HEATED DEBATE: Are Man City RUINING Football?
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People forget, ffp is not for fair play. All it is is a mechanism to preserve the hierarchy of “good teams” without letting anyone below rise to the top. A far fairer system would be salary caps/spending caps
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Spot on. Funny how it was only introduced as City started to pick up traction too, and have been gunning for City ever since.
Salary caps and spending caps would just make the owners of the big clubs a whole lot richer
@@o.d4556 yea but it would do a better job at solving this problem than ffp
City signed Alvarez before Haaland (Jan 2022, then loaned him back to River Plate until July)
Tell these 4ckin plonkers!
@Kelkstero4... And bought both for a combined fee of £70 million😳
@@englanduk6131 don’t be fooled by the price paid- Haaland is earning around 900k a week for city…the money they have available to spend is infinite….
@@chiller1017 source for this 900k a week?
@@chiller1017.. You actually believe Erling Haaland is earning almost £1 million a WEEK at city??? 😂🤡😂
adam doesn't care but gets so heated talking about city, ironic
Nobody likes a cheater. Nothing without the money
@@beatzguy cry
@@beatzguy Jealousy is a terrible illness, get your mummy to take you to the school nurse.
Init it's hilarious, Citys success rattles him but he'll never admit it
Nobody cares about City, just accept it
Adam saying nobody cares about City yet he never stops moaning about their wealth and spending,😂😂😂😂
It’s honestly Laughable
We can moan about them being cheats but still not care? Nobody cares about City. Plastic club with no history and no fanbase. United’s biggest rivals are Liverpool by a mile, City are irrelevant.
Man City..the biggest richest kid at school who has the best motorbike, the best computer, the best clothes, then when he gets to age 30 he is in prison on life sentence no parole..
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
no one will care if city wins 20 ucls in 20 years, the only thing people care about is the normal clubs like liverpool and arsenal doing the best as little as they can but get outdone by city who never seems to be going through bad periods, never saw barcelona, bayern, or Real Madrid this invincible… but oh yeah how hard can it be when your club is UNBREAKABLE, just look at how Barcelona is financially suffering
City signing Alvarez for 15m whilst United got Antony for 100m, honestly just jealousy at this point
I’m Not even a city fan but you are so spot on
And you got a case with many other players too Kdb and Maguire
They pay 500k a week to Degea and complain about city’s wages 😂
Don't forget sancho and maguire too, utd fans love to say city buy their trophies even though utd have spent more, city just invest much better and have the best coach in the world. Look at utd's striker the last 5 years or so, weghorst... and the other 3 being ronaldo, cavani and ibra all in their mid 30s lmao
Sports Washing has worked a treat, I see.
Mate if you think city are buying Haaland's for 55m and Alvarez's for 15m
and there's nothing else behind those transfers going on, you drank the Koolaid
@@si_quest no one knew about Alvarez and Haaland had a release clause, what's hard to understand
According to Adam's point. Teams are allowed to spend money only if they sell more shirts in the US.
The irony is they call City plastic when their revenue is based off plastic glory seekers from london and timbuktu buying replica shirts
@@TonyTynebridge 0 ball knowledge if you actually believe that
@@LocalNoob_2 ball knowledge 🙄
@@TonyTynebridge of which you have - 100
@@TonyTynebridge damn lil bro don"t act hard for knowing how to read lol
How is Rory gonna talk when he supports Chelsea?😂😂😂 Rory and Adam are pathetic
Those two are examples of irony.
Yeah I noticed he missed Chelsea from the list when reeling off a list of the clubs that could afford to buy Phillips and not play him
Exactly lol Adam saying city have only won trophies because of money when his team have spent just as much in the past decade and not won 1 title 😂
@@kawrld5528 United fans can’t wrap their minds around the reality which is City are top dogs now and it’s been building for years. Infrastructure, management, scouting, squad, academy, etc. we blow them out of the water in. Mckola should be a history teacher with the amount of times he relates to the 90s
I’m a Chelsea fan and I agree, in 2004-2006 we were doing what City are now we just didn’t do it aswell and that’s why people don’t mention it. City are a football club who spend well and no matter what Adam says he’s jealous cause they’re doing so well. I’m jealous too, I wish we were as well run as City.
Chelsea is also ruining football 500 million in one season and they’ll be spending more
I think that's saving football because they are so shit and are giving so much funds to other clubs LOLL
Man City have spent money they didn't/shouldn't have had thus the 15000 charges
Chelsea spent that money within the rules and have made no effort to cover it up. City have allegedly tried to hid money they should have never had and threaten anyone who trys to get them to play by the rules they signed up for
70 mil on kepa to then replace him 2 yrs later
105 mil on lukaku to then just loan him the yr after
They’re arguably worse than city
@@Dylan_A526 incorrect. Fifa have decided that Chelsea's "loophole" is against the rules. Charges incoming for chelsea
This video is the literal definition of the pot calling the kettle black. I can't get over the irony of Rory and Adam spewing SO MUCH bullshit here, saying City are ruining football with their spending? Adam is SO OBVIOUSLY rattled by City, jealous of how well run the club is while United is going down the shitter, and is absolutely desperate for the charges to be true, even though he "doesn't care".
First of all, both Chelsea and Man Utd have higher wage bills than City, Chelsea have just spent £585 million in ONE SEASON, Man United top the chart for most money spent in the last decade with £1billion+. Both Chelsea and United have the highest net spend on transfers in the last 5 years (Chelsea -£654.21m United -£540.23m) whilst City are at -£224.97m. These 2 clubs are the highest spenders in both transfers and wages, in England by a mile, but yeah, it's City that are ruining football?
Rory singling out Kalvin Phillips not playing, saying it "doesn't matter"? Well it does, because Rodri is playing too many minutes, and there's already talks of City rectifying this. With him either playing and improving next season, or some type of swap deal. What about spending £80m+ on Mudryk and him barely playing? Or spending £100m+ on Lukaku and loaning him out?
