'Oppenheimer' is a LOT (Review)
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The scene where Oppenheimer is giving a speech to the foot stomping crowd after the bomb has been dropping sent legitimate chills down my spine. The chorus of cheers being harshly interrupted by a scream and then visions of the crowd disintegrating will be something I think about for a very long time
The mixing on that scream was so impressive to me, it managed to be both present and understated in a way that shook me. This is one of those movies that you just know will sweep all the technical categories.
Yes! the scream really stuck with me. My favourite scene in the movie
That scene made it an instant 5/5 for me. It is one of the most powerful scenes of not the most powerful scene I’ve seen from a film.
I never thought much about the moral implications of the bomb since it was always gonna get made eventually but this movie asked so many relevant questions
it really got me to consider it more. I still have the same opinion but Oppie made me examine it for the first time
that actually left me shaking in my seat fr
Rami Malek had one of the greatest “I’m him” moments in the history of cinema after just holding a clipboard in every scene he was in before.
Bro had like three scenes total and absolutely killed it
Wait until you watch literally anything else with him in it and you'll see what a waste he was in this movie.
He's the only one who could have nailed that testimony
@@hardnewstakenharderhe doesnt need that many scenes, it only took him three
@CandidBanter Mr Robot might be the best show I’ve ever watched. Such a mindfuck at times but I was always immersed.
Honestly? The score being present a lot of the time, while unusual, made that silent scene during the trinity test SO much more engaging and impactful imo
Subconsciously realised that but only put it together after seeing this
yes I thought the same
I found the soundtrack a little annoying. I wish there would have been more scenes in the movie without music. Sometimes less is more. He made the same mistake in the movie Dunkirk. It can be painful to sit for 3 hours watching a movie when the soundtrack is so loud.
@@nerychristian after 20min into the movie, I looked at my bf next to me so annoyed about the soundtrack because it was such an auditory overstimulating thing for me. It was extremely exhausting feeling like I was watching a trailer for almost 3h straight, especially with the fast editing at times
@@PinkBerryPhie Yeah, it was kind of weird. Sometimes the music didn't match the scenes. If you closed your eyes and listened to the soundtrack, you would think that there was a lot of action going on. But most of the movie was just scenes of people talking to each other. I don't know why the music was constantly blaring. Maybe the director thought the audience would get bored if there wasn't constant music playing. The movie Tenet also had similar issue. Where the music was so loud that it would often times make it hard to hear the dialogue.
It's a testament to Christopher Nolan's immense directing talent that he made a three hour movie mostly composed of dialogue, and managed to make it compelling throughout. I'm so glad that I got to see it on the big screen.
ikr it may be hard to understand for some people but i understood it and loved every second of it
This sort of weird but after I watched Oppenheimer last four days ago and today I currently watch Hayao Miyazaki’s Film Wind Rises.
The both films are polar opposite of course, however these both has in common, the Protagonist’s creations.
I will start Jiro in Wind Rises, his dreamed is to make planes because they are art and wanted travel much faster other than trains. but when he made his iconic airplane which is Zero Figher, the Japanese government used his creations for war and cost millions of lives. All he ever wanted make planes because they are art and beautiful, he never wanted use it as a weapon. Same goes to Robert Oppenheimer who created atomic bomb was used as a weapon even though his true intentions are made it a deterrent,push the limits of physics and used it a warning to end WW2, not to use it
Either way are both masterpieces of cinema
Oppenheimer has best Cinematography ever while Wind Rises best 2D animations
I think this holds true for the last third but I personally found the first two A.hard to follow and B.Boring
Movie was boring not because it has too much dialogues and less action because screenplay was not the best. There were lot of random short scenes bundle together with no real meaningful conversations.
its edited in an insane way just barely misses sensory overload
One thing that lost me a bit was halfway through, I thought to myself "I can't actually recall most of the character's names". They were just like, "scientist that's interested in the H-Bomb", "guy who met Oppenheimer in a train", "Matt Damon". It was hard to understand who some people were and their significance.
I'm like that with every piece of media
Trust me, watch it again if you can and the way the dots will connect will leave you astounded. Even more so knowing this was a real story (yes somethings were changed fir dramatic effect though haha)
it almost feels to me as if the film assumes a familiarity with the subject matter the viewer might not necessarily have. it's a trend i've noticed with some modern biopics ever since that zac efron ted bundy one a few years back. there's a lot less handholding than there tended to be with older biopics.
yeah you can tell they tried to mitigate that because every time they mention someone you havent seen in a while or havent heard their name much they cut to an image of them. didnt help me a lot had no idea who that guy who died in the middle was.
I thought I was the only one I kept forgetting names there was so many scientists involved
I cried when Oppenheimer said "Now I’m a Barbie girl... in a Barbie world." A real tear jerker.
Definitely one of the scenes in the history of cinema
My fave
I am become plastic, it’s fantastic.
Yours should be top comment!
I am Become Barbie, destroyer of butch.
The 10 second countdown for the bomb did put me more on the edge of my seat than any movie scene ever has. The ending honestly made the movie worth it, in my opinion. It was a lot, and it was always pretty good, but the ending was absolutely incredible and validated the whole thing being 3 hours long.
The testing scene did not work for me at all there was absolutely zero tension imo we know it's going to work it's real life 🤷Plus all this hype about no CGI explosion well yeah because it just looked like any normal explosion lol. Ending scene was for sure the best tho
can you please explain to me what was good about the ending? im truly trying to understand why people praise this movie so much
@@fashvr9961it’s reflective of our real world, how he says the chain reaction never stopped and the world did destroy itself with war and nuclear weapons. the threat is real and constant. just stick with more than others that the fear of nuclear war is still prominent.
@@fashvr9961the ending was so cliche and predictable. People are overhyping this movie because its Nolan. The movie sucks but Cillian did a solid job regardless.
@@btafbm I’m sure it just varies by person. In the moment, I of course knew it was going to work, but it still felt intense and climatic. The explosion itself was whatever. I think the build up was more than the payoff, but it’s still a feeling I’ve never gotten from a movie.
The end scene of Oppenheimer and Einstein realizing their worst fears about a bomb chain reaction destroying the world have come true is so chilling and terrifying.
It was a fantastic metaphor that I've never thought of before. I'd heard the story about the uncontrolled chain reaction and learned before watching the film that it wasn't nearly the threat the Internet makes it out to be, but they did a great job of making it relevant again in the narrative.
