Political Correctness and Vacuous Wokeness: Douglas Murray debates Sylvana Simons
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- čas přidán 13. 12. 2019
- British conservative commentator and author, Douglas Murray, and Dutch left-wing politician and author Sylvana Simons debate political correctness and identity politics - including Murray’s latest publication, The Madness of Crowds: gender, race and identity.
Have political correctness, "wokeness" and identity politics gone too far?
Cultural critic Douglas Murray and author Sylvana Simons go head to head to debate what Murray calls "the dementing whirlwinds of our time."
I get the feeling this black woman is a professional victim.
Yes she is.
@@NatasjavanDijknah It seems that it is only these "professional victims" who are given any air-time - nothing ever broadcast about Thomas Sowell's or Morgan Freeman's opinions, though, are there? Awful lot of "ums" and "ers" in her speech, too.
She struck me as such from the first 30 seconds or so and I was waiting for Douglas to give her the killer reply, which didn't really happen. Dang, would have been fun :)
Specially toward the end when she talked about respect, I thought she had deserved to be given a lecture. No, maam' respect is rare and has to be earned and not every child gets a trophy in life.
@@jvgauthier Douglas was weak. He has been tamed by the likes of this harridan. Poor show.
Plenty of them are born victims , the whole world is against them.
Imagine having a life so easy you have to invent problems. That's privilege.
or a career. It's a great career if you can get your spoon in the victim gravy. Because all your adherents only listen to hear you say what they believe, not what you actually think. As Peterson once said, once you know their ideology, you know exactly what they are going to say.
@@MarkJones-gt2qd If you can get your spoon in the victim gravy. My quote of the month.
This comment and the reply, absolute Gold.
🏆winning comment
courtesy SO different from respect!
Wow! We are really splitting hairs and dancing on heads of pins and walking on egg shells-because we have nothing more pressing to do like surviving childbirth and the winter and famine🙄🤦♀️
Obviously, these people have special privileges and men lack rights as always. It is an inconvenient to which their radical social constructivism and postmodernism keep giving. They end up making worse the actual problem. And of course they won't refute any arguments, and be full of fallacies. There was a time priests silenced philosophers, now see what happens to scientists: "Shut up and listen," they say, everything a priori and without a point to make. The woke woman in the video got jealous she couldn't silence a free thinker, at the end. It just makes me laugh.
*Sylvana Simons wants to lead us down the road to insanity and Douglas Murray is saying, "I'm not going."*
Thing is when society is consistently being DRIP FED this WOKE garbage, then it gradually sinks in over time. It is the generation below us, we MUST remind of what is real and what is make believe.
So she freely admits that neither her race nor gender held her back, but it was her strong character that propelled her into success. So what, she wants to wage a crusade in advocacy of black females who have a more timid character? She just destroyed her own argument.
She is successful because she is awesome, not because she has opportunities that people who look like her have not historically had available to them. It's her personal awesomeness you understand. Awesome. Did I mention how awesome she is?
Just a bunch of words. No substance. She can get where she's at but for some reason other young black women can't?
Shows that she is not intelligent
@@grantmillard8387 Yeah, looks so pathetic every time she praises herself 😂
Douglas calmly explains everything wrong with wokeness.... then she demonstrates everything wrong with wokeness.
That's how lessons are usually conducted, right? You learn the theory first, then there's a practical demonstration.
100%. She is the shining example of the minority of idiots trying to spoil everything for the majority of sane minded people.
The woman is not very intelligent. She gets sweeped under the intellectual rug quite quickly in this discussion.
He's smart, almost like he knew what she would say before she said it.
@@yukiminami9202 You mean "dismantle western society by applying racism against white people"
Calling Sylvana Simons a politician is like calling a 6 year old with a lemonade stand an entrepreneur.
by the very definition.
That doesn't seem fair to the child... this woman is insane.
I don't know about you, but I have seen some downright impressive ideas on display at lemonade stands!
@@codychickadee5095 Right? I would say the 6 year old is better suited for business than Sylvana is for politics. In fact women like this should be kept as far away from actual policy or legislation as possible!
YanAbaus politicians are all cunts
Im from the Netherlands. Just to point out that Sylvana’s career path basically goes something like this. She was first a hair stylist, then a presenter on the equivalent of MTV here in the Netherlands. Because she is a black woman though, that’s all the credentials you need to become a political activist trying to get a seat in parliament. She’s pretty awful and indeed the pinnacle of wokeness in the Netherlands. She is by no means an intellectual, nor has any real credentials to speak about political issues. It is very hard to take her seriously
And that makes sense from her incoherent babblings when it was her time to speak.
All that crap about Zwarte Piet being "in blackface" was a prime example. It's not blackface. It is dirt and soot from going up and down the chimney - so being dirty is racist now?
stem die kut dan uit de regering? ;)
Well, I am Belgian (Flemish) and have seen her in the Dutch parliament and I completely agree with you.
The fact that she lost her seat in the most recent election a year after your post says a lot, doesn't it?
I'm Dutch to, and want to say sorry for this terrible human being
Douglas is an extraordinary communicator. Totally nails it!
The woman is such a professional victim. The fact she’s on the stage with her designer glasses proves her vacuous arguments as empty.
apec. Hate judging a book by its cover but what was inside her book cover was exactly what I thought as soon as she opened her mouth.
@@ronskancke8166 activism, not discussion.
Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic.
She’s a god damn stereotype.
That's why most Dutch hate her
@@ruuddriessen8547 I can understand that they do not like her, she is not likeable,but hate is something sinister, isnt't it.
Ignore this woman, just like we do in the Netherlands.
Truth
check
That is the best say to deal with such people. +1
ignoring hr is dangerous sinnce that leaves her free to spew such bs and some will fall for it unless her lies are exposed
She says she is a "Party Leader" but she 1 seat in the Amsterdam local township. And her "Party" has 0 seats in the parliament in The Hague. Besides, the best way to deal with extremists is to let them speak and ignore them at the same time. They will speak more and extreme BS which leads to self elimination. The fate of all extreme leftists, suicide by going more and more extreme. Let them be heard.. let everyone hear their nonsense.
Douglas Murray is one of the best voices currently around
And has the best tailor!
Thank you for fighting the good fight, Douglas. And for showing such patience and class in the face of such unrelenting imbicility.
I’m offended by her statements. She should get fired immediately because she does not respect my feelings.
I like Zwarte Piet beer. :(
Yes, when she says "respect," she means "kowtow to."
Only a leftist is allowed to be offended.
Absolutely.