Then you have Adam spewing an unreal amount of bullshit, saying City just "change up players" if they don't like them, cluelessly spewing names and more bullshit like "world record fee" on a GK then got rid? Bravo cost around £20m so what is he chatting? Then brings up Mendy - who was actually great for City when he could play, Pep liked him, but he got a serious knee injury and was out for ages, then got arrested, that's not the club getting rid because they "didn't like him" you clown. Look at the current squad, the core of them have been there for years, either since Pep came in or very early in his management, e.g. Ederson, Gundogan, Stones, Bernardo, Walker, Laporte, KDB, Foden, Mahrez. And the ones that aren't there now, the FACT is (total opposite to the bullshit being spewed by Adam) is the majority of players since Pep, have actually been sold on for a profit or substantial amount, e.g. Ferran Torres, Leroy Sane, Angelino, Danilo, Brahim Diaz, Iheanacho, Sancho, Sterling, Jesus, Zinchenko. What about £90m world record fee on Pogba, didn't like him, so let him go on a free? Signing Di Maria for a club record fee of £59m, and selling him 1 season later for a loss? Swapping Mkhitaryan for Sanchez, giving him crazy wages, then letting him go on a free? Signing Maguire for 80m and him sitting on the bench?
Yes City have spent alot of money since Pep came in, but contrary to Adam's delusional bullshit, and unlike Man United, alot of the players that money was spent on are still there, and a profit was made from the ones who aren't.
Adam saying "where does the money come from" City's Academy generates ALOT of money, plus being the most dominant club in the PL in the last 10 years=lots of prize money, as well as more TV and sponsor money. Getting into the KO stages of the CL every year also equals prize money, TV and sponsor money etc.
It's obvious that Adam is just so jealous and desperate for the charges to be true, that he's already condemned City as guilty, and can't even comprehend the fact that they may actually be innocent, so he spews bullshit to make himself feel better, and to brand City as the ones ruining football, even though United have outspent them in every aspect and are living in City's shadow.
Man City is the scapegoat for other club's failures.
@@CG42010 I get what you're saying, but with the points that they are trying to state, trying to create this false narrative that City just throw money at players and get rid if they don't like them, and that it doesn't matter if they lose money on them, literally couldn't be any further from the truth. United and Chelsea are the 2 worst clubs for doing exactly that, yet Adam and Rory are both trying to say it's City.
As for the start, FFP was only introduced at the start of the 11/12 season. Before that, the owners had already invested a lot of money into both the squad and academy in the 3 years when there was no spend cap. Having world class players like Kompany, Yaya Toure, David Silva, Nasri, Aguero, Tevez, Balotelli, is bound to attract eyes, so TV and sponsor money would have definitely risen alot. Plus prize money from the 2011 FA cup, 2012 and 2014 PL titles, CL football every year since 2011, fanbase growth, academy started generating serious money, player sales etc. Obviously I don't know the exact figures, but it's not as if City just conjured the money from nowhere. Whether or not everything I listed would be enough money generated to deal with FFP I don't know, I guess we'll see, but I find it cringe when idiots like Adam already condemn City as guilty, purely out of jealousy, with no idea what they're talking about.
Agreed the only thing that might be dodgy is the early spending. City are now certainly self sustainable as they most likely will generate the most money of all clubs
People (myself included) are somewhat jealous of how Man City is structured as a club. They didn't just get money and spend 100 million on top players back in 2012, they built a foundation. While their money has been a big factor, the only reason they've won something is because they have been smart with it. That is something city haters fail to acknowledge.
This is such a strange myth. Following net spends (€) since the takeover: 08/09 130 mil. 09/10 120 mil. 10/11 140 mil. 11/12 60 mil. 12/13 15 mil. 13/14 100 mil. 14/15. 70 mil. 15/16 140 mil. 16/17 180 mil. 17/18 230 mil. 18/19 20 mil. 19/20 100 mil. 20/21 110 mil. 21/22 40 mil. 22/23 -12 mil
City cheated bro stop dodging the fact they cheated to build the fucking foundation they woudlnt have had even close to decent players without spending way above what their revenue was
Basically this… city were bought in 2008. That’s 15 years ago.
@@AemondBlackKiller 15 years is nothing mate. It's absolutely nothing, acting like it's a lifetime ago.
I would argue that “smart” is more like Liverpool i.e. spending less than 10% as much and still winning everything, as well as not breaching financial regulations.
And 15 years is not long ago
Since the City take over, more teams have won the Premier League in that following decade. Than in the decade prior to City's take over. Not sure how they have 'ruined football'.
It's mostly from the financial aspect, I'm not talking about only signings, I'm talking about the infrastructure etc.
Because it all built up to 2017/18 and the 5 titles in 6 years that followed. More than likely win the next few league titles with Pep in charge wont they…. So 6-7 titles in a row
@@adamhart70 but they haven't so it's pointless even talking about future titles.
@@connorf4035 right, if you had to put £1000 on who’s winning the league next season, who’s it going on? Pretty obvious answer. They’ll get 90 odd points next season. Its just the trajectory they’re on
@@adamhart70 you're 100% right mate...but the point still stands. Next season the league will be much more competitive so hopefully city are pushed further by someone other than arsenal haha
City has won 7 PLs in 12 seasons. Man Utd once won 7 in 12 as well. Liverpool once did 8 in 12. Periods of domination happen.
Jealous utd fans that can't stand to see another team dominate the prem and upset it's not them anymore
@@jordanatkin2998xactly this. United fans know that they have the most to lose, and try to tear down City at every given opportunity. They love to talk about FFP in regards to City, but never talk about how FFP isn’t actually fair to begin with, and is designed in such a way to keep the biggest clubs on top without fail. They don’t mind the absurd amounts of money being spent, they just want to be the only ones allowed to spend it.
That's oversimplifying things. Liverpool's era of dominance was the most organic and arguably impressive, being only the 4th biggest spender during their period of domination and also for dominating the league when it was at its most competitive with teams being on a far more even financial playing field. Liverpool's dominance was also unprecedented, no team had ever come close to dominating English football to such an extent prior and you could argue that were it not for the establishment of the Prem and the flow of big money, no team would have dominated to that extent since.
