The Stories Of Producers Who STOLE Beats (Explained)
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These industry dudes steal beats in plain site, no remaking, no reworking, and if you spend the money on going after them, likely youll eventually settle for less than you’re owed.
And they know that you’ll settle from the get go 🙁
DJ Pain what up
The beat you did for Last Supper on The Game Jesus Piece album is classic
There was a similar kind of disagreement with who produced the Eric B. & Rakim records in the 80s (which had very influential production on them)... they're credited as produced by Eric B. & Rakim, but in a lot of cases Rakim and Eric took the records they wanted to use to Marley Marl and Marley did a lot of the sampling/programming.
So it becomes a case of whether the producer is the person who had the idea of what to put together, or the person who physically put the elements together.
Yeah that problem exists a lot, especially when it comes to 'ghost producing'
In my opinion everyone involved deserves some kind of credit (unless they don’t want it for some reason)
And Marley is also known to have taken sole credit for beats he didn’t even do. I don’t remember specific songs but I do know Ced Gee and Large Professor being part of some songs they didn’t get credit for.
@@Mar.Escobar24 Ced Gee produced 50% of Criminal Minded (The Bridge Is Over was one of them) and indeed Large Professor produced a lot of stuff for Eric B & Rakim but also Kool G Rap & Polo.
Large Professor did many including “In the Ghetto”.. Rakim was a producer too.
your videos always butter me up and tuck me into bed navie i appreciate that
But I release these in the morning. Wake up!
@@NavieD😂😂😂
I still find it quite amazing how they put together 'Do For Love' with that Bobby Caldwell hook. Must have had a great ear when he heard Dilla beat matching that
When i first heard that , i thought it was produced by dilla bcs it sound like a jay dee production. Then i see this and it all makes sense.
Stole fw outta Dilla beat
maybe my ears are deceiving me, but I just figured in "Do For Love" someone just played the horn melody on bass (syth or real) and adjusted the speed/pitch/etc. So, whether he chopped his sounds to create the bass sound for the melody, isn't it still a sample/interpolation of Caldwell's horn melody?
@@Andre.Malik11 i think the Horn chop is not from Bobby Caldwell but from a different song which Dilla sampled
Love the variety in your videos man, good stuff
This is such a fun video. It was channels like you and diggin the greats that really made me actually start subscribing to music channels on here outside of just guitar teachers and its these vids with more music history and beat break downs together that really hook me
Great video my friend! I always find these types of videos super interesting, as well as very educational.
There were rumours back in the day that Timbaland would hire ghost producers and make them work in a studio and just take the best samples for himself. He also claimed that he invented dubstep lol. Let’s not forget that infamous case where he quite literally stole a sample and claimed he made it himself, without giving credit.
Yea, those aren't rumors at all. Lol.
Timbaland spoke about that if i remember correctly, where he let Danja Hands produce under his name so he could get him more money for the beats
Yeah bro art and music has nothing but thieves in there
Timbo co produced " No More Pain" by 2pac from All Eyez On Me album , but went uncredited by Devante
Next to Swizz Beatz, Timbaland is a Charlatan of the HIGHEST Order. Fuckin' can't stand his Music, and I don't care how many European Beatmakers have been influenced by his Music.
The thing about Aphex Twin getting his song sampled on a Kanye record then being told by his camp “It’s not yours, it’s OURS. And we aren’t asking.” Sent (angry) shivers down my spine. Welcome to the industry lol.
Do you think it might of been possible that Aphex Twin didnt copyright his version, and got it sampled with full ownership from Kanye Camp? Crazier things have been done in this industry.
Except Aphex Twin had been in the industry for decades before Kanye was even a household name.
@@LaidBackApophiswurd hahaha exactly 😅
@@raimondnu3 if it's released, it's published. If it's published, it's copyrighted.
that does not apply @@LaidBackApophis
amazing video as always davie n! keep it up bro, fr best beatmaking content ever.