If someone doesn't allow you to speak your own mind or even try to arrive at your own thoughts and beliefs because of their own interests then very likely they don't respect you as an individual (since they don't want to encounter you as one). Everyone innately wants to be free, to have the right to speak and think for themselves and to not be dictated to, everyone hates being coerced, manipulated, bullied, pressured or cajoled to speak and act in ways that don't agree with their sense of self (we struggle to grow into our freedoms from childhood). That is why I think Sylvana Simmons approach is completely incorrect and self-defeating, she says that we must show respect for a trans person by agreeing that they are the gender of their preference, but that is ridiculous in my mind, for a number of reasons:
* First, those two things simply aren't the same or coequal; someone who is narcissistic, egotistical, self-superior or highly ambitious might be annoyed or offended if you didn't treat them as a big shot, but I am not obligated to do this, and there are many other ways to show respect towards that person other than indulging their self-conception, such as treating them well, listening to them, putting up with their excesses, being generous to them socially when it is appropriate etc. etc. You can show someone respect by not avoiding them, by looking after them, by not excluding them, by being fair and equitable towards them and others (applying the same standards as you would with anyone else, even when you would rather not), but you can do all of these things without agreeing that a man is a woman. My neighbour might be angry with me if he has a Messiah complex and I don't agree that he is the Messiah, but that doesn't mean I have to dislike him, make fun of him, hate him or try to deny him his rights - my uncle is trans, but I am not obligated to think of him in the same way he thinks of himself (I am willing to guess my estimation of many people I respect and treat respectfully is different from their self-estimation, but that is just one facet of our lives and interactions, we still manage to get on with the work of life). I DO respect trans people, but I disagree that there is just one type of trans person, that they are all the same, conceive of themselves in the same way and want the same things, the phenomenon is also so new and ever evolving (which is why we're only just starting to run into problems like trans children and inequalities in sports) that I don't think it is even necessary for me to have strong opinions or beliefs on it at all times; if the terrain is clearly complicated, nuanced and sometimes messy why would I allow someone else to force their simplistic beliefs on me about the subject when I haven't settled on what I even think about it all yet?
* Second, to return to my earlier point, we all hate being forced to say things or act in ways that don't come naturally to us. Sylvana Simmons seems to think that we owe it to a person of colour, a trans, non straight or religious person to not offend them, I disagree. Of course we shouldn't be excessively rude and offensive towards others, but we have a right to live our own best lives and be ourselves regardless of whether others might occasionally be offended by this (religious people are going to be offended by people who are sexually liberal or promiscuous, but neither should be able to dictate to their opposite). It is fundamental to who we are, as people, that we all want to be free, able to think for ourselves and express ourselves. This is more meaningful and fundamental to who we are than any sense of how black, gay or trans we might be, because all of those things are only one facet of who we are, but the degree to which we are free and empowered as individuals effects every facet of our lives and being. We live in a liberal democracy which does an amazing job of fostering and enhancing these goods (freedom, happiness, self-exploration), so we should do what we can to try and achieve the goals of giving people more freedom, but also at the same time encourage love, tolerance and mutual respect. We don't need to excise freedom of thought and freedom of expression from our societies or universities to cultivate the freedom of minorities, we just need to keep better educating society as a whole and working on the values that make democratic society possible, because fundamentally we all want a liberal society with freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of expression and a culture of mutual respect. We can continue to grow and mature our democracy without rampant cancel culture, without forcing race, sex and sexuality into every conversation, without radicalised lunatics who have no integrity taking over every facet of society (journalists who don't do real, principled journalism, academics who don't actually embody the values of academia, populist politicians who blame everything on systemic racism or patriarchy, and 'experts' on woke talking points who have no respectability outside of commercialised, faux-radical circles and their coat-tail chasers).
* Third, it might be seen as a flippant or sarcastic remark but I agree 100% with Kiryk Drewinski; because I value freedom of thought (as someone who has enjoyed university life, debate and academia), freedom of expression (as a lover of art / a would be artist), and as a liberal (who grew up in and believes in democratic society), I find what woke culture is doing to our democracy deeply offensive. I personally would find it deeply offensive if someone wanted to deny me the right to think and speak freely, because these things are so fundamental to who I am, what I want and what makes my life worth living. Equally, all of the comedians, politicians, artists and academics who have been cancelled or de-platformed on the slightest of offenses and the most exaggerated charges are sure to feel the same way. I would invite Sylvana Simons to think about the perspective of people like Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle etc. etc.
Usually I would try to round off the subject with a quick final paragraph but this is such a broad and bloated subject it is hard to meaningfully put a cap on the conversation. Maybe the best I could achieve would be to say that we should go back to principled, intelligent and dignified thinkers like Martin Luther King, rather than look towards the terminally offended as our guides on how best to conduct ourselves and organise our societies.
An intellectual genius debating a woman with the mindset of a silly teenager
The sad part is that the same shhh has been coming out of her mouth for over 30 years
Funny how the people that demand respect never give any
If they rhetoric is effective, we need a herox that can counter.
See a pattern?
I'm Dutch, and nobody here in the Netherlands likes her; she pretends to be an awful lot but her communist party (at rallies she holds, you see people turning up with red flags, hammer/sickle symbols and all the rest of it) only got a few seats in the local government of our capital Amsterdam which is just like any metropolitan city in the west pretty progressive. (with all the mismanagement that comes with it I might add) and she only recently with her party got 1 seat in the national government. No doubt because of the polarization of our country and people getting fed up with the corruption and incompetence of the leading politicians/parties. She took on this radical view after she was ousted from the TV-world-celebrities for being incompetent at being a tv-host as nobody wanted to watch any programs that she presented. When people ridiculed her on social media for her statements after she just gone into politics, she went totally bonkers, could be found daily at the police station trying to get everyone arrested for making satirical jokes on social media and claim it was 'racism', coz it's the 2020's and humor is dead, hence why comedians aren't really a thing today as much as they used to. Oh and by the way; that's not her real hair, she wears wigs as that is apparently a thing in the black community for some reason. (hence her clownish appearance). And the glasses are fake too, she has no prescription but she thinks it makes her look 'more intellectual'.
A silly teena^er with a Hair Bear haircut and red trousers!
Love how she keeps demanding respect. Nobody deserves respect. Everyone has to EARN it. Douglas was very wise to say "courtesy".
The horrid thing is, it's not respect she demands, it's authoritarianism disguised as respect, she want's the power to control other people's speech and there for behavior
@@jackbotmanexactly. Her last point of "thinking before you offend somebody" was a non starter. Jordan Peterson said it best, but I will paraphrase. You can probably tiptoe around one person, what what about 10? What about 100? How about 10,000? There is a limitless list of things people are offended by, and you can't possibly avoid them all. If you have a sufficient audience, and you are talking about any kind of deep, real issue, it is impossible.
@@jackbotmanthat’s what anyone who supports this BS “cause” is seeking, total control over other thoughts and speech. It’s mind blowing people can’t see though this shit.