In fairness to Fergie, he definitely kicked off Man U's dominance in the 90's in an organic manner with a mixture of young players nurtured through the academy (the class of '92), experienced heads like Bobby Robson and a few big signings like Cantona. As the 90's ticked into the 2000's though, to maintain their dominance Man U definitely began to rely a lot more on spending big and were frequently one of the biggest spenders in the league. This also coincided with the emergence of the big four when the wealthiest clubs began to hog the top spots.
Then came along Man City who over ten seasons were the biggest spenders 6/10 times and are the second biggest spenders in the whole Prem era behind only Chelsea (surprise, surprise).
It’s so different it’s ridiculous. The success of the club has involved a close relationship with a country that relies on exploited migrant labour and locks up peaceful critics and human rights defenders instead of being built up the same way united and Liverpool have over the years. There’s a reason nobody supported city 10 years ago
@@Gamingcrew2212 The funny thing is, that statement you just made probably applies to your country as well. Your country probably does the same thing AND has strong economic and political relationships with the UAE. Do you actually believe that the billionaires that own Liverpool are good people?
Rory thinks this city team is better than the one with Messi xavi and iniesta in it 💀💀
Love the United fan chatting as if Man United hadn't spent a billion quid too haha
Adam is so gross. He picked the best team in Europe in the 90s to support and now he's crying because they can't break the English transfer record every single year anymore. Embarassing
@@isaacnewton3514 we are currently innocent of any charges. So your argument has no substance
His whole point is United can spend billions because they have 'history' and City can't spend since they don't have that. Hahahahahaha.
@@isaacnewton3514 Different ball game now I'm afraid Sir Isaac. If only old successful clubs were allowed to spend stupid money then we would just be watching Man U and Arsenal win the league forever.
I would argue if city are ruining football , so are the majority of top clubs across Europe. The difference is people choose to single out Man City due to their success and how they spend money rather than just throwing money at big signings. And off course how quickly they changed from relegation contenders to title winners. Unfortunately it’s a lot harder for smaller clubs to earn money the honest way with good ownership and performance which is a shame.
No we single out city because they've cheated lmfao FFP was brought in to protect the top 4 (arsenal manu Liverpool chelsea) you can only spend what you make in revenue, so please tell me how a bottom half prem team/ championship team in city who had a very small fan base, please tell me how they gained all this revenue to catch up with the big 4, I'll tell you how they lied and sponsorship deals, and so on.... they are cheaters end off.
You even said it yourself, small teams can't compete and catch up, so how the fk did city catch up? They cheated.
@@LWipo yeah I agree , but don’t forget City aren’t the only smaller club to have large capital investment , none however are as successful as city. I think it’s pretty lazy to label one club as cheats , whereas lots of clubs exhibit the same behaviour.
@@LWipo don't argue with idiots mate, they will continue to think they "won" and won't look deeper into anything you say. Walk away.
@@gregorpeters5042 I'm pretty sure there's no example of any other small club getting the backing of a whole state with billions of dollars at their disposal in England. You fail to understand that the capital investment that City have had since their takeover hasn't just been ''large'', it's been beyond enormous. Not to mention how they currently sit with around 115 charges hanging over their heads. Wonder how that happend? By spending fairly? Not a chance. They are crooked and they have been from the start.
I think were only talking about this because the expensive signings that all these other teams are making aren’t performing. Chelsea fans have some cheek to say City are ruining football when they’re just doing what they do but 100 times better, Arsenal, Man U, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and City have all spent mega money on players… difference is Pep can get them to perform at a higher level…
Newcastle barely started spending and these clowns are already bitching and moaning about the saudi money.
Difference with chelsea is that (at least up until Boehly came in) they were mostly only signing players with funds generated from player sales. Their net spend was actually very low while city's is ridiculously high. Also city have made no effort to bring young academy players into the team and just bought their way out of problems. Chelsea in recent years have probably introduced more players to the first team from the academy than any side in the top 6. Yes, city have brought Phil Foden into the first team but that's it, all the other academy graduates at city play bit-part roles at best. Thats not even mentioning the fact that the only reason man city are successful is because they've been breaking FFP for years and also refused to cooperate with investigations into the breaches, so any success they have is completely invalidated.
@@callumclancy3512 So phil was not an academy player or Leiws are not a ademy player stop lying You’re just jealous and No We have not been breaking it since we are still yet to be found guilty for one
What adam is saying is inly the traditionally big teams should be allowed to spend and win trophies. This is the superleague he apparently hates
As a United fan u need to give credit where is due city are amazing team , amazing coach and run properly, these are all charges until proven innocent, Adam is just worst and doesn’t let Buvey talk is annoying
There is absolutely no way Rory believes this City team is better than Prime Barca ffs
not that mad a comparison
Squad for squad it’s actually a lot closer than you think, I would say starting 11 vs starting 11 Barca is clear though
@@dylanmulroe9978 nowhere near...Barca squad was much stronger and would have 64% possession vs this city side
@@michaelblack131 it is mad. Imagine what xavi iniesta busqets messi and eto would do to rodri and gundogan ahahaha
@@michaelblack131 it is mad you clearly have never watched prime Barca
Buvey’s arguments r all legit though tbh.
Can we stop this nonsense, different clubs dominate for a certain period in the past(Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, AC Milan, Juventus, Barca etc)
Things change and the scales of power that Man City does now have, will change at some point and another club will take over after City.
It`s not this dramatic. What the PL needs is for someone to figure out how to beat City atleast somewhat consistently, that is the first part then other teams will learn from this.
They throw their decency out the window when their (used to be) top club can't win every single year anymore
@@brantonioj1098 Exactly it`s just a mix of elitism and jealousy. City is great now, but it won`t last forever because nothing does.
I honestly hope that Newcastle will win another PL title before Man U, Arsenal or Chelsea.
so they can rub it these elitist, entitled and jealous fans faces.
@@thetruth4654 It will last forever if they are allowed to continuously break ffp rules...and other clubs abide by them
@@ringlora2 you're joking right? A multitude of clubs have broken FFP.
Exactly! They all want the standards of football lowered so it can be easier for them to win. Complete rubbish! City are innocent until proven guilty but apparently Adam knows more than the rest of us and has condemned City without waiting for legal proceedings. It’s childish behavior
I'm a Utd fan, a Stretford Paddock fan, but god damn Adam stop interrupting the others while they're trying to make a point!
