope is gone.
Lots of talk in the media about the amount of injuries that Man Utd have had this season, however no-one asking why? Is it just poor luck or are the medical team at Utd at fault?
Possibly? There are a lot of injuries across the league though so maybe a hangover from game load and World Cup?
Last seasons workload is def playing a toll but the utd med team are hopeless too. Esp re Malacia and Shaw.
It's normal for a team in a huge match to gain momentum after scoring just one goal. Get a grip.
Never mind…£1 million question - is Critch rocking a mullet?
Your the Embrassment. 3 finals in 2 years - what matters is the result, not the make up of it. Its a cup game. It's the way a heavily weakened team due to injuries has played all season.
Carl is always a riot.
There is no team spirit og fight in this united team. They have given up on the manager. It's clear for all to see. Ten Hag deserves better.
Do the players deserve a better manager?
@@cedricberner8507 I don't think the players are good enough. Weak mentality, ready to throw any manager under the bus. If they get a better manager, he would want other players.
@@geir8849 you are probably right there. I can’t help feeling though, that « a good manager » would get a better tune out of these players though?
@@cedricberner8507 Ten Hag did last year. I think injury free Shaw and Martinez would be very different. Martinez is number 1 mentality monster.
United is still dining out on Fergie's achievements. We 3 points. We're still not humbled by what Fergie (and the Class of 92) did. And like Liverpool, it might take years more or even decades for that expectation to wear off and for the club to remember that noting in life, not even with a trillion pound to spend, is guaranteed.
Carl, the analogy, the teacher and advanced calculus, perfectly sums up the united players..
Too many comments here eager to downplay Utd's history of success.
Utd is a big club, yes, but they are unlike the Bayern monopoly in Germany and the Real-Barca racket in Spain where almost all the cards - social, political, geographical factors - are stacked in those clubs' favour.
I mean, even within England, is there a good reason why Utd should be more decorated than a host of London clubs of similar stature and historicity? I don't think so, and yet none of the big capital clubs can match Utd's overall honours tally.
Fact is all clubs go through periods of wax and wane and Utd's ability to make their own success deserve a bit more respect than what's being said in this comment section.
Coventry beat wolves, who is calling wolves out!
moving the goalpost
Usual online crap, the media, journalists, and pundits do nothing but try and get managers sacked. It creates big headlines, and they get awarded a packet of ginger nuts for their pathetic efforts. Ten Hag is going nowhere..he has performed far better than Klopp and Arteta in their first two years. He walked into a disfunctioning club, a complete bag of worms. So give it a rest and change the tune. it's all getting rather nauseating.
Rashford one of our best players? Lol
I think the caveat to the united way would preclude playing boring footy. Using transitions effectively is a big part of 'the united way' imo
Passing on a wealth of knowledge, soft knowledge, is not being a Technical Director. How is a publicly listed organization making amateur decisions.
We played in the first twenty minutes of this match how we should have played in the entire second half….boring, 30 touches each, no threat or risk.
Is giant killing part of fa cup traditional? Doesn’t a giant suffer embarrassment of being killed in the da cup? Man U were terrible for a short spell. But it’s not an embarrassment to lose to 11 men playing the hearts out punching above their against you. It’s a terrible loss not embarrasing.
The new guy is a major upgrade, the club had Darren Fletcher on that role laying out cones, and carrying kits and boots for players. Embarrassing!
We been what since 2013 , havent we waited enough . winger in time of Sir Alex would play wide, beat a man and CROSS the ball Rash, Gnacho, Antony , Amad don't so selfish , can all get binned , buy winger that cross .. stop playing inverted wings make the selfish .. Hoj would have double the goals if we cross to him ... in the 39 years of supporting UNITED this is the squad I like the least , if I could I would keep Martinez , Kambwala, mainoo Hojlund and maybe bruno everybody else bye bye..
The main benefit of inverted wingers is in gegenpressing, where they can cut off passing channels on their stronger sides through the half channels inside the pitch. Modern football doesn’t operate under the “cross and inshallah” mode anymore, as CBs can easily snuff crosses out.
Mark looks like a crossover between kdb and valverde
You know what was more embarrassing losing to Middlesbrough at home in the 4th round
A manager swap with Barcelona for Xavi?
Do you watch football? The best teams don’t always win Cup finals.
I think the betting house is very happy with United this year.
They make a lot of profit for them this year
Blue Peter?
Man u way currently..Is a system called "chaos"..Not Peps possession or Klopps high press..😂😂😂😂
I've lost count of times I've heard the word embarrassment and it's tiring at the end of the day we're in the final not Coventry
Strange? It has been quite easy to explain. Coventry did not play their usual high-press football in the first half but switched to an unusual setup with 532 - which explained why they conceded two goals because they weren't used to the setup. Then they reverted back to high-press, transitional football (which you could see in their FA Cup game with Wolves), which United has failed to deal with for the whole 2023/24 season. Both the first and second goals Coventry scored were tactical: transitional goals, a common theme of ETH. United was being made worse by subbing Garnacho (the most creative outlet) and Mainoo (the most anti-press and dynamic midfielder) and replacing them with Antony and Eriksen. The latter two were particularly prone to transitional football (Antony, slow, and Eriksen, even slower - how could they play transitional football?!). Playing AWB as LB also partly explained his discomfort, as well as why he conceded the penalty. And the final 20 mins and 30 mins of extra time? Coventry was clearly the better team in transitional play, as United was both tired and mentally off.