Rubbish, fundamental human rights assumes respect. You do not to do anything to have the right of a trial by jury for example.
@@adamgrimsley2900Rubbish, the idea of rights is an absolute fallacy.
i love how Douglas exposes the rotten media. His articles are usually so rightfully sarcastic. It's always a delight to hear and read him.
She has that smug woke look. They have no idea how their pretentiousness annoys everyone, especially when they have nothing of true intelligence to say.
I don't understand how "woke" even applies. Maybe if this was the 60's...but, its not.They just make stupid shit up to be all enraged about. They're nothing more than narcissistic, spoiled brats
@@disf5178 meaning of . Woke . Smarmy prat
She refrains from looking at him while he speaks, or when she speaks. No respect at all.
TheSeer101 everyone is dumber for having to listen to her
She doesn’t even believe other black ladies are equal to her yet whines like a bitch about equality
These bastards are Taking OVER the perverted, Liberal medias! We just laugh at them and continue to move on! They really don't want any of us! Locked and Loaded!
"Man comes out in not very homophobic society and nobody cares." 😂😂😂😂
She speaks of respect then keeps talking over him. He is brilliant 😊
They always have that smug, narcissistic smile and air of nonchalant arrogance. It’s sickening
It really is, couldn't agree more. It's because they have been elevated by others to this position where they mostly go unchallenged.
Welcome to Cambridge / Boston Massachusetts / San Francisco.
Megan Markle has that smug smile.
It's a mix of invincible parochialism, under moral superiority, dupers delight or some other malicious satisfaction and doing harm she knows she's going to get away with telling lies she knows we'll get away with and so l fifth.
Her sneering turned into full disgust noises by the end. You wouldn't want her to be a dictator... the killing fields would stretch for miles.
Woke = Your mind being so open that your brain falls out
Seriously.
"If you tell me that what I do is offensive, tell me what I can do so I don't offend you. Thats what I'll do."
What if what their offended by is unreasonable? What if its really dumb? How about I'll think about it, before I do anything.
What if I'm playing plastic wardollies 40k and I'm enslaving someone's models. What? You gonna tell me thats wrong cause you don't like it? Well boohoo I stole his dollies.
@@JacksonHighlander - This comment offends me. You've been reported. Enjoy the Gulag.
@@JacksonHighlander - No, but seriously. These people are begging to get destroyed.
@Alex M - Being offended over little things when I was a child would brand you as a knob gobbler. Times have changed... I'm only 29.
Common decency is given freely, respect is earnt. Probably the main root of disagreement with her.
She just confirms everything wrong about WOKENESS. She is the personification of the word WOKENESS.
Her smiling when he makes his argument is so scary and evil
It's incredible how within a few sentences of even getting started she proceeded to speak for her entire country. This is the exact rhetoric that is being used to bulldoze logic all over the world. Lady you speak for yourself and only yourself 100% of the time.
No one likes her over here 😂
She said that her country’s version of Santa clause & his helpers were impersonating blackface, were being racist because they were covered in soot from going down the chimney. It has nothing to do with race!🤦🏿♀️
@@craigdawson1749 She muffled in the word `supposedly` but it wasn't very well articulated. Can you believe this woman used to be an MTV VJ speaking English like that? In present day she acts as the Dutch department of BLM which in The Netherlands is even more silly than it is in its country of origin and mostly comes down to them wanting money for free because of their skin tone.
A bit of history - Saint Nicholas is the catholic version of an ancient pagan midwinter rite of which many versions exist(ed) but they commonly are about the god Odin descending to Earth and leading an army of black creatures - ravens, death people, demons (you probably heard of Krampus) - to hunt children. The main change is that in the catholic version Saint Nicholas is not a boogie man but the protector of children who is keeping the demons on a leash. What makes the Dutch version stand out is that after the uprise in the 16th century catholic worship was banned by the new protestant government. The Saint Nicholas festivity prevailed behind closed doors and so transformed into a family feast that also found it's way to America where it got picked up by people that were eager to transform Christmas from a time of drinking and looting into something nicer. Saint Nicholas in Dutch is Sint Nicolaas, also pronounced as Sint Ni'Klaas or Sinterklaas and the latter phonetically transforms into English as Santa Claus. As freedom of speech became the norm two modernised versions of public Sinterklaas festivities rose: Dickens Christmas in Anglo-American territory and present day Sinterklaas in The Netherlands and Belgium and of course both feasts became the victim of their own success, first targetted by commerce and then by the media. Television required Black Pete to become brown which of course no viewer noticed until the introduction of colour TV and then it went haywire - stupid jokes, actors trying too hard by mimicking accents from immigrants and the seed was sown for people like Simons to start an endless stream of pointless accusations while posing as a victim. Of course with charlatans like this there is always only one winner, this woman managed to get herself elected into parliament and as such now receives three times the income of an average white guy.
The dangers of herd mentality, exemplified.
She likely talked with her girlfriends inside her limited social bubble, and they all agreed with her, (most of them out of fear of being excluded from the "club"), and that then becomes the agreement of the entire world in her mind. The quintessential definition of solipsism, basically.
But the facts are that this woman only speaks for a miniscule percentage of the whole population, and only an ever-increasingly radicalized femimarxism has provided her with a voice, with the clearly stated goal of creating further societal division.
In short: She's a tool on a platform built out of decades of deliberate social engineering, entirely focused on population reduction.
The Woke don’t appear to be able to hear any viewpoint but their own.
She wasn't listening the entire time. These people never listen, they just wait for their turn to speak.
So true...
Bc if she listened, she might actually have to critically think and challenge her ideology. Easier to not listen than to challenge ones beliefs
True. They can't listen. They believe there intellectualy superior. And if they actually listen then their argument can't stand up to logic or objective reality. Which by extension ridicules their chosen logic and reality which can't hold water in an adult conversation, So you just get these childish inflammatory and ridiculous slurs posing as counter arguments that your a racist,/sexist/xenophobe/ Nazi,/homophobe.etc.etc..
It's sad to see that this is the road that were on, and that effectively you can't have an adult conversation about these topics.
Sadly, our youth love her diatribe, because, they can shut down anyone intellectually superior to them by using race, homophobia, etc....Its an easier route than learning and researching like we have forever!
Be weary of a debater that spends most of their time postering and grinning for their fans in the crowd rather than actually *listening* to and dissecting their opponent’s statements, which is suppose to be the point, to elevate and strengthen the discussion and ideas.
Courtesy is given freely... Respect is earned.
Gosh Douglas, you absolutely destroy your opponents every time, and I bloody love it!!
He actually went easy on her because he recognised her intellectual deficiency.
