F35 vs SU35 - which would win?
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F35 vs SU35 - which would win?
American F35 and SU35 are two of the world’s latest fighter jets. We thought it will be interesting to compare the capabilities of these modern aircraft and try to determine which would win in a real aerial battle against each other.
The F35 comes with three types of models know as F35A, F35B and F35C, all with different functions. Pentagon plans to acquire over 3,100 F35, which if delivered will make the F35 one of the most numerous fighter jets ever built.
On the other hand, SU35 is the upgraded version of SU27, though an exceptional jet with much improvement. It is so modernized that it attracts the attention of many countries and only China could make its purchase.
1. Specifications
Let’s have a look at some specifications first.
As of today, around 500 F35s have been built so far. F35B and F35C are comparatively more expensive as per unit cost of F35B and F35C are $116M and $109M respectively, while F35A price tag is around $79M. Operated by crew of 1, the Aircraft’s empty weight is 29,300lb and maximum takeoff weight is around 70,000lb. The jet is powered by a single engine producing 43,000 pounds of thrust. With the help of this engine, the aircraft can gain top speed of Mach 1.6 or about 1,228mph. With the maximum range of 1,700mi, the jet can combat within the radius of 770mi. F35’s climb rate is around 45,000 ft/min and it can reach at maximum altitude of 50,000ft. The aircraft is fitted with 4 internal hardpoints and 6 external weapon stations with a total payload capacity of 18,000Ib. F35 is also armed with a 25mm 4-barrel rotary cannon.
In contrast, around 115 SU35 have been built so far with per unit cost of $85M. Operated by a crew of 1, the aircraft comes in at weight of 41,888lb with maximum takeoff weight of 76,059Ib. The Jet is powered by 2 afterburning turbofan engines generating 64,000 pounds of thrust combined. With the help of these engines, the jet can reach at top speed of 1,500mph. With ferry range of 2,800mi, the jet can combat within the radius of 990mi. SU35’s climb rate is around 55,000 ft/min and it can reach at maximum altitude of 59,000ft. The aircraft comes with 12 hardpoints with ordnance carrying capacity of 17,630Ib. The fighter jet is also armed with a 30mm auto cannon.
2. Stealth
The F35 has lead in this category as SU35 is not a stealth aircraft at all, however for perspective, the SU35's radar cross section is between 1 to 3 sqm, or about the size of a large table while the RCS of F35 is about the size of an insect…
3. Maneuverability
SU35 is based on SU27 platform, so its status as a "super maneuverable" fighter is a matter of fact. Although both jets can slip into heavily defended targets on the ground. F35 will be better in those scenarios while the SU35 is better for air to air battles…
4. Radar & Avionics
The F35 is outfitted with latest AN/APG-81 radar capable of tracking 23 targets in 9 seconds and engaging 19 of them in 2.4 seconds. The range of F35 radar is confidential; however some defense analysts believe that this radar can detect a target beyond 300 miles. On the other hand, SU35 employs the powerful Irbis-E radar, capable of detecting an aerial target up to 250mi away. With the help of this radar, SU35 can track 30 airborne targets and engage 8 targets simultaneously.
5. Firepower
Both planes are equipped with state of the art missiles capable of shooting each other. SU35's need to carry ordinance outside the fuselage is a slight disadvantage, but in general the first aircraft to score a clean hit will win…
Watch full video for detailed Conclusion.
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#F35 #SU35 #Stealth - Zábava
I love How the cold war continued in the comment sections in youtube
i love the cold war, PERIOD!
@nhà độc tài Yang Wen Li no one asked but ok
The cold war never ended it just paused for 20 years and continued after that mess in Libya
ill solve it all
i like the united states of russia
(i like both lol)
@@blockvfive1196 this guy Just single handedly ended all national conflicts
The only way to know who is better is a paintball fight, so no one gets hurt.
Каждый год всем желающим русские предлагают вступить в учебный воздушный бой с СУ-35 . прошло 7 лет . желающих до сих прор нет.
Untill one cheats and freezes their paintballs..
@@gjswank thats a myth
@@user-dr8xr1tr9z Who would be dumb enough to allow a controlled situation for another country to study their technology?
@@gjswank XD. Then someone uses a bearing ball.
The lack of stealth is a problem not just against other fighters, but against anti-air ground weapons as well.
Then stay on the Ground.
There are no stealth fighters, its just a propaganda. The first stealth fighter F-117 was shot down by an old russian radar and rocket system in the 90's, just by modifying the wavelength of the radar (by officer Zoltan Dani). The precise explanation of "stealth fighters" is that they are invisible for most of the radar systems, but not all.
@@kisstamas7760 the door was jammed open, and the interior of the Bombay of the f117, get your fucking facts right
@@kisstamas7760 absolute indectability does not exist, but it is a factor to take into account. In that case "something" was detected but not "where" they simply fired at random, the F117 was not even equipped with a radar alert, or countermeasures, the pilot simply did not know that he was being shot at, so he could not take any defensive action .
@@kisstamas7760 First off, the SAM operator correctly predicted the F117 bombing route, as it was used multiple times. Not only did the operator have early intelligence, but the bomber pilot didn't know they were detected in the first place. The low frequency radar gave early warning, however could not achieve a radar lock onto the F117 until it's bomb bay doors were opened.
The doctrine differences are significant, Su-35 is clearly still based around the concept of close target engagement whereas western concepts are based around medium to long range engagement and network centric warfare. The average AMRAAM missile doesn't give much of a rip about the Su-35 having a bigger gun or thrust vectoring as it comes barrelling in at mach 4 from 80nm away. You can ask the Serbian air force how well supermaneuverability served their pilots during BVR engagements. At closer ranges those two enormously hot engines are an ideal target for the latest generation of sidewinder missiles which have significantly improved in their maneuverability compared to the older AIM-L/M variants. Basically it's touting your skill to fire an uzi when you are fighting an enemy that has carbines and sniper rifles.