I do have a question, i found the movie really interesting but I was taught all this cold war and the consequences in class and also that they ‘downgraded’ all of the atomic bombs to prevent atomic war to breakout under reagan and gorbatchow and therefore know most of the stuff that should be basic ‘war’ knowledge and therefore find this movie only as good as how knowledgeable you are, meaning it’s only a documentation in my opinion since I know everything that prevails in the movie, so I wanted to ask you if you are from america or other countries where you learned less about war, no discrimination or anything like that only interested, and therefore find this movie good because of unexpected turnaround like not knowing the results of bombing hiroshima or nagasaki etc. did this impact your view of the movie and give it a good rating? I would give this movie a beautiful rating 7/10 but it’s not a 11/10 since it’s all actual reality which most people did not learn about, i come from Luxembourg and I learned a lot about ww1 and ww2 and cold war thus the score for me is equal to a documentation
It was so damn loud in the cinema I could barely hear myself think
@@smolapex Lol yes I studied the cold war in school and I've even read American Prometheus, which is the book the movie Oppenheimer was based upon. Knowing what will ensue didn't diminish the movie going experience for me in any way. "this movie only as good as how knowledgeable you are" is not true in my opinion at all as there have been many amazing films based on real, well documented events. Prior knowledge going into a movie doesn't ruin the film for me as I'm there to be entertained by good film-making and acting, not to learn.
@@Tribal_Sky75 My feelings exactly! It was horrible. The worst music video called a movie ever!
Ludwig casually composing one of the most beautiful, stressfull and ear-destroying scores I’ve ever heard.
Now i am become deaf but it was worth it.
I still like his Black Panther score the most
Been the god since he produced Because of the Internet
@@rajatgupta000lmao, damn right haha
Soundtrack was awful
I can confirm that it's a film you need to see twice. First time, I was unable to pick up on a lot of the dialogue, but the second time, I understood it more
Yeap! I actually enjoyed it so much more the second time and noticed things that were literally in plain sight like Jack Quaid played Richard Feynman lmaoo
Same, I struggled to keep up, but i understood the basic story. Definitely going to rewatch to understand better
@@junaidmohammad5664- Maybe I’ll see it again. I found it to be way too long (especially the last hour), and the editing was disjointed. Maybe another watching will help.
Tbf that’s mainly cause of how unclean the audio and dialogue always is in cinemas, they really need to start either adding subtitles or making their audio be more clean cause I can barely understand the shit that they’re saying half the time
Tbf it you know a bit more then basic fysics you wil be fine
That final scene...one simple line...GOOSEBUMPS
The last hour....snooze fest. (1st 2, engrossing)
The trolls trying their hardest to sell this movie until the final minute knowing there is no payoff😅😂
@@ThroughMyEyes2020 tiktok trolls trying to discredit masterpieces because their attention span can't take an hour without bombs exploding 🤡
@@marklewen9384 if you think the last hour is a “snooze fest” then good movies just aren’t your thing dude
@@jacobsmith7054 no, over rated movies aren't my thing.
The whole last hour they made it about the mccarthy witch hunt, but they did nothing to build that up during movie. Heck, the guy who turned out to be the spy at los alamos had ONE line they entire movie(" I was a german until hitler made me not one"). No interaction with oppenheimer whatsoever. Did oppenheimer let him spy? Was oppenheimer disloyal? We as the audience CANT know that as movie did horrible job on that.
People often confuse an average movie because it covers an important topic...
One of my favorite things about the movie is how it uses the stomping. When it first appears with no context, i thought it was the sound of the bomb about to fall or the trinity gadget powering up. Going throughout the entire trinity test sequence only to realize this sound, this specter that seemed to be haunting him through time and space... Was people cheering for his accomplishments. There's so much you can read into that. Its so layered and its crazy nolan was able to do this.
I saw Oppenheimer last night and was left completely speechless. At times it felt like a horror movie. Cillian Murphy delivers an all-time performance here. Some people will think it’s boring, but I was completely riveted the entire time.
@@Wonka59stop generalising, I adore most of Nolan films but this one, it felt like Nolan tried to do a what Fincher did 13 years ago, make a dialogue heavy movie about a famous person. I think we both can agree that as good as this movie is, its not even close to The Social Network.
@@Wonka59It's boring if you watch it w/o knowing it's just gonna be 90% hearings about communism and only 10% bomb and you watch it expecting it'll focus on developing the bomb. I don't like long ass political documentaries. I watched it as I love nukes and got nothing out of the movie
@@Wonka59 It didn't focus on the development of the bomb. It focused on the life of Oppenheimer and even then it was heavily focused on his politics so even saying it was about his life is a bit too broad of a definition. The bomb just happened to be a part of it, kinda like that step son you never really bothered with yet had to deal with coz you wanted to be with his mom. A movie titled "Oppenheimer" could've focused more on his role in the creation of the nuclear bomb but that's not what they did and thus my expectations weren't met, ignore the fireball in the posters, watch it being prepared for a political drama.
@@Wonka59 Nah, I've got proper nuke documentaries & all the released test footage to watch instead to forget about this movie's existance.
@@Wonka59 You know that a movie is subjective right? And just because you don't like a certain movie doesn't make you stupid? I love movies that this movie is being compared to like TSN, The Irishman and so on but I don't like this one in particular. This movie doesn't feel as big as it should have felt, I mean I get it, it was based on the man not the big project, something was just missing. You liked it? Great, I wish I did too. And that is fine.
And you seriously think Zuck isn't influential? Look around you! Everybody's life today is somehow affected someway or the other by him. The thing you are accusing the very people who didn't like this movie, 'ticktockers', Zuckerberg started this Social Media addiction. He prolly knows more about you than yourself. TSN was also not abt the company but the man, the friendships, the betrayals. Oppenheimer was also based on the man but didn't feel that personal tbh.
Christopher Nolan is one of those last few directors that when he makes a film it often gets treated like a holiday is coming like Christmas came early... Each film he makes is a gift to movie lovers.
The only other ones I can think of currently is either James Gunn or Jordan Peele
@@yammerrryeet511put wes anderson on the list
He's one of the few left in Hollywood who are clearly unique, original and innovative in their craft.
@@CasualKrieger His last effort sucked, but I agree ^_^
@@DarkAngelEU Yeah, despite Grand Budapest being one of my favourite films of all time, I'm starting to not look forward to Wes' newer releases anymore
Oppenheimer is one of the best character studies ever. It totally made up for it’s 3 hour playtime. What a fantastic movie.
