"football isn't the same anymore"
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"football isn't the same anymore"
"football isn't the same anymore"
"football isn't the same anymore" - Hry
I do think people are sorta blinded by nostalgia when they say this but with the rise of the Saudi league and new champions league format this saying will most definitely rings true and certainly will in the next few years
I feel like there's a huge gap forming between different types of football fans, one's that more about their local and the cultural/tribal aspect of it, and others that see's it more like a TV Show, with big names and flashy lights that want the best of the best no matter what, people who support a player more than a club, that's getting more noticable for me
I think the people who lived in the era where only the champions played in the champion's league feel the same about the era of our childhoods how we feel about the current situation and the future.
@@Vizeh people who get to go to games and people who watches from the sofa .
@@Vizeh I've even seen someone in a discord server I mod call the promotion/relegation system most domestic leagues have stupid.
This is what happened when you lack culture, specifically: football culture. Go watch the NBA
I am a committee member of Newmarket Town Football Club (predominantly a horse racing town), in the 9th tier of English football. And it has changed my entire view on the sport and the non league system and I have deeply fell in love with it to the point of where it has became more important to me than top level football. I really hope more people can come to support their local clubs regardless of what their level is because that could help the sport gain some traditionalism back!!
That's fantastic to hear man! Keep at it!
Much respect to you sir 🤝 that's actually a brilliant idea. Thank you
@@Vizeh2nd favorite club besides burnley?
Wow Newmarket
@@TheCommentor- No i dont like the goal keeper of newmarket fc
I think for most it was the simplicity of the mid 2000s. The lack of money involvement and the viewing of new eras rising and seeing some of the best fans really is causing this.
lack of money involved?
It's an incredible era to look back on
@@byimranalam Less of a focus on money then, compared to today
@@CrunchyMotorsport that is the right word for it
This comment is completely devoid of reality. The game was absolutely flooded with money during that time period and some of the largest transfers in the sports history happened exactly then. Adjusting for inflation, some of those deals were even higher than more recent deals that have a higher total on paper.
As a kid with a British dad but growing up in the US and loving football it was hard to find a team to support that you can feel like a real member of the local community with. None of my family were big into football especially the US fam but I fell in love with Man U when I was like 7-8 cuz of Rooney. I wake up early to watch every united game I can but it isn’t the same as going to a game. I’d love to one day be able to go watch a game at Old Trafford but yeah as someone living in the US and not having much money to travel overseas it feels like I’m not really involved in the fanbase
i feel you bro,i am from croatia and a huge man united fan and unable to go to games,at least the time zones don"t screw me over like they do you lol,but again i 100% feel you i would cut my balls off to be able to go to every man u game especially the ones at the theatre of dreams...
im polish. i started "supporting" united when i was like 5 when i had no idea what teams were good or not, just to try wind yp my brother who watched city on tv. only later did i actually start watching games and learn more about united. ive stuck with united ever since. i understand that im not a full fan like the season ticket holders from manchester but i still hate being called a glory hunter because when i chose united i didnt even know they were good. and before someone replies with "go watch your local", im actively trying to start watching my local more and go to some games, but ill never abandon united
@@marzeqpog mate never pay attention to those who call you a fake fan,only you can know how much you love a team,if anything 95% of city fans are actual glory hunters from australia,america and the lot so fuck them
@@marzeqpogsame with me, I’m from Ireland, I supported united since young because of my dad but like you I didn’t know what teams were good or not, since last year I started supporting my local club Shelbourne in Ireland and honestly the feeling is like nothing else going and supporting your local home & away, I fully recommend actively supporting local but never give up on united! 💪
Im from NY with a similar story except Liverpool instead of Utd lol. Word of advice, i saved every extra penny i had from age 12 to 20 and was able to finally go to the Steven Gerrard Testimonial at Anfield. Unreal experience that every true supporter needs to experience and worth every penny. I hope one day you can visit Old Trafford, good luck.
As a Legia Warsaw and Real Madrid supporter I can say that the best games that I have seen are those that I have witnessed in Warsaw. doesn't matter that the players are not half as good as those in Madrid, seeing a game live makes a huuge difference. also seeing your local club's success means so much. losing in UCL semi-final is literally nothing, people don't realise how hard it is to actually qualify for the competition even if you are a champion of your league
Agree with that, being an ajax fan when we went to the ucl semifinal was amazing since we went from the ucl qualification window,
I support Videoton (Fehérvár FC) that is my local team from Hungary, and Liverpool, and also Schalke. Last year I wasnt happy about Liverpool not getting UCL football or Schalke getting relegated, but i felt way worse about my team almost getting relegated, it came from nothing, and this year it seems like nothing has changed. But the best ever moment of my life was last summer when I travelled 15 hours to Köln just to see my team beat a Bundesliga team in the qualifiers of the Conference league. Edit: sorry for my grammar mistakes
And one more thing, Nemanja Nikolic our club legend, used to play for Legia Warsaw.
yea i support Rakow Czechstochowa its my local club and in a few days there is a chance we qualify for the champions league
@@adamthedestroyer3592 hopefully I am rooting for u guys
A lot of it is nostalgia and sentimental feeling. Its the same with gaming for me. Graphics is better and its more high tech on every level, but just doesnt "feel" the same as it was when I was a boy. Still though I can't let it go, and I will be in love with football forever
True that when it comes to gaming, like trying to compare FIFA now to what it was a decade ago feels like a different thing all together
I prefer old graphics rather than the new one. Example Hitman Blood money. Very good game, I was 7 when I first played it
6*
@@Vizeh But the FIFA-game in itself has also changed ALOT.
I feel you on this. I’m a Chelsea supporter but from Nigeria but lived in SW6 till I was 8 but didn’t become a supporter till 97. At the same time, this was always what the trajectory for football was going to be. When the premier league formed in 92, this was the direction football was heading towards.