He’s such a baby…can’t stand the guy and I’m a United fan too.
I'm in the same shoes as you. Never liked Howson, now I'm starting to not like Adam. It's not just this video here either he's been talking over people on these for a while
@@dave93x I like em both actually, but nobody is perfect ofc. Just a point that Adam needs to fix in my opinion!
Up the Paddock. Yes lads!! 🔴 bit ha I rate Adam just got a bit pissed cos he’s normally decent about not interrupting peeps
Man City have been run amazingly well. It's not just money. I say this as Liverpool fan since the late 70's, they have put great football on the pitch. However, the wages they pay distort the competitive balance.
It's not the transfer fee, it's that if they want a player the can always offer much bigger wages. They can over pay class players to sit on the bench. That gives them of depth whilst keeping those players away from rival squads.
Mahrez is a good example of this. Leicester had one of their best players ripped off them, and only Man City could do that and only play him for just about half the minutes he played for his previous club.
Leeds lost Kalvin Phillips to a club where most people looked at it couldn't see him fitting with the coaches style, and he didn't.
They are well run, if there was a salary cap they could still perform well, but at the moment they also have a vast financial advantage and have had for more than a decade.
Of course it's also the transfer fee. They have a net spend of 1.5bn since 2008
Of course it’s not just money
It’s money and intelligence, willingness to adapt
City have done well. Was a good point that Rory made about Kalvin Phillips and Arsenal. We signed Partey for the same price as Phillips. Partey immediately became one of our best players and biggest earners and whenever he’s injured the difference in quality is noticeable.
With Phillips he’s barely played for City and it doesn’t even matter. The level of depth they have been able to get to is something we haven’t seen before.
@@vflfan8622 their net spend over the last 5 years is lower then the top 5 clubs
True as this may be in terms of their general recruitment, they can spend quarter of a billion on fullbacks, bring in two back up center half’s for 85m. If it doesn’t work they can tear it up and do what they like to fix it.
Your point is valid as Man Utd try and fail at this over and over again.
Adam- city dont deserve this because they dont have history like united
Buvey- united got relegated in the 70s and coty won prems and cups in the 60s
Adam- why are you talking abt history, im talking abt now😂😂
Not sure i completely understand the whole 'where would manchester city be without the money injection when we were taken over' argument. Where would anyone be without a wealthy owner. In 1902 united nearly went bankrupt but were saved by a wealthy guy that owned a brewery, without his input united might not be a thing now. So where did 'uniteds' money come from back in 1902? Definitely didnt come from the club thats for sure because they had fuck all and nearly went bankrupt.
Man city are dominating similar to how man united were dominating before. The only difference now is how they got to this position. If the charges against them are proven to be correct then yes I would argue they are ruining football. But they are innocent until proven guilty. Nobody bats an eye when man united / chelsea break transfer records and spend so much because they aren't winning at the same capacity as city are.
Another fan missing the point. Where the money comes from is the point
@@beatzguy I’m actually a Liverpool fan. And do you mind elaborating?
@@beatzguy where the money comes from is completely legal, as of this day ... so stop spouting conspiracy theories 😂😂😂
@@bernabasnegera8464 like calciopoli..lance armstrong..now man city?
@@ringlora2 you can't assume something without a proof ... and mancity rightnow are the greatest team in the premier league ever.
Mckola with the classic “I genuinely dunno what you’re talking about no more” that badboy only comes out when you KNOW you’re on the ropes 😂
Innit? Man opened the book by bringing up City's relegation in the 90's but couldn't handle the blowback from Buvey
Adam comes across like Liverpool fans did in the 90s when United were winning everything back then by using the “but they don’t have our history argument.”
Rory and Adam making arguments about no other club except city can do this...
Their own clubs Chelsea and United have done everything they are accusing City for but unsuccessfully
Yup, the difference is City have spent well and are well run from top to bottom. The reality is Adam & Rory wouldn’t be saying shit if it had worked out well for their clubs like it has for City. I say all this as a Chelsea fan too, I wish we were as well run as City.
Adam always fumbling the delivery of the ads in the start of the videos
City have spent 1.2 billion in the last 10 years but made 700 million on player sales
It’s a myth that city spends loads it’s just the club is run better than the rest
City are lying about what they spend
That's a net spend of 500 million in 10 years around 20 million more than Chelsea spent in 22/23 season. Man city are not even top 5 highest net spenders in the in the last 5 years in the league
So they didn't spend 1.2 billion then because as you say it's a myth? That money wasn't generated organically through the clubs earnings.
@@ryanstanyon524 majority of it was
@@ryanstanyon524 it's like you're saying they spend 1.2 billion in one go -_-, the takeover, investment, sponsorship was all accumulated during 10 years
How can you ignore how early these signings were made and how good they turned out? Genius from city and pep
Fraudiola
@@timeless4369 Yeah I'm sure all the professional footballers, coaches, pundits etc saying pep is the best manager in the world opinions means absolutely nothing because you're opinion is more correct
@@jordanatkin2998 115 allegations of cheating says otherwise. Nobody cares about your club. You could win quadruples and nobody would care because it wouldn’t mean anything. It would be worthless and a waste of time. Without the cheating and the financial doping you would literally be a NOTHING club.
Good point, people talk about the City squad as it is now but when City were in for those players - noone rated them then (except Haaland and Grealish recently)
Plus there's hardly ever any City players in team of the season 😂
@@jordanatkin2998 imo pep is not the best manager in the world cause he needs the best players in the position for his system to actually work
Buvey had him on toast haha
Everytime there's always been a team that dominates football for a while. Man United did in for a long long time in the prem, madrid in UCL , Barcelona as well for a short while in la liga, juve in serie a.
So just because city are playing well doesn't mean they've corrupted football. ( Their spending in the last 5 years is not even compared to what the others have spent )
Why don’t people care about Chelsea, because they’re shit. If we didn’t win they wouldn’t be talking about us which tells me this is simply out of jealousy.