Honestly I felt like the film was lacking a bit in the “character study” aspect, which I think was caused by two things. First the film is definitely focused on fitting a lot of plot and detail into the movie about the happenings and the story itself, which I think held back the possibility of having some more intimate moments or insights into Oppenheimer’s mind or understanding his character, his motivations, his morals, etc. it just felt like it was constant plot full speed ahead, not much time to sit with the character. But the second (more important thing imo) was the constant score, I felt like it was either so loud or overbearing that it distracted from the dialogue and acting, or it was too insistent on the emotion of the scene instead of just letting the scene and the dialogue and the acting speak for itself. I think the score itself is great and there are moments where it’s used very well, but I do feel like it was overused. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that some of the best scenes or sequences of the film have either no score or a very subtle score, and the focus is on the acting itself, those scenes actually felt more intense and impactful, and gave more insights to the characters, it didn’t need dramatic music. Just to name a few scenes, the trinity test, Oppenheimer having visions in that auditorium place after the test, discussing the dropping of the bombs on Japan, all far more gripping and impactful to me because they allowed the focus to be on the subtle and excellent acting, impressive effects and well written dialogue which communicated so much about the characters and their state of mind. The film needed more of that if it wanted to really be about the character, it needed subtle moments, it needed quiet moments spent with the character, focusing on the subtle facial acting and body language, trying to understand what’s going on in their head, that’s what the film would need if it was focused on being a character study, but as it is presented it’s far more about the fast paced plot and moral/ethical questions than it is about the character study.
@@jpeg204you like cliches. Because this movie was full of character moments but they just didn't do the quiet moment. So you rely on common narration themes to comprehend and feel comfortable with a story. What happened to appreciating a challenge?
@@jpeg204The moment near the beginning where Oppenheimer nearly poison/kills his professor and the sudden guilt/remorse he had tells you everything about him in the simplest and most scale-down manner. The film beyond that explores and expands on that in the proceeding events and incidents.
Plus you get to see Florence Pugh naked several times yeah!!!!
@@jpeg204you just don't understand the film nor Oppenheimer as a person.
The score constantly playing makes the Trinity Test scene so much more powerful. You go from constant ambiance to sustained absolute silence before being rocked by the impact of the blast.
I think it actually helps the movie especially considering it’s run time.
I think that scene would have been much better in complete silence.
They were testing the world’s first atomic bomb. I think the tension of the situation could have spoken for itself. Didn’t need the score constantly insisting how I should feel.
But if you are a baby and need to be told what’s happened if and how to feel about it all the time then that’s cool I guess
@@KyeussAre you hating on music💀
@@liammitchell1310 lol the application of music
@@Kyeussthat scene is supposed to help us understand how everyone involved in the project felt. they were excited, they were scared, they were curious, they were concerned. the kind of tension they felt wasn't supposed to be silent. i think the score amplified all of those emotions and even complemented them greatly, so that when reality sets in and they realise that the bomb did go off, that's when silence is needed. but not for them, that's for us. because they don't know yet the scale of the monster they actually created
@@Kyeuss Did you read my full comment and/or watch the movie? Around the time of the test itself there is no sound. It’s complete silence. Until you’re rocked by the ‘impact’ of the bomb.
the second rewatch added so much to me, it brought all the tiny decisions and emotions up front and it felt so deeply connected to oppenheimer and all the tragedy around it. Im a nuclear physicist so i didnt have any issue with the physics shit but even then i felt breathless keeping up with how intense it is.
You are not a nuclear physicist
@@Omni_Editz_-sn4fi tf lol
You've just expressed all I've been feeling about this movie since I've watched it. I think it's a really overwhelming movie, so much information to process, the incredible music and sound design, the performances, the dialogues... I came out of the theatre mentally exhausted. I was a bit disappointed by the fact that I also had a hard time feeling a connection to the characters or strong emotions, because that's how I usually love the movies I watch. I love feeling deep sadness, happiness, anger and so on... on this one it's very subtle and some scene are indeed emotional, but I would have loved a deep dive into a more personal/emotional side of Oppenheimer. Overall loved the film and going to watch it a second time to fully appreciate the performances and cinematography.
totally agreed! great comment!
You encapsulated exactly what I’ve experienced watching this movie. We seem to have had the exact same experience, maybe I should see it a second time as well
Yes exactly my feelings, great way to express!
I found it hard to follow as well. I thought maybe it was just me….too many scientists to keep track of too, who was supportive, who wasn’t? They all started to blend together. I thought that maybe it was just me. I notice whenever I watch a mafia type movie/show I have a hard time following all the secondary guys…..that all just start looking alike to me, lol. Also, all the time jumping made you constantly have to recalibrate…..where are we time wise, etc. Is there a reason it couldn’t have been chronological?
true, there's a tragic scene of one of the character and i literally felt nothing
I'm still unsure if I was trembling and twitching during the 2nd half of the film because of how terrifying this was or because I was holding my pee the whole time. The AC was too cold for my filipino-non-airconditioned-household-ahh.
san ka nanood haha
ik u didn't want to miss anything lmao
What Lmfaooo are you low on testosterone???
Eyyyy where did you watch man? Ako rin I can't go out and pee because I would miss some of the scenes
someone during the intermission said "i wish they'd drop the bomb on this theater, the ac is too cold" 💀
It felt like a 3 hour long trailer because of how fast paced it was lol. not complaining though it was amazingly overwhelming
especially the way the first half hour of the movie was edited together, it genuinely felt like i was watching a trailer (in a good way tho)
@@stewyyishimYeah I noticed that as well in the first half hour but then it sorta went away. Didn’t really like that style
@@Top_Hat_Walrus i wasnt crazy abt it initially, but it kinda grew on me the more i think abt it
No joke, when I first watched it I was worried I had the wrong screen and was watching a preview lmao
Almost like a Michael Bay movie 😂
Yes, keep the Barbenhemier videos flowing! I love that "Dark Mamma" is also trending, since both "The Dark Knight" and "Mamma Mia" are also tonally different movies which happened to share a release date in 2008.
2008 and 2023 are testimonial times in movie history. Keep it up with the comments.
The Dark Knight released the same weekend that the Avatar The Last Airbender series finale premiered. A GOAT week in media history.
'The Dark Mamma' how _convenient_ for online 'people'.