He should have turned to her and said, "I am a black woman". I identify as the blackest woman ever don't tell me anything about being a black woman".
Best comment ever!
@@robbas_krk1510 for sure!
So woke lol
That would be fun. Murray is not there to make sarcastic remarks, he always tries to keep the discussion serious.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
That woman is what is wrong with the world.
Like every word out of her mouth was bs lies
Well, she's an actor/politician. What would you expect?
Her smirky face 😡
Thanks, you saved me from saying it.
She is THE worse.. the anti black pete organisation is famous for disrupting childerensparties (thats what Sinterklaas is). She refuses to do her homework on the history of blackpete (who was a LIBERATED SLAVE who chose to serve Sinterklaas for freeing him.. )
Also: Sylvana is "partyleader" from a ONEMAN political party WITHOUT ANY support other than white people hating racist...
Sylvana Simons has NO voice, NO support and DOESN'T deserve ANY respect.
What a delightfully civil discourse on such a fraught set of issues. Cheers to both of you!
Ms. Simons literally describes the problem. She's okay making a change to her life, to stop saying a thing if someone prefers she doesn't. When does it stop though? When does it get to a point when you can't say anything at all because everyone's offended at all the things?
I am a black woman, and I agree wholeheartedly and unequivocally with Douglas Murray.
Whaaaaat?! How can this be?!
We also need to hear how Sylvia makes you cringe.
♥️ (from a "white person" who doesn't give a sh#t about skin colour)
I’m a gay man and agree with Douglas Murray. It’s good he has voice and dismisses that gay men are all lefties. I find it strange that some people seem to think who you sleep with determines your political opinions and which party you vote for. All the gay men I know are right leaning when it comes to politics - so there is a mix, just like any other demographic.
You are a great Human being ♥️✌
Japanese worker: I'm Gay
Other Japanese workers: And this has what to do with work?
I lived in Japan for 8 years and not once did I see any obvious same sex couples walking together. I spent a lot of time working and playing in the city of Osaka, a huge city of 20 milllion. That tells me it is far more hidden than in Australia. Yes you have lots of gay people on tv but that is a very different world to every day society.
@@Explorshon123 I live in Copenhagen which is a rather "open minded" city as far as I know, and I do not recall observing same sex couples walking together... ever, but that could be for a variety of very obvious and simple reasons: lots of people walk together as friends do, and do not give hands or an arm around, so how would you distinguish friends from couples? Also, same sex couples are in a rather small number comparing to everyone else, so chances get slimmer. And finally, it doesn't matter, people don't care... it's not like "in the ideal world, a street of people walking should look like such and such, and have a distribution of yadayadayada". If I see someone on the street... I don't care who they are, or where they come from, what they had for breakfast, or what they chose to do the night before.... I simply walk by and move along. On sunny days I may give them a smile just because it may make their day better, but whomever they are... I still don't care. So the only thing I believe you can observe or not, and is the only thing that matters, is the stories you hear, or if encounter a situation where someone clearly acted homophobic. Sorry for the long reply, just sharing my thoughts :) cheers!
it means he'll be the most tastefully dressed man in the whole office
@Mrs. Edna Welthorpe sorry to hear that :/ it can certainly be that I'm wrong, but from the people I know (mainly PT and DK)... I feel most people are nice at least to the extent of consciously respecting one another. In other words I don't know personally anyone I could really think of as "what a horrible person". Some will be more rude or emotionally clumsy or brute than others, others will have very different political mindsets and various cultural influences... but raw mal-intent... or a sense of actual superiority... I feel it's only something found in a minority of people who most likely have underlying psychological issues.
Nathan Ryan know what my employer, a municipal gov one, that will remain nameless, will be doing in the near future? Having us employees "participate " in open group public support of one of these woke and favoured and pandered and hyper protected groups. Whether it be a union funded picnic in public or wearing colored arm bands for a week or a combination of forced activities. It will be recorded and have consequences if I DON'T participate willingly. Interesting use of words there, "willingly". Im not allowed to even argue my case why I dont want to be forced into a costume that favours ONLY ONE SPECIFIC trend group that I dont belong to.
I could lose my job if I dont. We already went thru "sensitivity training" that had several examples of what discrimination is and how it isnt in our interests to cause it, firing or legal ramifications could follow . One example was "not offering an individual to join your group to go to a restaurant " for lunch, or not including someone in a group conversation. Then the other manners based examples like insulting or shunning someone else, cruelty of that sort. I have some decisions to make about holding to my personal beliefs, personal integrity, and personal actions coming up this yesr.
And no, if ALL PEOPLE are not going to be respected, publicly and EQUALLY "celebrated and supported" in one full encompassing act, instead "certain specific trending groups only" having my union dollars and tax dollars being spent on materials and activities I am forced to participate in, then I want none of it, and want to go to an employer that doesnt behave in such pandering ridiculous ways.
I will try not to let the years of service I put in and now accounting for nothing now, get me down
What has climbing up chimneys and getting covered in dirt got to do with this?
Respect is earned by showing character
"The slow death of free speech"
Mate this ain't slow, this is bloody rapid.
yes it is
The left is hellbound to hyper-protect their fragile / weak emotional state. What they want is complete hyper-control of their environment so as to NO SPEECH exists that triggers their fragile emotions
Can't help but notice the difference between someone knowing what they're talking about, and someone just reading buzzwords from their tablet.
She never even addressed any of his claims or talking points. She just read straight from her iPad. She just walked up and started naming off offenses by the cops and people who disagree with her. I understand points on both sides, but he was never smug and condescending. You could tell he was there to learn together. She was there to win an argument.
US is 45th on the World Press Freedom Index #FreeAssange She mentioned divorced Prince Andrew's family that heads the church he loots 250,000 lifelong FREE money
Fucking all the LOLZ 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I noticed that as well, She probably didn't get the memo when debating Douglas Murray come well prepared or best stay home!!!
She'd fail a primary school presentation with that shit, most impressive part was how her glasses stayed in place considering she was looking at the ground so much
Her arrogance and do as I say attitude is astounding 😂😂😂😂
The woman was not even listening to him, just waiting for her chance to blast nonsense.
Great how she complains about racial profiling, then immediately engages in racial profiling.
Standard marxism....
EXACTLY!
She has no problem with racial profiling just in who is being profiled.
She is Dutch, why does she prefer this English accent.
@@brandwijkgg cuz it sounds cleva!
Jordan Peterson - "if you discuss anything worth talking about you are going to offend someone"
The big lie here is the word: offended
No one is offended, but they know how to use that made-up PC-word.
Now That would be a discussion ! This person and J P .
JP would wipe the floor with her. DM is great, but a little more political than JP, who is scientific, which wins everytime... I.e. it's not his opinion, it's a fact.. the data is in lol.