Jesusss you are talented man been looking for this type of content for years
It's hard to tell, but I lean towards theft. I'm relatively no one in the game, but I've had two songs stolen outright. One song became a local hit and anchored an album. Anyone who makes beats long enough will get jacked.
Same has happened once with me but that was only the melody of a folk song, but its not fun when you put them out for free to help people relax or chill, but it has only happened once with me though, but its not fun if someone makes money out of something i made for free and out of caring, i though the was a law for this i think as long as you have your song you can prove it ( in thoery) but how it really works in the practical side of thing i dont know
@@oscaroscar7904 In my case, it wasn't a sample-based beat, it was something completely original I played. I did have the original still, but let's just say there would've been a lot of politics involved if I had pursued it. Gotta know when to hold 'em and fold 'em.
@@verbone yeah thats true and I try to see it as a sort of compliment if someone used part of my melody for something lol, but I just think it happens alot more then people are aware ( on youtube or other more obscure music.), and I am not against sampling though of course, and when its done right it can make a song into something else, like making a sad ballad song into a beat and transforming that into a major or energetic happy song is really cool.
Your breakdown and analysis is just unparalleled
I’m more of an Afro/deep house/bounce producer but damn you really have some of the best content out here! I appreciate you greatly.
African mumble
Impressive video ..u get a sun just on the work to put this video together.. clean , precise and most importantly informative!!! Love it
It must take you hours upon hours to get these recreations made in your DAW, and then make a whole dope ass interesting video about it! Great work per usual Navie!
With today tool maybe not hours. With the old technology probably
Does take hours although by now I'm sure he has some good refined processes.
Wow impressed bro witb your content earned a follower
an hour tops. I can make most of these in 30 mins or so.
More videos like this please, along with your normal tips and tricks videos. This was really interesting.
love this!! Something we all have to know coming into this game. Thanks again Navie D! keep loving yourself. peace and love from Japan
something I love about Jamaican djs and old 80s dancehall is that is very common to hear the same beats and samples
but this is looked upon the crowd, they look for djs who can add their own thing to the classical beats.
Same with early Memphis rap
I really like these type of videos. Keep them coming.
I ve made recently a beattape, and something that I've found quite unique, the question is that a fellow producer came across me, who was with me one of these days while I worked on the tape telling " owh I've used one of the samples you got there, I hope u don't mind, check my beat, see here" ofter I've checked we both laught at the differences, with two completely different approaches. Long story short, no problem in using, in fact, the same sample, the thing is how you do it maintaining your identity on it. I've made a Celtic druid tape and put that there, it's great, and the dude made a freestyle like beat that's dope as f***, he didn't quite stole, he made it to be way different than mine, even so I didn't feel malice, it was a good studio day that day 😁
These videos are really good bro
Diddy needs to go to jail
Diddy got my joint back in 2001. It's wasn't his fault tho. I sent it to him.
The beat for the second track on JPEGMafia's Veteran album was first credited to Peggy but was actually produced by someone else
They all losers 🤣
Ahh yeah, the Chef Warren thing. Was he accused of stealing or was it people assuming Peggy produced it?
@@NavieDnah he stole it, no permission no credit
@@NavieD I'm not fully sure actually, could very well be the latter. But i remember Peggy getting very defensive abt the whole thing😂
He definitely stole it, guy made zero money off that shit and has a full beat breakdown in his channel.@@NavieD
This is a fascinating video, great work
Dude I love your videos, you are a true hip hop head
Mann I love this video, nice content as always. Thanks
BABE WAKE UP NAVIE POSTED ANOTHER VIDEO
Let that woman sleep
That due for love intro is MAGICAL takes me back.
That production from „Do For Love“ is crazy tho🔥🔥🔥
That's just sampling
I just came along and then I found your channel I really like it😊
I love learning, and you are great at teaching. Nuff said.
Cheers!
I love you
@@NavieD
benzema teachin me bout sum music history
nice content brother, kudos
New to your channel and love the content 🔥🔥🔥 you got my sub
You forgot to mention Dr. Dre.