True, respect man
Yup, also just the domination of the prem in terms of money...,it has always been just sad, how the prem always spent unreal money, real football is the 50+1 rule, what the german and spanish clubs do is what connects the clubs with fans, but english clubs have lost that since 92, its just unfair, and is when football started to become about the money, whether you like it or not
For me it’s since Sepp Blatter awarded Qatar the Wold Cup in December 2010.
Even if football doesn’t feel the same, we can all rely on one thing that will stay the same.
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Cheers lad haha, but this one is much more of a waffle video than an highly edited and researched piece, just kind of wanted to give my perspective on how I feel football that's all
it is the history of the vizeh
@@Vizehit was like one of your older videos
I'm from Poland, actually. The only matches I could afford to go to was my local teams', despite my entire family supporting Liverpool as well (because of Dudek) - we could never go to the matches. They were far too expensive and there's no bigger envy than the one I had for Reds supporters who managed to do so. But my local team is also close to my heart and despite being far less successful, I'll still adore it forever. I think fans nowadays focus too much on the titles, success & individual players, or flair rather than the focus on what the game has always been about.
One thing I noticed is how big of a rule nostalgia plays. It's very romantic - the story of players and the club going through hardship and achieving some great success in the end. Klopp's Borussia Dortmund feels like a romantic poem, as well as his adventure with Liverpool from 2015 to winning the Premier League. The same could be said for Luton Town and its history, but the said truth is this romanticism is disappearing. Because it's sadly unrealistic.
I will go for every match of my local team that I can, but I'm also aware they'd most likely never lift a European trophy, not because I don't believe in them, but because the giants are too hard to compete against. A similar thing happens with the players, when they receive an offer from Saudi, I hope they'll refuse. Because of their loyalty to their club, their "honor" - let's say, that's a romantic notion. But a completely unrealistic one.
Nostalgia makes me miss the times when I was younger and would sit in front of the TV, watching my national team. Or Liverpool, despite not speaking a word of English at the time. Football was universal. And it's silly to say that "I miss the old times", but I do. Perhaps it's because of the social media, financial giants and less "poetic stories", but it truly feels as though football changed a lot.
Anyhow, an amazing video!
Wow
I agree. My friends only support clubs with the trophies and trebles. I don’t know any real football fan other then my family members.
Thank you for your insight man, I wish you well!🇵🇱
In the topic of people not supporting teams anymore, I got into football quite late (at around 14 years old) during the late 2000s and after some initial "follow the leader" mentality with the ones that were always winning in Europe, I decided to just be a neutral (both in teams and players) to prevent becoming a gloryhunter who often switches up teams every few seasons. And since my family was literally divided into supporting 2 rival local teams, as a kid I never really developed the mere idea to support a local club. And since I'm from a country whose football level is below average, I honestly struggle to even consider doing that nowadays. Just a personal observation.
Do people really change teams every few seasons? I've never met anyone like that
@@MrThedonhead Some do because of a player. I know a guy who went from supporting United to Real Madrid to Juventus back to United.
Can you guess who was his favorite player? 😅
Just support villa or someone I think it'd be more fun supporting a mid to low table team 😅
@@MrThedonhead city fans after they get relegated due to 115 charges:
I personally believe there are a lot of different ways to watch and enjoy football and that's a beautiful part of the sport
Absolutely different ways to see the sport and people take the sport more seriously than others, others see it more for the social aspect of becoming part of a community online or others feel like it's about representing their area. Different reasons
Being an American and having a completely different perspective here is wild. We were desperate to watch games my entire childhood and high school/university education and we got 1 game a week on ESPN that was pre selected. Now we can watch every single Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, Carabao Cup, FA Cup, DFB Pokal, Italian Cup game live or on demand replay for around 15 dollars a month. And I'm supposed to act like this is a bad development? LOL get real
@@stephenmason9527 $15 a month? Fuck off no we can’t lmfao
It's not just the culture or the clubs. It's also the players. Call me crazy but the early 2000's football era had SO many talented and great players. These days I struggle to find players I like and feel like most of them do the bare minimum to get paid and that's it. The passion for winning has gone out of football, and no, joining City to win the league doesn't show you have a passion for winning.
When your country doesnt have a world wide recognized league you usually just look at football as a whole. From my perspective at least, where i'm from most ppl have a team for each league they follow (which is between PL Ligue 1 and La Liga) but they often have one team they like more than the rest(the ones they watch the most). Their favorite team is either one of the popular ones they find cool or the ones that have the most charming playstyle.
-from a senegalese viz viewer 🇸🇳
This is how it is. Vizeh’s videos are all doomposting because he’s not 15 years old with blind love for things anymore.
@@broonoartFr this video was just him crying that his team is ass. Came off as an ignorant viewpoint imo
I am from Malawi myself. In my country our league is semi-pro at best so apart from from supporting local teams we also supports mostly Premier league teams. Our fathers pass down the love of Premier league teams to their sons and bars fill up with for example united vs City. People even kill themselves sometimes when their teams loose. I think Viz doesn't understand foreign fundoms especially from poorer countries.
Most people envy English football their lower division clubs have better stadiums than most national top divisions. Also their leagues are so well organised. They should be great full but they are always complaining. I understand being priced out of the game and they should continue advocating for lower ticket prices but they should stop crapping on foreign fun's who enjoy well organised competitive football.
@@broonoart big fan of your twitter lad cheers
Dude i am from iran and i love burnley just because of you. i watched almost 20 games of last season and my god that was amazing. i am a united fan but i always wish that i was a fan of a smaller club. the fans of smaller clubs enjoy football sooooo much more. good luck man. good luck and thank you
Thank you man, I wish you well!
There's always time to realise your true football allegiance..
I'm from iran too😅
I really appreciate your take on this. Being American, I started following football in the late 90s to early 2000s. My primary experience of watching football games was watching the Internet and looking for highlights. I started becoming briefly aware of European teams, thanks to two Brazilian friends of mine that taught me the game. They told me not to just support your local team, but to absolutely fall completely head over heels in love with the game. It’s been a long time since I’ve been able to go to a football match, and I’m okay with that. Truthfully, I’ve fallen more in love with lower league and non-league as the years have gone by because of the close relationships you can form with the team and the players.