@@TinaFivesten eh, I think it's a real phenomena, but it's generally the fault of the person offended than the person offending, even though it seems a little cruel.
If you "trigger" someone's phobia in some way for example, unknowingly it's not your fault for their reaction. It's their own inefficiencies that resulted in their own reaction. I've been depressed and experienced episodes of anger towards those who make light of suicide. But at a point you have to grow up and get over it (Not easy, which is why the left just wants to stop the talking); not force everyone to stop talking about contoversal topics.
@@newbooksmell4163 I know what you mean, but if you think about it: people have, generally, always been careful not to 'offend' with for example jokes about cancer or rape. One would think the moral would be higher now when the dictation of what is allowed to say is so extreme, but it has nothing to do with good moral, the PC words is one of the dictatorial methods to rule by fear!
Excellent speech from Douglas Murray ! We need more people like him,
"I don't understand why they're afraid." We are afraid to lose our jobs, our reputation, our friends for being labeled "transphobe, homophobe, racist, sexist" when in reality we simply DISAGREE with your position. On top of that, we are afraid to trade truth for a lie.
I'm black. This woman does not represent me one bit. I believe she believes she represents us.
Arnold Garry blacks and browns have never fought for freedom or stopped slavery in their own countries, unlike Whites who stopped slavery, which is why the elite are forcing masses of brown and blacks into white countries to make white countries slave countries.
This woman is trying to accrue power. Her statements reveal her feelings of superiority. She does want equality. She wants power. She speaks for herself, and no one else. "We've spoken and I haven't killed you." No conciliation in her at all.
Arnold Garry That’s a universal characteristic of all sjw’s.
@@christina7215 that is funny! I m in tears!
Only collectivist pinheads would think someone speaks for a group simply by inheriting some genes.
I think Black Piet was just Justin Trudeau during his visit to the Netherlands
😂😂😂
I laugh so hard when I found out about black Pete. The explanation makes perfect sense. You go down a chimney, you get covered in soot. I guess chimney sweeps are a racist characterature.
How Dare You!! Don't you know only Turdeau is allowed to wear black face....lol?
@A M I wish leftists would stop getting offended on my behalf.
@A M excuse the turn of phrase. Good point though.
Words are words and have no power to harm or hurt anyone… if a word hurts you … you are what is wrong with society today!
We are all born equal and we all die equal . Society has changed so dramatically now freedom of speech is quickly going out the door. Treat others as you would have them treat you . Political correctness is taking over
Murray is having to take a big step down intellectually to debate this woman
Her logic is “We want a seat at the table, and we want to think and do as we please at the table, but in order to feel equal, we also want to take away _your_ ability to think or do as _you_ please, because that somehow negates my feelings and I won’t feel allowed to be ‘myself’ even though I actually have all rights supporting me to live as I wish.”
We all are lol
No real intelligence from her. Just playing her pc flute
Murray is a devious, brazen liar. Intellectual for the simpeletons!
Murray tries to educate the deluded, and simpletons. Inc the brazen liars
She's a professional victim, during the debate she asked " Why do we need your permission to be who we want to be " . My reply would have been " Why do I need your permission to think what I want to think".
Good point. The general problem with people like her is they feel things that offensive should be changed but only the things she or certain people find offensive. This has been the main problem the last 25 years or so. The point on small lies makes sense too. We keep lying for years politely and now have a big problem we can't deal with.
Exactly
My thoughts exactly. Total hypocrisy!
That is what this is all about @big cheese. You can be as polite and respectful as a saint, they want to control what you think. This is all about control. For example, have you ever used he or she when directly addressing that person? I haven't - I only use he or she when I am speaking about another person, usually when they are not even there. But to them, they are offended.....fuck right off.
Bingo
She's right about one thing, courtesy and respect are two different things. Respect is earned, courtesy is being polite. I think we should all be polite to one another, but I don't have to respect you or your ideas. That should be okay, but many want to force you to think like them, or else!
She is a caricature of all woke people.
She's a real life titania mcgrath
To be honest I think it's very unfair to have a thoughtful intellectual like Murray matched by someone not speaking her native language and a mediocre brain like Simons. Simons is someone who has, with a Dutch expression, 'fallen upward'. That often happens to the very privileged.
In the wake of the economic crisis that hit the Netherlands pretty bad in the eighties most well off kids of her age studied hard to get some serious eduction with good job perspective but often not the most fun and interesting. Simons otoh was primarely concerned with dancing and jazz in the appearently not too deprived school. She quit high school after 3 of the 5 years, worked as a hairdresser shortly but was still allowed on a prestigious ballet school. Great of course, but she had the privilege to make such an uncertain career choice. But it's typical for the chances immigrants get in the Netherlands.
Soon after she got famous as a presenter for TMF, an MTV like music network. She was very pretty and fun and she had a good career as a television presenter, usually the commercial low brow stuff. She did a book show once for which she wore glasses, looking even hotter, but she was out of her depth there despite it was a show for the 'popular' books. She wrote columns for the playboy but I never read the articles, but I suspect this had also something to with her looks.
Over all those years she has consistently claimed that her skin colour worked to her advantage, and advantages she got, which can't have been surprising to any Dutch at that time. She also made some rather mean comments about black men and relationships in those days which could have been interpreted as racist. Anyway, it was the typical no nonsense assertive hot girl getting ahead in life in the post racial Netherlands of the 90's and 00's.
And suddenly she was back as a radio DJ with 'the black list', a radioshow with only music from black people. I'm Dutch and I had never known the idea of 'black music'. I knew about seperate(d) audiences in the US but we never had that, jazz was embraced since the 20's: Almost all modern music is black in origin and played by people of all colours. We grew up with tapes and sleeves often not revealing the skin colour of the musicians. By far the biggest Dutch (language) band in the 80's that even caused a real mania was a ska/reggae band. Motown was also very well know since the 60's and rap hit the ground running. Even my guitar rock was quite black. It's not like 'black' music was ever overlooked and needed some extra attention.
Soon after that she did nothing but playing the race card, she became a race card herself. Suddenly the Netherlands was a racist hell hole where non-whites got no chances and she even teamed up with the Turkish Erdogan fan party in the Netherlands because they are (supposed to be) not white. Now she is the princess of wokeness, making a job out of her skin colour and creating an industry of subsidized blackness in a process that oozes tribalism and clientelism of African size, not to say segregation.
She's gone mental, entirely fact free and I mean seriously mental. The only explanation for her sudden change into a victim is serious mental issues that require professional help. Is that common among the woke? Do people become woke without mental issues?
@@DenUitvreter Well put and easy to follow your points on facts. Nature is the true force of life on our planet. She has no investment in any of her species, proof is, all go into extinction. Addressing the species of mankind, nature gave it critical thinking and the means to jump out of the box in which nature didn't think it through to see all the future problems it would cause. Nature didn't gift us with intelligence that would have prevented all the social problems we find our selves in now.
