Diorite vase | Primitive tools | Unique experiment continues
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- The experiment "Diorite vase with primitive tools" has been going on for over 4 months. This video contains several fragments of the work of Olga (with help of Julia). She didn’t use any metal tools but only flint, bone, wood, sand, and her talent for processing diorit.
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The experiment "Diorite vase with primitive tools" has been going on for over 4 months.
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The previous experiment: czcams.com/video/uQqxx7ksaKc/video.html
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Very nice demonstration. What you're missing and what most people don't understand is the automation of such processes, which would allow them to churn these out at incredible rates. Where would they source the power for such automation you ask? Easy, the Nile River. Basic wooden water wheels and cog based gearing would allow shops set up along the river banks to do this work 24/7 by staggering shifts between the masons. I will demonstrate roughly how they accomplished this very soon, as well as the automated lifting of stone blocks up the sides of the pyramids. Evidence for these wooden machines hasn't been found because it would have rotted away by now and been washed away by the Nile over the past 2000 years. They utilized low tech with high ingenuity. ;)
Hi there, been a while. How's the progress of the diorite vase? Any progress?
@@cooljosh2307 Hi!
czcams.com/video/Vvj1ptvM5X4/video.html
Pretty easy to debunk a bunch of idiots who believe in alien intervention, magicians, and ancient high power drill. Wish you would make some videos for the rest of us. Way to go for the lowest hanging fruit though.
After two years i have to ask ¿Did you finish it? I'm a history teacher from Argentina and I would like to use your videos in my classes.
After you finish it, you will be able to sell lost advanced technology tours in Olga's workshop ;)
But this is more proof for lost technology as it clearly shows this is not a viable method for mass production.
This is so awesome! Please do not stop what you all are doing....Olga must be a national treasure!
Jingle Bells was an odd song choice haha. Takes a crazy amount of time and dedication, can't wait to see the result!
They had to have machinery, it could have been man, animal, or water powered maybe. There are lots of examples of machining errors which just wouldn't happen if you where slowly grinding this shit down with a saw, because you would stop once you had cut the block not continue to waste copper sawing down into granite for no reason. And then you have the countless massive granite pillars that are completely centred and identical in every way, surely requiring some kind of giant lathe. even the pots have evidence of machine errors, where pots have fallen off the lathe and been put back on slightly off centre, causing the inside of the pot to have a curved line where the two hollows meet. I'm not saying they didn't use copper but they sure as hell did not do it without some serious equipment. Considering how long evolution takes, there is plenty of room for civilisations of varying technological levels to thrive and perish as we transitioned from monkey to man. And the only thing left behind would be the hard rock and maybe some stories.
You’re being shown 2 people doing it in modern time now imagine someone with generations of expertise in stone masonry
@@maau5trap273 what do you think of that then?
This song is the most unique take of Jingle Bells I've ever heard.
I'm super happy that I started watching a bunch of ancient technology nonsense videos because doing so led me to this channel.
Thank you for your hard work!
So from the dark side young Padawan have come. The ancient lost technology nonsense stop watching you must ;)
Lol, same thing here. Was watching unchartedx until he mentioned the name of one of the people arguing against him and that's how I ended up finding this channel. I came in a complete skeptic but after watching a few videos and the overwhelming and undeniable proof I was converted back to the mainstream viewpoint.
@@The1stDukeDroklar Most NPC comment i’ve read all year
@@Jagoogorman Exactly what I'd expect an NPC to say 😜
@@The1stDukeDroklar they never posted an update to this Diorite vase lol. Makes you wonder if it wasnt actually possible.
You guys are AMAZING! I could not comprehend how Egyptians made these "jars" out of granite or even harder stone. It makes sense now that if one genius made a machine like this they could make a lot of different shapes. Moving heavy objects I can understand with pivots but lifting I don't think we have quite figured out. I still think there are techniques undiscovered that they used. I know people pointing to aliens is a huge leap, but to say they had technologies not known by us today is not that crazy to say in my opinion. Thousands of years with carving stones as the main objective would surely bring about advanced methods.
For lifting look at Roman Tech in Balbec, sorry no alien or lost civilization, they did it we a lot of work, and efford, or just look how pople move the musoliny obelisc that wietg about 240 tons or more
In 1928 i remember
Keep up the good work! You guys and gal are both smart and inventive, exactly how our ancestors were!
I would be very interested in an update.
I love your work Olga! You have opened my mind to how powerful primitive tools can be in the hands of a skilled worker!