Hutch, from Above The Law, was working on a Beat in his House, and Dre was there, listening and watching the process (Hutch was working on a funky Synth Bassline). A few Years later, that Bassline was featured on "Dre Day". In case you didn't know, Hutch was the Son of Willie Hutch, the man who composed the Soundtrack to the '70s Blaxploitation Classic, "The Mack", starring Max Julien and Dick Anthony Williams as "Pretty Tony".
As a person that know someone in the industry. They even do this to engineers. They do it to everyone. Music is a shady business
All businesses are shady. If you can save money and get away with it, you will.
When it comes to music, its not about who did it first, its about who did it best. Respect will always be paid to the originators and pioneers by the people making the music, but the masses will remeber the best version of something. Be the best.
sampling another beat and stealing its just sampling lol
Are you referring to the J Dilla case?
@@NavieD yh
Nah. Even if it’s a direct sample, you should add something original to it, otherwise it’s straight up copying aka stealing
Moving forward to 2023, spotify doesn't show credits to producer or beatmakers. I was shocked seeing this on my productions while I spent some time filling in all the right informations on my distribution page, making sure everything is there before submitting to digital release
Great stuff man. Sub well earned.
Great video, funny 🤣 thing I was just discussing Poppa Was A Playa with a friend who happens to be a producer as well because I love the sample usage and especially the hi hat panning technique along with the drum simplicity and the chimes but those hi hats 🔥 🤦🏿♂️
Your knack for recreation is genuinely impressive.
wanted too let you know i enjoy your content very much, i find it very "inclusive" even though im using ableton, keep going love ur work
Thanks Matt! I try my best to make the videos understandable no matter what you use
My teenage son produces some good beats and was approached by a low tier rapper on Fiver. My son just gave him one trying to get “exposure” and the credit on Tidal lists the artist as the composer and producer. I really would have liked to see his name, I was really proud of how good the song came out. This may be a Hanlon’s Razor moment, indeed.
Real like/appreciate your content. I’m new to this space. I had a question for you, in todays environment is there a process producers need to do before uploading there beats to (let’s say distrokid) in order to minimise theft? Have you made content on this subject? Thanks
The labels definitely mess things up at times, like what Rawkus did with the Godzilla sample in "Simon Says." If the labels/managers do everything in their power to screw artists out of money, why wouldn't they at least to get away with doing the same to producers and sample clearances?
J Dilla's ear must've been insane. How the hell did he hear all that in Do for love?😮
It’s harder when don’t understand the industry. I started out as a Chicago house dj/ producer as a kid in the 90s. I was really into making hip hop soul beats, like RZA and OutKast’s producer. I made the tracks on my MPC 60 that I bought from cutting hair at school. I was a rapper at the time but my flow was different. So I rapped on my own tracks that literally sounds similar to Otis, international players anthem and many modern songs. Well before they were produced. I laugh now as I get that many people can have similar ideas and experiences. back then I wanted to be a part of this hip hop group called Ill State, my friends brother was their engineer for them. When my backpack was stolen a few of my copy tracks and piece book were stolen too. Only later to hear similar songs. I don’t make music anymore but I still have the drives and listen to them now and then.
This is one of the coolest things iv seen on the hip hop side of CZcams bro you got a series on your hands now you need to do a mini doc bout song theft and have some underground artist show you proof of how whole songs get stolen
Ive been stolen off. I dont wanna even givem a name. But trust. It made me feel like seeking some type of revenge. Especially when i saw in his comments people talk about how good it sounded. I will release the entire original project 1 day soon. I think thats the best way. 😊
Down and Out was Dope! I didn't know this information.
Something like that happened to me once.
I was featured on a song that got almost half a mill streams on SoundCloud (which was at peak popularity back then) and was getting thousands of streams on other services, yet I didn’t get any traffic from it since my artist name was misspelled, the artist who was the main artist was doing his best to change that, yet nothing came of it.
Morale of the story: Be careful what distributors you work with.