You friend woke up and chose to speak facts
Ye but I think it's about the methods to actually get that success . All of those clubs were grown for the most part quite organically . City not spent that much the last few years but not needed to they've been hyper funded years they're a billionaires plaything who've been financially doped up. Their success cheapens the overall value of the sport as it means to be elite things like fans and history no longer matter
People glide right past this, well said and I think its an important narrative
I expect nothing less from a AOT fan. Spitting facts my Brother
The same question would’ve been asked about Manchester United in the 1990s and 2000s…
Not really. Utd never spent beyond their means, and their transfer records were funded through a mixture of SAF's success and taking on debt.
That’s just not true
Not even the same thing, such a stupid comment
@@fakename45 so is city's I presume. City are in 16th place for the net spend in the last 5 season during which they won 4 league cups 4 PL and 1 FA cup.
@@samkkx They might be being run sustainably now (And that's questionable, because a lot of what they do is overspend on player's wages which don't come into transfer spend figures usually), but ultimately they would've never signed Aguero, Yaya Touré, Kompany and many others if they had not been bankrolled to begin with. Which they were.
In regards to Financial Fair Play, in any other walk of life you'd not be prohibited to invest in your business, in most circumstances you would have a fiduciary obligation to do so. As for the "Rules", they are there to protect an established Elite set of clubs. No other reason for it. IF you wanted to do FFP properly, you'd simply add one rule, and one rule only. Anything you spend on or above the Clubs current or projected means, must be met by the owner, legally binding guarantees provided, and the corresponding debt remains the owners liability. Understand and accept this, and you can see that FFP Rules are in of themselves creating nothing more than a monopoly that is the antithesis of what Sporting competition should be.
FFP is is just to protect the old elite but they want to have cushy ride to the top.
it’s not ruining football, they got a top 3 manager in the world with all the backing he could ever ask for, other managers around the world are either not at peps level or they’re not backed. As a liverpool fan i wish klopp was backed more because their rivalry could be amazing but we still start henderson every week cus who else can we play.
Does Adam know his football club wouldn't have existed if not for city?
are you talking about what happened between city and united after the munich disaster, or am i wrong and youre talking about something else?
just asking
im a city fan as well
@@ezwa3973 Average city fan, born post 2000, ball knowledge at 0
@@ezwa3973 yeah its what happened in munich
The more you actually listen to Adam on these podcasts, the more you realise his football knowledge and debating skills are dross lol
Rory who is a chelsea fan talking about this is rich man
Not a City fan but ngl I'm a fan of a lot of their players and the way they play.
For someone who doesn’t care about city, Adam sure seems to care
Abu Dhabi was covering most of the Etihad sponsorship money and not the airline, this was proven when Etihad finances showed 5 billion in debt that Abu Dhabi was taking on, so thats why Citeh are run by a country and not most of its sponsorship money, which also explains the outrageously over inflated sponsorship deals they got before they ever won a title
Guardiola has dominated football on two occasions now in 15 years of management. The GOAT.
Until Pep proves himself at a smaller club, Klopp is a superior coach
@@vflfan8622 😂😂😂 it’s no comparison really. Klopp has won what? 1 league title while Pep was here. Pep has literally dominated him while he has been in England.
@@eljay6714 are you serious? Klopp has turned a pile of shit into a pile of gold. Pep has turned a pile of silver into a pile of gold
@@vflfan8622 you mean he sold the pile of shit and bought gold with it? He’s bought 51 players over his time at Liverpool with a spend of $661,250,000 and only has one league title too show for that?
You really got the cheek too say he is better than Pep when he hasn’t won even as half as much as him? Stop it. Sound like a right tit.
@@vflfan8622 Now it's time for Klopp to make his gold turn to platinum.
Ain’t no way Rory just said this city team is better than prime pep Barca 💀💀💀
It just shows you the level of delusion in this podcast
The problem is with city’s 115 charges they have lied about what money they spend. They might say Phillips for 45m what we know but could have spent double that as that’s part of there charges
I’ve listened to a lot of fans/pundit in the UK regarding these charges against Man City and I can tell u the reason most fans are so hyped abt these allegations is bcus Man City as a club is doing well and they are winning trophies, I bet u if City had spent all this money and are battling to make top 4 every season nobody would’ve cared. Most of this fans are driven by hate/jealousy that’s all, they don’t care what good/bad.
Facts u can see the anger behind everything they say
Adam quite annoyed for someone who doesn’t care😭😭
Hes fuming 😡🤣
The point around winning a competition after using steroids, is the most accurate analogy!!
Yes, you've done really well and worked hard. But there's 1 main reason you're so clear of everyone else... and it's because you had access to something that makes it not competitive anymore.
There's a reason they call it Financial Doping
The Kalvin Phillips point is really dumb. Rodri has the most minutes of any city player, including the Goalie. He badly needed more rest this year and is very lucky not to get injured.
Man City is the only club in the world where you count the back room staff in their transfer spending
😂😂
These criticisms are valid for the early years of ownership, and before a lot of the current FFP rules came in to try and keep the big boys at the top. The past 6-7 years City are often making profits on transfers and usually put an outlay of £100m on transfers for 1-2 players each summer, whilst recouping the majority of that if not more in player sales.
City buy low and sell high, and have been getting such good value in the market the past 5 years or so, like Alvarez and Akanji as great value current examples. In fact City's whole squad is great and if you sold them all this summer you would probably 10 fold make profit on them.
Then when you are winning Premier leagues and cups, on TV 3 times a week and playing beautiful football it attracts worldwide interest and business investments. If you want to complain about city it has to be about the 2008-2015 only, not this current side.