I personally thought it was hard to keep up with the amount of characters in the movie. They would drop names it is somewhat hard to remember who is who. But this could be chalked up as me not remembering enough lol
Ive read about most of the scientists in this movie and I still couldnt keep up 100% at least they cast actors who looked distinct and were easy to identify
I think a lot of people are used to knowing every character, so it provokes anxiety when they watch a movie where the characters names basically don’t matter. Nolan doesn’t care, they basically could have had no names.
So many characters. I could never keep track of them and remember the connection to Oppenheimer. And such a confusing storytelling. My head is spinning. 😔
I respect Nolan’s decision to go for historical accuracy; he doesn’t go for composite characters, he shows just how large the community and team was in Los Alamos that needed to ensure the Manhattan Project’s success. Casting and direction did a good job with trying to make the characters as distinct as possible with little screentime.
@@caleblim6890 I also think everyone knows of them, just not their names. Like, the names aren’t very important in the film, but if you are someone that gets anxious about not knowing the names for some reason, then it will be distracting. I think Nolan frequently has unnamed characters in his films, because sometimes it’s kind of part of it to not know everyone and have good dialogue. Many of the scientists were legit unnamed in the script, but that’s on purpose. Their notion, their image, their words and impression was more important than their name, and naming characters like that would just be distracting itself
In 20 years from now July 21st 2023 will definitely be talked about in future film history. Barbenheimer has been an amazing experience!
Yep, just as July 18th 2008 was the year of the "Dark Mamma", and with a Christopher Nolan Film to boot!
The meme will be talked about for sure, but as for the actual films... Oppenheimer will by far and away be remembered more and have a bigger impact on society.
@@israelp348 not quite sure, both movies deal with weapons of mass destruction, one destroys cities, the other masculinity...
This sort of weird but after I watched Oppenheimer last four days ago and today I currently watch Hayao Miyazaki’s Film Wind Rises.
The both films are polar opposite of course, however these both has in common, the Protagonist’s creations.
I will start Jiro in Wind Rises, his dreamed is to make planes because they are art and wanted travel much faster other than trains. but when he made his iconic airplane which is Zero Figher, the Japanese government used his creations for war and cost millions of lives. All he ever wanted make planes because they are art and beautiful, he never wanted use it as a weapon. Same goes to Robert Oppenheimer who created atomic bomb was used as a weapon even though his true intentions are made it a deterrent,push the limits of physics and used it a warning to end WW2, not to use it
Either way are both masterpieces of cinema
Oppenheimer has best Cinematography ever while Wind Rises best 2D animations
in what context? i could see it being studied in marketing classes but film history doesn’t usually go all into “box office weekends” and stuff like that. while oppenheimer is an important film for this point in history and where we all are culturally, im not sure if its important in quite that way.
one of my favorite small moments was when oppenheimer was giving his speech after the bomb had been dropped. all the voices cut out, but one cuts out slightly after the rest, and the scream sounds like one of terror and pain. it scared the absolute shit out of me
That was a fantastic little bit! I’ve seen some people saying that the movie was too sympathetic towards Oppenheimer and it was “American militaristic propaganda” or some shit, but that little bit alone proves it wrong, I think. There’s an underlying immense horror to it that clearly comes across.
The way everything goes silent and Oppenheimer envisions the crowd get incinerated in the Hiroshima blast just before the cheering cuts back in. Fucking terrifying.
When I was a kid I went to the Hiroshima Memorial Museum of the Bombing. There was a display of mannequins showing how the bombing effected people and it terrified me as a kid for about a week.
Anyways this movie made me re-realize this fear I had…
Don’t start none, won’t be none.
The most overwhelming theater experience I've ever had.
I saw it in 70 mm Imax, whole theater packed on a Sunday morning, and Jesus Christ. I never thought I was sensitive to sounds before but there were moments I jumped or cowered in my seat from the noise, the post Hiroshima and Nagasaki speech with the thunderous clapping and stomping shook the theater, it felt like it was actually happening. The first hour flew by, and I wished it slowed a bit in some parts but once Groves is introduced and the Manhattan Project is underway, we see more sustained moments and shots, which I appreciated.
I knew basic information about Oppenheimer beforehand and who was playing who in the film, so I did not have a hard time with keeping up with characters as others did. I found it amazing how every character could honestly have their own film made about their life, not just because of who they are but how they are presented within the film. They may be minor in appearance but the actors did a good job at showing the interiority of the characters, they felt like people with stories despite us seeing a them at a glance or two.
I can't stop thinking about this movie. It was a true experience and regardless of whether I go to the theaters again for a rewatch, it will never be replicated again.
Facts. I watched it in 70mm, and I felt like I was actually in the movie. It was insane.
I totally agree that they could’ve gone in more detail on Oppenheimer’s inner psyche. The best scenes in the movie are the ones that focus on his mind, yet it feels like they could’ve done more with it. Still an excellent watch regardless.
I think it was also very touching that most of the scientists who were being testified during that private hearing, all of them had great and personal reasons to defend Oppenheimer. The movie made it seem like all the scientists and his closest friends were against him but Nolan turned it around and delivered the remaining testimonies, revealing that they respect him.
I liked that a lot in the film.
Of course he made the monster look like a hero.
@@alexstar5182 He's not a monster dude. War just makes people desperate, and careless sometimes.
@@alexstar5182He didn't make him look like a "hero". He still showed his negative side like being unfaithful to his partner etc.
When Oppenheimer stuck his head out the safety hatch and yelled “Heeeeeere’s Oppppppy” before detonating the bomb I got chills. Truly a thrilling spectacle.
Walking out of Oppenheimer had me thinking how to set up my own nuclear fall out shelter in my basement
I went to see it twice, and I can honestly say that on the first watch, I couldn't grasp everything that was happening, but the 2nd watch made everything in the film come together so well, truly a marvel of cinematic storytelling...... plus IMAX 70mm is insane and I hope movies in the future release prints that make moviegoing more than just a hobby but an overall experience such as Oppenheimer
Love this movie. Oppenheimer is the film that makes me scare of nukes and atomic bombs way more, but it’s also a great political drama as well as a Scientific Biopic.
Literally revealed nothing new about nukes but I guess it makes ignorant people slightly more educated.
@jokuihmehyyppa no need for that. I think he means the magnitude and scale and damage of his findings is so much more daunting and apparent
@@kadeerkhan9802 If someone says this shitty movie made them more scared of nukes it can only mean that they have been absolutely ignorant about the topic before. Which is absurd especially when we are yet again living through a time when an all out nuclear war is closer than ever.