So I,d really love to see you recreate one of the fat round bodied with a long thin neck type vase they found under the stepped pyramid . That would be some achievement
Agree !
They cant its impossible
They also send it off to be accurately measured to see if its within 1-3000th's of a inch tolerance like those were. That would be the true test, getting it close to the eye is not the same as making it with that level of precision.
@@ATomRileyA what case have we found that’s 1/3000
You guys are doing a great job, the problem is that your evidence points to a less spectacular reality of hard manual work, so it won't be as popular. Nevertheless, you have proven that impossible artifacts are possible. The only complaint against you relates to the level of refinement. It is obvious that generations of skilled craftsmen had their ways that no one knows about anymore. I have fed my mind with spectacular stories for far too long, but the truth is that you have to show respect to the generations of people who honed their skills and dedicated their lives to some of these amazing buildings and artifacts.
Remember, this is just a minuscule representation of the feats that the people back in that time achieved, and honestly there are still many aspects that lack proper explanation. Regardless I think there needs to be far more effort don’t into fully revealing the entirety of these sites and creating more solid context surrounding many of the theories of what was going on around the time these things were created and I think anyone that is genuinely interested would agree
Why don't you show respect to those people when they say their civlization goes back 30,000 years on the Palermo Stone. Selective at best, cherry picking at worst. Also here we are 2 years later and still no completed diorite vase.
@@2jaymeister because every nation in the world has its own legends regarding its origin, so it's no wonder. You accuse me of cherry-picking arguments, but you ignore the entire body of work regarding the history of ancient Egypt, which has been very carefully described over the years. One legend on a stone is more important to you than years of research into various aspects of the archaeological evidence. I recommend the World of Antiquity channel, where these issues are described in much more detail.
Meanwhile, in the real world......
QUOTE,
"Sculptor Olga Vdovina and her assistant Yulia Gukasova were unable to replicate the diorite vase according to what they believed to be ancient technology, namely with stone tools, bone and sand.
A well-polished vase made of porphyry diorite, exhibited at Sotheby’s, was taken as a standard. According to the official version, this is an Egyptian vase from the pre-dynastic period, Nagada II/III culture, dated around 3600-3000 BC. (first photo).
It took two years to make a small 15 cm high diorite vase by hand and the result is far from the original. And also the authors refused polishing.
In addition, Egyptian vases have rather thin walls and the internal volume repeats the external forms of such vases, and based on the words of the reenactors, the internal volume of the vase they made has a cone.
The reenactor Olga Vdovina admitted that it was almost impossible to grind diorite using the technology that they supposed was used by the ancient Egyptians (wet sand). "
Where are you quoting this from? Please provide a link.
After 2 years, we never heard from this project again. What happened? I would really like to know what progress they made, what cutting techniques were used.
ya kindve seems like it may have not been as possible with those tools as they say...
Bravo so buzzed you are doing this
Still waiting for that final diorite vase 2 years later.
The vase is ready more the one year ago, video coming soon
Can't wait to see it finished! Good job guys!
does anyone have an update on the diorite vase? I was browsing his videos and there is no follow up to if this was actually possible?
@@catsncrypto they posted a video on their other channel, anthropogenez.
@@MrAchile13 thank you, can you please link it? The channel is all in Russian or Ukrainian not sure which one it is.
good effort alot of hard work but na no way this is it, maybe for the later dynasties which you can see how crude their work is but the older ones are on another level, you should have went straight to granite, i think you need to have another look at some of the granite piece and really try to understand the depth and complexity of these things, im a skeptic of the advanced lost civilization but i don't count it out either, for example some bowls from Saqqara are so thin its seems impossible to recreate them even with today technology, every attempt at recreating them would crack the stone even with AI assisted machines, and then you have things like the “schist disk”, the "Spouted Bowl", there's also pure quartz crystal bowls and vases, there's a corundum bowl also in Cairo museum that makes no sense what so ever how it was made, just to name a few, its all to strange to say they were made with "primate" tools, i have no idea how they were made but im still waiting for the day someone does reproduce the level they were with the tools they supposedly had at the time but simply no one has recreated their accuracy without machines tools, lathes and computers thus far, anyways like i said id go straight to granite for a true understanding into how complex those piece are.
czcams.com/video/JTBPPoU1sfw/video.html
its not much but a small example of how difficult it is to create precise granite pieces
czcams.com/video/HUYd_UlaG5Q/video.html
another example of what it would take to create the precision of these pieces and of course they didn't have lathes according to history but it sure seems like they did, who knows tbh
Peace
I recommend doing an image search for "Fatamid ewers." This will bring up images of astounding vessels carved out of rock crystal during the Fatamid Caliphate which not only have thin walls, but also exquisite carved decorations. No AI-assisted laser-powered CNC machines necessary. "SGD Sacred Geometry Decoded" has a lot of great videos that show him making precision pieces out of granite using simple tools.