Excellent points all.
Su35- 4gen
f35- 5gen
this could have ended
comparison is incorrect
Why not just strap these AMRAAMs to a much cheaper Cessna 152. We are talking about air superiority fighters and not the payload's capability. Besides TWO hot engines is not much more of a heat signature than a single hot engine...its how you program the missile to recognize the heat signature, heck they can even lock onto heat being reflected by the sun through the fuselage
serbs didnt have awacs support , nor they had the best equiped variants in terms of electronic warfare(jaming), nor they could afford to atack in packs of over 20 aircrafts group and fire multiple missiles at a single target. So your example is irelevant. Same applies in Iraq.
After seeing the total fail which is the Russian airforce in Ukraine. I think the SU-35's primary purpose is to look good at airshows.
I hope they will never meet in a real-world scenario.
Hope these two will not meet each other.....
Why not ? it will be fun
Only at airshows.
if They Fight = World War 3
JOE BLOW ME yeah fun, so fun, in fact so much fun😐
@@shabab189 , BLOW ME🤣🤣🤣
i find both of these machines facinating and incredable but at the same time i hope they never get used fo actual combat
asuming the SU35 will take off.
Both are capable of killing each other, it's just a matter of who see first.
And the F-35 would see and shoot fisrt
@@joeblowme5427 you don't know how things play out in a war do you
@@rajaydon1893 no one does tbh
No the SU35 will shoot first
@@dz7290 , IN YOUR WET DREAMS MAYBE
This comparison didn't age well. There is no comparison between those two. They are galaxies away.
tbf Russia haven't deployed any to Ukraine. Although this is because they only have 4 which they use for airshows haha
@@bengoacher4455 and even those 4 were probably just painted over F-15s, haha.
@@bengoacher4455 They are exclusively for airshows!
Well airshows are all the Su-35 is good for. It's pretty spectacular at them, though...gotta give them that much.
True, the su probably works when it rains unlike some other planes
Whom ever sees the enemy first wins so this isn’t even close.
that`s right, so being as undetectable as possible is an extremely important property (not online stealth capablities of the jet but the ability of the pilot to use stealthy tactics)
this assume if it is a 1 on 1, in large formation battle, you won't have the benefit of staying out of detection. especially if your mission is to protect other plane like refueler, bomber, transporter. than the problem of the F35 carrying only 4 missiles would become a worrying problem. this is why US is buying more F15. F35 is good for certain role but it can't do enough in a war where both side has 100s of planes...
@@lagrangewei You always have the opportunity to reduce your threshold of detection. There isn’t one tactic that fits all situations.
Everyone assumed while the Iraqis had Russian equipment they couldn’t fly it as well or had the tactics of the Russians. Well he have now seen that the Russians fly Russian equipment no better than the Iraqis did.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 which is my point. stealth can be a liability as much as an asset. as for your russian comment, it make no sense considering the russian were successful in supressing ukraine, this is why ukraine ask for a no-fly-zone. i am not sure why you bring that up when that is not what we are discussing. the silly statement that it is about who see who first is flawed. it is also a failure to understand early warning system.
@@lagrangewei The Russians have not successfully suppressed Ukraine air assets. That is why we have seen the Ukrainians taking out tanks, ammunition dumps, oil storage, and command centers from the air. The Ukrainians also haven’t been able to suppress Russian air assets. Right now the air war is the only part of the war that favors the Russians, but they still aren’t dominating it. That is why the Ukrainians have asked for a no fly zone. It hurts the Russians in the one area they have an advantage over Ukraine. It hurts Russia more than it hurts the Ukrainians.
Stealth is never a liability unless you sacrifice some other critical resource to achieve it.
"Russia is no less competent in terms of modern warfare technology"
that didn't age well
Yeah. More like:
The F35 would win by default, because the SU35 would not show up because it would have been shot down by Ukrainians before it could even get in range.
@@highdefinist9697 it would have dropped out of the sky before reaching the Russian border when its fuel ran out...
@@highdefinist9697 you're funny
Read techology again...
@@highdefinist9697 I raise your bet. The F35 would win by default, because the SU35 would not show up because it would have been shot down by Ukrainians before it had been produced.
Avoiding sight contact with a defender by pre-elimination with further reaching ordinance is an ancient and well proven technique.
Definitely favored in prolonging the lives of Pilots and aircraft.
@Jesus is coming. Read the Gospel. you internet christ cucks are really off-putting
This is of course assuming that the F-35 has no ordinance on its wings because as soon as it does, it's no longer stealthy and the Russians could pick-it off with their R-37M LAAMs while remaining safely outside of AIM-120 range.
Even if an unladen-winged F-35 successfully takes down an Su-35, it will be doing so at the cost of its own existence. The second that bomb bay opens, the "invisible" F-35 has the RCS of a Strike Eagle which means that it would get an E-37M up its butt. The Russians also have IR-guided LAAMs which would easily spot the P&W F135's gigantic exhaust plume. There is no "clean win" scenario for the F-35 and, considering the huge difference in manufacturing cost, Russia would happily trade one Su-35 for every F-35 downed because that's a financial victory for them. I have no belief that it costs more to build ANY Sukhoi than it costs to build any variant of the F-35.
Float like a butterfly sting like a bee, a man can’t touch what a man can’t see… stealth superior 💯
So the man create the net that stop the mosquito which flies in the black night... or drigt the standing water.
Of course a modern 21st century lockheed jet is better than an old soviet late 80s fighter. Except maneuverability, Su-35 was designed to be supermaneuverable unlike the F-35.