That’s fantastic to hear man, thank you!
Football has always had money, nothing has changed much really. We are talking about the most watched sport for decades now. Even in the 70s players were minted. What makes you feel like the sport has "changed" is social media. Social media has allowed us to see things that we couldn't in the 2000s and even before. Back then we never knew player wages, never saw how footballers lived. You used to see transfer news on newspapers and tv and heard it on radios but nowadays you get every single breakdown of the money involved when you scroll on social media.
I am fan of Schalke 04 in Germany. Former top 3 club in Germany. Now 2nd division and yes I can agree: the world of top clubs fighting over the UCL title feels so far away from our daily life as a Schalke Fan and to be honest. I’d rather stay in division 2 with Schalke (although I hope we get promoted back to Bundesliga) than being part of this big money game. But also in Germany we have 2 examples of clubs which just do great work without having much money: 1. FC Union Berlin (qualified for UCL first time, 4 years after their first promotion to Bundesliga and without big money unlike RB Leipzig) and SC Freiburg who qualified for Europa League again and is completely owned by the fans (just as Schalke is). So there is still hope but I have to say as a Schalke Fan i don’t care too much about UCL anymore. Just now that City won it we know you can just buy this trophy
It certainly doesn't feel like it did before. You have to be owned by either some random American company or a Middle Eastern state to stand a chance of competing for the big trophies. It used to be a lot easier to break into the CL places for example. But now the top places are becoming a closed door for everyone outside of the elite
Over the past year and a half, I’ve gotten really obsessed with football. Whether that be tactics, players, club histories, etc. But being from the USA, watching from the TV doesn’t feel comparable to what the fans are experiencing in the stands.
Even if whoever’s reading this can’t go to many games, take a minute to appreciate that you’re apart of awesome club culture. Not many other sports around the world have the same atmosphere
AS a Stockport County fan who lives in clitheroe
I grew up around county in conference north (all of my school where city united or Burnley) and was used to part time players
And £1 tickets.
When I went to Wembley this year I was blown away with how corporate it was it felt like the nfl or something with a dj playing over both sets of fans
It's getting further away from reality even in the 4th division
I've been told similar to those that were raised with lower league clubs that when they go to a Prem stadium it feels like a completely different sport and experience to them
I am from Romania. I support my local team, thing is, this is also one of the bigger teams in Romania(that at this point one in every two romanians support), that people from random areas tend to flock to. And its really paradoxal for me when i meet people from areas with clubs considered "traditional" by romanian football culture, still opting to support other more successfull teams from further away, like the team i support(namely FCSB/FC Steaua Bucharest), because, on one hand i am really happy about them supportingcthe same team i support, but on the other hand, i am upset because their local teams are on life support because of them.
muie steauaaa
I had a flat mate at Uni who was in a very similar situation to you. He was a Liverpool fan, grew up pretty much in walking distance of Anfield - had an ST almost every year since he was a kid, he’s been to away games he could get to, been to all the finals his club reaches- pretty much an identical story to that of most fans of the non-sky six clubs. He very much found a similar paradox to you, in he’s happy he can talk about his club with people and have a big group of friends to watch the game with when he can’t make it but he’d see his mate from Southend and then look at the situation Southend United are in and it left him feeling very mixed.
I am an American, and here teams are very far apart. The closest team to me is over hours away, so I don't really have a local team. I am a Liverpool fan because when I was 12 I watched FNG, and Niran was a Liverpool fan, and it stuck. Yes, I still love Liverpool, but I will never have that connection that you will have with your local team. I feel very disconnected from the fan base. Soccer isn't very popular here in Rural Illinois, so I am the only Liverpool fan I know, and I can't drop several thousand dollars to go see a Liverpool game live. I have only seen one live professional game and it was a friendly between the USA and Uruguay a few years ago
Nothing beats supporting your local I can never wrap my head around it I’ve seen by local side away in Europe and all across the country and I wouldn’t change it for the world the feeling of pride representing your town⚫️⚪️
South American talking here. I feel blessed that now I can enjoy watching champions league, premier league, la liga, and also my domestic league. Now Futbol is a global game and, dude, let me tell you, during the world cup final was a massive event everywhere, as well as the champions league final.
Completely appreciate your perspective. As someone who grew up a 3.5 hour plane ride from the closest professional team of any kind, I had no choice but to pick my teams based on factors other than geography. Some of them were because I got to visit places and see the team play, others because when I was looking for a team the team I picked was very successful and in a great era for the team. Others still because they were places I ultimately chose to go live.
Some of my team preferences have changed over time. But for the ones that I'm truly attached to, that I'm a die hard for, there's something special to me about each of them. The culture, the fans, the history, the mentality, some combination thereof. I could never dream of putting those teams down or changing because they hold such a special and passionate place in my being as a sports fan.
Anyway, great vid, hope you're well. Thank you 🤟🦊
The thing is I’m Latvian and I live in England, as a kid I didn’t know good English and somehow stumbled across Steven Gerrard highlights and I instantly knew this is my club. And years later I hear about “supporting your local” and being a glory hunter when in reality I love this and I’m not going to change allegiances and solely support my local but I do support my local team. And it’s not like I can just instantly unlove the club. Younger I used to go to Latvian ice hockey games and now when I moved to England years ago I had to watch through tv with my dad and there’s was no way to actually feel the atmosphere and be there.
8:16 as someone who supports their local club and Liverpool, I definitely agree with this take. There’s been times when my local club has scored a last minute goal and I’ve run around my house in celebration. Haven’t really done that for Liverpool that often. Also my local club winning a match has always felt more special tbh
We are gonna be saying the same thing about the current generation in a few years in my opinion so we should just savour and appreciate this generation of players.