BTW, you're going to find impressive stonework from just about every pre-industrial civilization. The LAHT crowd attribute all the impressive works of the ancient Egyptians to the Lost Civilization, but they don't do the same thing to the Greeks, the Persians, the Romans, the Chinese, or the builders of the medieval cathedrals. At some point, even they have to admit that it's possible to create impressive and precise stonework and sculpture without the use of modern or futuristic technology.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love the jingle bells rendition. Has me absolutely grinning from cheek to cheek
All you need to cut and polish things is something harder.
Don’t break it!! 😂 impressive piece of work
2 years, no updates?
Coming soon
the patriarchy is holding her down: you have to be patient. you'll soon get to see the 10nm precision diorite handmade vase.
Anything? The other side is putting out tons more videos and "evidence" in the meanwhile
So how long time for one vase start to finish in work hours?
Would be nice to have some annotations on the video next time so we (the ignorant English-speakers, at least) know what's going on. I appreciate all the hard work you put in though, so understand if that's not possible currently. Also some kind of clock, timer or time stamp so we know how total many hours work it had taken to create each bit of stone. Great work!
Thank you!
It will be like this: czcams.com/video/Mq2KGQajfAo/video.html
Until then, there are some subtitles.
Great work Olga
Has this experiment been completed yet? If so where can we see the results?
@@vorona_v_palto Can you name only one such experiment debunking or inappropriate tool? Besides the water bottle, of course.
@@vorona_v_palto this comment is extremely low IQ
@@vorona_v_palto Another year Later. Nothing
Could you send this off to be measured accurately would love to see how close it comes to those found in the past which were 1-3000th's of a inch accurate on all sides, that would be the true test if you have found out how they made them.
Do you know of any verified artifacts that have been measured to your stated accuracy?
@@Eyes_Open he doesn’t
@@Eyes_Open Have any of the verified objects been scanned to determine their exact dimensions?
@@TrophyGuide101 Verified objects have been measured with even the most simplistic tools and display imperfections in symmetry and tolerance.
Thank you. I’ve never bought into the alian story,. It’s almost insulting, but do indeed marvel at the Egyptians .
Jingle bells in egypt-esque style😂😂😂
So, where's the final product?
The "final product" is still in the future. The experiment continues czcams.com/video/rS3jedWGrrY/video.html
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths thanks! I don't understand a word in Russian but I've subbed to this other channel too :)
Cute, but i'd give you a million dollars if you were able to ensure uniform tolerances of within less than a mm as shown in studied ancient Egyptian vases. please refer to unchartered x's videos
He does not have examples. He has a singular object of unproven history which he uses as a basis for unsupported claims.
Fantastique 👏
i have a next challenge, try to recreate the peru walls.
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Or giant granite pillars or statues...
Anything you want
That might be a bit outside the scope of 2-4 people.
If you're willing to fund the work...
Can somebody explain what's going on in this video
Love your videos! Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
I've always always wondered how did the Egyptians could polish those millennia ago. Now I have the answer. Spasiba guys
They could make that with hand tools
Great work!! The font size is too small.
Amazing work!
The experiment is invalid since there was surely no Christmas music back then.
what is the black grinding compound? , silicon carbide ??
Timing?
My only question is, is this scalable?
Don’t think this method explains the constant thickness of the walls of the vases found are within fraction of a millimetre, or how some of the walls are so thin you can see light through them. Very primitive way of drilling holes, and that’s it I’m afraid. Thank you for showing us how it’s not done.
What? There is a single artifact that someone claims is ancient and they push claims of precision. Nobody knows for sure how old. And then you are speaking of naturally translucent alabaster vessels?
@@Eyes_Open What about The Diac of Sabu? What about all the bowls in the Cairo museum that have been made so they sit balanced perfectly? What about all the granite bowls that have been made so the walls are so thin you can shine a light through them?? All done using this joke of a method?? Yeah right!
@@user-dz6ly9nw2k What about any of what you just said? Have you asked traditional stoneworkers in India how they would do it? Have you researched anything yourself or is it easier to constantly prove your incredulity? Shine a light through granite? That is an interesting false sounding claim.