@@fork9001 yeah and that isnt even a better - worse scenario since the f35 is designed to kill its opponent long before it ever come into visual range
@@Helperbot-2000 Pretty sure Su-35 has BVRAAM options too, but it’s inferior to the F-35.
That's probably true when you are always fighting militants, but when you are fighting a foe with modern weapons, that superiority is eroded. Radars, stingers and Patriots have kept Russia from Air Supremacy, but not Ukraine's jets.
Scrap em all and build bbq’s
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An air-to-air missile isn't going to be impressed by flips and twirls by the SU-35. Dog fighting is nearly dead. Though it may happen once in a great while, designing your entire aircraft around it is a mistake.
Thing is the SU-35 was not created for dog fighting, that is the Mig35. Su035 mainly objective is a bomber, unlike the F35 that is mainly objective is dog fight.
@@vrrc7686 Nope. The F35 is not a dog fighter. It kills before a dogfight has a chance to develop. It can perform air to air combat, but it has other capabilities as well.
The F35 is a multirole combat aircraft intended to perform both air superiority and strike missions it’s also used for intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and electronic warfare. In a real air simulated battle they pitted six F22 Raptors against one F35 Lightning II, and yes the F35 took out all six Raptors before the F22 pilots even knew where the F35 was!
It's all a question of what you are up to. If you are expecting enemies other than american F35 then the russian approach might hold true. Right now they are fighting Ukraine and they have jets of russian origin as well.
@@BipolarAyatollah - The main objective of the F35 was to dismantle the F16's in the future. What is the main objective of the F16's? dog fighting. Yes, the F35 can perform other capabilities. You hear that even on the russian side about the SU35, but their main objective of the F35 is dog fighting from a distance, while the SU35 is mainly a bomber w/ minor capabilities for dog fighting.
In a beauty contest its the SU35 every single time...
Beauty is subjective and russian planes are like supermodels nice line's from a distance but plenty of imperfections up close personally my favorite 4th gen aircraft Is the f/a 18 superhornet
@@sergiosaudiolog2259 😁😁😂
@@sergiosaudiolog2259 Is what you think lol
Ha Ha Ha
The problem with beauty is it's often lacking in brains ....
All I know, is that the SU-35 is one of the most gorgeous aircraft to ever grace the sky.
@Geo Thomas Probably from the engineers at Sukhoi.
It sure is!What an impressive piece of engineering.Everytime I look at one,it reminds me of a deadly cobra snake!
Looks the same as an su27
@@spartanx9293 Yes- an upgraded variant.
@Robert S yeah they were totally not the aggressor during the war over Crimea
SU-35 is an air to air fighter and the F-35 is an air to ground fighter, shouldn’t be pitting the two together. F-22 would be a more appropriate comparison, and the SU wouldn’t stand a chance.
F-35 is a multirole fighter.
@@WmSrite-pi8ck: F-35 is multi configured for different branches of the military but in all configurations it is an air to ground fighter, big difference from a air to air fighter.
cap,SU is 5x better
@@asnovaable K
@@scolee6408 No, it's not. The F-35 wouldn't even look the same at all if it wasn't designed for air-to-air combat.
"what's better, a truck or a car"
It seems that one thing is never made clear. In the early days of F-35 videos when they were still testing, I saw the F-35 get followed by a drone from behind and the F-35 was able to shoot it down without facing the target. The directed aperture system enables the aircraft to target in all directions while flying in any other, so the F-35 doesn't need to maneuver.
The su-35 can do the same with its look and shoot capability, basically all the pilot needs to do is look in the general direction of its target and bam you have a lock on to it
The winner is usually the one who sees his opponent first. With the superior stealth and ability to fire missiles in any direction the advantage is with the F-35
@@crankthetank3581 the only thing Russian pilots have to do is perform physically impossible thing - to look right behind them!... not to mention the targets out of their visual reach... The Russians are simply outdated and outnumbered. they are far behind Western civilization and technology. their finances are too weak to keep up with us. the only thing i give them is that they have good air defense systems (at least on paper) but now we are talking fighter jets.
@@verbal_DK Yup, they are so behind western civilization. That's good for them, at least they're not creating 100 new genders, BLM shit and other crap that's destroying Europe right now, hah.
@@D3nz13 ah yes, that's what a loser always say after losing a debate. When you lose a debate, you start to talk about genders... to attack your opponent. You are the person who change your ground while losing to opponent.
0:19 i was like wtf when did this got developed.
At 90s
At this point, the question is: which one would take off and not explode during cruise? And we all know the answer...
What's the answer?
Coming up " How I shot down the F 35," exclusive interview with the Red Baron...
Well, these birds can still face each other without devastating WW3. Two other countries which bought the planes from US and Russia can clash in some local war... But the outcome would much depend on the well prepared pilots too...
Don't they get Export Versions wich are downgraded?
I have two names in mind, Maverick or rather Ice Man ???
I agree with you 100%. It all depends on the experience and expertise of the pilots. Obviously,both planes are extremely dangerous but the one with the best pilot,would end up being the best plane.
The maneuverability is limited by the human body which can only handle about 9 Gs, both planes are limited by the pilots.
True.
American military pilots seem to be having a lot of health problems, lately.
Russian pilots didn't take an mRNA injection.
@@sarahbrown5073 hahahaha did you see the tubby guy the ukrainian's shot down? He was a vet of multiple wars too.
The F35 has 360 degree targeting and firing. That alone means the pilot doesn't need to be pulling high G maneuvers. It can fire and let the missile do the maneuvering. SU35 wouldn't stand a chance.
@@sarahbrown5073 LOL You anti vaxxers are too much. I got all 3 shots. I ran a half marathon last week and beat my pre vaccination best time.
@@bail10k31 ridiculous
Close combat SU35, range combat F-35
I would assume dogfighting depends on the quality of the pilot. Given recent events im not sure id place a large wager that russia is full of well trained active duty fighter aces.