All I'd say is, Dallas Cowboys have 4m followers on Instagram, Real Madrid have hundreds of millions. Dallas Cowboys make around £400m more per year. City have the City Football Group and multiple other ways to monetise, every other team in the world just has shirt sales, sponsors, tickets and tv rights. City have evolved football on and off the pitch
Flawed logic did anyone know Ederson, Dias,Jesus,Rodri,Stones,Fernandinho, even Zinchenko and Steffen would plan out to be quality players for us and go on to do bigger things they are players like that for everyone to sign. United,Chelsea, and Arsenal have the money to do it can’t because our recruitment is incredible united fans love the big name signings when sancho and pogba flop they wanna go at City stfu 😂
Exactlyyyyy ppl think city just buys big name players and put them on the field, but instead they scout out players with a good potential and those who would fit in with the team's versatility then sharp them up and make them world class, if haaland really a "superstar" before joining city, why was he never up there in balon d'or list? Yes, city does have the money but so do literally all the big clubs in Europe, city only gets the hate because they actually made USE of that money instead of just blindly spending money on stars like PSG or Chelsea did
Bruh ofc people knew them. You’re not into football if you didn’t. Also Steffen??
Adam failing to realise Barca had the biggest wage bill in the world when they were with Pep
Hilarious watching adam pretend he and nobody else cares when hes crying for 10 minutes straight about it 😂
Peps barca was revolutionary amd jawdropping, nothing football had ever seen before. Peps city is immaculate and close to perfection. A mix of strength defense tikitaka and clinical goalscoring.
Its not a 1 team league as Neville showed over the last 4 decades but people just keep looking at last 3 years thats not the point this team was a league 1 team in the premier league and Abu Dhabi fast tracked their progress to top of the prem totally against the rules. They have cheated with paying mancini with external parties, inflated sponsorships and many more infringements. if guilty they should have all titles removed and end up where they should be
There is no way in hell Buvey truly believes City would be competing at the top end of this league without the financial doping 🤯
It's like if 10 years from now Newcastle are on for the treble and coming off the back of 3 consecutive league titles, turning around saying "We won stuff before the takeover so you can't say we wouldn't be here having this success without the money." 🤡
United spent the most last 10 years and haven’t won by your logic they should win it 10 years in a row
@@JUFFAIR101 I think you completely missed the point fella. To say financial doping hasn't heavily influenced cities success is just plain ignorance.
Adam and Rory are so triggered that Manchester city are creating history and there clubs are in the mud‼️ 😂
The Barca team of 2011 would make this City team so dizzy they would think they were on 100MPH Waltzers. Messi, Iniesta, Busquets, Dani Alves, David Villa and Xavi would destroy this City team, absolutely no question.
As for City's spending and recent lower NET spend. It is alike a n0nce who had been charged with offences in 2010 and now saying ''I only date 21 year+ old's now.'' The damage is done. Mancini and other staff were getting paid twice the cost centre listed amounts from Cayman Island and Swiss banks. As well as the other 100+ allegations. You're gettin real done, real example are gonna be made of ya. 'Pannick on the streets of London'? No more like - Panic on the streets of Beswick ... you need to believe me on that.
you can't fail to factor in wages on cost of squad, the variable costs are more important than sunk transfer fees
It's a tricky one. Because on one hand City are run brilliantly, their football is excellent. They are clearly the best side in the world and deserved to win the league. Also, let's not pretend that a large financial takeover isn't needed in order to break into the establishment. However, City have been financially doping for years, but they get away with it because they have the best lawyers in the world. Also, whilst other clubs like Arsenal or spurs have money, if a big signing flops they can't just take the hit the same way City could. For me that's the issue, not the way they broke into the establishment, but the fact they are so far ahead of the chasing pack when it comes to finances that they are almost protected if something doesn't go according to plan. Newcastle will likely be in the same position in a couple years time.
The problem with this whole money argument is that either Money matters, or it doesn't.
Too many people want to play hypocrite. Either spending loads of money to win stuff is wrong. Or it isn't. You can't pick and chose like people seem to want too. Oh, its ok for Real Madrid and United and Bayern to spend loads of money because they are big clubs, but its wrong that little clubs can do that.
Why should it matter where the money comes from. If you don't allow any investment, all that happens is the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. Thats basically what fans of most the big teams are advocating for.
You're forgetting that oil money is bad and evil, unlike money made by selling sweatshop produced replica kits to plastics and sponsorship from too-big-to-fail Wall Street insurance brokers. United have good money and they had to fucking earn it.
@@Paul-px9bf Indeed. Proper clubs should be catapulted to success by facist dictators and then propped up by the goverment when they start to fail financially. Not funded by wealthy oil rich arab benfactors.
It used to be possible for a team to win the leqgue with high 70 - low 80 points. Not anymore. Now you basically have to get at least 95 to win, which about four teams have done in PL history.
The irony of a Chelsea fan complaining about spending... Look at the 2003 Abramovich takeover. But because FFP was introduced in 2007 no one complains about their 5 leagues and 2 CL's in that time.
Rory says that no other club in the world can sign Kalvin Phillips for £45 million and then leave them on the bench when literally the team he supports splatters £80 million on Mudryk and leaves him on the bench (amongst others)
I mean they’re 12th, clearly they did get severely affected
@@Duval-In-The-Walljust because they are shit doesn't excuse that his argument is full of shit.
Only for Man City signings people look at behind the scenes fees and how much Pep's staff costs
Adam is a bitter red 🤣🤣🤣🤣 love hearing him cry 😅😅
1 - The FFP chargest are presently allegations. Not proven. In the UEFA case, the 2 year european ban was overturned because in appeal case found "no evidence."
2 - It would be incorrect to state that Man City's present revenues are artificial. The several cup wins, the transfer business they do, the amazon documentary rights, and also the attendance at etihad which is always 90%+ of capacity (not more than competitors but still 90%+) gives a very realistic basis for revenues.
3 - You can accuse City of financial doping but then you should have a problem with all start-up capital. What ownership investment did is just level the playing field. Given United's historic success City did not have the financial or brand basis to be competitive. When the club was bought the investment enabled City to show sporting ambition to the market to be competitive. To have a problem with that is like saying "No I want Apple (Man U) to always remain the biggest brand. I don't want a new entrant in the market with good Start-up capital. Because that would create more competition. On the pitch and off the pitch."
Definitely not. They're actually run properly. Every other top club in England only aims for "top4" and never hold anyone accountable for not achieving more than what is essentially just making playoffs in any other sport. They're the only club in the country that both knows what they're doing in the transfer market in terms of ambition and getting the most out of what they pay for players and are properly coached whilst every other club is only one of those things or neither. Chelsea and Manchester United are examples of clubs that should be seen as teams favored for a league title every now and then but never are because of incompetence from the top.