I watched a interview with the producer Soulshock from Souldshock & Karlin who did Do For Love. I think Soulshock mostly did drums and samples and Karlin played keys. He talked about when he did that song how he was a huge fan of Dilla and Tribe. I think he def sampled the drums and that guitar chop (or recreated it) but to me its more like uncredited sampling than just jacking a beat. He did mention though how Karlin came up with the bassline on the keyboard. They also did Me Against The World. It was a cool interview.
BS. They chopped up Dilla's s7&&^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@dianevrules I said that. I said I think he sampled the drums and the little guitar thing but that's different than just jackin somebody's beat. The beat itself completely different.
That sample that supposedly nobody can find is don’t say goodnight (it’s time for love) by The Isley Brothers
Picture a bunch of rap producers complaining about somebody stole their beat and their sound when the majority of the beat's sound was jacked from a sample of some other producer's instrumental, crybaby crap at it's best, absolutely ridiculous.....
I love the quote. I recently had a situation where I thought a producer stole from me on a Tony Yayo song. I reached out to the producer and Tony Yayo, neither got back to me (Surprise!) but in the end, I chalked it up to we both took an easy route in chopping same sample. maybe that's naïve of me. but i'd rather chalk it up than stay enraged. that being said it also taught me that maybe my stuff was a little better than i thought, but I still need to work on my drums and get my legal stuff together before continuing to put music on Soundcloud. Anyways, I loved the video...I think Puff definitely stole. Only because he's done so much shady stuff. And thanks for the quote. I'm going to print it out and give you a sub credit. LOL
sample jacking/biting is a no no.. if you're going to use a sample that's already been used, you need to flip that sample to sound totally different. The end result will always be victorious.
Southside from 808 Mafia does this to a lot of the young and dumb producers he got signed under him. He puts his 808 mafia tag on their beats but doesn't credit them.
In Norway there’s been two crazy low down dirty producers. I know a group that had to pull everything they released for two-three years cos a producer/beat maker took credit for ALL the beats on their albums, when he just simply stole everything from other producers. He recorded and totally jacked beats from other producers. It all came to light when one of the producers who actually made the beat threatened to sue them. And they started testing their “producer” by asking him to changed some minor things to the beat, and they asked to get stems and he couldn’t provide. And we have another dude doing the exact same thing to day. I actually think it’s the same guy😂 and he’s also working with known American rappers as well.
Whats their name?
@@prodyungbames the first guy I don’t remember his name cos it’s been like 15+ years ago but this other guy is dj scob
A more recent example I can think of is Bryson Tiller's "Exchange " and J.Cole's "Deja Vu" and the dispute surrounding the beats of those two songs. Yet the samples, while being the same were used VERY differently
And the Dre / Ericka Badu situation, With Xplosive and avg lady
Those were just samples
It’s just like being the Avatar, you have to know all the masters as far as, Dilla, Pete Rock, Slumgulion, 9th Wonder, etc. I use their templates as a foundation for navigating through any sample I hear. I understand it’s like learning different styles of Kung-Fu. Once you’ve learned how to use the techniques, you can come up with some really ill creations. The key to unlock the door is your imagination. The same process is for juggling records too (vinyl) how to breakdown time signatures in the in the song already provided for you.
Yeah, you're right. Sometimes it's not outright theft. The Down N Out situation reminds me of Kitty Kat by G-Unit, where on the record 50 shoutouts Polow Da Don as the producer but the credits list Hit-Boy (Who was signed to Polow at the time). What ended up happening was that the beat CD came from Polow so 50 assumed the beat was made by him when he recorded the verse. lol
Same exact siatuatiin with Who Dat by Jeezy. D Rich made it even tho Jeezy shouts out SR
Kanye said he didn’t produce the record in an interview he cleared that up
8:41 'Pitch speed changes to avoid police detection' 😂😂
I had to upload this video 8 times just to avoid it
Yo what's up. Kool to see you here
@hazybeatz1327 Yo! This international beatmaker / producer community is actually a small world! Hope you're good.
diddy sneaking into Pete rocks studio is hilarious
Great video
The Puffy vs. Pete Rock situation is a common thing among black men: Basically Puff looking down on Pete like someone like YOU shouldn't be this good, so I have to bring up someone else who I deem worthy or is one of "us".