@@Eyes_Open I like how you skipped the Disc of Sabu! lots of research thanks, thats how I know this method is hysterical. Gliphs just indicate a food mixing.
@@user-dz6ly9nw2k I didn't skip it. Ask the traditional workers. I, as well as them, are not impressed with your personal incredulity.
is that Christmas music? Yall are nuts, keep it up!
great video!
No ancient people are gonna spend almost a year at 6 to 8 hrs a day, using "primitive" tools to make one vase. This experiment has shown me that ancients were not as primitive as we are taught and that we actually had technology like frequency and magnetism and vibration (and taller beings) that helped make things we cannot fathom.
"we actually had technology like frequency and magnetism and vibration" - "frequency"of what? "Vibration" of what?
High Olga and Scientists Against Myths. Was this Diorite vase ever fully finished? Thank you for the great work you do. Love you.
Yes, the experiment is over. Making a video. Thanks!
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths hi, when will this video be released?
@@creatingcameron My guess is it won't be. The cuts are far too crude to stand direct comparison of finished projects.
@@sp10sn exactly.... because they're full of shit.
Having just endured "Bright Insight" total nonsense, this is a welcome antidote.....well done.
Same, for a good year I was conviced about his whole Atlantis and the eye of the Sahara nonsense. It wasn’t until I asked myself why isn’t this being taught ? I mean it was obvious that it was Atlantis an de after doing research I noticed how cherry picked or even how he blatantly miss interpreted and even possibly falsified or lied to try to prove his point
Where’s the finished product, this looks nothing like the sculptures of ancient Egypt that were big and detailed
@@dnicolas2535 thank-you for your response. Modern stone masons can duplicate anything made by the Egyptians, they share the same skills. The difference is modern masons work alone or small teams, these brilliant ancients had huge teams dedicated to their chosen purpose. The problem for doubters is that they absolutely no experience in working stone so how can they offer an opinion, they wrongly assume that the only way to work granite for example is with diamond saws etc. That is simply wrong. If you care to visit Cairo museum you will see numerous ancient tools which are near identical to those still used today. A friend of mine recently observed a stonemason in a village in India producing wonderful things, no sign of diamond or Tungsten tools here just brilliant craftsmanship.
@@dnicolas2535 imagine the point of this video is a satellite and you’re in the bottom of the Mariana’s trench, that’s how far you missed the point of this video
Love the christmas music
Where did she get that advanced tech from??😵💫
Hello olga hope you doing well, just curious if there will be any update about it as the project started two years ago by now, seems like it turned out to be a little more of a challenge as expected 😅 although apparently the project is done for over a month but still no results ? Thank you so much for your work as that might give little more insights to what tools or possibly machinery was used to produce such vases. Have a amazing day 👋
So anyone reading this now, they have found that they used fire pits now. The fire accelerates how much can be cut into stone. World of Antiquity has an interview with the person but basically with the heating of the stone, they can cut 20mm per minute as opposed to only 6mm per minute without the heating. I could remember wrong or maybe the guy mis spoke but someone in the video comments mentioned 200mm per hour (which sounds more realistic to me). So if you heat your stone and then use the cutting method, you'll get much farther and have more precision too.
Adel Kelaney performed the fire setting experiments in the granite quarry pits. I am not sure that it has been applied yet to this kind of vessel manufacturing.
@@Eyes_Open Yes, that's the egyptologist, thanks! Also, at the time of writing the comment I was under the impression that you could just cut into it faster, later on I became aware that it actually breaks down rather like glass.
i have a theory for a long time that you can experiment.. maybe they mixed molten copper with sand(not an ordinary sand but sand they create by pounding hardest stone around) and cast large SAW. i didn't see anyone try that may you guys can do and lets see the result. I hope you see this.
The big problen with this theory is, the melting point of copper is higher than the melting point of sand.
Also sand has less density than copper, so it would float on top of the molten copper.
We know how this was done
Why are you make animation with rtx
Nice try boys, but when you produce a diorite statue of Khafre then I might believe you have some kind of case.
Ultimately, you don't even begin to touch on the colossal technical and logistical problems inherent in the artefacts and monuments created by the Old Kingdom Egyptians.
That's like saying that marble cannot be carved with primitive tools, and then when it is demonstrated that it can be, you demand that they carve Michaelangelo's David.
