Is Britain Full? | Guardian Alternative Party Conference
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- Guardian journalist Hugh Muir hosts a debate about the future of immigration in the UK. Panel members Douglas Murray from The Spectator, Tulip Siddiq MP and Saratha Rajeswaran, formerly of Policy Exchange Unit discuss whether there is ever a case for the UK simply shutting its borders.
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I am sick of immigrants being disproportionately represented in the immigration debate.
I'm sick of Farage being disproportionately represented in everything.
Very true! It would be nice if the silent majority could - for once - have their valid concerns aired in public!
And in housing among other things!
Tulip's grandpa was the first PM of Bangladesh and her aunty is the PM of that country now. Her mother is also a politician. 😂
😂
Now, she is an MP in Britain. Someday she or maybe her children may become PM of this country. 😂
This is how death of Europe is happening. Murray can see it.
Britain should take car of itself first, not force burdens on the population.
A stranger in one owns country is not good immigration policy.
I don't know where Tulip Siddiq gets her information (or more precisely misinformation) about countries with the highest population density from- she says at 09:50 that the UK is the 140th- the UK is actually no 32, the top 4 are city states- Monaco, Hong Kong, Singapore and the Vatican, hardly comparable! Countries that have lower population densities than the UK include- Denmark, Liechenstein, Luxembourg, Germany, Italy and even China.
The only country with a higher population density in Europe is Belgium.
@@catinthehat906The Netherlands has higher population density than UK too
@@3mundi Yes you are right the UK is No 3 for density in Europe, but it is No 1 for population growth in the EU in the last decade.
First of all, it's not fair to Western ppl that most of the folks who move to their countries do it to exploit the country economically (yes, sure, their own countries may not be rich sure), not because they really like the culture. This is very unfair to the locals. I mean, honestly, do sons of the soil have no rights? Further, should local ppl loose their jobs just because immigrants are willing to do it for cheaper??? It's sort of weird. There is always going to be ppl moving around but locals should not feel threatened by minorities, nor should local cultures be uprooted for minorities.
In one's own country*
Why do two Black/ asian panelist get to tell the indigenous if their country is full?
by accusing us of racism and zenophobia if we don,t agree
Because Britain is a good country
andres viveros Learn British history first. Don't pretend to be a patriot
jim walker "zenophobia" is spelled with an initial "X", dipshit. And yes, you are definitely being racist rats too, stupid.
andres viveros You are Italian. You haven't heard of Romans iin Britain, have you.
Douglas Murray is a very brave man in attempting to educate an audience of left-wing thugs.
I wouldnt call Douglas Murray right wing. More centre left. Its not racist to suggest that you only have finite resources so you cant have unlimited migration.
@@sweetelle2196 He’s certainly not centre-left. Centre-right would be more applicable in my opinion.
@@cjtdup5395 He's a Conservative
@@ronaldrt so what
All three non-natives forgot to say 'thank you Britain'
They won't
Talking about immigration in Britain ,out of a panel of 4, there’s only one indigenous person on stage! That speaks volumes. The only sensible and articulate one is the lovely Douglas.
By indigenous you mean Anglo saxon (itself a mix of 2 cultures). I know Douglas and he would find you repulsive.
Why only one indigenous? When in US or Australia do you ask this?
3 left wingers and they're still no match for Douglas.
Few people rarely are a match for Douglas. Pure class and intelligence
He is very difficult to match up to, regardless of political persuasion.
Tulip's grandpa was the first PM of Bangladesh and her aunty is the PM of that country now. Her mother is also a politician. 😂
😂
Now, she is an MP in Britain. Someday she or maybe her children may become PM of this country. 😂
This is how death of Europe is happening. Murray can see it.
Anyone else a bit in love with Douglas?
I actually thought this was a very civil and respectful conversation.
Wow, 47 minutes of dancing around the elephant in the room...
+Rentaghost okish And the elephant is dancing around the people in the room. The elephant is islam.
Yes. Douglas at his worst.
+jerry owen why is that? He was very sensible
+Rentaghost okish It seems that Douglas Murray didn't feel like being called a racist bigot xenophobe on this day so he kept the kid gloves on.
