I Looked At My Wonderkid’s Potential, It Was Insane
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
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The Twitch save has come to a close, a dramatic journeyman that took us across the globe, time to do something I’ve never done before. It’s time to look at the ability and potential ability of our players.
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Zealand
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'Why are you not developing?' he yelled, looking at a profile screen with an 'unambitious' personality...
Adding him to a great mentoring group is the only way.
Been playing for quite a long time and I never even see that “unambitious” personality.
@@mrartdecoHow? Each of my intake has at least 2 of those despite having ton of model citizens in coaching staff
the next level after "star ratings are lying" is "CA / PA is misleading"
After that, the stat ratings are lying
I had a Greek attacking midfielder with 169 pa. He led Greece to win the World Cup as thier only good player. Ballon d'Or winner, multiple seasons top of the Premier League assists and average ratings charts. Most of the other top players winning awards are in the high 180s.
Obviously high PA is better but so many other factors like stat distribution, team mates, personallity, luck play a large part too.
They are. Stats distribution is more important. Try using GenieScout and you will see CA, PA and also current and potential ability at his best position. Player at 150PA can have much higher compatibility with his best position than a player at 180PA. Simple example... Do you rly need your winger to have 18 heading?
Next up: attributes are lying
@@kamilosowski3889I had a Ramdeuter with 18 heading, and made the best the best partnership with the opposite side wingback. Dude scored 37 goals on the bundesliga, most were headers.
Ramdeuters are fun.
We all know that Lehlamela Badboy must be the number 1
200 potential
The first 220 PA player in FM history
"Look how they massacred my boy"
footedness takes up a significant chunk of CA/PA points - an either footed player is always going to look worse in attributes
Yeah, if a player is far off their potential ability then making them either footed is sensible
@@deeznoots6241 you can only train weak foot up to reasonable you can't go any higher . so the most it can go is 9-11/20 usually it cuts off at . Either footed can only be generated but cannot be trained similar with anything above reasonable weak foot. that's how the game works
What's more - different available positions eat up CA points. Traits eat up CA points. All those things that the computer does automatically out of boredom will limit the way a player can improve.
I really think this game needs a rework in development, the way the attributes impact a player, the CA/PA system, mentoring etc. Although I doubt one will come for the next 20 years.
I was not ready for Z to be wearing a Dagenham and Redbridge jersey today.
I know not seen him for months first video and he’s wearing my clubs colours !
@@davidfordham4066 I lived on Reede Road as a kid, less than 5 mins walk from Victoria Road. 20 yrs later I'm in living Ontario, Canada, and there's the Dagger colours. It's a weird thing to see so early in the morning.
I bet it is glad to see the daggers are now world wide.
Seca being 198 was expected, that guy had exceptional numbers for attacking mid or playmaker, but was also very good at lots of other things like work rate, jumping reach, shooting etc. which you simple can't do with extremely high CA/PA. So much going on though it is always hard to tell, like positions, either footedness, and traits will take up CA. Then there are CA free attributes, like flair or determination etc. that can make a player look a lot better than his CA. Then of course some attributes are hugely CA hungry like pace and acceleration, but at the same time a very good distribution of attributes for the position/role of the player + things like consistency, big matches, pressure being good can make like a 160 CA player into a complete world beater, especially if they are in a good system, with good morale and good partnerships.
Like for example someone like Ward-Prowse is about a 155-157 CA player, but I've had him consistently been part of title winning and champions league winning teams, of course party because of his set piece ability but also because he is very determined, works very hard, is consistent, has a good personality, has great stamina and natural fitness. Together with solid enough other technical abilities so he will just consistently perform at a high level in a good system and good role, even though he doesn't have that world class currently ability.
I like to sometimes do tests and what I've noticed is that the hidden mentals, together with determination, natural fitness and stamina Are the most important in general, if those stats are high, has decent ability overall, then you always have a good player om your hands no matter the level of football you're playing. And 150-160 players with 15s and 16s in those stats will easily win the CL in a good setup.