@@jokuihmehyyppaAs a reformed Nuclear Engineering student this movie was The Bomb
@@noelvalenzarro Yet it revealed nothing new about nukes and thus my original response still stands.
SPOILER WARNING!!!!!
The scene where Oppenheimer addresses the Los Alamos crowd after getting confirmation that the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima was legitimately one of the most tense and hair-rasing one I've ever seen. The panic that sets in his heart, the imagery... All of it gave me goosebumps and I just can't stop thinking about it!
Definitely!! Super surreal experience! It feels super uncomfortable and that camera shake in the background of Oppenheimer slowly getting more intense is crazy!
oh no u spoiled hiroshima and nagasaki for mee broooo :/
@@Blakalomy” everyone else “
@@Blakalomystop spreading lies. How would you even make a sequel to this
I fully agree with you on that post-bombing speech scene. I think that is the closest Nolan has ever got to straight-up horror, like, psychologically powerful horror. It's incredible how he managed to blur the lines between horror (the destructive nature of what happened to those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) and the imagination (not explicitly showing that destruction, except for abstract visuals and sounds), so its mostly up to the audience to think about just how terrible the bombings were, whilst being trapped in the tormented mind of the man responsible for its existence. I didn't even think the movie was some flawless masterpiece, but that scene alone has stuck with me and truly reminds me of the power of art.
"It's Oppen time" is probably the greatest line of dialogue uttered on the big screen. You could hear a pin drop in the movie theater.
The scene where Oppenheimer'd all over the girl's chest is funny af....instant classic
Oppen gangnam style 😔
I was tearing up… nolan is a genius
I don't know if anyone could've pulled off the role like Cillian did. Its fucking insane how he can convey emotions with just his eyes. I am so happy he finally got such role. I could literally watch him just smoke cigarettes in peaky blinders for hours, Such an underrated talent.
watch old footage of Oppenheimer and he almost captured him...chilling
This makes me a bit sad that I didn't come out of this movie with more of a reaction, while a friend I went with was blown away. I kind of walked away feeling "That was such an interesting look into history, how neat" and I think I wish I felt more.
That was my biggest concern, and I’ve seen it twice. Maybe it was because Oppenheimer was portrayed as lacking or hiding his own emotions, (except for when Jean did the thing), but I was upset that I wasn’t more upset while watching it. (And I cried twice watching Barbie.)
This 100% I knew everything technically wise was good and the story is interesting as hell, but I came out feeling empty lol Like I missed something
Yeah I wish I went in knowing just how much of a thriller this movie is. I was kind of expecting a dedicated biopic, when really it's just a thriller following Oppenheimer's life. With how much of a jerk Oppenheimer was, I wish this movie emphasized his brilliance more. I wish this movie emphasized the science more. Maybe a second watch will temper my expectations better.
@@plato8427 what?
I felt the same, I enjoyed it but wasn't thrilled
Most brilliant aspect for me is the usege of sound and visuals to help present oppenheimer's feelings. Many examples but the best one for me is the way the feet stamping is used to show his guilt and enxiety
Say that again, I couldn’t hear what you said. !
Saw it last night, i appreciate how, in the few scenes that it's present, Trinity seems like something otherwordly, bigger than life. It's an instrument capable of completely wiping out an entire town of people and even more, and when you see it its just a medium sized sphere with tape. But the way everyone treats it so carefully, when oppenheimer goes up and contemplates it before they blow it up. It feels foreign. You always see the blast but never what causes it. Idk the way it was framed stayed w me a lot
Also there's a few moments where you hear a geiger counter going haywire alongside the score and it really adds to what they're really about to do
I definitely found the non-chronological storytelling to feel a lot more natural in this film and less flashy than his previous works. Most of the interrogation stuff in the future would often serve as a narrative framework to set up what we would cut to in the past, and then anytime someone in the past was worried about the future it would cut to the consequences of those events. The emotional arc was consistent and made the time jumps feel perfectly logical and never jarring or confusing. I kinda loved it!
You’re right, it felt a bit clunky at first. I saw it again and it flowed perfectly. Seeing a masterpiece for the first time is a bit confusing.
100% agree. This masterwork needs at least two watches. We did 3!
This is crazy a minute ago i was just thinking about when is karsten releasing oppie video
Karsten must have read your mind! 😁😉
@@trinaq he must’ve!!!
Cillian Murphy does a great job at looking absolutely haunted throughout the movie, I love it.
This is Nolan’s Barry Lyndon. I think people will appreciate its ambition over time, it aims to encapsulate a whole (tragic and epic) lifetime
I think his Barry Lyndon is TENET.
@@mahbubulhaque735Interesting take, how so? Barry Lyndon is intensely intimate, empathic & human - TENET is deliberately cold
@@mahbubulhaque735 No, OP is right. Kubrick pushed the limits of the medium with Barry Lyndon (a new lens had to be developed to film in such low light). Nolan pushed the limits of the medium with Oppenheimer (kodak had to create new film for B&W exposure). Both are character portraits, both have memorable and intrusive soundtracks.
@@VicLabsAnd both use diverse spaces, tight rooms and spacious valleys.
5:59 Holy shit, i'm so glad someone finally mentioned this but Benny Safdie was INCREDIBLE. Not only is he a REALLY underrated actor but I thought he had the best performance in the movie, only behind Cillian himself.
I overheard someone complain that the Trinity test looked "amateurish" compared to other movies. I fought back the urge to ask which atmospheric nuclear test he had witnessed.
I was a bit let down by the Trinity test, not because it was amateurish though, but I could see where that person is coming from. I had the surreal sequence of The Return, Part 8 with Penderecki playing in mind, and imo that is superior, albeit very different.
It also made the Oppenheimer score feel amateurish to me, since the word is used, especially when thinking of Penderecki. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking and I wanted my favorite living soundtrack composer, Jonny Greenwood, who is Penderecki’s disciple, to score the film.
Granted, the explosion of the implosion bomb sequence was without music iirc, but overall I felt that way. I did like some elements of the score that reminded me of some Sakamoto + Alva Noto solo albums, and it was way better than a predictable Zimmer score.
@@pizzarsvideobut this isn't zimmer, it's ludwig goransson
@@thelastunicorn99 I know, that’s why I said [the Oppenheimer score] is better than a predictable Zimmer score.
Sorry if it wasn’t clear enough.