+Rentaghost okish MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So many questions. Is Britain full? Should we leave the EU? Can the Guardian not afford to pay someone to clean the stage? Why is there a sofa and a washing machine on the stage?
lol. love your comment.
+Adam Khan It's edgy modern art sensationalism. God can't you see haha ;)
+Daedalus I know it's such a shame. More to the right.
+Adam Khan You'll find that most guardianistas live like that at home.
+Adam Khan You'll find that most guardianistas live like that at home.
Why do you have 2 non-indigenous people on a panel deciding whether Britain is full or not?
You dont understand
@@tommy2972 but you do right ? Gtfoh
It sure is full.
We are now building on our precious open spaces to provide housing essentially for immigrants (either past or present).
I want my country back.
they say change our culture for others lol
The UK is about the same land area as New Zealand. If the World population was distributed evenly over all the land in the World (except for Antarctica) the UK population would be about 10 million, as would New Zealand.
a white British person should never be in the minority - that is a outrage in areas where that is the case
paul armstrong nor should aborigines or native Americans or Maoris or Inuit be the minority in theirs. hmmm...I wonder who did that then???
100% agree with you
dazpatreg well that happened the past when European countries counties were actively imperialist. Unless you argue for mass deportations of white AU, NZ, SA now what's the merit of bringing this up? They removed or killed the vast majority of white farmers in Zimababwe and it got them a famine and economic collapse.
They were conquered. Are you finally admitting that that is what is happening to Western countries now? And if so, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Or is it good only when it happens to us?
@@dazpatreg In my country, New Zealand, Maori are a minority and as such there is less Maori around. However, we still have a Maori political party, its called the 'Maori Party'. Maori are represented to a huge amount in New Zealand culture on the whole, they are by no means left out or suppressed by white New Zealanders; indeed we celebrate Maori culture more than we do European culture. And FYI Europeans have as much right to New Zealand as Maori, they were not the first people to inhabit our country the Mori ori were, but the Maori ate them literally out of existence. My British ancestors did not do that to the Maori we didn't go out on Maori hunts or anything like that, we had our land wars where both sides killed each other . Then we signed a treaty, the crown has given certain land back to Maori in acknowledgement that they deserve portions of their claimed land and we get ours. For the most part White and Maori New Zealanders get on well, we have our moments, but for the most part we are all just NZers.
So, please do not try to use my country as an example of the white man suppressing poor minorities.
This would have been an echo chamber with 400 views without Douglas Murray.
The last comment from the Bangladeshi chick on the right, talking about ".....British people living abroad........heh heh heh" What a stupid argument. I'd be willing to bet not one single British person living abroad is taking advantage of welfare from the earners in that country.
Tulip Sadiq has an aunt who is PM of Bangladesh. Her constituency (Camden) is dominated by Bangladeshis. It has become like Tower Hamlets. I know I lived there for 40 odd years and saw it change.
Not one single British person abroad is on benefits? I knew nationalism blinds people but this has got to be one of the most delusional sentences I’ve ever read.
@@jezcorrigan651 Wow, exaggerate much? If that’s one of the most delusional statements you’ve ever heard, you clearly live under a rock. Westerners don’t move to other countries to collect welfare. That’s a fact, and to say otherwise is pure ignorance. Nationalism has nothing to do with it.
When I lived in Malaysia, my prepared answer to customs when I flew in and was asked why I was there, was to set up the Southeast Asian office and transfer knowledge to Malaysia. It wasn’t a lie. And we didn’t take a single thing from Malaysia, but we sure did help a lot of people, charities, animal organizations, and spent a lot of money. Break out of your leftist bubble and learn something about life.
@@GranolaBear13 It’s not leftist to strongly disagree with the statement “not one single British person is collecting welfare abroad..”
But perhaps you have to be right wing to hate immigrants.
thats not the point, are they x country or british should be
this video inspired me to unsubscribe from the guardian members email list
So very brave
@@sratus And so very sensible.
9:28 😂 her grandpa was the first PM of Bangladesh and her aunty is the PM of that country now. Her mother is also a politician. 😂
😂
Now, she is an MP in Britain. Someday she or maybe her children may become PM of this country. 😂
This is how death of Europe is happening. Murray can see it.