However we have the ability to gain knowledge of the things that should bring us to a better understanding on how things should and could work in our favor to live better lives, such as gaining world peace, love for one another, wanting for others as we want for our selves and so on. This so called problem with race hating is a human mistake. Nature made the humans in four colors, (blood lines) red, black, yellow, and white, and these colors are long gone due to the mixing of these blood lines. So long gone is the red man, black man, yellow man, and white man. If anyone has a problem with that they should take that up with nature who doesn't care one bit, nor does she answer to any of her species. We've been given the tools to work things out for our selves so lets get busy by seeing the real truths in this reality, then do what we must to correct the things we have done that has put our lives, and the lives of our children in jeopardy and get it working as nature intended it to work in the first place, called survival, in which truth is a very necessary ingredient to solving the problems for all of us, keeping in mind that lies are the seeds of evil which keeps us all in darkness. Lets step into the light so all may see the true path to love and peace.
Pure knobhead mentality. No clue.
@@DenUitvreter "to fall upwards" nice one. We have "to be educated beyond one's intelligence" and "quarterinteligentsia" here in Poland.
Respect is earned, not demanded. I respect Douglas but not Sylvana.
Exactly!
It is here where we have to be careful with these people, they are changing, without the majority of society realizing it, the meaning and the usage of words and traditions.
If we are use using their words and definitions, believing that we know the meaning of them, we are on their battleground, and we will lose that fight, because after the new meaning of a word, our arguments seem weak, always be aware of that, whatever you do, don't attack their ideas first, but the changes they make to the language, only then can we have a say in what the battleground looks like.
A good example of this is
Decency and Respect are interchangeable among these people, but Merriam-Webster says otherwise
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decent#synonyms
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/respect#other-words
@piranhaP Well you lost my respect with the word correction. Never heard the term. Both have to be earned in my opinion.
What a hateful woman. I can't believe anyone feels she speaks for them.
Tha fact that a black woman is representing the woke crowd in the Netherlands, talking about getting rid of Dutch traditions that have existed for hundreds of years kinda says it all about what is happening in Europe.
I always thought being courteous is expected but respect needs to be earned.
Exactly. She misused the word and the meaning.
Right on!
M H wrote, "I always thought being courteous is expected but respect needs to be earned." Wow! My thoughts, exactly! Excellent observation and very well said.
And she isn't courteous at all, ive lost count of how many times she has interrupted Douglas
@@withgoddess1119 She has no idea what the word respect means. The left has usurped the word and destroyed it's true meaning.
And yet there's not a single country in Africa she wants to live in.
She doesn't seem to appreciate the culture in which she finds herself. She talks of respect but interrupts him right after shaking her head and squirming!!
LMFAOOO!!!! EXACTLY MY POINT
Ok but that should not limit her right to voice her worries
Isn't she Dutch?!
@Brad Sanchez Even the Japanese would have an airplane ready to take her back before she ended her sentence - yet white countries kowtow to this garbage.
Apologies for Sylvana, even if she was rather civil during this discussion.
Signed, 98% of the Dutch people.
Courtesy is GIVEN. Respect is EARNED. Nobody owes it to anybody
How confusing would it get if we let everyone choose their own pronouns? Humans are getting more and more ridiculous every day.
Yes, I would like to choose my title myself and the adjectives that describe my person. If you disagree, or express concern, you are somewhat phobic and I demand that you lose your job and your life be destroyed.
So for you I am the Grand Master and my chosen adjectives are pleasant, stimulating, appealing, breathtaking, attractive, attentive and exciting. Please rotate the adjectives evenly in my chosen title.
Think about in a classroom if a kid changed his pronoun every 5 minutes...which they ARE doing. And teachers could get fired for not "respecting" their chosen pronoun. This, like every other leftist idea, is a colossal nightmare and disaster
I would like you to respect my religion. The first letter of the xlphxbet is sxcred so we replxce it with the letter “x”. If the bbc publish xn xrticle xbout me I will be furious if they use the sxcred letter. If people xre confused, I must xsk why do I need their xpproval.
@@AIenSmithee So, you should call yourself XlenSmithee :-)
@@TBrandt027 me and my mates identify as attack choppers. Have any problems with that? Chopperphobic!! Facist!!!!!!!!
Douglas Murray is such an important and rational voice.
Amen
He is a genius and genuinely an important voice for freedom of speech.
both pointless, good god the discussion could have just been a 2min voicing of views
@@prospero4183 how? I bet you can’t explain why
@@prospero4183 Correct, not the best debate
Can't believe Douglas lays out literally how wokeness is destructive only for her to go right ahead to tell us all exactly why Douglas is right.
I'm black and based of the discussion here I would rather live in a world based on Douglas' worldview.
How does Douglas remain so calm in the wake utter stupidity 🙈
He: “Courtesy is important.” She: discourteously interrupting him at at every turn, “Give me respect”
Expecting respect without showing it is respect not earned
Respect can only be earned, never demanded ...
And that is the huge difference of meaning, between the two words. She illustrated it perfectly as you say - with her poor show of courtesy extended to Murray, whilst she argues the merits of respect being a basic human right.
Mega black chip on her shoulder. She hates white people. She has a big ego.
The Angela Davis hair do gives her away.
Haha, I also noticed that and commented it! It's so hilariously hypocritical.
I think she’s confusing “respect me” with “do what I say”.
The only way a diverse society lives together is by disagreeing peaceably. And that’s the fundamental problem with woke: it’s trying to establish an orthodoxy, not a liberal democracy.
David Turner just a heads up, I’m stealing your quote.
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Well said, David.
Unity is the only way forward. The media perpetuates this nonsense.
Sheepdogs. The references from Murray are hilarious.
He was too easy on her. Let her get away with too much garbage. Mainly, just because she is willing to accept lies, doesn't mean the rest of have to. If she wants to call a man or woman or a man, that is her delusional perogative.
Lying to someone is not being respectful.....its cowardly, and evil.
A lot of black people find this woman and her carping self important nonsense embarassing.
I detected she is projecting her needs into a play on base_1 first degree victimhood
They do.
That's not entirely true. We find that she has lost focus by fighting for a group that is not being structurally marginalized. People from the Alphabet community have confiscated the struggle of black people. No it's not like in 1855 but we still face injustice on numerous levels. I think the part where she was talkinf about Zwarte Piet was a good example of how whites position themselves in a racist spectrum...
@@nelsondewaard9267
The 'zwarte piet' discussion has three major problems of conflation.