But even average players in a league like the 3.liga in Germany, if you have a player with 14s in those stats, and the rest are around 10 to 12 in some stats that are important for his role, CA can be equal to or less than the league, but you'll win it easily. Got dynamo dresden from 3. Liga to bundesliga in 2 seasons doing this, player mentality and fitness seems way more important in the long run than the overall ca, if they can compete that enough, cuz they will compete at their highest level almost every single time.
It is also easier to keep the club happy and motivated this way.
"Seca's current ability is 198?! Do you know how crazy that is?"
Those of us who watched the series. "Not at all"
Robbed of the ballon d'or
the newgen Facepack is an integral part of every FM installment and I simply cannot play without it!
I will miss Zealand saying "no coaching badges and playing experience" for the 200000000 time in a year
For the first 3 months of the same he kept saying "no playing badges and coaching experience
The fact you're wearing a Daggers shirt just makes me smile in a way you couldn't possibly imagine. You don't even really see them when walking around Dagenham itself.
Bro, your videos are gold.
Z wearing the Dagenham & Redbridge shirt? Let's go repping a great club
Z you now have an obligation to continue the save purely so you can fully develop Luka Jasch for us Aussies
Zealand, I’m loving these uploads at the moment
This is a really fun idea for a video. You should do this every year
I remember one wonderkid who came up through my academy in a save and different coaches said he was best suited for a different position - AML, ML, MC, AMC, DMC, AMR... He ended up primarily being AML and AMC, but his versatilty was so much fun to have in the squad!
One of my best players was 163 PA winger amidst a squad of 180+. Sometimes it happens. From my experience, with at least 170 PA you can make players as good as those who are 190+ PA.
That editing and effects in this video are so good. Editors should be working om tv and movies. Damn!
This really proved the vid about the star rating lol
I'm surprised you haven't done this more, I always enjoyed doing this on my old saves when I start playing another FM release.
In my case my feel for where my team is: Is mostly not that good (nor bad) with one or two absolute bangers. :P
Z - Why are you not devoleping for a year???
Andas - Why should I? I am unambitious....
I'd be fascinated to know if and how they're developing this into FM25. I like that the star ratings can be wrong and that we can't predict how good players will be. A more dynamic potential ability range may end up being the outcome rather than specific numbers.
I was a season ticket holder at Dagenham & Redbridge for 3 years and still visit the ground frequently, didn’t expect to see their badge in a Zealand video 😂
Might be fun to deep dive on Fabian and others to run a test on how the various hidden attributes/personalities affect development. My guess is he had low professionalism, which isn't always obvious from an "Unambitious" personality, and probably needed to be cooking in a mentor group instead of being out on loan. Would be interesting to drill into the reason!
A scout once recommended me a random french kid from some lower division side in france. I was managing Boardeux in fm19, very good save that was. So anyways for like 14k i got this kid and i saw he had high star rating for his potential, but imagine the shock on my face when i went into the editor and saw he had 197 potential.
Wow, I am amazed how well you're pronouncing some of these names, like Lusiusz and Mazurkiewicz, which are Polish, great job!
What ive noticed in a few of the simulations ive done in this fm is there is a lot more 200pa wonderkids coming in the game.
in my lincoln city save i reviewed it with all the pas and stuff after a decade in game and there were 2 players with 200 pa and they were both 26 which meant they both came in in the same year through the first youth intake. never really seen that in fm before.