@@sratus a0
@@rajadhirajmaharaj spare us your cherry picked example
Immigrants or children of immigrants are for more immigration and most ethnic, British people are for less immigration, it seems to me.
yeah of course a minority wants more immigration, its not their native lands that are getting fucked.
+Ade Falcon 60% of first and second generation immigrants want reduced immigration. That figure rises to 77% when you look at the population as a whole.
Nyctohylophiliac It really doesn't matter anyway what we think. They will be coming in their millions again, come the spring and the summer, 2016. It's unstoppable.
Ade Falcon it wouldn't be if people had balls
+Ade Falcon Yes i get this feeling, their identity and loyality lies mainly with other immigrants.
How can it be a fair debate when native brits represent 1/4 on the panel? Sorry guardian you ignored the integration debate 5 years ago when people started bring it up, called them racists if i remember correctly. Bit late to change the goal posts when europe is flocking to the far right.
I thought everyone on the panel is British? I think you mean to say, "only one panelist is Caucasian". Besides, Mr. Murray is more than capable. We need more thinkers and writers who are as intellectually honest as he is.
Slow down the rate of immigration. Allow the country to absorb and integrate newcomers. Refuse entry to people who are not interested in assimilating. And for goodness sake kick out any non-citizen that can't follow the law.
Dennis Hopkins He is not a native, he is Ashkenasi.
@@jmufferaw None of this "Caucasian" nonsense inherited from that place across the pond. There is only one *native* Brit on that panel, is the point
@@thomasdavid7364 Just say white and we'll all know what particular brand of racist fruitcake you are.
@@MGustave Why would I say white when I don't mean white
Muh racism lmfao go and sperg out elsewhere
As far as I'm concerned I can only see one Brit on that stage. What a joke.
It always shocks me what a huge presence these "minorities" have on any of these opinion type shows!
That is because you are a racist. Very simple, really.
I am white, but my colour, or anyone else's for that matter, does not reflect on a person's humanity. Being a racist, however, tells you a lot about a person. Racists need help. Commonly they have been given and have absorbed bad information that needs correcting. Is that "ON" enough for you?
@@charliemcgrain Europe must remain European. The only people that believe this is a "waaaacist" statement are people like you who have their own incideous agenda. No one would question the concerns of Israel, Africa, or Asia over demographics. It's only "waaaacist" when Europeans wish to keep their homelands and not be demographically displaced.
Theyre all british.
Very very impressed with this Douglas Murray .He has a very clear understanding of the immigration crisis in this country.
He says what I am thinking and feeling yet cannot put into words.Very impressed .
Well, he's a real english man.
@@rainhardkerrman8366 he’s no more English than the others. He’s of Irish or Scottish decent.
@@jezcorrigan651 He was born in London to an English mother, it's fair to describe him as an English man. If you refer to a person's ancestral lineage than at some point in history everyone came from somewhere else.
@@jezcorrigan651 That makes me English as five of my eight Great Grandparents came from England even though I and both my parents were born in New Zealand.
@@jezcorrigan651 yes he is he’s white
A token white guy. Much progression. Top kek.
***** I see you made a valid point. I have now changed my thoughts entirely.
***** Well lets work on the demographics of England. 89% white in 2014.
How is this panel a representation of that, in any way?
And stop being snarky, it just shows you're unable to address this without using your precious little feewings.
+NickLip09 Woah there buddy, relax. Maybe direct that aggression toward something more consequential than a vaguely amusing but impotent youtube comment.
+NickLip09 All I know is that you opened with an association fallacy, followed by telling me to grow up.
What are you? Ten? Or just a fucking moron?
See, I can be stupid too! It's not that hard to act like a fuckwit after all.
You know what would have been easier than all that?
You acting like an adult and asking me what I was on about.
But no. You had to show us all your lack of intellect. Thanks for the laugh anyway buddy. You tried.
+Jinji Tronic That would have been an excellent point to make as an audience member. Douglas was the only thing that gave this discussion any credibility - but unfortunately he was there to fog over the fact this was a bunch of c-list Lefties in an echo chamber. He was very generous in turning up at all.