1 'zwarte piet' has nothing to do with the racist US blackface tradition, it's way older. Yet somehow many opponents of zwarte piet seem to claim there is a connection.
2 There are racist and stupid people among the dutch who call black people 'zwarte piet'. Removal of zwarte piet won't reduce the amount of racism in the Netherlands. Racist people will find other words to abuse.
3 Only the ones with the black skin color in the tradition get accused of being racist.
For those who appreciate a more sensible take on the problem I recommend this video :
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I can buy that.
Respect is earned, not demanded, she has it wrong
Those that demand it won't get it..
Someone else’s need to have their nonsense respected isn’t my problem
depends on what level of respect is referred to. For any civil society, everyone should show everyone a basic level of courtesy also known as respect. At a bare minimum avoid blatant disrespect! To attain elevated status or admiration, also known as respect, one must do something worthy... the concept of "earned" respect fits there.
@@watcherwlc53 Sir, that's the most complete concise and accurate breakdown of the little "respect" kerfuffle and confusion that I've seen yet.
I totally agree. I can show you a courtesy that's easy. If you work in customer service you do it every day.
Jerk customer, you still smile and get the exchange done. But you don't need to respect that person.
If many parts of a comunity are disproportionately commiting violence than we need to address that.
And more over respect is something between known individuals.
Respect is earned. You get a seat at the table if you exhibit competence. I would not give her a seat at the table, she’s not competent.
Talk about a merit discrepancy. If only I could briefly summarize the insanity which Simons has wrought upon my country, the hysterical freakouts she's had in public, her constant use of racism, sexism and more. There's a cesspit there just waiting to be opened. She's one of my country's most privileged individual by a long stretch. She even defends Muslim culture, knowing fully well she'd have been executed for saying any of this in a Muslim country, or merely being an uncovered woman. Just a little girl screaming at the walls of her apartment.
Listen to the tone in her voice. Then imagine her with absolute power.
tumarfa Ugghh NO!
She would kill more people than Mao.
@Joe Blow yeah her facial expressions when he said he didn't know what non-binary meant because it hadn't been sufficiently explained. Of course she made no attempt at it and instead said some dumb platitude about having to respect everyone.
Look at her body posture it's typical of ,I'mnot listening
So sincere, so confidant... in her ignorance.
I'm offended therefore you must change to my likings... What kind of F'ing narcissistic logic is that?
You nailed it because that is exactly what she is.
Spot on. He's basically saying (and I agree) "I love and respect language far too much to let you force me to badtardize it. Just so you feel better."
They never admit that that's always a one-way street. She would never change to be respectful to a European custom.
That's what Fascists do
This needs to continue... with additional panel members from additional countries. Knowledge breeds understanding. You are not required to agree to understand. Both guests had thought provoking statements & rebuttals. My knowledge was boosted in >30min. Good job!
Clever. Articulate. Accurate. Brilliantly observed. CANCEL HIM!!!!!
The second a person quotes "my truth", they're basically quoting "their bullsh@t".
Any time someone says “my truth” I automatically stop listening
I feel irritated with people who say "it's my truth". It's either THE truth or not.
@@caroliner2029 cause saying my truth is instantly showing your bias and not being objective in any way
Anecdotal stories, not based in facts or reality!!
indeed.. it immediately suggests to me the words "alternative facts".....
The UK has some of the strictest speech penalties, in clouding JAIL 😮 UNBELIEVABLE
Wow Douglas Murray really went easy on her.
“I’m a female party leader” of a one person party.. that didn’t even get enough votes to start...
Tomorrow I will declare my bathroom a country. Next job interview I can call myself a king
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Brilliant....she has an inferioty complex....let her run her party in Africa where she belongs...with respect....
Can I use your throne, sire?
I laughed so hard at this 🤣
Be afraid. My 6 month old baby is white and therefore a dangerous racist monster who will annex your toilet and seize your ass-ets!
"If you are on a continuous search to be offended, you will always find what you are looking for; even when it isn't there." - Will Kellogg
Exactly I'm bisexual and it would like myself going "modern media is biphobic/homophobic because society is forcing heterosexual narratives down my throat and suppresing my identity." That is complete nonsense of course but you can see how easy it is to spin something into an offense to rally up the crowds.
@@aaronbrown7217 See I can respect that... as you don't feel the need to cry out to others... 'ooo, look at me, look at me...IM different AND therefore special'. The squeaky wheels of those who more vocally bleat on about their 'identity' just seem to have chronic 'look at me' egos'. I find them *dreadfully* BORING. A bit like that one obnoxious child at a party who not only has raging Asperger's, but ate ALL the *red* colored candy as soon as he (or she) came in while the parents weren't watching.
@@aaronbrown7217 it’s as bad as wanting compensation for being black what about my compensation for being bullied all my life
@@TheOmnipresent12 those with Aspergers are not obnoxious you just happened to meet one obnoxious individual that happened to have autism
@@redfernpixelgnomepitcher1377 I wonder if talent in creating snack foods leads to a talent in stating snack-sized philosophies?
She sits there and freely interrupts like everyone is on the edge of their seats waiting to hear her speak.
So, chimney sweeps are racist? What about coal miners? What about special military units that paint their faces black as part of their camouflage?
She said herself that black Pitt has a "black face" from going through the chimney, then how is that racist?
Not every blacked face is about race.
Context matters.
Yeah they are so obsessed with the race of black and everything blacks become racist
"I'm offended" is not an argument. It's a coward's way to run away from an argument and a tyrant's way to shut up people who disagree with him.
They have effectively clamped down on our ability to discuss or argue anything these days. “I’m offended” is not a reasonable response to anything. The blame can largely be laid at the door of modern so-called “education.” The universities are hotbeds of leftist wokism when they are supposed to be a forum for open discussion of different views so that students can hear all sides of an argument and come to their own conclusion after considering all the facts. They are not taught to think critically so they are quite unable to discuss anything in a reasonable manner. This is the attitude of the kindergarten, where a child is hurt or offended by another child and responds by saying “I hate you!” and runs off to complain to mummy. The problem begins really early on in school, propagated by teachers who are themselves the result of educational reforms that came in after WW2, when it was considered better to let children express themselves and do their own thing rather than being taught facts. Children and young adults don’t know any facts these days so they have no solid foundation on which to build opinions. The fact that history is no longer taught properly in schools has given rise to this whole bonkers situation where historical national heroes are labelled as racist or slave owners, and statues are destroyed. In the old days, children and young people were taught how to think. Then they were taught what to think. Now they are taught not to think. It is a terrifying thought that these young ignoramuses are going to be in positions of real power one day, leading the country in the fields of politics, finance, education, science and the rest. Unless there is a radical turn-around in the way we educate our young, I see no hope for Western society. These stupid people have flushed it down the toilet along with their stinking sh*t.