I think the main issue is Football has become so rigid and is all about systems as well as having to be extremely fit, look at these players now they're absolute machines but because of this we don't see as much technical brilliance or flair. We'll never see another Ronaldinho for example for as long as we're alive 😢
I also read another theory on why it appears the standard of modern Football doesn't seem as high as it did in the 90s and early-mid 2000's and they reckon it's because back then kids were outside more playing Football and honing their skills, therefore better talent was being produced. With more kids now staying indoors playing video games on their phones and tablets and just watching stuff like CZcams etc (which ironically is what I'm doing right now 😂) there's less kids playing football or even interested in being a top pro footballer. Would be really interesting to hear your opinion on this one Vizeh
That’s why jack grelish is the goat, he give me that old style of soccer player
I mean COVID really hasn't helped...
I mean COVID really hasn't helped...
@@goofygoober3624 The kvara guy at Napoli too ❤
Fr I’ve always had this feeling that nowadays there are just fewer players who could just produce magic out of thin air. They aren’t allowed to anymore to go for a solo or take a long shot because it’s all becoming a percentages game. They’re way better than 20 yrs ago but damn does it suck out a lot of the fun.
Which is definitely new I feel like that there are a lot more player fans instead of club fans. If a certain player leaves a club some fans go with them, which seems to be a new phenomenon imo.
I find that just crazy hahaha
reminds me of basketball
I think, alongside what you've said, part of it comes down to what we actually see on the pitch as well. I think the tactical advancements we've seen in the last 5-10 years have been incredible and truly believe Pep is the Goat but it seems like the individuality within the game has gone. I didn't love Dinho growing up because he scored loads of goals but because he made me feel something when he touched the ball. When you consider that and then a group of vocal online plastics it's like a lot of us fans who grew up supporting local clubs are seeing/remembering football as a completely different sport to the plastic fans.
I agree 100% football now is about ball possesion and its more boring!!
Ronaldinho made me love football what a legend 🇧🇷💚
So then what about fans like me? I'm from Pakistan and have been supporting the toon since I was 5. We don't even have a football league. Football and NUFC are my entire life. It's almost impossible for me to actually go and physically attend games on a regular basis just because of where I'm from. It's not fair. Your take makes sense to me to a certain extent, and I actually agree more than disagree with most of it. Just not when you said because I'm not from there I cannot support them. That does not sit well with me especially considering what all I've given up in my life to go and see them four times. That number may seem small to you but to even have the opportunity to go and see one game is too much for someone like me in an entire lifetime! The cost for me coming there to watch a single game is more than a person from Newcastle getting a season ticket. How can you compare the two?????? Unfortunately, my passport prevents me from any chance of going to watch games now too. I'm so hurt tbh
You guys do have a football league though.
Now idk what's going on entirely with it as Wiki is not up to date on it. But Pakistan has a 2 tier open system with (last updated) 30 clubs (so there is a chance you don't have 1 local) but you guys do have football in Pakistan. Football is nothing without its people. This is the reason why supporting your local side (if there is one, and I do mean local, not the closest though that is an option) is important.
@@jldch26are you seriously trusting Wikipedia? Please don’t be ignorant. There’s a reason I said what I said. I’m from this country, I think I’d know better. The league has been inactive for 8 of the last 10 years and did not even exist when I started supporting Newcastle. The teams aren’t even legitimate, it’s like the army team, airforce team, police team, airline team, gas team and company teams. There’s no proper system and never has been. Pakistan had been suspended by FIFA for a while as well for government influence. There’s too much drama and no actual football being played. Please do proper research before making comments like these! A proper league in the style of India’s super league is potentially starting in the next 2-5 years, if anything, that will be the first time someone can support a local team here.
i dont think the phrase "support your local" isnt fair. for me personally im from india who has a recently developed footballing system which was founded in 2014. the thing is, ive been following my favorite club liverpool from before then. obviously i do like my local club but i dont think i can just give up my love for liverpool because my local club has been created
Having a supportable local club is a blessing that I am very thankful for. I love Hajduk Split so much
My family was full of football fans. I was born in Bamber Bridge, and there were two sets of fans. My mums side were all Manchester United fans. My dad's side were all Arsenal fans. There was no other option. I fell in love with Arsenal, and have loved them ever since. But I lived and have always lived up north, so I never knew the experience of a proper matchday following your team. I've done the Emirates tour obviously, I've travelled to see U23s games (simply because they're cheap and I love my club).
In 2017, I moved to Wigan, best known for rugby league. I began to follow rugby league, previously I had only ever watched football. I have a season ticket, I go to all home games and most away games, at least all the ones I can get to. And it brought a new feeling. I recently went to our cup semi final in Leeds, I left my house at 10:30 and got home at 21:40. We lost, and our terrace had no roof so we stood in the pouring rain. But it was such a great experience, as are all the games I go to. And it leaves me with this empty feeling inside, because I love Arsenal and I'd never switch clubs ever. But I've not been to a game, I just watch on the tele
Hence why most US fans follow top 3 leagues rather then the MLS or even our second division teams. Our infrastructure in many areas also degrades any chance to play football outside of school or maybe a decent park. I appreciate that perspective you put regarding yourself being raised as a burnley fan and the amount of local fans being less then the number of United fans despite living very close to the Burnley Grounds
IMO football lost its passion and became more robotic mid 10s I would say players were taking more risks and making more weird chances nowadays all I see in the top 5 leagues are basic goals. Also another think that made football boring for me nowadays is because the are no big surprises in the prem the biggest surprise in the these 2 decades is Leicester winning the league
I was a Manchester United fan from Australia but the toxic nature of the big clubs and just being able to spend you’re way out of mistakes made me switch to a smaller club in hull
From one Burnley fan to another, i can say that we are truly massive. Keep the content coming, because its absolutely class.
I don't watch football as often as I did in my early days, because I found my passion for racing again.
And I'm proud of my decision.