Comment is free - but by invite only.
The great lie, that British people won’t work in some areas of work. That after WW2 we needed people to move here from the Caribbean to help rebuild Britain because of the loss of our population through the war. That is another lie... our government openly encouraged people to immigrate to Australia for the cost of £10.00. I am not raciest. I don’t like multiculturalism. I feel that it is being forced upon us. When I go to another country on holiday I want to see, to hear to be served in the hotel and shops by the indigenous people of that country.
and the great why behind that lie will lead you down a very big rabbit hole
Britain desperatedly needed people from the colonies after WW2.
How’s that great lie working out for you? Seems as though many companies can’t find people to work now you’ve left the EU! And also Britain did require help from the Caribbean to rebuild the country after WWII so you’re wrong on both points.
Also that’s lovely you want to hear the indigenous on holiday. You been to Australia or America? Might be hard to find shops from the indigenous their pal
Why shouldn't we make migrants feel unwanted if they are?
After listening to the first 13 minutes, those 2 girls convinced me that it was full. They both reference areas that they were raised in and how over the years indigenous peoples are minorities in those areas.
42:25 - Building more houses for immigrants is treating the symptoms not the cause. The cure is fewer people not more housing.
Getting irritated - 35 minutes in and no one has mentioned Islam(ofascism) - the biggest threat immigration is spreading across the UK. Do we care about the Spanish or the French or the Croatians working in London - not at all.
Nice to see the nice Bangladeshi lady giving Britain away. Would any kind of decent human being migrated to Japan (say) and think it was acceptable to go about welcoming the world into Japan ? These people have no shame.
p.s. made me laugh when the Guardian bloke talked about the Guardian's "comment is free" section. Try and post an un-Guardian point of view and see how free comment is - see it get disappeared.
Joe Rong She is a second generation immigrant so she is British, although clearly her parents culture were a big part of her life.
They are debating reality, not a far right fantasy. lol
Really spot-on comment.
@@kerrell95 even so, she and hers were graciously welcomed in, why should she then grow up and try to get more immigrants in? Should be thankful to be accepted, not immediately wanting to change it.
@@darrenwithers3628 I think you need to take a closer look at the demographics mate. Not just here, but globally, you'll see for yourself that a global caliphate is actually very real.
Why do we feel Britain needs to be full? I'm sick of seeing out countryside disappearing and houses being built everywhere
"This is The Guardian, free speech. Comment is free."
Not anymore it isn't.
Definitely isn’t now
So 4 years later, nothing has changed. What a shocker
Only got worse
Sure seems like Douglas Murray was holding back the whole time
I try to be a liberal but it is hard. I'm driving with my great uncle in a car through a neighbourhood I've never gone through before but that's only a few streets away and it's just eastern immigrants everywhere and he's doing the typical old person thing "Look at them all, this has all been in the last 40 years. 40 years ago it was all British people and now it's like this and it's spreading. Most of them don't even speak English." And I'm there trying to give it a nervous laugh trying to think that he's exaggerating.
Who are THEY as in race/ethnicity/nationality?
And they weren't speaking in English?
Amounts and immigration is not the problem. Cheeky people demanding stuff right of the bat and thinking they are entitled to all sorts of things is the problem. Not to mention the absolute refusal to be grateful for the help offered, showing respect for the people and the laws of the country where refuge is being sought and actually being quite open about the fact that the ultimate goal would be to take over and convert towards a backwards religious state with barbaric laws.
What I always ask people is "how much would you tolerate from your guests in your own home?". Sure enough the tolerance level usually is not very high for most people in the personal atmosphere.
it makes me laugh. an audience full of middle class people thinking mass migration is okay. they are naive and dont experience the effects of it
The UK has to build a new house every 4 minutes just to keep up with legal migration. The levels are unwarranted, without democratic mandate and unsustainable.
Murray .one of the very few.that talks sesne
some people still use Integrate and Muslims in the same sentence....it just gives me a headache. debates been over for years in my book.