Conscripts make great pilots
@@charlessmith3940 Wouldn't matter if all their bullets have been traded for Vodka 🤔
There arent any aces currently serving in the airforce
@@charlessmith3940 Conscripts cannot and would not be pilots in any circumstances. Special-trained officers only
Because of the F-35's stealth it will get a first shot first kill.
SU 35 is an amazing jet for strikes .. but F35 is a flying computer and it will always eliminate threats beyond visual range... F35 is just on another level.
@Tony MontanaRussia has lost more planes through accidents than it has in battle. The only Russian aircraft in history to have a positive Kill to Death ratio is the SU-27.
@Tony Montana f35b is the least maneuverable of the 3 variants. The f35b crash was because it injested a rain cover into its lift fan.
@Tony Montana Due to a rain cover that should have been removed before flight. Simple human error.
Yes another level of uselessness
@@Jab_Air because old russian aircraft with bad pilots fought much newer american jets
They both have their strengths and their weaknesses. I would love to fly a MIG though I'm not going to lie
MIGs? The same one with over 40 crash counts, I guess your a daredevil type, not going to argue, Stay safe
I think it also depends on the pilot, strategy, maintenance, equipment
If you combine these two warplanes you have an even more effective warplane:
The FU 35. ( eff you )
7:37 I thought it was a pilot's face when he was worried about his favorite aircraft in competition xd
In ur dreamz
I know this doesn't retain the airplanes I remember racingdirt bikes and roll 1980s CR60 two-cycle engine was whipping the 1990s to cycle 250. a lot of it's in the driver pilot did anything racing drag or NASCAR
Robert Jackson ช
The F35, 5 Gen. aircraft should be compared to the SU57 5 Gen. not the SU35 4++ Generation.
Su35 is enough
@@puppetmasternostringsonme8293 Not at all
@@DeadSkyWT ask your Generals
@@puppetmasternostringsonme8293 My generals? I am not from America, lol. And, the SU-35 can't do much against the F-35.
@@puppetmasternostringsonme8293 They can put up a fight though
nice fighter jet comparison video
Something to note is that USAF has trained against allied MiG-29s in mock battles (thanks to the fall of the USSR). Of course there are going to be differences, but the general flight envelope of the MiG-29 & Su-27/35 are very similar. NATO has likely already understood the strengths and weaknesses of Russia's fighter jet design doctrine. This contrasts Russia, who hasn't had any experience with American jets except 80s F-14/16s. Also, the F-35A and F-22 handle have much superior AoA abilities compared to American 4th gen, so another mystery.
*I pray to God that none of what I said will matter and WW3 doesn't break out, and I'm not even a fighter pilot so what do I know*
Don't worry. Not every expert at "Janes" or "Jane's" has combat experience. This includes experience flying military aircraft.
F15 they have iran and will also study about them hahaha
Doesn’t matter they have S300’s S400’s and now S500’s 😯😲
@@legend9805 Iran has the stripped out F-14A from the 1970s
I hope you understand that you can't compare the capabilities of a MiG-29 or an Su-27 with a Su-35S or an Su-57? There are 20 years of modernization and development between them. Don't mistake the Su-27M (wich often was called Su-35) with the latest Su-35S, wich is based on a Su-30.
The Sukhoi is dancing in the air, amazing
its called the cyka ballet
Stunning Russian maneuverability, the faster and better armed SU-35 is an amazing adversary. I'm sure both airplanes have some secret tricks up their sleeves too.
That dancing equals loss of power, and is mostly useless outside airshows...
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F15 or F18 would probably be a better match. But based on the surgent state of the Russian military a static display Phantom would probably be too much for the SU35 to handle.
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F15/F18 would be destroyed before they ever saw the Su-35 on radar. lol
F35. The Sukhoi's wheel would probably fall off on the runway.
There is wrong caption of the jets at the start of the video. Please read the jets names interchangeably. Apologies for the inconvenience caused.
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@@liamloxley1222 chill
@@liamloxley1222 what are you? 10? Grow up
@@liamloxley1222 ok boomer
The SU35 looks better, but the F35 is more advance and has better sensors, meaning it would pick up the Su35 first. So the F35 would win /thread
Organizing beauty contest?
The look of the F35 has definitely grown on me. It's like any new fashion, or car style, it looks weird at first, but then it grows on you, everyone copies, and the older style suddenly looks dated. So now I find any fighter that doesn't have the stealth look, just looks dated.
Form follows the function.
Uh it has bad radars but good stealth most american planes have a problem with radars but there stealth is incredible
@@jade7631 You're entirely wrong at this point ok now so for example in my logic and calculations u would see all over in the internet that the An/apg 81 has a km of 150km can I tell u the reason why? It is because of LPI or the US just don't want reveal its true capabilities LPI is a low probability of intercept radar it is a radar employing meassures to avoid being detected by Passive radar detection equipement such as RWR radar warning recievers when some detects u by radar u will get a warning and electronic support recievers and now Time to get into this now so PD means tracking possible at a range of 55 to 65 percent detection range. Now cued search small search. Box can easily extend the range to 50 percent because of much longer dwell times being used meaning how much the radar focuses on the object. That means 345km range against 3m2 rcs and 454km in those criteria and also the su 35 and rcs of 1m2 I think sof yes the apg 77v1 the upgraded variant uses the same GaaS modules that is on the apg 81 and the An apg 77v1 has a detection range of 400km for 1m2 target and that means An Apg 81 that means 400km for 1m2 target that is the rcs of the su35 in think so yes the f35 will just far away flank it after it detects it and use other kind of tactics
The US just has better sensors avionics and radar and better stealth capabilities the rcs of the su 57 is 1m2 and it has the rcs of a clean f18 superhornet
Cant shoot down if you cant see it. How are the Su's working vs Javs?