I'd maybe argue that this is reflective of what is happening in real youth football. A lot of changes that came about in England after the EPPP scheme were things about not letting parents stop the game being fun, and as a result, more kids who would slip through the cracks have hung around and ended up developing. The problem was not so much about one nation having better potential kids than another, just that some countries like Holland had a much healthier culture that let more kids blossom
The AI struggles very much with making good teams without the best players, leading to the game getting much easier as time goes on, it makes sense that there are better players being thrown around so that big teams like Barca and city don't just have 3 mediocre players in their starting 11 each game, the player is much less susceptible to this as we'll often have high turnover rates
Zealand wearing a Daggers shirt! what a lad
How did you use game editor in a save that you earlier couldnt had? I want to do this in one of my saves
I've played several saves with a squad view that shows CA and PA and mentals and I have to say, you can definitely win the prem with a squad averaging about 140-145 CA as long as you are good at the rest of the game. It does help if you have a couple players closer to 160 but I won with Blackburn 1st season up after overhauling the squad with guys around the 135-145 mark. I find that past the 160 CA mark, a 160 player played in the correct role can be just as effective as a player rated 180+.
I don't see the link to the save in the description?
same
Maybe its on discord?
@@condlaeirkrsrma7069 The save download link is available on FM Base but the link was probably forgotten here and will be added later.
was looking for the same.
@@condlaeirkrsrma7069 it is on FM Base, the link was forgotten and will probably be added later.
I love when i have late bloomers and still perform over 7.50 in a champions league win with Porto. Sutalo was 139-163, checked for fun, and overall 7.70 scoring the goal to win the final. End of season... 141-163. Loaned him to Man Utd just for fun to use Thiaw....
What filter should i use to be able to see current and potential abilities in game?
bought Estêvão for around 80k (literally has the highest potential range in the game alongside lamine yamal) and every scout i've had rated him as 2-3 star potential
How did you get estevao so cheap though? For the star thingy, again they’re not that trustworthy, plus if you’re managing barca, the standard is quite high.
@@Ganganuk Was actually managing Crystal Palace on my 3rd year, and i genuinely cannot tell you how i got him for that cheap LOL. Had to check multiple times if it was the real estevao and it actually was
@@ahmdyt ah, when you mentioned lamine yamal I thought you managed Barca. There can be a lot of factors for this, like your staffs have low judging PA, Estevao got a terrible injury and his development stalled (which would explain his low value), or sometimes it’s just false negatives, etc
Did he release the Taunton Town save from fm23 too??
I recently found out Bayer Leverkusen had generated a 200 PA player. He was 23 years old and only 118 CA...
What Skin are you using in game? I like the extra info it gives.
In his bio
Never heard the phrase “buns” used in this context before. Will almost certainly be overusing it for ever now. Thanks Z!
Done similar to this before and wondered how ive won so many tournaments as well.
Crazy that he is 20 and already reached his max potential
Z you should check the highest PA in the save. Including the other teams.
DAGENHAM AND REDBRIDGE REPRESENTATION
Joao Pedro won the Ballon d'or for me in our treble winning season and it turned out he had a CA of 163
How do you find that numbers for potential ability?
Ignacio is Wolves manager on my save
I think for the new engine we need a weighted calculation of the CA and PA. There's a lot of difference between a guy who is just better than everybody else physically but mediocre technically and a guy who's above average in both but CA would tell you that both were equally talented.
But that's real life in every sport too
Guys who are more physically gifted than everyone else do not have to be as technically sound to be as good or better. They have talent, its just that the talent is distributed somewhere else
Can you show you're scouts focus? I wanna search for those wonderkids and speedy players! Thanks!
So I've done some work with PA and CA and it's my conclusion that 160 is totally fine for a champions league winner, can be starter, but definitely good enough for a backup. Anything below backup for sure. The game doesn't punish you for "lower" ratings. And yes, a 169 can be worth over 100m easy.
For certain roles you can go even lower. I've had a 145 CA striker win consecutive CL scoring awards on FM20. No physical below 15, 18 in jumping, strength and heading. 14 technique and off the ball IIRC. While a lot were from corners he still got plenty of 1 on 1s and general poacher goals. While my brain told me I had to play my 190+ striker and one of my 175+ ones, the big man was probably better than the lot of them in the game despite the numbers.