Immigrants overly represented, to try and see if GB is “full”. I wonder which way they want the debate to go. It’s only Murray’s brilliance that saves it.
could someone tell me when enough is enough or is it unlimited ad infinitum
There is the problem right there, Three people with a residency permit who think they are british.
+Delll no they are all british born
Zahra S. Not indigenous.
true but they are british nationality but asian ethnicity
Zahra S. Exactly what i said. They have a residency permit.
+Delll Prince Phillip was not born in Britain. Being white does not make you more British
I'm going with Yes.
Agree full, where I live they are digging up the once sacrosanct green belt to build thousands of houses in an area high unemployment
Notice how they all have to justify their own position on the victim scale. Except Douglas
Until you can speak about the problem in more open terms there cannot be a solution. Here's the problem: More immigrants mean a dilution of British culture. Therefore, at a point Britain will cease to be Britain. That being said, it makes complete sense for ethnic and racial minorities to desire more of their own kind in the country. I just wouldn't placate their wishes. There is no moral imperative towards multiculturalism.
The children of those immigrants are educated in UK schools and absorb British Culture and so become British themselves even though there is a watering down of that culture by immigrant cultures.
@@kiwitrainguy It’s frankly about the erasure of the ancestral British people. I know many fine people of all backgrounds, but if you asked those people if they would be okay being replaced slowly by other groups in their ancestral homelands, they would virtually all say no, if they were forced to be honest. So this is more complicated than cultural mimicry. Humans are tribal, and that includes Europeans, who are just more coy about it.
@@kiwitrainguy not if those schools are majority ethnic, and not if they don't want to.
The Manchester bomber was born, raised and educated here. Can't tell me he's British, or that he thought himself British.
I think we can blame the overstretching of the health service etc on immigration. Stands to reason that if 10 million people are let in, and allowed to use every facility that the indigenous people have paid for, then it is going to suffer. We had a normal system of immigration once that worked, the people integrated, worked and spoke English. Now we have great swathes of foreign people coming in, living in their own areas, not integrating and for a large amount, not working either, thus causing our benefits system also to be stretched beyond the limit.
Imagine being the offspring of somebody that was allowed into a nation for fear of persecution elsewhere only to decide that the nation that opened it's arms to your family is too white and needs more diversity.
Back in the 1970s I was told at school that the population was 60 million+. Today we are told the figure is approx 65+ and so clearly we are being lied to, when you consider how many millions have come here since the 1970s, and also their breeding rate etc. Also we have no idea how many illegal immigrants are currently residing here. So the population figure is probably more like 90 million.
Based on the amount of food sold the supermarkets estimate it to be 80 million or more.
@@Martin-88 though some people eat double the amount of others...
@@jamesmason8436 As they do in some other countries which it has been compared against. There's such a thing as the average amount of food consumed per person, so it's not hard to work out.
It may become self evident, but I'm 10mins in and all I wanna know is what's in the fridge.
We are the 14th most densely populated countries in the world. That’s out of 195 countries.
So yes. We are not country that should be importing 300k new people every year.
Our housing, our services our culture is severely under strain.
the presence of a fridge behind the guests with blood stains on it really adds a sinister edge to this debate!
Well this was 47 minutes of wasted time..
The London living wage is low because of an over supply of labour. Neoliberalism in action. We should train our own NHS staff rather than recruit from other countries.
Bottom line is that the citizens of the host nations should be the ones to decide who , in what numbers, from where and how rapidly should be allowed to settle in their country. Not the immigrants. Thirty percent of the sub Saharan population expressed a strong desire to move to the West. That is roughly 400 Million souls. Who is volunteering to become the host ?
Oh, you mean like how India (or any pink country on the globe for that matter) got to decide how many Englishmen were allowed to enter their country a century or two ago? Imperialism is at the root of this problem.
@@OneEyedJacker I am talking about now and what is next, not babbling about 1823.
Has the Guardian slipped up?
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Is England full? With only one Englishman on stage.
Another racist, I take it? Murray is a Scottish name, you utter buffoon.
@@AreYouEnlightenedHe's from the Hebrides originally
@@MrSilverbirch Wikipedia says he was born in London.
Is London the only place in the uk ??!!! This is as bad as teeth being pulled.