SU35: Power is everything!
F35: You can't hit what you can't see!
lol ...SU 35 Pilot " peekaboo I see you " ...Italian F35 Pilot " mayday maday i need a diaper change" lmao
@@armancho76 Making fun of yourself?)
HAHAHAHA SU 35 EASY TARGET ORDINARY U.S.A. MADE portable handheld missiles.... kill highest score.... SAD PUTIN OLD TECH
Actually the Su-35 can see it.
The F-22 is the opponent any Russian jet will face in a dogfight, that's its role in the air fleet, the F-35 is a sniper, sets up for a shot, takes out its assigned targets and leaves the area.
we saw how your f22 escaped from su35 on the sky of Syria
@@voodooo3971 Yeah, they should have stayed and fought and started a full scale nuclear war. Fucking moron.
@@voodooo3971 Like you think we wanted them to know we were there at that moment and get into a dogfight? I’m sure you’re an advanced straying of the highest order.
tremedar that’s what I’m talking about you only hero against weak countries like Iraq Libya Syria Yugoslavia Vietnam but when you face Russia you squeeze you tail under your ...
The real truth is that All countries are always chasing the yanks and the brits in all forms. Always copying, always trying
What happened to the time tested old saying: "Mine is bigger than yours!"?! 😁
That only applies to bombs.
@@TheRealBillBob You are a "Bob"... 😝
@@v.german11b Uh okay. I guess that's funny in your own mind.
@@TheRealBillBob Look who's talkin'! You are the "joker on steroids" 😝
When f35,Su35 meets bird as in bird strike, it’s goodbye to plane, pilot and bird
Forgot to add "All the data is approximate, since the Ministries of Defense of both countries sent us to fuck with such questions" 🤣
Well, according to the intel that has come out about Russian pilots only getting 8 hours of flight time every month it doesn’t matter which jet is superior. U.S. pilot training is significantly better. Game over.
@The Love Bug how many Russian jets got shot down by mpads…FUCKING MPADS. REGULAR ASS INFANTRY SHOOTING DOWN FUCKING FIGHTER JETS.
@The Love Bug It’s amazing how many clueless assholes like yourself are lurking around on CZcams.
@The Love Bug Probably somewhere waiting for you to give him another head job. 🤣
They had a 10-1 advantage in numbers and newer equipment, yet they can't even establish air superiority over Ukraine. The whole Russian army is plagued by incompetence, poor planning and leadership, stuck with the mentality of WW2 tactics. They should've easily taken the country and it calls into question all the years of media saying they're still a potent military. Just like old Soviet days, they just lie and brag about their capabilities. It's not like they care about shooting civilians or sustaining heavy losses, since their propaganda machine will cover it up.
Good thing the pilots of ny country are trained in USA.
F35 was actually able to fly in formation undetected by the SU35 if that says anything.
Story!
F35 falls from sky by themselves... no guns fired. xD
@@cecirodrigues2016 So I've heard....sheesh.
@@cecirodrigues2016 nahh you call that stupid pilots not the planes fault
@@cecirodrigues2016 woww.....cristopher Columbus you just discovered that? ...go tell the Americans so they wont spend trillions of dollars on F35s. You are a genius!
Comes down to technology.
Russian planes are using Garmin satnavs duct taped to their consuls.
My theory is that the F35 can fly on it's own remotely controlled like a drone. I think this because the articles that I read where the pilot passes out the F35 never crashes.
@Tim Roll
Fantazy.
The F35 crashed 5 Times in less than a year. Once because the software is so bad it sometimes doesn't allow go arounds.
Once because the undercarriage is software actuated and did not extend...
All Korean F35 are grounded for software problems.
The first crash i mentionnned partly occurred because the pilot was not at his best, lacking oxygen from the obogs.
@@alexdarcydestsimon3767 Well they never mentioned any crashes, which is not a surprise. So I was going off that. Thanks for info.
This comment section basically is a bunch of 5 yr olds arguing about whos dad is stronger...
And im very annoyed by these people, please just grow up
This is a discussion. No one gives two shits if you are annoyed. That is a sign that you aren't grown up.
@Wade French you just pulled the I know you are but what am I card. A mountain isn't wrong lol. These comments are literally about who's daddy is stronger. Like grow up get a job man up and do things for yourself. Just a life lesson that you maybe never learned. Most of you people don't even study political science and have no idea what you are talking about. All your info comes from video games and movies. You clearly know nothing of history or warfare
If you are actualy annoyed then you must also classify yourself as a five year old. Now be quiet and go stand in the corner!
If you are annoyed , why do you go read the section comment ?
@@cesaralvarez7112 I know you are but what am I card? A mountain isn't wrong? What is the sweet fuck are you talking about?
People who get annoyed because someone disagrees with them are not adults. If a persons ego is so easily offended they should simply stay out of discussions. Pretty simple. Somehow I think you read a little more into this or something was lost in translation.
Answer: ukrainian tractor would kick both of their asses.
ukrainian tractor companies are gonna be the big winner from this war. Invest now!
Haha true ..
@@captainalex157 There is no war at all ..This is a fucking propaganda like covid horse shit ... Everything is for the fucking mind control and money ...Don't you see those images are from old wars back in the 90s and video game simulators..
"Genral Kaperski! USA has developed F35! It has one big burny thing!"
- We develop own version. We name SU35 and give two burny things!
As a 3rd Generation of Lockheed Team members, we still stand by the Motto: Look to Lockheed for Leadership!
Just because they have 35 in there name doesn't mean that they are for same class
was just thinking this lmao, completely different generations
Su-35 had it's first flight in 1988.