@@AFant I think you're right in that if the person is suited to the role perfectly, he can be way worse. I think I had a left back at 138 once a couple games ago. And he was very effective. Also good captain. If it's not a very specific role/player combo, 160 up is always good enough.
Can I use new face gen pack with FM24 on Mac?
Speaking as a guy who played a version of FM with the help of the editor (not to edit anything but to see the CA/PA in relation with the star rating and the way they perform on the pitch) 190+ is Messi/Ronaldo levels. They are not that common and with the ability to see CA/PA, I still was able only to buy 1 in my team. 2nd of all, just because he has that potential, he's not necessarily going to make it (just look at your 180 PA unambitious wonderkid...) 170+ is Champions League winning capability first 11 level. 150+ is Europa league. If you have a team that's capable to make it past the groups, of champions league, but not yet winning you probably have a mix of 150+ and not enough 170+ so maybe 1/2 more 170+ players and you should be making it to the final.
And yes, the stars aren't always right but they are a fair indicator usually. Also, you can have 170 PA and CA players with very consistent rating that are just dog shit no matter where or in what roll you play them... there are also cases of 2.5-3* players with fairly inconsistent rating (didn't have the editor in this save so no CA/PA sadly...), and he is just your MVP head and shoulders above anyone else for 3 straight seasons....
Also, yeah, I just disregard unambitious or other bad personalities players. I saw too many cases of 160+ PA but unambitious so they usually don't get anywhere near that PA.
So the conclusion is to take everything with a bit of salt... Yes, stars can be wrong, scouts can be wrong but CA/PA is not everything. In the right circumstances they can work in your team, but also in the right circumstances Messi like players can be absolute dog shit for you... Just like in real life I guess, look at Jadon Sancho, brilliant at Dortmund, sold to United for 85M and played meh for 2 years, loaned back to Dortmund and he was brilliant again... 😅
I think this version is different. I got 2 players of 200 PA (year 2033), one is 23yo with 180 CA and other one is 17yo like 150+. But I also got 2 guys of 195 PA, and some 190 PA. But in terms of CA, my RB is 188 and CB 191, but another one is only 177, and my main guy of 250mil is only 178. Either I got insanely lucky or FM 24 just has more of these guys with higher PA. -- Funny thing is I actually didnt know that 23yo has it, so probably he wont reach it. Only opened up after I got him on 5 years contract recently. --- I dont use any editors, only abused all scouting methods from SYC video.
I will never be as great as treble winning zealand.
Just spoiled myself for an entire journeyman series.. was at episode 12 😂 My fault for not PAUSING 😭
1:10 wait, 5.4 mil p/a?? what an insane loan deal XD
The save isn't linked in the description?
fm-base.co.uk/resources/zealands-journeyman-save.8891/
Seca is one of the all time great regen players
GEORGE THE HAMMER
Got to be a follow up on how CA/PA isn't a perfect judge of player ability (e.g. positions, footedness, not biasing meta attributes) like your star rating video
In the last couple of months, I've started playing saves with the editor on just so I could see the PA of players and signing them on that.
Lame
@@058hasjblok It's even more lame to see a player with 20 more PA than my starter get a D from my scouts.
The save isn't in the description boss
Is the ability to look at hidden attributes part of a skin or has that always just been there?
Players potential may not be important if consistency, important matches and pressure-hidden ratings are low. This can affect player performance
Dont feel bad about Cekici. Yeremy Pino is someone I always buy and he has 171 PA but he leads in assists every year and the numbers he puts up are insane. This year I got 34 assists from him so far.
We gotta know what Calvin's PA is too
Physicals aren’t underrated in the ability score. In fact, pace and acceleration are two of the most “expensive” attributes when it comes to calculating ability. Agility and balance are probably less influential than those, but with 16 acceleration and 15 pace, I’m not surprised at how low his rating was.
Underrated in the sense of how important they are in the match engine. Finishing is as expensive in CA for attacking players but not nearly as impactful. In fact it is so expensive for such little impact I consider it an active detriment, I have had several players with 8 and lower finishing significantly outscoring their xG over multiple seasons.
am I missing something or there is no link to the save file here?