Is Britain full? The question is based on a faulty premise. Full of what? The UK could easily absorb many more people, native Brits and immigrants. Capacity is not the point. The real question is whether the UK should admit immigrants that do not share its cultural values, language, and ethnicity? Admitting immigrants who do not share any of these is cultural suicide. The UK ought to shut its borders to such immigrants, but remain open to those who do share the heritage of English-speaking people and who bring useful skills to the UK.
Why is there a fridge behind them...?
What if they need a sandwich? :)
to chill them out
in case people would like to kill themselves
Cicero LOL
If international students won't choose to study in the UK unless they are allowed to stay and work in the UK, then they are not really coming for the education. They want to get into the country to get a share of all the stuff that generations of British have worked to pay for: the roads, water and power supplies, telecommunications, buildings, ports etc. and her institutions.
It isn't just Britain that is full - it is the WORLD that is full.
Douglas Murray could listen to this man all day especially when he talks about comrad corbyn
This was a surprisingly rational discussion. I can’t imagine it happening with The Guardian today.
What really annoys us is the self righteous patronising condescending and downright insulting attitude of the Guardianista middle class demanding that working class people pay a price so long as they can preserve their affluent lifestyles courtesy of capitalism which they claim to hate so much you know that system that has brought more people out of poverty than any other system of governance!
Three wolves asking one sheep what's for dinner. If you don't wake up, you'll be digested and erased.
Their should be no outsiders in this debate at all, let alone 3 out of the 4
"is Britain full" Manipulating question.
Britain is not full yet but considering the birth rates of the desert-cult-communties - it will be full sooner or later.
Epic waste of time, holy shittttt.
"Overpopulation is the greatest concern of our time... unless we're talking about mass migration."
Tulip said that the UK is the 144th most crowded, I have just googled as it didn't sound right. we are in fact 15th with lots of little micky mouse countries ahead of us, typical Guardian disinformation. I wish Hugh would stop mumbling, also panel not representative.
Yep, Britain is full, there are about 15 million people too many... I wonder who they are? ;)
The most recently arrived.
The reason you need more nurses is due to immigration. More people = more demands on the health care system. The demand certainly isn't coming from the indigenous when their birth rates are falling.
The reason indigenous don't want to work certain jobs is because the British government imported cheap foreign labor. Immigration fucks up everything.
Well here we are in 2022, now I constantly hear immigrants complaining about the amount of immigrants
The whole premise is preposterous. Why are these 5th columnists even tolerated? You can't say you are British, BUT, you find pretty much the entire heritage of the country deplorable, most of it's heroes are villains from your point of view and the way to "improve" the situation is to supplant the locals, which built this successful country, with denizens of backwater, failed cesspools...
You have two immigrants attempting to tell native Brits how the country should run. What other civilization allowed this? Japan, China, Mexico, Russia, pick any country in the middle east. How many would allow a non-native person to dictate how their society should be and act. This woman acting like England being full is a landmass thing rather than economy.
Conquest through immigration would also fit the bill of people you don't want . Just incase all you non-masochist were wondering .
All the panel are posh southern elite in my book. Two of 'um need to get out of London and have a ganda at how immigration affects whats left of the traditional working class in the provinces. NWRA.
This debate did touch on the issues but in far too superficial a way. I never wanted multiculturalism in this country, I never wanted immigration at so fast a rate and my heart bleeds for the indigenous white working class who have been shoved to the bottom of the pile, often by the fault of their white paymasters.
How dare they talk about The Irish...the fact that no one is British in there area that means enough is enough we are full.
It was full years ago . Put the same ratio as England per square mile into France you would need to add 200 million to their current 70 million.
As for the national statistics, I know someone that works there and he tells me the actual population of the uk is near 95 million right now .
The best way to be welcomed into the community is to play by the rules and blend in and be like the community.
What a joke. The UK should be passing legislation on mass deportation, not importation. Douglas is right.