I hope it's not F1 as Verstappen is killing this season haha
You mean F1? That sport is dead
@@Vizeh As a Verstappen fan I can say that's i've been falling asleep almost every race now.
@@TheCudder4lifeI wish he remembered how to spin or something. He's just become too good
Thanks for sharing your perspective. As an international Premier League fan, I appreciate your insight. Same for your thoughts on nation state buyouts and the obscene amounts of money being thrown around.
Something important to consider when speaking about how international/non-local fans follow specific players instead of clubs is that it’s not just about watching the best/most expensive/most exciting players (though you’re 100% right that this is a draw for a lot of people). National pride is also a factor. With so many international players in the Premier League, people get excited to see someone from their home country shine on the global stage. This can be particularly true for people from countries that don’t get a lot of global media coverage or acclaim. With countries like England and the US dominating global media in almost all areas (not just sports), high performing players from less “visible” countries give people from that player’s home country a chance to take pride in something positive from their country in a media climate that usually ignores them. I think that sentiment is also a factor affecting how a lot of international fans decide which players or clubs to support.
The big team thing is completly true in other countries as well. In Turkey, most people who support their local team also support one of the big three especially if their team is in a lower league.
i was at a local game and in the final 5 minutes we went from 0-1 behind to 2-1 ahead, that feeling of euphoria of scoring that 90+6 goal i will never forget, truly beautiful
I agree to an extent. Watching on tv is nothing like being at a game but, some people physically can’t go to a game. I love my premiership team and watching them play but my chance of seeing them in the flesh again are quite low due to health issues. I also loved growing up watching the little village team play on the field outside my front windows or standing on the sidelines with my grandad and still watch them occasionally. Fans come in all types, I think loyalty is key.
Football changes, always has, always will. Everybody is convinced it was better when they first fell in love with the game. There is good and bad in every era.
Yea man just like how life itself is evolving. Either you choose to sink or swim
As a Norwegian person growing up breaking a family long uninterest in football, I have kinda gotten the freedom to support whoever I wanted from outside of Norway where I have to support my local team, and ultra local team. All of my classmates and school orchestra mates all support a top 6 (exc city), but i chose one of the Birmingham clubs (in particular villa) as i am a politically interested person who cares about the second city getting its recognition. That's why I chose a birmingham team. I chose aston villa because i am a sports stadium admirer too. I like to see stadiums and see the time and what things that they include architecturally too, and i was fond of the old entrance in Villa park and the general old and semi open feeling of it. I am a fairly new fan who became interested in 2021 as i then really got really into it during the 2021 euros. People might call that plastic to start following football later in my childhood.
And i do think that if you support a fairly obscure club and go to games and such for that club as an international fan, you are a very hardcore fan, as you might spend 1000 pounds and such for a weekend in Birmingham just for your team to draw or lose. That like togetherness I dont think is as frequent in the big 6's atmosphere or a player supporter ( support a team from one individual only like messi and inter Miami). I also supported a non big 6 side so i don't get mad when my team doesn't win the league and or qualify for UCL, and i don't get bantered when the team hasn't won anything in almost 30 years. And prior to this window I demanded not the world class players, but rather someone more unknown, and its the beauty of supporting a team with less pull, as you find these gems and love them.
I feel the same about you, i love my local team Portimonense it is a historical club(playing in a euro competition in the 80s even), but in Portugal everyone pretty much just support the big 3 teams(that are really toxic), so my team doesnt have that much of supporters and in the away games the seats are almost empty in a first team division!
One of my wishes is that in the future Portugal can be as England that even the sunday league games are always full of suporters that love the game .
Thanks for sharing your opinion mate👍
As a local football fan (Real Murcia supporter) who has the intention of leaving the country sooner rather than later, this one hits really hard. I don't know if I will be able to live without the away days and without seeing the lads every week... I'm already missing it, I'm down bad and we've only been on summer break for a couple of months
I'm American but from an immigrant family, so I got to experience the classic American experience of supporting the club my dad grew up with (Sporting CP) while also being a match day fan of my local MLS club (DC United). I love both clubs equally, but its a different type of love. Sporting feels like a family tradition, like I'm connected to generations of roots. DC United feels like MY club though. I feel much more personal investment in DC.
That being said, I've always resented my fellow Americans who pick a random top UEFA team and never check out their local MLS/USL club. Sure I watch European soccer too but thats because I have a real connection to it, and its not like Sporting is a powerhouse.
As someone who supports Liverpool from south east asia, I hate it when people treat me like I'm less than other, more local fans. It's not my fault that I wasn't born in Liverpool or in England. I have supported Liverpool all my life, and I try and see games when I can. I understand the values, morals and ethics of Liverpool the club AND the area. Just because someone lucky enough to be born in Burnley, does NOT mean that you are better than me. Additionally, I might add that what you're saying about fans who don't grow up in the area that their club is carries obvious racist undertones, which makes no sense considering football(and Burnley) would frankly be very little without the money from international fans.
Like it or not, without international fans, the premier league probably wouldn't exist. It would still be called division one- and the quality would be of the 60's and early 70's (it wouldn't improve, because the influx of money in the late 70s and early 80s was from international fans). Without international football fans, football would not be the sport, the spectacle, the majesty that it is now. With that said, these clubs still have their own personality, history, their own values and morals. So far, European football has tread the fine line between history, personality and financial success, rather successfully I might add.
However, this recent rise of the Saudi league is very concerning for me, even as an international fan. If the top 5/6 European leagues(not clubs) lose their quality, younger fans, especially the international ones, will lose interest. They also won't want to watch the Saudi Arabian league, simply because theres less history, there's less repute, and this will lead to more basketball fans.
Finally, non-local fans do NOT see football in a 'completely different way' to local fans. You are basing your judgement on international fans by a few loud individuals on social media. I support Liverpool because my father did, and thats the case for many international fans as well. If liverpool sold all their best players, and became a mid table or even relegation side, I would still happily watch them, week in week out.