So, the first, second, and third goals United conceded were all connected to the manager's setup. Fans still want him to stay?
Everyone needs to calm down. Massive over-reactions. What's more embarrassing? To be in the FA Cup Final, or to have been knocked out in a quarter final by a team as bad as Utd? Utd have been fragile all season. No surprises there. We have 3 fit defenders. Five teenagers on the bench. No left back. A CDM (makeshift CB) who is carrying an injurry and cannot run. 27 million different back fours and formations. Coventry were always going to have a go. Their first goal, our back four was all over the place. Fair enough - a decent team should be able to stop that. 2nd goal was a freak deflection. 3rd goal was a pen that according to the Che-City and Eve-Forest refs is not a pen. And then Cov have the momentum. Utd hit the bar 3 times. XG was Utd 2.33 to Cov 1.74 (including a 0.78 pen). Coventry didn't deserve to win. Did Utd against Arsenal when Garnacho was offside by the same amount? We weren't the best team but nearly got away with a smash and grab. I've been to Wembley 4 times in just over a year and will hopefully be going back again in May. Utd are in the final. This anti-Utd narrative on the Athletic is getting boring. According to Critch, losing an FA Cup semi-final would be "the worst result ever". What??! I can understand it from the likes of Sutton, Agbonlahor, Cundy - but come on guys you are better that this. Be objective.
They even put sound tracks to it.. Man Utd losing or playing poorly definitely gets people content don't know what they will be doing when we start winning again.. coz we will be back very soon 😂
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Manchester United have a long rich history but countless poor decisions. over last 10 years has led it to such a scenario
We made it to Wembley. Arsenal and Liverpool and Arsenal didnt. 60+ injuries. Over played players that have barely had a break.
Save this comment. United would be very dangerous with Ten Hag next season
You are either on or off. Just isn’t in it.
should real madrid be embarrassed, they were bitch slapped by city but got through on penalties, asking for a friend.
Coventry were brilliant
And lost. Better to be crap and win.
Coventry did win. Var robbed them
While almost blowing a 3 goal lead to coventry is unforgivable the injuries are going to take thier toll.
No LB for practically the entire season.
5 CBs currently injured.
5 u18s on the bench
Over 60 cases where injury or illness has prevented a player being selected.
No team can function like that, not liverpool, not City, not madrid.
Do people realise we had our 3/4th choice centre back playing and an emergency midfielder playing cb
We have also our third choice left back option who is not a left back
United a issues recently are not complicated
Put shaw Martinez and varane in that team and you’d see a completely different team
Even shaw and varane cb with malacia left back
A "possibility of winning a trophy". Does 0.0001% count ?
Yes
i actually dont think man utds team atm would get promoted from the championship, the leagues too brutal for them
Why do people assume that United should naturally be the top club, or vying for the top? They are a big club with arguably only two major periods of success - under Busby and then Ferguson. Apart from those - outliers - *this* is the norm for united - failure to live up to their past, trading on past glories, endless years of failure and disappointment - the entire 70s and 80s of flattering to decieve... They're a big club, but rarely a great team.
I think it’s to do with the money involved in game. They see city and Chelsea winning due to an injection of cash when historically they haven’t been winning. United are a rich club therefore they expect success. To be fair you could make the same point about lots of clubs including Liverpool being successful for periods.
All clubs have periods of more or less success. Liverpool are a good example of a club that had sustained success under multiple managers - the famous boot room and continuation from Shankly on through Fagan, all the way to Dalglish - United are an outlier - they really only had success under two managers - but because they were in place for so long - 26 years in Fergie's case - people mistakenly assume that's the natural state of things. I'd argue that the chaos and failure of now is much more typical of United than winning titles.
@@fullydavid and then had practically no success in the following 30 years. A few cups here and there but all in all not much success while spending more money than a rich club that was successful in that “outlier” time. History is the past not just from 1990 backwards. United being the “outlier” with more league titles.
1900-01, 1905-06, 1921-22, 1922-23, 1946-47, 1963-64, 1965-66, 1972-73, 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86, 1987-88, 1989-90, 2019-20. ...that is Liverpool. Some pretty big gaps in there. Historically speaking. So actually were really only dominant from the mid 70’s through to the start of the 90’s. 9 titles in a 15 year period.
@@calumjunior7748 Liverpool were a small/medium club until the Shankly era - but since then, even when they have struggled to win titles - they've been there or thereabouts. Even when not winning in the 90s/00s they were often the closest challengers along with Arsenal. United were finishing mid table in the 80s and relegated in the 70s.
@@fullydavidapart from the 18 seasons since the premier league was formed where they finished between 4th and 8th or do you also count them as challenges?
A win is a win.
ClownAnka as usual sputing nonesense.
Ole In
Ole was sacrificed for this 😭😭
The Athletic have been consumed by their own echo chamber. Address the role of the players, please, attempt objectivity. What has happened to The Athletic at all?
Reasonable analogy from Carl but lately the school teacher can't even recite his times tables. No control, no shape. Abysmal