Khafre's statue was obviously done by some of the most skilled craftsmen of the time, who had generations of experience. It was done for the pharaoh himself. This channel is experimenting with techniques which demonstrate that hard stone can be worked with tools that some claim is impossible without "lost ancient technology". They, and others, are proving these claims to be false. That is the key here. They will only get better with experience and further experimentation. She is having to make the tools herself. She doesn't have a whole industry of ancient Egyptian tool makers providing her with the materials she needs, nor does she have generations of experience in ancient methods of stone carving. Essentially she is a novice and you are expecting her to be as skilled as an ancient Egyptian master craftsman. Do you honestly believe that your demands are fair and reasonable?
Do you expect her to quarry and erect an obelisk on her own also before you're convinced that advanced technology wasn't used?
@@Leeside999 you could be right. I'm beginning to have a rethink about the whole subject.
@@emmetsweeney9236 fair play to you.
@@emmetsweeney9236 you really should, because the other choice is to continue believe rascist myths debunked over a hundred years ago.
@@Leeside999 well said ✊🏾
impressive, Olga! however, there's still the perfection of the early statues carving and finish. i will be watching to see how this progresses. i've subscribed so i won't miss anything.
First of all, this video only shows unfinished work. Second, she is basically learning this as she goes. The ancient Egyptian sculptors would have been heirs to accumulated knowledge and practice passed down over generations, and taught the arts from childhood. This video (and her other work) shows that it is possible to shape hard stones using technology available to the dynastic Egyptians, which is pretty much all she needs to do to prove her point, even if she never equals the work of the ancient masters.
@@kevincrady2831 1st, i know that, ergo my desire to see the next stage. 2nd, good point. will be watching for more on this.
@@floydriebe4755 yeah have in mind that the people that did this not only spent almost their whole life to the it craftsmanship but most likely spent generations upon generations
Was this ever completed?
It's finished. They are making the video.
@@Leeside999 6 months later... still no video. Just them claiming its done in the comments because they are realizing their crude creation is no where near a worthy comparison of that was found in egypt.
@@2jaymeister Looks like they are making a more comprehensive video that includes a response to UnchartedX's vase scan.
Do you honestly expect amateurs to be able to make a vase as good as the absolute best found in Ancient Egypt made by master craftsmen?
Before the vase scan video came out, it was argued by the LAHT grifters that they wouldn't be able to make a vase made of diorite. That diamond tipped tools would be required.
Now the focus is on precision. The goal posts are constantly shifting by the grifters.
So you proved that it’s hard to make a badly carved hole on a imperfect frame which probably took forever in diorite which is still easier then granite. I guess your kinda getting there? Now you have to figure out how to make the angles perfect without any chips or flaws and upscale by about 1000x all while making other upscale versions which fit together perfectly creating a indestructible construction. Then you need to figure out how to carve a perfectly symmetrical human face from one side to the other in granite remember you can’t even chip it a little it has to be perfect. You then also need to figure out a primitive way of finding the exact measurements of earth so you can place it on the location of true north on the globe. Then you need to align them perfectly to star constellations, the coordinates also just so happen to be the same as the speed of light, after all that’s done you need to dig a tunnel 200 ft into the bedrock. so add that to the bucket list all the while using only primitive technology. Don’t get me wrong what you are doing is awesome but you may just be further proving the myths. Your channel really should be called scientist confirm myths. You are aware most geniuses credit there work to a outside source almost like they were just a messenger of the knowledge not the creator of it? It doesn’t make sense that a few primitive hunter gatherers got together and created society and complex structures in what seems like the blink of an eye, then somehow forgot how they did it.
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@@ScientistsAgainstMyths all that info I just wrote and you patronize me. Everything is about money and power and popularity now in days no one actually does things for the good of mankind.
"the good of mankind"? I read stereotyped comments from believers in "perfect perfection weighing 100,500 tons" every day.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths how is that stereotyped you literally ignored everything I said and told me to subscribe to you? Your action caused my reply. Not me being a stereotype. And the stones being 100 to 500 tons ain’t the most impressive thing. Knowing the earths exact measurements is and aligning them to the stars is. Scientist say the Egyptians never traveled to America let alone travel the entire world and measure it. So enjoy you’re views and subscribers when you know that there is no way you can do that with primitive technology. Recreate the 3 little broken pyramids those are the ones the Egyptians actually made, they tried recreating what they found.
"SGD Sacred Geometry Decoded" has videos that cover most of the topics you raise. He recently produced one about achieving symmetry in stone sculpture.
The real question. Can you match the thinness and precision of the predynastic stone vases? Their flat planes and angles have a tolerance of 1/1000th of an inch. They are 99.9 perfect.