I can see where he's coming from: the fireball is clearly a gasoline explosion and not accurately resembling the actual Trinity blast. Personally for me, not a really deal-breaker since Nolan still blew up a real bomb.
as someone else has mentioned quite simply and succinctly, it was a fireball. A glorified fireball. For a scene that was so hyped by everyone, especially the director himself, it does the hype very little justice. Also i might be in the minority here, but i would rather have had the explosion and the ear deafening sound happen simulatenously, instead of being a minute apart. TYhe build to the climax inexplicably brilliant, it had the core tenets of a perfect countdown. It truly did feel like horror. Then all the air was let loose quite flacidly when they didnt add the sound along with the visual for the first 30 seconds.
If Nolan every says he made this movie just for that final exchange between Einstein and Oppenheimer, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
I think you're completely right about the clunkiness and lack of emotional connection, because that completely derailed the film for me. I couldn't accept anything the film was trying to tell me because I wasn't given a reason to care
You should care because it’s literally the world you live in
@jetuwu8960 That doesn't mean I should care about the movie. I don't like films that don't connect me to a character or a story or a message or a concept. I didn't feel like this did enough to invest me, and it wasn't saying anything new or unique that I don't already know or feel living in the world that J. Robert Oppenheimer ushered in. This is not a problem unique to this film. I've always had trouble with Nolan's characters, particularly in the past 5-10 years. He's a technical master and has made some of my favorite films (The Prestige being my #1), but I feel like ever since Inception (another one of my favorites), he's been trying to one up himself in structural and conceptual complexity, at the expense of the emotional complexity of his characters. In my opinion, Oppenheimer is the biggest victim of that. It's so dense and so chock full of so many great things, but it ultimately amounts to less than the sum of its parts. It's spread too thin, and the emotional lynchpins that would connect me to the story, aren't given enough time to breathe and develop. I personally never felt like I could connect to Oppy in any way. I couldn't name one character trait about him or anyone else in the film, because they didn't feel like human characters, they felt like deliverers of information. All of the actors did an excellent job with their characters and did as much as they could to elevate the material, but I found the dialogue to be clunky and unconvincing. A lot of the film felt written and edited like a trailer. It was full of one-liners and audience-gasp moments. It felt so self-serious that I couldn't help but find a lot of it unintentionally funny. Particularly Florence Pugh's comically cliche introduction, followed less than a minute later by her sitting on Oppy's dick having him read "I am become Death..." off her tits. I just found that to be distasteful and indicative of the film's priorities. In my opinion, Oppenheimer is a shallow movie that wants to be cool and poignant at the same time. And while it is very cool, it ultimately fails to be poignant. At least to me
@@jcmurie have to agree
@@jcmurieThe movie is a character study of Oppenheimer’s decision making in the project and the personal consequences he went through from it. The movie is intentionally unbiased and unprejudiced about his legacy and his beliefs. We get to understand how grey his decision making in the project really was in this film.
@petermj1098 you're not gonna convince me to connect to a movie I didn't connect with. I watched the film in 70mm, I understand what it's attempting to do, I read about the production and the filmmaker's intent before and after I saw it, I actively engaged with the film and tried to connect to something, and I still came out feeling the same way I do about half of Nolan's films. It's a technical achievement, with a lot of incredible aspects, that doesn't come together to make something compelling to me. Also, just a note, but Christopher Nolan is the only filmmaker who, when I criticize him on the internet, people jump into the comments to try to convince me to love it. That's not how art or art discussion works. I'd love to hear what you liked about it, but please don't try to convince me to like it by telling me how amazing it is. That just makes me like it less
Literally my exact thoughts. It’s a lot and extremely overwhelming, making it hard to say how much I actually liked it. But I can’t wait to see it again and haven’t stopped thinking about it
As someone who loves history I really loved this film. The historical accuracy throughout is probably why there’s no tragic moment where Oppenheimer breaks down at what he’s done because he didn’t do that in real life. Or if he did, it was an internal struggle.
This film really got me thinking about the Imitation Game and how Turing saved the world through his invention yet no-one knew about it but Oppenheimer creates a literal doomsday device yet everyone knew about it and he was an instant celebrity which says a lot about what we value.
While I did like the Prometheus analogy, there’s one key difference. Prometheus was punished by the gods, Oppenheimer was punished by the men who he gave the fire to. I love this film and I can’t wait for it to available. Imo, this could be Nolan’s best film.
I also did Barbenheimer. A very intense wave of emotions that day. I had to run through a thunderstorm between films too lol
Extremely satisfying to see a review that praises the technical achievement while also acknowledging the emotional detachment. Not saying that's objective, but man it was my experience, "wishing I got a different movie." And it's just nice to see someone else saying it... because it seems like Twitter and Letterboxd can do nothing but shout this film's praises from the highest peaks, nuanced criticism be damned.
Let's face it, at this point we already knew what are the weak points, because it's a Nolan film, and also I don't think anyone (not even Nolan himself) cares about the nuances, because we got we wanted: an insanely epic piece with incredible performances and top notch technical features (and a clunky story obviously, just like in every other Nolan film)
@@szatid2645I think for me the reason I feel this way is because Nolan *has* done exceptional character work before.
My favourite film of his is The Prestige which combines magnificent filmmaking with intriguing, fleshed out characters.
Insomnia & The Dark Knight are the same.
Hell, even Inception has Cobb as a main character who is probably one of the most flawed but we'll written characters in Nolan canon.
It's a fair take to have. I went into the film not knowing what exactly to expect. I was happy with what the film was, but somebody I knew was disappointed with the film because they were hoping for a greater emphasis on the process of the Bomb's construction, and had expected the members team Oppenheimer worked with to have greater roles (and I did too, admittedly). I think the movie should be recognized and judged as a character study of Oppenheimer before a historical dramatization of the Manhattan project. Not everyone preferred that. If I do have one issue with the film, it's sort of how Karsten says he wished the movie looked at Oppenheimer's psyche more. As a character study, it does a great job showing all the conflicting emotions Oppenheimer feels, but the way feelings are shown to impact his personal ideas and beliefs aren't touched on as much.
Completely agree
This was the first movie I've seen in theater while wearing my apple watch it alerted me of my BPM being over 125 for a sustained period during the whole leadup of the trinity test drop. I knew what was going to happen but my body was so worried that it didn't know how to react but to just go into that state of suspense. I saw it on Thursday and its Tuesday and I'm still thinking about it.