@@isaacnewton3514 I consider success being run properly because that's the aim of elite sport.
If you have a team beating all their rivals by 4-6 goals whilst comfortably swatting aside Europe’s elite comfortably with a squad put together by financial irregularities I’d say the answer is a resounding
Yes.
Liverpool and utd have both beat city this season, it's just the same as how utd were dominating the league in the fergie era
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And Everton beat Brighton 5-1.
Fergie never won 5/6 titles and hit 90+ points every year doing it, or got anywhere near 100 points.
@@salexa171 Tf does everton beating brighton have to do with it and you said they are beating all their rivals by 4-6 goals which they definitely are not.
Also the points isn't as relevent they both played in different times and Since fergie won his first prem, he went 20 straight years never finishing anything other than top 3, won 3peat twice too, you're mad if you think fergie didn't dominate the prem too for 20 years
@@jordanatkin2998 My point was any team can beat another team in this league. I remember a bunch of times Liverpool beating Fergie’s Man Utd down the years and still finishing 3/4 places behind them.
On the other point I’m not arguing Man Utd didn’t dominate. They did, and they did spend money but Man Utd dominated when there were 3 other teams competing with them, max. They were able to take Spurs, Leeds, Everton’s best players off them without much fuss.
We now live in a world where West Ham are signing Lyon’s best player, Wolves scan sign Porto’s captain, and Villa can spend 38m to get a player from a relegated team. Despite all that City are able to sustain a title challenge and hit 90+ points every year bar one, and do it whilst clearly breaking rules out in place to stop one team dominating over a long period.
It's not about the money city spend now. This was always the goal. Spend on the sly to accelerate how quickly they get to this point where they have a brilliant squad and all they have to do is replace the right players at the right time.
Both looking at the screen at first to try and seem like its just a casual talk 😂
I think main thing is we don't actually know what man city's numbers really are because so much has been concealed.
Rodri had a buy out clause,so did Halaand and Alvarez so did Jack Grealish 😳. It's not like no other club couldn't sign them ? All they had to do is pay the release clause 😂.
Buvey wouldn't even be sitting there without Cities ability to cash their own cheques, nor this channel exist 😂
Adam talking like united haven’t 1 billion since 2013 saying city are the ones that are drugged up city just know how to spend their money right
Chelsea spent over half of that in 1 window...City spent over 2 billion since 2008.
Adam is so blind here, shocking to see someone with worse and more partial takes than Buvey. When he makes a good point that you can't diminish City as a club and say they have no history, citing the history that exists - not just trophies, but other moments too - he changes the wording to 'you'd be nowhere' rather than 'you'd be nothing'. So snide.
The 90s with Oasis at Maine Road? The League One play-off against Gillingham? These were iconic moments to City fans (and football at large in the case of Oasis-mania) that came in a period of shocking performances. To Adam football seemingly started in the 90s and anything outside or below the Prem isn't relevant, and the numerous trophies City won before that time (including a Cup Winner's Cup which he insists we don't have for some reason) don't mean anything because he personally didn't see it happen through twitter clips.
Man City is a sizeable club with real fans which means a lot to the people around it (which he'd know if he was from Manchester), and without the 2008 take over would be in a vastly different place, which literally not a single person denies. The club was in turmoil at the time, it could have gone extremely bad and today you'd see us in League One; but more likely City would be a club like West Ham or Villa, usually occupying Mid Table with good seasons pushing for Europe and bad ones flirting with relegation - exactly where they were before 2008. I, for one, don't think there's any shame in supporting a Mid Table team who pull in 45-50,000 fans to matches, and in fact think it's a lot less sad than being a plastic United fan from Birmingham or London tagging along for trophies.
Should City (and now Newcastle) fans stop supporting their teams because they happened to be the ones billionaires took interest in? Do they suddenly stop mattering or become plastic because they celebrate what will probably be the best periods in both club's histories? I didn't choose the takeover in the same way that I didn't choose City. I stuck with my team at a time when all of my classmates were choosing United; whilst they had Beckham, Scholes and later Ronaldo, the best I got were Sun Jihai and Shaun Wright-Phillips. Are you asking me to abandon it now that I'm seeing the success I could only have dreamed of as a kid?
For the past 40 years before 2012, we'd gone without a title. That didn't matter to City fans at the time and it doesn't matter now, because whilst we will enjoy the good times, it was never about the trophies or glory. It's about that time with our dads, our mates and our community. To spit all over that out of bitterness and jealousy says more about you than it ever could about City or our fans.
For adam football started in 1992
Imagine any business outside of football having 115 financial breaches charges against them. Theyd be screwed. Man City can pay any amount of money to let these charges disappear. Corruption at its finest.
The majority of those charges aren't even financial related
😂cry me a river. Why don’t you care about Chelsea, because they’re shit. If we didn’t win you wouldn’t be talking about us which tells me this is simply out of jealousy.
Bro what? Have you ever heard of JP Morgan lol?
Bruv the length of the grass was apart of those 115 alleged breaches
It's a tad bit more complicated than that because poltics comes in.. I'm a city fan and I'll take the right punishment if it comes to it.
However, premier league is just as shady and might be playing favourites here -- the timing of the charges, multiple mistakes, PL wanting constant change in champions.
If you read more than the headlines, I can assure you there is nothing much that City have done wrong .. their finances are clean and it could get ugly for the PL if City chose to fight back. For their finances, feel free to check out Swiss Ramble 👍
Adam really showed his IQ levels with this one
This was difficult to listen to. I understand you're heated on the subject and thats what we want to see, but you need to learn not to talk over one another. On a recording it becomes indistinguishable noise and nothing is communicated to us except that you are all talking.
we signed Alvarez before Haaland...atleast get your facts correct before hating
Buvey "We are here because of our past success" odd that they only started having success post 2008 I wonder what happened then? 😂"Not because of the money"
You mug, Adam said Man City were nothing before the money which is incorrect. Granted they didn’t win anything for a while they were still a club with a big and loyal fan base
@@madarauchiha8975 someone clearly wasn't over the age of 16 in 2008..