I recently watched a video about Baron Manfred von Richthofen, the top scoring WWI fighter ace. Most of his kills were not in dogfights, nor was that his preferred method of killing. Most were attacking unsuspecting targets. This is the philosophy of the F35.
And, by the way, the price of the SU35 and the F35A are not very different.
Then there’s the question of numbers. There are a whole lot more F35’s than SU35’s and this will continue to be true; in fact, the balance is likely to tilt more. From what I know of Russian numbers, it will take Russia until 2027 to have enough SU35’s and Su57’s combined to roughly equal American F22 inventory., which is to say a little under 200 fighters. This completely ignores F35 inventory which is already over double that. If SU35’s face F35’s it will not be at a 1:1 ratio. Nor will it even have to be greater than 1:1 in stealth fighters because of American airborne data sharing as an F35’s data can provide firing coordinates for F15’s and F16’s beyond Russian radar range.
This is the philosophy of all modern jets. Close combat is quite obsolete with modern medium-long range missiles. It's more elecronic warfare than anything.
@Kicabran Ticta one big kaboom ,and noone flying after that
All leading aces practiced this way of fighting
@Hendrix Cody against who? afghanistan? iraq?
Current F35 production rate is one plane every two work days. There is not even a theoretical chance the russia can match this. See dear putin, PhotShop weapons don't win real wars; good for fans, but nothing else. For those unfamiliar with Ukraine: the ground is thawing and huge convoy is limited ONLY to paved roads. Blow first few vehicles and everything stands still. Sitting ducks for Ukrainians. I found that they have flooded the fields as well. Running out of fuel and even food. By far the worst part is exposing to the world just how hugely incompetent they are.
In reality, this is a missile lock contest. If you are visible to the missile lock, you are dead meat, if you are not, you live. Dog fighting is a bit outmoded.
I feel like an f22 would be a better matchup since it's a designated dogfighter jet, compared to the multirole f35
more likely the su57 would be a better match up against the f22 seen as they are both 5th gen jets
Air superiority fighters do not mean dog fighting. Dog fighting would never happen with modern jets.
Man i Love both of them😂👌
I hope I never see any of these machines of violence.
I would think the level of training and competency of the pilots would have some to do with the outcome.
There's an understatement for you!!
You should change this to Su-35 vs dude with a shoulder fired rocket to make this remotely fair.
"Who would win?"
AN/APG-81 Beyond Visual Range capabilities: *"Am I a joke to you?"*
yes you are 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
AIM-120 can do the job.
The two aircrafts have nothing in common but the number. They are totally diffrent fields. F35 A multirole fight/attack aircraft, SU35 a swing role air superiority
And Russia doesn’t have enough su35s to keep up. And it doesn’t have enough spare parts to keep them in the air in a war with the USA. They would have to rely on China to make parts at a relatively high rate. But we would bomb those plants
We see it now with them in Ukraine.
@@davelowesky8054 Well .. Russia don´t have enough of anything. Specially not pilot.
They having 1000 fighters sounds very impressive... Until you realize that they really just have 200-300 pilots with sufficient hours
“We thought it would be interesting to compare…” this is a thought exercise and the narrator said that.
@@1rstTry you can compare a hatchback to a barge if you wanto.. but waht would you get out of it
And the US won't send such aircraft on 1:1 dogfight missions.
They will have a better intel and take care that they have a numerical superiority alone in escort fighters. Intel, communication and coordination are the great assets of the US military.
Even the Western Europeans could trash this Russian air force. There are a lot of jokes about how few jets are actually airworthy, but therefore these numbers are correct and can be buckled up if needed. Actually, the press is often over exaggerating these numbers.
All of the other F35s win. Every time. Sherman tank theory, anyone?
In most gunfights in Wild West movies, it's the quickest draw that wins. In this scenario, therefore, F35 wins. Another way to look at it: if you're ambushed in a Western movie, you're probably a goner. In this scenario, therefore, F35 wins again.
Answer: the better pilot
Modern war now is basically who can see the other guy first.
Guys, by see each other first I meant who's radar can see the other first, not actually see each other with there eyes. In modern warfare who ever fires of the first missile is more likely to win because unless you are facing off against a very well trained, and very skilled pilot. The person that fires a missile first, even if it misses, puts the enemy into a defensive stance against your attacks.
How can you see a plane 100 km away from you..? with your eyes?
@@Bojan8309 sensors you absolute weapon
More like which radar see the other plane first
That’s what they said when they invented air to air missiles how wrong were they
Su35 has the smart rocket. The fight to be finished before this is started. I think it's not secret information.
They needed 2 sidewinders to shoot down a balloon. How many sidewinders will they need to shoot down a SU35 from BVR?😂😂😂
You use an amraam in BVR so zero sidewinders are needed 😂
The sensor suite of the F35 makes this a no-brainer
9:35 Stealth or maneuverability? Stealth is always going to better to have. What good is maneuverability if you can't even get close enough to dogfight?
This is almost like asking: "which is better for crossing the ocean a car or an air plane?"
Oh, they both 35 OK now we know they work together in pretty much everything
I’ve heard that when faced with more maneuverable opponents, the f-35 pilots will make a run for it and try to exit the fight. One of the unique capabilities of the F35 is being able to target airplanes in any orientation, even behind it, so maneuverability becomes less relevant if you don’t have to point your nose at an opponent to fire. As the plane exits the fight, the pilots can target the opponents and have the missiles do the maneuvering rather than the aircraft.
Ngl, I call BS
гладко было на бумаге, но забыли про овраги! а по ним ходить....
@@angryhedgehog4266 f35 isn't a dog fighter, it's a air superiority aircraft. The pilots helmet allows for the entire aircraft to be "see-through" and the plan relies on it's payload to do the dirty work
@@user-gh5iz4mb2y овраги это что? Разгильдяйство? Безответственность? Жестокость?…
where from ??? the hanger ?? awaiting parts as it cant fly
well, the F-35 is THE giant pork barrel project, so....