> Their flat planes and angles have a tolerance of 1/1000th of an inch. They are 99.9 perfect.
Bullshit
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths The accuracy of one of the vases was examined using a structured light scanner (SLS), which created a rather interesting model. Can you relate to this study? I'm not for duplicating unmade stories, I just want to know if this changes anything in this topic.
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Pretty rude response. But not bullshit. It is well known and numerous quality tests have been done by numerous academic groups. A simple Google search could easily inform you of such things. This level of precision can also be found in other Egyptian stone carvings as well. There are vases that are so symmetrical, with wall thickness so even, that their necks remain upright and level despite having rounded bottoms. I'm sorry, but your reply makes you sound really foolish. Egyptologists have been puzzling this stuff over for many many decades. It is all well documented.
@@pilotmorgan8669
> numerous quality tests have been done by numerous academic groups
I would be grateful for links to numerous publications in scientific journals
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths It isn't my job to inform you. Doesnt matter to me what you think. Very easy to find the info. Good luck.
But if aliens gave you ultrasonic drilling technology it will be much easier 😐
You guys are trying to disprove the theory that there is ancient tech, but at the same time I think you are clearly displaying the difficulty and time consuming nature of an undertaking like this without modern tools. While I think it's great what you guys are doing, I also think its a bit absurd to discredit the idea that there was something else at work in these past civilizations, and furthermore, it is much less how they would do it, but WHY. Why would they go through all this trouble when there are clearly other materials that could be used that would accomplish the same thing. Anyway, I respect that you guys are showing how possibly ingenious these people were(I mean historians don't even think they knew what a freakin wheel was!), but to say you have figured it out and that this is how they cut and drilled granite or quartzite(which is harder than granite) is ridiculous. .
> trying to disprove the theory that there is ancient tech
There is no point in disproving an unproven theory
> Why would they go through all this trouble when there are clearly other materials that could be used that would accomplish the same thing.
Well, yes, why would an ancient man use a bow? Let it shoot from AK-47
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths If you are serious, and not just trying to be condescending.... maybe discredit was a more appropriate word . What you are attempting to do is pretty evident. and you are comparing a bow to cutting granite? A bow is not very complicated to construct, and the resources to make one are in abundance.; it is something that is not entirely difficult to understand and conceptualize, and it was utilized as a means of survival.
Why go through all the trouble to cut granite with tools that are constantly being degraded(and that you also have to produce or acquire), when you can easily use other comparable stones that can be cut easier.
Anyway.. beyond cutting granite, how would you carve it into a statue using copper tools? Then transport it? You understand the difficulty of all of this I'm sure..
> you are comparing a bow to cutting granite?
No
> when you can easily use other comparable stones that can be cut easier
What exactly do you mean? We try a wide variety of materials
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths I think what he's trying to say is - why diorite? why not use sandstone, or alabaster, or other stones that are easier to carve? One reason I could think of is probably aesthetic one - perhaps diorites are more beautiful than the other stones? Or perhaps it's more precious (more expensive) than the other stones, simply because it is harder to work with, and needed a more experienced stone worker?
I think the video is just trying to prove that given primitive tools, we can recreate some of the ancient Egyptian stone works - and with time and expertise it might be possible to identically replicate those in the Egyptian museums. But of course, the precise details and fine work have to be validated by the experts - I'm no expert in stone carving and rely on the experts opinion for validation. The other questions such as "why they use diorite", "why are there inconsistencies with the other works, such as the crude writings on the very finely polished stone works, the vase cover made of clay", are not addressed here, and subject for another debate.
I myself a fan of the ancient advanced civilization theory, but if more facts surfaced that could explain ancient Egyptians are capable of making the exquisite stone works, such as the one being shown here, I would be happy to say I was wrong. Keep up the good work!
@@cooljosh2307 > why diorite? why not use sandstone, or alabaster, or other stones that are easier to carve?
The ancient Egyptians used limestone, sandstone, alabaster, schist, granite, gravuaca, diorite, marble, etc. Apparently, they used any available stone. The vessels turned out to be beautiful, multi-colored, of different quality.
Diorite is not an order of magnitude more difficult to process than marble, e.g., judging from our experience.
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Honest question, what's more likely -
1: They had access to more advanced tools or techniques that have simply been lost to time or not discovered yet.
2: They had super human abilities allowing them to achieve a level of precision undetectable to the human eye and that is on par with modern day precision machinery.