With that said, I do appreciate your content, but I would appreciate a less Eurocentric perspective next time.
Great comment!
I ain't reading allat 🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥😭😭
Its changed a lot in my opinion. To the point where i barely enjoy the game at the highest level anymore, the soul is gone somehow.
The game has became more structured and clinical at the highest level.
Almost squeeky clean and predictable.
Individual skill and improvisation are far less prevalent and relied upon.
With the rise of 'the manager' or 'the system' over the past couple decades it was always leaning away from individualism and expression.
Most every team plays 'good football' nowadays.
A massive emphasis on athleticism, particularly pace, over technical ability and/or tactical understanding.
VAR. Its horrible, inconsistent and far too convenient, far too often.
The fascination and deception of stats!
Fan culture.
The money.
I remember joking about '£100million players'.
Bro the amount or interesting videos with good takes lately has been impressive, keep it up 👍
Im from Greece and i was raised an AEK Athens club but i wasn't force to be a supporter or my team. It just happened naturally to just love the club that you grew up with.
But the club that also has a special place equally in my heart is Sunderland.
I was a casual supporter at first but after i saw their Netflix series it just.. hitted differently. It made me fell in love. And its also a club that i chose so that's also a special feeling ❤
As somebody who only got into football around last year and supported City (glory hunter ik lol) It was the style of play that got me hooked, being a new city fan quite later in life 20 years old, i feel like i want to be apart of a new football dynasty and with alot less appeling local teams / lack of teams around me, I supported a big six club. I am aware of being called plastic and City not being a real / small football club but I'm ok with that as I love the history, culture and the exciting future around the club. I may not be a hardcore fan / ultra but I still enjoy the games I go too and football as a whole. Its really a amazing game that I'm so glad I got into.
Hi Viz, loved the video and it really resonated me for a different reason...
I'm somewhat like you in terms of the local club but in Canada. Everyone around me is talking about the Prem and European football, asking me who my team is, and I never have a honest answer. I support local football because of that feeling you get just when you go to a match, not even wins or losses. I feel a connection to it because all the players are just like me or everyone else in the crowd. In Europe, there's no relation. It's like I'm cut off but expected to really care about it. I see no one that I can relate to because of their money-grabbing or whatever the case is.
Anyways, trying to get into the EPL this year because it's a great league for the clubs outside the big six. That's what I care about at least. You're totally right though, at least from what I gathered from this video is that football is about finding yourself and where you are, and who you want to be with, because those memories will last forever. Thanks for making these, Viz, you're doing great!
portland timbers fan from oregon usa, and our scene is great here. it feels like a real football atmosphere. football lives well in portland
Honestly playing football manager or fifa is more organic in nature than the actual pitch play, it's sad cuz we all just wanted to play ball, support a club, and let ourselves and our families prosper
I was legit thinking about the same today and it actually made me sad: The football might improved, the transfer fees and market values rose but the mentality and the players aren't the same anymore...
I miss the Maldinis, the Zidane's, the Ronaldinho's, the Figo's etc. , footballers I grew up with and who are respected legends, unfortunately for some exceptions this is not the same anymore. Man, I miss these old days of football 🥺🥺🥺😭😔😔😔
Sometimes I do feel like I’m missing out a bit like one of my friends is a Real Madrid fan and he’s bragging about signing Bellingham when all i can say is oh we bought this random Swiss dude
Every generation says that but at the end of the day no matter how much it changes I personally will love it regardless
I'm not from Tottenham but ever since I was young they were one of the first team I watched, which made me love that team instead of my local
I am not english, I didn't really like football growing up - I always thought why would anyone sit and watch men kick a ball around for about 2 hours. Then my friend introduced me to fifa properly, then I started to play fifa 15. I loved the game so much I decided to start watching football. When it came to picking a team - I didn't really know what to go on, but I really liked AC Milan cause they had a really nice kit and Barcelona cause I'd seen clips of Ronaldinho and I thought he was incredible, but the only person in my family who loved football was my uncle and he supported United, so those where the only games I started watching and I got into the history of the club and learnt about Ronaldo and I've just been supporting ever since, over the years the united stand had got me engrained into the club a bit more and I have become more aware of football as a whole. I may never experience the joy of going to games on the regular and being apart of the match going fan community, because the TV is nowhere near being the struggles of the match going fan who puts all their worth into the local club, but I do wish that fans like myself were seen in a different light a bit more, cause it not always about the biggest club or trophies, it is what you resonate with from what you are exposed to, but great video Vizeh.
I generally find that when I talk about football with my colleagues after a minute or so it turns to a talk about club finances and not players or the game. That’s when you know the game is gone, it’s been gone a long time. If you want the true old school football experience you’re better off going to follow your local non league team
What made me fall in love with football is probably the Ronaldinho compilations i saw when i was like 13 or something. He always played with a smile in his face, doing a lot of dribbles tricks, and expressing himself on the pitch. I never see any player enjoying himself on the pitch like he is.
Love this video. I kinda know both sides. As a SC Heerenveen fan going to every home and half of the away games nothing comes close to those games. But I also support Tottenham and Real Madrid because as a kid I wanted to support big teams. I still like watching those clubs play and would love to go to some of their games. Butt if they win a game I’m happy for a couple hours but when Heerenveen wins I’m happy for the whole week. Its definitely different.
Great insight man, thank you for your comment!
Supporting your local club is like saying people in Seattle should only drink Starbucks. I’m a Barca supporter from Canada, always will be and don’t change my support for any player. I don’t begrudge people who do. It doesn’t dilute the experience for me.
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
me personally being real madrid and man united fan from asia its very difficult to follow games because of time differences but the journey is lovely .
and do you support your local club ?
I'm a Sparta Prague fan and football here is still similar. Talented player goes to bundesliga, does well, etc.