After the magnificent preformance in Ukraine, it is safe to say even an f-14 can go head to head agains't the su35
Hell an F4 Phantom 🤣
As far as I know no SU 35 were taken down, instead they striked dozen of ucrania mig 29 and su25
@@stefanomarchesani8804 Atleast 3 SU-35's have been shot down. There's literally images of them
your country was owned by goat herder
One is a Striker, the other is a DCA Fighter. Thats like comparing an apple to a rabbit.
F says
Invisuable range : You are Fucked up!
visuable range : I am Fucked up!
Read about PLAAF exercises against Royal Thai Air Force, Falcon Strike. A Chinese test pilot said that because of the RTAF Gripen low RCS and longer reach AIM-120, the Su-27SK got killed 44 to 2 in BVR, but was opposite in WVR against the under-powered Gripen, and had the helmet-cued R-73 or Chinese copy of the Python-3.
Then they sent J-10s down to even out the odds, especially the later J-10C with DSI inlet and really low RCS, with much longer range PL-15 BVRAAM. PLAAF also did internal tactical exploitation of all its fighters against each other and even the Su-35S did not fair well against the J-10C. Why? Lower RCS and AESA in J-10C equals first-look. PL-15 equals first-shoot.
F-35 has a lower RCS 3 decimal places lower than J-10C, a bigger, superior AESA, and IR stealth. So no matter the distance, the F-35 is superior to any Flanker variant, and there isn’t anything you can do to change that.
Which would win? In a beauty contest, SU35 hands down, it just looks so elegant. Guess that's sorted, didn't even have to watch the video 😎
Wow the su-35 is something of a beauty and a beast at the same time
F-35. Hi
SU-35. Hello
S-400. HEY!! WELCOME TO MY WORLD 😆
Hypersonic missiles: hey-
SR-92: Haha laser weapons go brrrrrrrrrr
SU-57: Hahah kids
@@bilakaeraastakeriada None has been delivered yet and the first batch of delivery (22) is set to occur by 2024. A production version is set to be shown this year at the Moscow air show in July.
@@tropicalstorm339 They already have twelve that are built. The plane is officially in service.
@@shankc3526 A report as of January this year (2021) said that they received one on Christmas... *one.* It says that development of the Izdeliye 30 engine (the final production engine) is still ongoing. The first one delivered in 2019 crashed. The other 10 are *test aircrafts* and not for combat. Again, the engine that will eventually power the *real* SU57 is still in development.
I know it would never stack up against today's aircraft but my all time favorite will always be the F4 Phantom. It was like the Charger of the 60's and into the 70's.
The video was good, not great, and I learned a good deal more about these birds than I knew before.
Yes this is one of mt favorites wasn't it in the veitnam wars as an American bomber
Yes this is one of mt favorites wasn't it in the veitnam wars as an American bomber
Yeah, This guy doesn't know the technical aspects of F35, its EW package being the m OJ st advanced in the world and how its tied to stealth therefore requiring a tenth of the power of its radar to hide F35 and other jets, its ability to send virus signals into enemy Sam's systems. Its das system!!
Vaše srački, voči Ruským nemajú šancu. Preberte sa už konečne. Vy USA agresori.
@@peterrepka4080 Getting personel won't help. Discussionhas to be objective and technical, not political.
The better PILOT always wins.
If we believe the unverified hover and invisibility hype of the F35 maybe it's responsible for the wave of ufo sightings in America 😂
Reminds me of the Tiger tanks against the Shermans. It was quality against quantity and in that case quantity won. Do not forget History.
Limited supply of the actual Tiger tanks was problematic - fewer than 500 MKIIs and circa 1350 Tiger 'E' were made, a lot due to bombing raids destroying production and raw material shortage, however using much larger tanks in conditions not ideally suited and reduced range of the tank was a huge factor rather than just being outnumbered. A Tiger II could barely muster a 100 miles, A sherman could reach about 150 miles, the Cromwell was closer to 170miles on tarmac'd roads, the Cromwell was also much faster than both the Tiger's and the Sherman and had a similar engine output of 600hp to the Tiger, the Sherman was around 400hp.
I dosent work like that Any more
Times have changed. The f35 and f22 can kill multiple f15s and 16s in no escape zone type positioning and launch energy without them knowing where they are.. the su35 has no chance. When 3 or 4 ..f15s and f16sat a time can consistently take down f35, then i can be comvinced that the su35 or rafale or whatever gen4+ has a chance.
Something else to consider in the same vein as the Shermans/T-34/Tiger experience in WWII, is that fact the F22 and F35 are maintenance queens. They require expensive repair work after every flight, especially to their stealth coatings. You can make the assumption that in a war with a peer power, like Russia, your ability to maintain these jets will be removed at the outset of hostilities, as well as the runways to land and take off. The jets may be "invisible" to radar, but the airbases are certainly not invisible. With their exact coordinates already dailed into short range weapons.
Best if your plane is able to operate off a highway or a backroad when ballistic missiles destroy airbases on mass. It is believed the Russians have engineered this ruggedness into their Flanker and Mig warplanes.
@@Toronto-Brad yup f-35 and f22 canot win anything if they canot be in ready operational status ! thats a great point for the russians jets
So basically f 35 vs Su 35 is like a sniper rifle vs an ak 47.
A sniper stays hidden and kills the target from far away. An ak 47 sprays bullets all over the place in close to medium range to completely decimate the enemy.
Which one wins depends on the scenario.
But. STH Korean Soldiers are taught to snipe up to 300 m with an ak47 in single shot. And can hit a cigarette at 250 m.
It's Training and practice. In all things.