@@darklight2.1 does becoming a master craftsman grant you the ability to see precision beyond the human eye is capable of?
@@darklight2.1 how do they create a perfectly symmetrical square to help create perfectly symmetrical objects?
@@darklight2.1i think they are referring to some of the items that have been found that the difference from being perfectly symmetrical is a less than a width of a piece of paper. Can't do that protractor or string. I dont know how they did it nor do i think magical powers or aliens it but it is baffling to say the least
@@darklight2.1 because nobody's done it show me somebody who's made a vase with that symmetry with hand tools.
@@darklight2.1 again you prove my point. You also can't prove that they did it with the above-mentioned hand tools. The claim that they made them with copper chisels and such is also just the hypothesis that has never been proven. You are also exhibiting personal incredulity by not believing that they didn't possess different types of hand tools or techniques that we do not understand. You provide a very good example of circular thinking by exhibiting the fact that you think they must have made them with copper chisels and rocks because we have no solid evidence of what they actually used. Seems similar?
I though you where making a Statue. 🥴
Has your Doritos been used to remove granite from a quarry, especially beneath the granite as it’s still a part of bedrock ? There a quarries available all over the world so access to your isn’t a liablity
And yes, Doritos. They would do just as well as your hand held round rocks
Is this experiment about querying? How can you be this disingenuous?
This make you look stupid.
Are you willing to pay for the labor, travel and man power ?
Don’t forget the perfectly symmetrical handles on the side!!
Relevance? I know that UnchartedX has an object of unverified history. Anything else?
@@TopazBadger6550 They exist where and on what object of proven authenticity?
So looks like you were unable to do it? Interesting lol
She has finished it. They are making the video.
But they were tho ….
@@Leeside999 ooo so it only took two years for two of them to make one of them and no where near as precise as the ones we found underneath Giza hmmmm interesting very interesting indeed, now I understand why we don’t want to know more about them and how their were made it’s just so obvious that they were made by hand all 50k of them yes yes let’s stop all the research we definitely know it all right now thank you so much Russian chick for debunking all the theories yes yes
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"ooo so it only took two years for two of them to make one of them"---
Who knows why it took this amount of time. Maybe she had other more important things going on in her life.
"no where near as precise as the ones we found underneath Giza"----
You mean saqqara? Well, only one has been measured as "precise". Or do you know of other artifacts measured that matched those tolerances? Has the provenance of that vase been confirmed yet, btw?
"now I understand why we don’t want to know more about them and how their were made"---
You should. Watching this channel will help.
"it’s just so obvious that they were made by hand"----
I'm sure they probably used some sort of hand powered lathe like it is demonstrated on this channel. No computer generated laser cutters required anyways.
" let’s stop all the research we definitely know it all right now"--
I disagree, more experimentation is key. There are very few people doing this kind of work
" thank you so much Russian chick for debunking all the theories yes yes"---
Indeed. It debunks the claim that you need diamond tipped drill bits to work diorite. Ben and co used to make this claim. I love seeing bullshit assertions being debunked.
Perhaps the one who made these granite vases used water from the Nile in a long sluice to power drills and saws. That would explain the wrong cut in the box at Kairo museum. Someone meet a nice woman and forgot about checking the automated water/copper saw.
And also they put granite items in fast streaming water and added sand to give a polish, as with the boxes at Saqqara.
It would take weeks, months, but its pretty much free labour from water.
Well where is the Granite one
You people only do the small things which AH know are possible
But don't do the Mega sized things
Which are the reason why people are so skeptical about believing it was done by primitive tools
Can you make them with the data of how much metal has been erroded
And also the tool consumption and damage?
"Scale" = is not a compelling counterpoint. If a single craftsman can work a block of stone = 10 craftsmen working in concert can work larger blocks - or more of them............. and so on.
1 - Egyptologists as an example have over the years unearthed underground caches of mummified animals for votive offerings or as burial items = literally millions of them. Ergo we see not only what was a highly organized effort = we see your "scale". To create such as this would entail an entire industry within ancient Egyptian society - and subsequently an entire segment of their economy. It would have taken thousands if not tens of thousands directly to create this many items over a period of time to say nothing of those employed in supplying the raw materials involved.
2 - "tools". The Egyptians used bronze tools the same as many others for centuries. Also copper of course is recyclable much as we still do today. Ergo upon obtaining the required copper ore and smelting that into tools you have established a capacity to do = both.