I’m offended
''I'm offended'' if what you do when you get older and tears stop working...
This leftist woman is terrible.all she is saying is nonsense.
She is like the most hated person in the netherlands, she is a crazy racist herself
Not all lefty woman
@小熊维尼 Taiwan #1
@zzllup woah there friend, the hell?
Leftist-Rightist.. what a silly language. Even in 20'th century it was outdated and misfunctional already.
Nowdays it's just stupid.
The real front line is of
-Collectivism vs Individualism
or
-Statists vs Anarchists
She's wrong. Courtesy is given. Respect is earned. Anything given has no value- so if you give away respect for free it becomes meaningless.
Douglas Murray correct on this subject.
She keeps talking of respect as something that should be afforded to everyone across the field. NO. Courtesy for everyone, respect for those who DESERVE it. You earn respect, not demand it.
It's why she's not well respected. She should have said "tolerate" instead but she's a very privileged women who tries to force her ideals onto others instead of having an actual conversation. The entire time her body language was hostile, his wasn't. She did have some fair points, but a lot of it was just pointing fingers instead of taking into consideration what he was saying. If anyone deserves respect on that stage it was him and the moderator, not her.
Courtesy as Douglas mentioned makes no demands and doesn't alienate. Respect as she made sure to signify is different. The default of respect has a demand of how to think placed on the other party. The difference really encapsulates their differing worldviews. His of unobtrusive liberalism, hers of illiberal force.
Submission: The action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person.
Respect: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
I think she conflates the two.
@@christopherdesbaux5950 That's good. Well said monsieur!
Courtesy is showing someone respect. Respect is a broader term, and there are degrees.
The look on Sylvana's face while Douglas is speaking tells you everything you need to know.
It screams "I'm better than you." She's extremely smug.
Yep, pure bile and loathing.
I noticed from the second Douglas started speaking she was looking out at the audience and not listening to douglas. So I knew she was just going to preach and screech her prepared narrative.
I watch that face and I'm confident she'll have nothing to teach me. I'd love some spirited opposition to Douglas' perspective, but she's not it and life's too short to spend on sour pretentious women stuck in ossified puberty revolt.
She's a politician. And a "victim" blah blah blah blah blah 😑
This woman sounds like she went to college in the US. She's checking off all the buzzword boxes
If Black Pete is black because of chimney soot, how is he a racist caricature?
You can't "make" someone respect someone they don't respect. He was right in saying, show courtesy.
Yes, courtesy is given, but respect is earned. At least, that is how I've always viewed it.
Absolutely! I can treat someone who is pro-life or pro-choice (whichever is the opposite of my position) with courtesy. That doesn’t mean I respect their position. I do not.
Especially you can’t respect someone who, like Sam Smith, says today I’m non binary but I don’t know what it is…
@@katbread5949 I agree with you 100%. The Sam Smith issue appears to be a poor attempt at marketing HIMSELF to a broader demographic, a feeble attempt at being contemporarily relevant.
That is certainly how it appears with his candid ignorance on the subject. Where does one draw the line, are we to also acknowledge those who now identify as trees? An extreme example perhaps but in the current political climate who could know.
It seems quite peculiar to publicly claim identity with a group of people while having no concept of their ideology. That could be dangerous with some groups.
I am not going to respect her just because she is black. I will respect her if she deserves respect.
Douglas is so kind. He's trying so hard not to laugh at her gobbledygook
Commie gobbledygook at that 😂 (Norm McDonald reference)
He did a good job not to laugh at her awful attempt at sounding posh. I've rarely heard somebody use "one" so often....
In her defense: English is not her native language. Other than that: agreed.
But he should have laughed at them showing the audience the other ridiculousness
She is projecting her own negative views and expectations onto him. You can see it in her smirk when he is speaking. She's not even listening to him. Wherever lies your suspicion, there lies your guilt.
Douglas Murray is a class act.
such a thoughtful and respectful individual, makes me want to be a better person each time i hear him. 😊
douglas is a homosexual aswell
This woman is the type of person I tune out completely. Pompous demeanor, absolute confidence that she is the smartest person in the room and ideas that a very small but loud groups of generally very unhappy and hateful people agree with. Toss her overboard with the latrines!
I think the majority of people would be erroneous in believing they're the smartest in the room when that room also contains Douglas Murray
That's why we hate her here in the Netherlands because all the traits you mentioned.
Massive narcissist. CAn't be arsed listening to people like her, especially when they are next to a person as eloquent and intelligent as Murray.
no,no,no,no,,,,not the latrines,,please,,,there usefull,.
She comes across as far too arrogant and defensive, difficult to debate with someone so unstable, she is trying to stir up a problem that just isnt there. How did she cope in the 80s when growing up ffs, I bet she was afraid of her own shadow. Now she is picking on santa because she has no real world experience to justify her paranoia.
A major difference between the two speakers is that Sylvana confuses personal feelings with objective truth. It is not respectful to force people to use language when doing so forces people to deny objective reality.
What trans and non-binary people demand is not respect but compliance and submission.
how does Douglas stay so polite, the man is a legend.
Because he has class
He seemed disconcerted here, to be coupled with such an ideological dwarf. It's hard to formulate a structured debate with a toddler.
I felt his annoyance at the intellectually reductive company he found himself in, then he notes the pompous fireplace decor thing, and then internally sighs as he realises what he's in for. His intro was gold.
@@jamessadia You are so right. lol
Sometimes too polite
Douglas is such a classy man. Eloquent but blunt, courteous yet forthright.
Murray was educated at Oxford the oldest university in England
Sudo Nym Obnoxiously assuming. Ha ha
Tim Mobley
I suppose one might think that, if one was intellectually out-gunned.
I especially admire his balance. He is restrained and cautious whilst remaining brave and forthright. He demonstrated this particularly in his measured defence of Tommy Robinson, which was simply a refusal to throw a working class opponent of islamofascism under the bus. To me this showed that Douglas' restraint was prudential not cowardly. He seeks to avoid conflagration and this is admirable, but i do not doubt that he would march with head high and conscience clear unto the scaffold before submitting or recanting to evil. I would love to see a conversation between Murray and Milo; how is it that in this time manly virtues are so epitomised by such unlikely fellows ? Pray for them.
@@omartinoco9930 So was I , but i would hesitate to tie his shoes. Oxford was amazing, but the credit for making the most of the opportunity belongs to Douglas Murray himself
She basically said you don't eat food you consume it. She is just vocally dancing around what she is saying (people should roll over) Douglas, never change
There will always be some form of social censorship. I very much miss Christian censorship of pornography, vulgarity, swearing, blasphemy and immorality. Sigh.
Thank the God I don’t believe in we’re past that, except for pornography where real crimes are often committed.