As the Red Baron reportedly said, it's not the crate but the man in the crate.
First shot is a huge advantage and that should always go to the F35 due to its stealth. The SU35 manoeuvrability only becomes critical in a close, visual encounter, which should not occur if the first-shot missile does its job in a 1 on 1 engagement. If it does become a fight the visual envelope then it will come down to pilot tactics. Therefore, missile quality on the F35 and the Defensive Aids of the SU35 are key to the fight.
Yeah an F-35 equipped with a Python-5 fox-2 would be one hell of dog fight to for any opp
The F-35 would never engage visually with the Sukhoi. They should be able to identify the type of aircraft they are targeting. They possibly might after gaining a significant numerical superiority.
And training. Russia has basically zero combat training available. If you look at what they get it's almost criminal. It actually probably is criminal as the generals are no doubt selling aviation fuel and pocketing the money.
@@damianketcham yeah, flight Time available on the F35 is very low compared to any other aircraft...
So the USA should triple their F35 aircraft number. They might just do that ... And close hospital and schools and roads to be able to do that.
Thanks god, it seems US AirForce and US Navy are smarter than that because they
- cancelled their F35 orders and are buying F16 F15 and F18 instead of F35.
- push hard on the throttle to have a 6 gen fighter asap.
Only the Russian F35 is worth keeping, i mean the US Marine VTOL F35 which VTOL system is
originaly russian designed.
It is worth keeping this version as it is far less complex than the Harrier.
Pity that there is the US software part.
The Am 120 hasn't got as much range as the r77/r37 . + The maneuvers the su 35 can pull will play a roll in dogeing missles..
Upgraded version of an SU-27 that came out in 1988......Put the F-35 against the SU-57 and see how it goes :P
yeah, cause it is just as agile as any other SU models but a little issue for the F35, well its a state of the art stealth plane, so if it cannot detect it in time, dog fight anyone? And we all know who will be better at that game...
The SU35 has those scared child seeking missiles which is a big plus too.
This aged like milk
They are really different planes, designed for different types of missions. They are not comparable. The F35’s primary designed is not like the F15’s or F22’s which are a true dog fight , air-to-air fighter planes. The more comparable plane to compare would be the F22.
Su35 will outperform all of them in air to air combat.
@@slimdunkin117
In what envelope? BVR? Not a chance. The Su-35 would probably not even make the merge. It would be forced into defensive maneuvers like notching a locked missile which would put it at more of a disadvantage. The Irbis-E is a great radar but it’s maximum deflection angle is 120 degrees. It would never be able to get a missile off.
@@slimdunkin117 you're out of your mind. The F-22 can't be touched when it comes to air to air combat. That's what it was designed to do. It's a stealth fighter.
I'm not so sure. The Su-35 and the F-35 are both multi role aircraft. The F22s role is stealth fighter. A good comparison out of Russia to the F-22 would be the Su-57.
@@slimdunkin117 Russia is a paper tiger. They will be obliterated just like your pathetic Russian troops in Ukraine.
A couple of SU-35s would probably have a hard dealing with a couple of F-15s. F35s and F22s would wipe them out. Maybe the S-500 would save them... but those would most likely already be neutralized before moving in F22s or F35s. The Russians do know how to make a good looking plane though.
Nahh the Su 35 is designed for air superiority , while the f35 multirole. Ofcourse the Su 35 would win
@@elmazielmazi6203 the su-35 is outdated like most russian equipment compared to the west
Russian jets are proving to be all show in Ukraine. They can't even get air superiority and seem to be very vulnerable to the NATO handheld AA weapons.
@@elmazielmazi6203 when the SU 35 realizes that it has been hooked by an F35, it will have already been shot down.
the power and maneuverability of a SU35 may be superior, but the technology of the F35 puts it in a better position even in dogfight
@@gianfrancobox American propaganda for sure!!!
The fleshy bit in the cockpit would be the limiting factor.
The only problem with F35 is that is fantastic on paper only, just like a Jeep. Hopefully it'll never be tested for real.
The problem with USA doesn't need hype to sell they are always in war...who do you sell weapons and you rarely involved in war...propaganda and media hype.Actually Israel Germany or Japan with their capabilities cannot just deal with USA to get crap.
Stealth and Maneuverability
Russian is not even stelth at all... No need to compare, the F-35 would win easily, no matter what the Russian plane can do, if you can't see you are dead!
go play some more battlefield...
The "stealth" is hardly working in reality.
Easy to test...let the F35 invade in the Russian sky then what happens next. Think of it!
It's all about who gets the first shot. The F35 has my vote.
Simply different kinds of fighting philosophy.
Well after seeing what’s going on in Ukraine and how how Russian Air Force is doing. F 35 is the supreme fighter.
They would never see the F35. Just like all US and NATO 4th and 4+ fighters in training.
Too bad China already acquired all the F35 designs through espionage.
"Well after seeing what’s going on in Ukraine and how how Russian Air Force is doing"
Are you in Ukraine ? Because I've some journalist contacts there, as well as in Russia, and what you say is only matching Western propaganda. The truth seems to be that destroying Ukraine army wss even easier than expected. The superiority of Russia on Ukraine is just overwhelming. They are now using hypersonic missiles, not needed to win over Ukraine of course, but to show USA and EU that, in addition to the speed, they have also the precision.
@@ValerySchollaert yes but the Russians suffured more casualties then the US did in the Iraqi war the Russians suffered 7,000 casualties and the US suffered only 4,431 in the iraqi war
@@ramirexbruv6292 Russians claim 500 casualties. I guess the truth is between the two extremes.
I give no trust to US claims, but remember that, in Iraq, it was a coalition that included the first military power in the world against one fairly small country alone. Here, it is Russia alone against a larger (compare to Iraq) country, the latter being armed by the west. Impossible to compare.