3 - now as it happens the western copper mines of Sinai were conquered during the reign of Djoser and remained under Egyptian control for millennia. There are historical accounts dating to the Old Kingdom of Pharaohs sending expeditions to Sinai to harvest copper ore. Also there are historical scribe accounts from the Valley of the Kings. Phyles - gangs of workers who did specific tasks - used to have a person designated for tool control. They would swap out blunted/damaged tools and would further weigh them to prevent pilferage of broken bits - as copper was valuable after all.
So we see evidence of an organized system of work + evidence of your "scale" + evidence of their having access to copper/harvesting it/and using that to make tools. The fact that they bothered to monitor for theft of copper not only indicates they assigned value to it as a "strategic resource" = it also demonstrates they intended to remelt it down and recast the broken tools - otherwise why bother??? So incredulity is usually a reaction based upon a lack of understanding of the evidence relating to something. The solution of course = is to dig deeper. 🤔
p.s. - do not assume all you see as created using bronze tools alone. They also used gneiss stone tools and later on = iron ones. After all the Egyptian civilization existed well into the Iron Age and many sites contain sections added long after the site was originally built. Giza as one example was created during the Old Kingdom = but saw additions during the later New Kingdom and then the Late Period which followed.
@@varyolla435 your comment does not make sense too
you cant do that much of work with the consistency of the skill which they showed
When you have a literaly stone pot taking 6-8 months of your life, then even if 100 of people work on a statue
it would take years to complete
and where would you find the personnel replacement who have similar skill and know what they are doing
since many people were young and with not many artefacts done,
I want link of the "millions of mummies"
I want the link, please I will see it
what you do not understand is and know only because you licked textbooks
in order to reach level of skill displayed by those statues built for Rameses(allegedly)
just by using copper shit and others
You need to make dozens of artefacts for that, just for reaching good level, not even the level of making those statues
understood?
it is likes saying you can be an artist just by sketching 12 drawings, what you do not understand it
there werent on their work 24/7
they also took Good amount of leisure too
and the skill does not match up
and so does scale, scale is still a valid point
because you just spit up nonsense
making 60ft statues is not equal to burying a dead animal, and yes they had very good organised system
even Kids have organized system of some kind, doesnt mean they can be some sort of manager, you can get billions today if you want to bury animals
There is no surprising thing about that
and no you cannot get the lost copper oice it is dusted of
do you even know where the copper goes when it is abbrased?
@@harsha6937 As expected you obsess over "incredulity" as opposed to actually taking note of what others say. That traps the individual in a world whereby they endlessly gin up excuses to not believe what is before their face. Enjoy your incredulity.
p.s. - here is an excerpt from a 2015 article on NPR: _Millions of mummified dogs found in ancient Egyptian catacombs_
"In catacombs south of Cairo, researchers have discovered burial sites filled with huge numbers of mummified animals - nearly 8 million of them, mostly dogs.
The catacombs, at a site called Saqqara, are dedicated to Anubis, the jackal-headed god of the afterlife. Archaeologist and Egyptologist Salima Ikram, a professor at the American University in Cairo who has worked extensively at the site, writes that animal mummification began in ancient Egypt "to allow beloved pets to go on to the afterlife, to provide food in the afterlife, to act as offerings to a particular god and because some were seen as physical manifestations of specific gods that the Egyptians worshipped."
This is but one. Such caches are being discovered periodically. One was found in 2019 and another after that which contained dozens of animals to include a mummified lion cub. It is east to not believe = if you never bother to look. 🤔
@@varyolla435 Hmm that seems like a burial site which was used for 1000s of years, which explains the accumulation of Millions of animals
We can find Hundreds or even thousands in our graveyards, does that make it super impressive Organisation?
No it's just a normals one
And Mr. Ergo I do read the articles
And I do know it's possible, to do with what you said it it possible
But the problem is with Probability
Literally Egypt is the only culture which managed to do such feats
And no other culture did as good as Egypt
And it's really impressive
So I have double mindset over this
I do know it's possible to do such things
But I also anticipate we know very little of Their possessions
So I argue against it in order to learn
And in order to keep this alive
Basically
Situation just like Troy will arrive
@@harsha6937 You miss the obvious. In order to create such = an organization had to exist. If such sites existed for centuries = again an organization had to exist. Further its existence over a period of time itself shows = "demand" - such as would justify..........an organization - even one spanning centuries.
So you keep ginning up rationalizations so as not to believe instead of recognizing what is before you. To create such demands an organized effort = which we see evidence of. You base conclusions on what you see - not "what if........." so as to justify incredulity. You have your evidence.