It is the use of certain range of sound frequency (not necessarily a complete song) in all Nolan's movies that hypnotizes the audience consistently which make them uncomfortable, yet cause them to be unable to make a conscious effort to leave the theatre is what creates an alienated sense (we are no longer our normal selves kind of feelings) after watching Nolan's movies. Be aware: this can become a very addictive yet immersive movie experience!
its like a reallllly long trailer
Wow, that's such an accurate description
I cried when Oppenheimer met Barbie, merged together & became Barbenheimer: the chaotically wholesome entity
I have become Barbenheimer, destroyer of parents’ wallets
This film rewards repeat viewings. I felt it was clunky on a first watch. On a second I see it as brilliant and such an immense achievement. Honestly, I want to watch it again, which is insane because for each of my viewings I became deeply uncomfortable both internally and in my legs lol
Yes!! I felt like I understood everything so much better on the 2nd viewing
I loved the part where Albert Einstein’s hat flies off and Oppenheimer picks it up and tells him “It’s bombin time!” And they bombed all over the place.
😂😂😂😂
The Trinity test was absolutely fantastic. That minute and change between when you see the explosion and *feel* the shockwave had me tensed way up
(Also had the luck to be able to watch it on 70mm IMAX film. Absolutely incredible viewing experience)
I love how you go from watching Barbie in a pink outfit, to watching oppeinheimer to go to a Beyoncé concert, everything in a week lol
I think the big thrilling scenes of the scientific process kind of reflects how the scientists might have felt being so lost in the discovery, occasionally emerging from the passion of it to remember the weapon they were creating.
You just articulated all the thoughts I've had since watching it. It left me feeling inspired, fearful and scared, all in one. I was left very perplexed and couldn't really process everything. But I think that's what art is. It's meant to move you. Let it be felt and not fully understood.
My favorite image in the movie was at the very end, where Oppenheimer is in Borden’s plane. Maybe it’s just that Oppenheimer is placed in the shoes of those who tried to take him down, but it always gets me.
The Trinity test and Oppenheimer giving his speech where he was having a panic attack was so intense i actually felt my heart pounding in my head LOL. Also being in a full theater and everyone experiencing it for the first time, being on the edge of their seats, was probably one of the best theater experiences i have had.
I think you’ve help me realise a bit why I don’t know how to feel about this film. I think I spent so much of the film just trying to keep up with who is who and what’s going on that I never really settled into the story or characters. I had know idea the whole time who Robert Downey Jrs Character was or what he wanted or what he has to do with the whole thing haha I think I need to see it again
The ending and the speech scene have me in a chokehold. Literally can’t think of anything else at the moment
I didn’t notice the music being so prevalent throughout the film, but you’re right now that I think about it. It was so well done and actually worked
I missed Barbenheimer over the weekend 😭. Looking forward to seeing them this week
Funnily enough, there's a great Auralnauts parody where McConaughey reflects on the right ordre in which to watch _Barbie_ and _Oppenheimer_ . He even compares it to the time _Space Balls_ and _Full Metal Jacket_ came out on the same date and wonders if the correct way to name the event was _Space Jacket_ or _Full Metal Balls_ 🤣🤣
As has been the case with Nolan for his last two films, I find myself impressed by the scope, the visuals, the editing and the performances more than I am by the storytelling or the character work.
The technicals are what stand out more than anything meaty or character-focused.
Really wish we had more time with Oppenheimer post-Trinity to get to the nitty gritty of his psychological shift and grappling with his oversight of the A-bombs invention more... But Nolan doesn't seem interested in that sort of deep dive into character that much anymore.
Certainly doesnt help this film that I generally dont enjoy Biopics.
I think the reason why I love Nolan's earlier work (specifically The Prestige, Insomnia & The Dark Knight) is how well written his characters are, wheras Dunkirk/Tenet/Oppenheimer are all more interested in *Events* over character.
Left me feeling that the film was both too long and undercooked.
Not a bad thing, just personal taste.
Definitely worth checking out though and im seeing it again this weekend.
Solid 3/5.
Man, you put everything I've trying to say about this movie but I couldn't
First honest comment Ive seen here.
Watching this in theatre the build up to the bomb was wild just looking around at this theatre full of people all gripped by the suspense was very inspiring
The music helps cover up the sound of the very loud IMAX camera which you can still hear in the background.
Saw it last week Thursday and again Friday afternoon. Second viewing really, really hit the emotional gravitas that you're talking about. Highly recommend seeing it again. I personally didn't experience the clunkiness that you're referring to and think this is Nolan's best since Interstellar. Those two films are so different from one another but I think they exist on different sides of the same emotional coin. Stellar video!
Oppenheimer's speech scene and the Trinity test are scenes that are going to be sticking in my mind likely for years to come, actually got chills down my spine.
I also loved how his guilt hallucinations wasn't just a one off moment, for the rest of the movie following the bombings, Oppenheimer has the building around him shake whenever he's feeling the weight of his actions or sees the bomb's flash around him. This movie does an absolutely incredible job at expressing real guilt and emotion with a combination of incredible visuals and top notch acting from Cillian Murphy.
I felt absolutely the same and haven’t been able to put into words… thank you for giving us a voice!
The next couple of days after watching this movie I realize that i felt incredibly connected to the Oppenheimer portrayed in the movie, not in a '' Oh i relate to him '' way like most movie would want you to feel, Nolan managed to almost make me feel his emotions and his distress, and i dont think ive ever experienced that in a movie, like, ever. I really did not expect that from Nolan, even after he stated that the movie was from oppenheimer's point of view, but after watching it, it really felt like overwhelming emotions just came out of me, i was walking downtown Montreal just absolutely absorbed in this guy's mind. I've really never experienced that.
This is a perfect encapsulation of what I feel. I kept thinking the clunkiness that you describe and the "disjointed" flow of the movie had some purpose and I kept looking for some overarching theme that would explain it but sadly there was none to be found. It just feels like there are many stories and vignettes from Oppenheimer's biography that Nolan couldn't or didn't want to cut out but couldn't find a cohesive way to string together. Except for moments of sheer acting brilliance from Cillian Murphy, the rest of the movie lacked the emotional weight that was so brilliant thrust upon the audience in his best movies. Still an incredible watch on a big screen.
Thank you, looking around at the other comments here, its clear people have drunk the Nolan kool-aid again. It's like people no the name of one modern director and have latched onto him like everything he does is magic. There was no need for the editing and sound choices in this film. I just wanted to see a good movie about a complex man that told his story. The writing and acting should have been enough to carry the film, without the directorial tricks.