@@madarauchiha8975 they were nothing before money 👍relegated to the third division when United were winning the treble and mid table to relegation fodder up till 2008. Just because youre a glory hunting plastic who doesnt know your own clubs history pre oil doesnt mean everyone else doesnt know how tinpot city are. 😂
@@Nightsu just cus you don’t win trophies doesn’t make you nobodies. You can hate on city all you want. Even during uniteds treble winning season they had banners out making fun of city for being in league 2.
@@ringlora2 someone clearly doesn’t know their history. Your picking and choosing a period of Man City to fit your agenda lol. Football didn’t start in 1992 you mug
Chelsea, city and psg ruined football a while ago. Regardless of the current allegations, City and chelsea have previously been found guilty of charges (city financial penalty, chelsea transfer ban) Still a great achievement by city.
Roman started this mess and now others are following suit. Man city fans shouldn't try to deny their spending but accept it and be grateful that Abu Dhabi chose their club over another mid table prem club.
As a barca fan this city team Is peps best squad. In terms of options to bring off the bench lol. Messi on the other hand is the difference maker. But KDB and Silva can produce moments of brilliance just like Xavi and Iniesta and not only that but this city side defensively is probably the best Peps ever had as well. They hardly concede goals in big games. Pep barca team concede much more and even had to perform plenty first leg deficits
Liverpool won 11 titles in 18 seasons. Then, United won 13 titles in 21 seasons. There was then parity for a few seasons, and now City have won 5 titles in 6 seasons. There’s never been a significant time period of parity in England.
It’s not comparable to any club because all the clubs RAISE more money a year & can FAIRLY spend what they like & not break the rules… they fiddled the money they had coming in & his payments through other clubs owned by the same owners
But if you always only allow clubs to spend what they earn, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man United would be the teams that buy all the players.
First of all the FFP was put in place by the big clubs to stop new super clubs like City overthrowing them and the latest charges by the PL are also secretly backed by those clubs who are afraid of City.
And City haven't been found guilty of any wrong doing because there are a number of ways finances can be obtained for people as resourceful as Sheik Mansoor... They could have used connections loop holes which all the top companies and firm leverages and aren't illegal. City are pretty confident about the charges and they might have reason to be.
Not just Manchester City, but yes. Certain clubs are ruining football.
no u
Why don’t you care about Chelsea, because they’re shit. If we didn’t win you wouldn’t be talking about us which tells me this is simply out of jealousy.
Chelsea started the modern day pay to win problem. City have just gotten away with financial doping due to how much money the owners actually have.
@@George-wv5hf Real Madrid did that when Dennis Wise were Chelsea's main man.
@@ZeroTheHeroGOAT Real Madrid have a history based on financial doping, but I'm not having people bigging this Man City team up to be the greatest.
All their modern day successes have all stemmed from financial doping so Adam is right, it doesn't matter, which will lead to the ultimate demise of Football.
Just think about it, there's hundreds of people with the financial power of Sheikh Mansour in the Middle East,. If all of em starts buying random teams and invests in it, all those traditional teams whom earned their success to the prem will be completely wiped out within 10-20 years. The once prestigious First DIvision of English Football ( Premier League ) will be filled with plastic football fans and sh*t atmosphere. Another example, teams like Brighton and Aston VIlla spent years and years of hard work to finally earn a spot in European football, whereas Newcastle whom were supposed to be relegated till last Jan, just popped up with huge investments and snatched away a Champions League spot. Like what's point of being successful anymore when random teams can just pop up and dominate the league just because a random wealthy owner suddenly decides to start investing into the sport.
Adam is bang on about Barca, how dare Buvey put barca in that camp, La Massia produces amazing players thats totally different than just going out and buying "all the best players"
Bartomeu
Praying to see Adam on wembley way
WHY DOES NO ONE MENTION TGE WAGES TO BUVEY FFS?!
City's wages? They're less than united and Chelsea
@@bluemoon1716 😂 you forgetting all the added ‘bonuses’ that were off the books? Head in the sand!
@@stephenparker8250 you mean the allegations? Didn't know that case was already over.
@@stephenparker8250 why don't players deserve bonuses if they win CLs? Doesn't make any sense. If you are given option to win CL this year and pay 70-80M more to those players for that success - the money that comes back from winning the CL balances than out itself.
@@stephenparker8250 Haaland sitting on 900k a week which has been heavily reported but the city glory hunters will say its only 400k. One of the premier league charges is literally for hiding real player salaries.😂
Adam and Rory look like clowns coming up against Buvey. Buvey us wiping the floor with these muppets. Legend.
FFP exists to protect the established clubs from upstarts.
The team with the most money usually wins: United, Blackburn, Chelsea, City.
Jealousy is unbecoming.
All the other clubs could of bought the players city are buying only Grealish was a ridiculous price - just because other clubs aren’t smarter and spend there money worse
City batter everyone. Football honestly isn’t really a competition anymore
Cope
Stop acting like City are the only team to have a dominate period. It just shows you are a new football watcher
We’re was people saying this when united was dominating the league you only hate us cause you ain’t us
United did it legit with their own money, that doesn’t excuse money laundering. Stop comparing the two as if they’re similar
Can you show me the times united were breaching FFP? Give me at least one count, we can forget about the other 114.
United still spent a lot of money and had first pick of the best players. They basically had a monopoly on the market.
ffp wasnt even a thing when united dominated. If you look at inflation, united spent a lot of money. Not to mention buying refs.
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I think that is a fair point. Back then we had a "big 4" feeding on all the other "feeder" clubs in the league. At least now the lower teams have a lot of bargaining power I presume.
Buvey had Adam on strings here
It amazes me how buvey manages to rattle people so hard when they know hes trying to rattle them. They still fall for it every time, he's a genius level troll 😂
Man City are the Premier League equivalent of Lance Armstrong.
In other words, the rest of the elites are also spending a lot and cheating in ways.
Along with Chelsea
And united .
@@mcfcok3773 United have made their money due to them being an historical institution. City had virtually no history prior to their takeover in 2008 aside from winning the English first division twice.