Completed 1st long term save? What???
I am glad you did this video, it's just proved me right that your player judgment is not that good.
Anyway, much love Z.
Z always admits that he has his bias, especially for passing, Z is borderline fetishizing passing.
You did Badboy dirty by not giving him an honorable mention.
Always funny to see. Andas is not developing maybe because he is Unambitious
Euros preview for the og vibes pls 🙏
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A lot of goals are scored from long distance.I want to to see FM put more dribbling skills in the gameplay,dribble past few opponents and then score.That would be awesome and more realistic.
Cant believe about Macintsoh, though he was best than the hammer at some point, jeeeez
My phone was muted when I started the video and then tuned it up for the save spoilers….been watching the videos on the other channel…rip
omg Z how didnt you check Lehlamela Badboy
Had a 200 PA player with Determination of 3 and Temperamental personality, at 22 years old he barely developed...
i've been fm'd many times but i gotta say that is some of the worst trolling by fm i've ever heard
Is it true that old players still have a potential? I use the FM scout editor and my 30yo guys still have a higher PA than their CA (they aren't reaching it tho)
The potential is set at the beginning of the game or for newgens when they enter the save through the youth intake. It doesn't change. CA changes as players develop or decline. Many players don't reach their potential in FM.
if you have two players tied and you missed one by +13 and one by -13 surely that cancels out and gets you two perfect guesses
zealand , what if you had a team of equal of a mid or low level team CA average ( of the league) but you edit the stats of each player so they're perfect for that position / tactic could you win a league? what about a champions league? like how important is CA really if you BWM or w.e had low CA but 0 useless stats for that position? say 1 finishing but 15-20 work rate, tackling etc
Would have been nice to look at youth academy just for curiosity in case there was someone crazy
Not sure how to feel about the fact that Zealand plays Excel : The Game for a living but doesn't use Excel for something like this.
how do you develop these players so well? DAMN
He's an ex wonderkid himself
is the link to the save here in the room with us?
It was probably forgotten, but you can find it on FM Base already.
@@thargoff thanks mate
I had a 199 PA Peruvian in my Iceland save I quit because everyone was mad at me
YOU FORGOT TO LOOK A BADBOYS CA AND PA
It's probably the tash..... Might as well become a pundit now.
Rather than ranking them, could you put them in tier list style buckets? Maybe gaps of 5 at the top and 10 lower down)
There are a lot of ties and really close ones where you think you missed by a lot, but you really didn’t.
Where is the link for the new Gen face pack?
At the end of the video the video for the installation of the newgan facepack is shown, go to that video and the link will be in that video.
odd one but the lad from NAC Breda that got sold and his value went to like 60mil immediatly think it was alves
The cabe verde guy??
@@ojasjain7977 yeahh he looked like he had legit PA
How many players sold had better ratings than you thought is the next video
Havs u a new room? The background is different ? And also are u going to cover the euros 2024? Even tho ur living in usa
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I somehow end up signing a 190pa+ newgen in every one of my saves
biggest question is why are you playing with editor enabled ...
Lehlomela bad boy?
Play a game with two friends in the weekends: I’m nowhere and miss on most of my transfers, one of my friends turn his team into the modern galacticos, second friend: I’m not looking for the best players, I’m looking for the right ones. He won EL 3 times in 5 seasons as Sedan, only one player over 155 potential… just how???
Is that Seca a regen or something I’ve never heard of him at all
He is a newgen.
@@thargoff I figured as much, thanks bro
Z wearing Dagenham is so random.
where can i download the save file?
It was forgotten from the description but it is available on FM Base.
@@thargoff thanks alot
fm-base.co.uk/resources/zealands-journeyman-save.8891/
You have lost a bet and had to do that moustache? 😅
Did you wear your hat backwards because Nick does? haha