PEople here talking about how terrified and trembling they were whilst watching it, lol what the hell.
Loved the movie, but through a decent amount of it, I felt like I was always missing something. There were so many names, events, references, etc. Sometimes you couldn’t hear what they said, sometimes they’d just drop a name that hasn’t been mentioned in forever or they were just a side character. It was sometimes tough to wrap your head around.
The second half was absolutely gripping. Time flew during it, and the ending was great. I’m hoping to give it another watch to see if I can fully wrap my head around everything.
I appreciated that you went with ambient music for this review instead of cabaret piano 🙂
Walking out of Oppenheimer and seeing all the same people walking over to view Barbie next is one of the greatest feelings.
I really hope this movie gets some award attention, so many great performances in this movie along with all the great technical aspects.
i personally love how it was not dumbed down. he treated this situation with respect, and i know it sounds dumb, but it felt like a mature movie for once. it was so refreshing for a movie to test me and give me an immersive experience.
I had the same reaction as you - kind of wanting more depth (in the psyche) over the breadth. But I do plan to rewatch this week to see if I appreciate it all more a second time.
wait wait wait.. so you are telling me that the whole time there was music playing in the background? damn.. I was so mesmerized by the plot and the visuals that i didnt even realise!! that just made the movie even better for me 😍
I definitely recommend multiple viewings. It was’t until my third viewing that I truly connected with the emotional weight of Oppenheimers journey. Each consecutive viewing was more enjoyable, and on the third Cillian had me in tears with his performance. Can also highly recommend the book "the general and the genius" (free with audible membership) which details the relationship of Groves and Oppie.
I honestly don't know how you sat through nine hours of oppenheimer
it was a blast
my gripe was the "objective" black and white vs. the "subjective" in color jumps -- only because the B&W didn't seem so much objective, but rather focused on Lewis Strauss' (RDJ) subjective frustrations with Oppenheimer, so that effect felt lost or muddy as to its true story telling intention. It just didn't feel like those black and white moments stepped back enough to tell paint the objective reality around that period. All of that is to say the performances were amazing.
I think, despite how Nolan described it in an interview, Strauss's sections didn't have necessarily a "objective" view of the world but literally a black and white view of the world. Strauss thinks so stringently of things with no nuance, he can't even consider other options to anything than his base initial reaction. Oppenheimer's view of the world was much more nuanced which is why it was in color.
Benny Safdie plays hungarian physiciyst/fatherof H-bomb Ede Teller. As a Hungarian i rellay loved every scenes he particitpated in. there are so many side-stories here. but all of them together make the proper story.
Great review. Definitely seems like one to watch several times to really understand and one that offers a lot of different new ideas to ponder on multiple viewings.
I can't praise this film enough. Every element, technically and dramatically was first rate. It was so immersive and its still sitting with me days later.
My only criticism of the film is that the sound design is too bombastic and impressive for it's own good. The details and impacts that are so crucial to the big moments related to the bomb and Oppenheimer's own psyche simply won't come through on anything other than a well tuned theater surround system.
I almost feel like Nolan's movies should have alternate mixes for home systems, because the grandiose moments will simply feel cheap.
Other than that, I have nothing to say. A walk and talk biopic has never made me sweat before, that's an achievement.
Nolan is always for the theatrical experience. So I don't he would want to remix his sound mix for home systems. It's always going to be 5.1 surround. And he has the clout to keep it that way.
@@CharlieA24 I am from the same school of theatrical thinking and I completely understand the drive to makr the movie theater experience the best one, but it simply isn't realistic for a film's long term life. People are gonna watch this in 5, 10+ years, on laptops and phones and home screens
@@ileutur6863 Why wouldn't it be good for long-term life? If multiple versions of the movie were floating around it'll become harder down the line to find a copy with the original audio. The theatre mix can always be downmixed, but you can't upmix a stereo track to 5.1
The score thing was an achievement because I pay sooo much attention to it as I am professional cellist myself and I obsess about the music in films. But even though it was everywhere, it truly didn't bother me (which was my biggest gripe with Man of Steel)
The score and editing really gave me a Terrence Malick Feel
For me the overall message of “listen to the warnings” is what made it great for me. Oppenheimer looked at it pragmatically from the start, and warned everyone not to use them ever again. The government didn’t listen and look where we are today.
I absolutely loved this, despite being 90% dialogue the part towards the end in the hearing where all the secrets got unveiled, the music got louder and the audio from the bomb test began to re-roll (anticipating another “bang” sound). Literally had me on the edge of my seat, then to go cold silent. The audio in every aspect was amazing. Will be back to see it again
I agree about the detail of the writing. I think the script is the only aspect of the film holding it back, but it makes a huge difference. I think a lot of the runtime could have been cut down, so that it can spend more time on the most important scenes, instead of rushing through basically everything.
the final scene, with the music picking up after his conversation with einstein, is one of the most memorable scenes ive ever seen in a movie. that was incredible
you perfectly verbalized my own complicated feelings towards this movie. my conclusion was that it had to be done that way, it was practically a perfect movie. the cost of making it so all-encompassing (in terms of visuals, length of the storyline, sound) was some of the depth/feeling of connectedness. maybe it IS impossible to get closer emotionally to such a complicated character. the events that happened and snowballed are what stand between him and the rest of us normal people. I also noticed that to me all of Murphy's performances feel a bit distant, it's a unique quality that leaves you restless, yet intrigued. lastly, Florence Pugh was wronged, I did not like the writing for her character
This sort of weird but after I watched Oppenheimer last four days ago and today I currently watch Hayao Miyazaki’s Film Wind Rises.
The both films are polar opposite of course, however these both has in common, the Protagonist’s creations.
I will start Jiro in Wind Rises, his dreamed is to make planes because they are art and wanted travel much faster other than trains. but when he made his iconic airplane which is Zero Figher, the Japanese government used his creations for war and cost millions of lives. All he ever wanted make planes because they are art and beautiful, he never wanted use it as a weapon. Same goes to Robert Oppenheimer who created atomic bomb was used as a weapon even though his true intentions are made it a deterrent,push the limits of physics and used it a warning to end WW2, not to use it
Either way are both masterpieces of cinema
Oppenheimer has best Cinematography ever while Wind Rises best 2D animations
I was really surprised by how fast it went, incredible movie
The constant music keeps up the pace of the move and reflects what a TIME pressured scenario this was (a key theme of Nolan’s films).