I am huge football fan and you often see a lot in INDIA but most of people here support cricket blindly.people in social media bit criticise us like stick to cricket something but the reason we have cricket in our hearts bcz we are born and prepare to be a crickete fan as 90% families in India watch cricket,similar to people supporting local clubs than brand clubs in england.....I recently regain that cricket passion(in football it's more) from watching ashes.......smith vs root.....broad vs warner and we have kohli and rohit...........btw love your videos
how popular is Kabbadi
As an American, I feel your struggle. Even European fans give me grief because I call the game by both names, to help others get into the game, and we have 3-5 other sports that matter more than Football.
@@loganmiller6879 Very less, in Haryana(INDIA'S state) the viewership is lot but neutrals don't prefer to watch it....yes there was hype 5-6 years ago due to league forming of kabaddi but now it's decreasing.....guess our national sport(HOCKEY) is in very less viewership than it should be
@@andrewwinslow9315 I can understand you.....people hate to say soccer but the thing is that if you want to get into this game you have to tell them to watch soccer rather thatn saying lets watch football...bcz in america people call rugby football..btw things can change as messi has now come there
I only started watching football & I'm already getting a sublime vibe
being from the us, i only started to get into football around a year ago and one of my main dilemmas was which team i should support. while my dad was a british man u fan and basically all of the kids into footy at my school supported man city, i wanted to be different from them. so after hearing about liverpool's comeback in instanbul it honestly amazed me, the sheer determination of the players to comeback from 3-0. so basically i started supporting liverpool in their worst season in 7 years, but that didn't matter to me. i loved liverpool's history and although people at school clowned on me for liverpool's bad performances, i didn't let it bother me. here in the usa when people choose to support a team, they really don't do any research on the team's history and that bothers me. most of the kids into footy at my school don't really know who gerrard or lampard is, and even the city fans at my school don't know vincent kompany. people nowadays (at least in the usa) just bandwagon and follow the leader and they never take history into consideration. it's crazy how different football in the usa is compared to the rest of the world.
As an American Liverpool fan, I kinda relate to this. Wasn’t really into club football until 2017, when my hometown was granted a MLS club (Atlanta United) and I never got into European football until 2020. No one in my family, nor anyone I knew supported any teams outside Atlanta United, and because I hardly knew anything about the other clubs, I stayed neutral for a while. Eventually as I started understanding clubs more, Liverpool stuck out to me, as they hardly had any players I disliked, a lovable manager, and amazing fans. Their history was probably the most important factor, as looking at it consisted of lots of up’s and downs. Gerrard slips, corner taken quickly, Istanbul, losing two titles to City by one point all played in a connection to the club.
As a British person say soccer like a normal American
I'm a Yank that's new to the game. This video got me to subscribe to your channel. I love the honesty of why you love the game. crack on!
As a fan of a 3rd league german team (SSV ULM) its really sad that most people from the area dont care about our club
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Your speaking facts mate being from Sheffield and being a similar age to you there were very few United and Wednesday fans bit a lot of Chelsea, Arsenal ETC But being who I am I go SUFC Home and away for last 10 - 15 years
Keep up the vids viz
I’m a support of a none league fan owned football club in fc United of Manchester and we are against modern football…. And for me it’s mostly to do with ticket prices and the lack of community in the top flight when people say the games gone in my perspective it’s to do with the community side and being able to interact with the players and just overall feeling welcome to the club / ground
Massive respect to you pal, ticket prices is also one huge part of it too, shirt prices everything it's tragic how much the common local fan can't afford anything
As a Wycombe Wanderers fan who lives 10 mins from Wycombe, I was one of like two fans in my whole year at secondary school. I think football has always been split this way, with some supporting Arsenal or Chelsea or Man Utd who are always at unattainable levels for the smaller clubs. It's the sad truth, but I think it''s been going on since the introduction of the Premier League tbh.
As a South African,my mother's a huge fan of Kaizer Chiefs so naturally thats the team i grew up supporting and i saw nothing wrong with it.
However,one night,i was watching a football match on tv with my step father at the time,and one team in red and 2 players in particular caught my eye(Rooney and Ronaldo).It was the UCL final against Chelsea.Going into that match,i didn't know either of these teams besides my mom always telling me about foreign players like David Beckham,Ian Rush, Michael Owen and Gabriel Batistuta.But since then,i have been a staunch Man United Fan.
Sure,i have never been to old Trafford or whatever but i just felt a connection to the team somehow.And im as much of a fan as anybody who does attend games. Doesn't matter if i watch the game and i celebrate by myself or 10000 others...sure id love that experience but at the end of the day,i still feel an incredible amount of emotion for evey goal,win or loss.
Anyhow,im still a Kaizer Chiefs fan tho much less than how strongly i feel about United.
As an adult,i guess politics and the awful state of football in my country may have caused this difference in support but that 7 year old kid back then certainly didn't give a blazing fuck about any of that.GGMU🔴 x Makhosi For Life ✌️
I love this video. As a pl club fan living in the U.S I have tried to look for local teams to support, to get more of the football culture. Its just hard right now because I'm not quite old enough to drive, and there isn't really public transportation where I live. But I completely agree, it makes me sad seeing the sport head in a direction where money is how you win. That has basically always been the system in America, MLS is literally pay to play. In general though, it feels like more and more clubs have more and more fans that jump ship when things get tough, but to me thats what football (or sports in general) are about, being part of a community and sticking with your team through hard times and good times
when i first chose a team i was very lost because i was born in warsaw poland then i moved to manchester and then for my dads work we moved to bournemouth of all places
The closest professional team from me is Real Salt Lake in MLS about 2 hours away. It's not a team known for winning. I'm not gonna say I'm a Spurs fan since I haven't seen them play in person (yet) and I'm not as hardcore because of the distance, but they are my favorite EPL club. So I haven't seen much winning in my lifetime, but that doesn't ruin it for me. There is more to football than winning all the time and that's why I love it so much. The hard times, the losses, and the supporters still staying with the team make it worth it and makes a win just more special when it does happen.
i started to watch football in 2013 and yes im young but my best friend watched football and i didnt he was a liverpool fan so i would support them to just to talk to him about it and really how i got into football and at that time we had ricky lambert balotelli and borini
As a Hajduk Split and Liverpool supporter, I cannot express the emotion I felt when the Reds finally won the prem a few years ago, but from then on I shifted my focus on Hajduk because it is the team of my region, and one of their players used to be my neighbour long ago when I was a tiny lad. That drew me more to the club than Liverpool's trophies and fans ever will. I hope one day, we'll once again lift the trophy like we did in the old days, now when Croatian football is seemingly becoming normal after years of illegitimacy and scandal.