Since when were we allowed to have his discussion without being called a racist by the guardian
The comment at 40.30 that the three countries which have consistently been in the top 15 of "inflow" nations to the UK is somewhat disingenuous. Over three quarters of Australians can trace their ancestry back to the UK. Nearly half need go back no further than a grand parent. As someone who has lived between the two countries for many years, I can confirm that the cultural differences are small. About one in five of my Australian born family - in laws, cousins, nieces and nephews - have lived in the UK for a period of time, typically 12 months to five years, All but a couple have eventually come home to Australia. Having also lived in Germany (but not the US) I have also known a fair number of Germans who have worked in the UK for a few years before returning home. Though I have had less contact with Americans, this has been the case with the few I have known. The majority of Africans, Middle-Easterners, and those from the Indian sub-continent have a very different culture and a far larger number will want to stay in the UK and make it their home. So while the woman's statement is correct, it is largely irrelevant to what people, rightly or wrongly, fear.
Here is the absolute truth about this issue. All of this has to do with one single goal, which is to destroy the sovereignty of countries from within. Immigration dilutes tradition and the cohesive national pride which has always united the people. As a result of this dilution along with other social and economic changes, the younger generations will have no tangible heritage in which to grasp.
This is happening in many, many countries simultaneously, the ultimate plan is for establishing a single ruling class without borders. This should be obvious to any who cares to chart the changes made to their counties policies and laws over the past several decades.
16:29 - "Lots of people who have concerns about immigration would not be concerned as they are if integration had happened at a faster and better rate." - that sort of sums up my attitudes towards this debate.
Please read Philip Larkin's poem "Going,Going".
-all we want is a chance to live in Britain
-we're in Britain, but we live in the poorest neighborhoods, unacceptable, fix this
-we're middle class now, and sending our kids to Oxford and Cambridge on benefits scholarships
-we've graduated from Britain's top schools for free
-we demand minority politicians, CEOs, and representation on British television to suit us
It's all so predictable. You don't see these cycle repeating itself in India, China, or Japan because they're not stupid enough to fall for it.
Not a very good debate. Douglas Murray always erudite but subdued here i thought....and two ladies who were not really representative of the majority of us.... It didn't work for me...
The argument that we need to stay in the EU because some Brits live abroad is the most ridiculous, so the people who pay full UK tax should accommodate people who were born in Britain but chose to move away and now contribute nothing?
That was probably the most wasted 50 minutes I’ve had in a while. Absolute trash if only they would have just allowed Douglas Murray to speak the whole thing could have worth while. As it was I’ve learned nothing & come away with a disgusting taste in my mouth.
If there were a million Douglas Murrays and they were all laid end to end, they still wouldn't reach a conclusion.
Overcrowded but you could stick all immigrants in the Scottish Highlands.
The Guardian thinks the govt. should "shape public perceptions". Why is Douglas Murray giving this kibuki dance legitimacy?
It’s interesting how the other two panelist’s lead with their own identities and “me” stories. Douglas leads with a reflection on the question and statements of fact about the general population.
The implications of Douglas Murray's last statement go completely over the heads of the well meaning panel.
Getting more nurses and doctors from abroad is a serious problem for development in the countries they come from.
Given that health is a very important part in the development of any country, just think of the impact on that country when health professionals leave to earn a higher wage elsewhere.
Yeah it shows the lack of care they have for their own people.
"Is Britain Full?" Short answer; Yes
Long answer. Yes. It's overfull.
You can feel the hatred seething off the floor towards Douglas,the resentment from the panel is palpable and just boring.
I've got to the stage where i'm not even going to watch this.
that is a very stacked debate
Always refreshing to hear a moderator to impartially and fairly lay out the debate premise. (Sarcasm).
Since when does the government do what the people want ?
Tulip Siddiq MP at 9:50 states a UN report which said that Britain is the 140 th most populous country in the world !!! and she then says that's hardly very high ! If you check this out on Wikipedia that report actually states that Britain is the 21st most populous country in the world . Number 140 is actually Namibia . We're also the 36 th highest for population density ; and if you strip out Islands like Malta, and City States like Monaco and Singapore we're then the 18th most densley populated nation on earth . And if England was a country on it's own we'd be the sixth most densley populated country of all ! It's worth getting your numbers right then people like this would'nt get away with saying a number that comes into their heads that they rather like the sound of !