9:55 i agree watching a match on tv is not the same as travelling for away games but I'm a Asian(Indian) I don't have a option to go and watch the match in stadium
I'm a spurs fan I have watched each and every match sometimes I have to stay awake till 4-5 and then go to college at 7 in the morning it might not be the same as fans who are traveling to watch the match but that doesn't mean we aren't real fans for some reason some people don't consider us as actual fans just because we don't go to watch the match.
Being from Northern Ireland my family being from near Cliftonville, I like them. And being from a Catholic family, it is almost a given that Celtic is part of our family as well. But since I can remember I've been a Chelsea fan because my Uncle went to uni in London and leaved a 10 minute walk from Stamford Bridge in the late 90s. Since my dad wasn't a football fan, he was my influence on me. Even though I became a fan of football around age 5 or 6, so 2009/10, I'm a fan because of my uncle, not the success of the club before I chose them
I am a true fan I have supported the Clarets my whole life but I have friends who only support the best team and keep changing
Interesting points great video! I do think we had more idols in the early to late 2000s and individual players shone more. I think what’s killing football now is statistics. Everyone on twitter is obsessed with goals, assists etc. if you look back on the likes of Ronaldinho, zidane, beckham, these guys were legends but didn’t rack up the most amazing numbers. They were just a joy to watch. In some way you could also kind of blame Ronaldo & Messi for their absolutely insane careers and again everyone on social media is trying to compare
Iam a barca fan,so you can call me a glory hunter😀but i didnt had the luxury of being born in a country where football is on big level,iam from Slovakia and league here😬,not a lot of people here are watching it,me personally i try to watch it more,i try to watch our teams compete in europe,iam 16 so not the oldest but i can tell that the league is growing,but still 99% of kids who start to watch football here,support a team mostly from England or spain,i started support barca bacause of WC 2014 which was first big tournament i watched on tv and i fell in love with messi there,and of course since messi played for Barca i started supporting barca,maybe if i was born somewhere in England i would support a local team,but here,supporting your local team is very very rare,which is sad,cause you can see that average attendance in our first league is like a thousand so yeah,thats it😀
As a South African I will always be a die hard man united fan till the day I die. I always get there kits jackets and anything related to united. Even tho I might never step a foot in manchester let alone old trafford but I still put some much passion for united and i couldn't imagine a life without united and i would sacrifce much just to even see the theatre of dreams in real life
The 00’s was the golden age of European football
just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it bad. I like this new football era
When did you start watching football?
Massive respect. I can see rhrough your content that you are growing as a man. It is refrwshing to watch this video after work and hear someone aaying something that they trutly believe. It is ny opinion, having grown and participated with the internet culture, from opening a youtube channel to make dumb videos back in 2008, to breaking 2 pcs while trying to emulate the latest games, and even using MySpace.
But real football is soo much different than those experiences. I get that many people where football is a sashionable thing see us as boomers. Eventhough they are our age. But true football culture is something unique. I remember watching my first game in 2009 and skipping school for a week with my friends family, and feeling a sense of freedom that was trutly unique. I remember in 2015 watching a game in Canada and seen a guy wearing the shirt from my home team, over 4k kilometers away, in another continent: we were instantly brothers. Or as a broke student going to a bar to watch James debute for Bayern and a dad who just finished work paying for my bill.
Well my local club is Real Zaragoza (I support it of course),it was a Copa del Rey champion in the 2000s and an Intertoto winner.Now it’s in the second division of Spain (mid table) and it’s still great.
I feel the idea of missing your club. I am a gillingham fan and 5 years ago I moved to Northern Ireland and since then ive desperately missed going down to that shitty 10k seater stadium and watching us finish 18th. Since moving here though some of the best experiences I've had has been travelling over to england to watch gillingham away games up north, that goal against Salford on the final day seeing 800 of us travelling up the other end of the country, going ballistic launching flares etc was incredible
As a man who doesn’t live in the UK 🇬🇧 and is a fan of a bottom half of the table (Everton) it’s not always available to watch these games I can see your point but we are still fans of the certain teams
I think the other issues in other countries is the lack of promotion for local football clubs so there isn't an interest to support them like I only know my local club cause my friend plays for their youth team but apparently they have a senior team. Where or who they play I don't know. This effectively means the clubs that mostly catch the attention of my generation are the two biggest in the country Chiefs and Pirates while I'm in the same province as them they aren't clubs close to me. This problems goes to other places too are people who live more 500km away from where Chiefs/Pirates are support them over their local teams or teams in the city/province that are literally in the top flight with Chiefs and Pirates. I myself admit I'm part of the problem as I support Sundowns the biggest team currently in SA yet I live over 50km away from their based but I support them cause of my father who was a big fan of theirs.
I miss the old days old tactics no diving no money not corupt
i think the fact that LIFE is not the same anymore is the main thing... unfortunately (or not) our subcouncious will always be attached to the past as "it was better back then...", less stress, anxiety, expectations and much, much more independence... i guess ignorance is truly a bliss...
I disagree, there’s pockets of fan groups all over the world. I’m a Man united fan in Australia and there’s a good group of people around me that follow united and Liverpool as well as teams like villa leeds etc and every time united and Liverpool play or when one passes the other in the league, we’re always bantering, giving each other shit and coming together watching the games and it’s a great atmosphere