We all know the type of people that Puffy prefers.
Well that went to places I didn't expect
The Eddie Kendricks sample was used in 1995 by a French rap crew called Iam in the song called "bad boys de Marseille " , they featured Redman in 1997 in their single (la saga) so I guess Kanye heard about them and probably liked Keops sampling and producing method..... just a guess
I would wish it was true because Meteque et mat is one of my favourite albums but Eddie kendricks is known to everybody that’s in to soul/R&B music. And there was the song Victem of the Ghetto from college boys that allready used the sample, there’s a big change Iam took inspiration from it because the hook has a little bit similar feeling to it
it's Sunz Of Man who features on the IAM song la saga
@@1010001011 it was the single Noble art that featured Redman and method man my mistake
Do for love karlin said they wanted it to sound like a tribe called quest "relax yourself", now for the DJ Dillah part it's my first time hearing it, but with your explanations it sounds like a mix of both ATCQ & Dillah which were collaboraters
Down and out beat was originally on a song Called Anthrax it came out years before Kanye's version, it was produced by a group in Philly on a mix tape called Logan Valley
make this into a series
4:30 this happens alot on the vocal side of things too but its more accepted and seen as paying dues. From the weekend working on drakes take care album in the shadows before it was his turn all the way back to future working on blue berry yum yum for ludacris while he slept on the couch in the dungeon
Whoa, I did not know about the Future and Blueberry Yum Yum part. That is crazy
@@NavieD yep theres probably many more cases like this we just werent ever told about
One of the things I’m learning from all of these videos is almost every beat is using some sort of sample
Would love a video on just blaze perhaps a what naive can teach us about him 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾
Interesting. Man make a video on what makes a melody/sample chops dark and underground. how to flip sample to the dark side
The original production for Juicy Fruit is insane. One of my fave beats ever.
That pissed me off how Kanye disrespected the legend aphex twins people need to put respect on Aphex Twin name.🤦🏾♂️
Puffy also flipped the same Oliver Sain sample DITC used on "day one" just a few months after they did, he used it exactly the same tho haha
Would you say that is theft in this case?
@@NavieD Showbiz certiantly thinks so i was able to find the article i read about it one day ill try and copy and paste it here but it may be autobanned if i dont censor it a bit
@@NavieD
"Show: Puffy took that sample [from Big L’s “M.V.P.”] on purpose. Let’s keep it 100. That’s my opinion. Finesse was one of Puffy’s Hitmen producers. They had a falling out and Finesse went his own way. L is down with D.I.T.C. and Puffy got Biggie and wanted to show it up, like “I can do it better.” If you listen to our song “Day One,” Puffy rhymed that too [on Puff Daddy and the Family’s “Young G’s”]. Puffy is cool, I got respect for him, but he’s competitive like that. It ain’t like that was a coincidence. Puff and Big came out with that record that Big L had. The rules back then were that you don’t use something that somebody else just used. So for him to say “Fthat, I’m going to use it anyway,” shows he was like “I’m going to show theseNs up!” This ain’t on anybody else, this is coming from my mouth. I don’t give a, I’m 100 with it. It is what it is."
@@NavieD in my opinion it was disrespect but not theft as both beats were just loops, not creatively chopped up or that would have been beyond any benefit of a doubt
Damn I’m here under 10,000 views, haha crazy.
Been really enjoying your videos 🎉
there was a song from st louis that was no 1 in the city.. that got played several times on L.A. radio 2 years before pac used it..the song was Deep by Illegal Assembly pac sped it up ad called it picture me rollin
Thanks for risking your life for the greater good. Bless you
Ok we need a more in depth look at this if there is anymore info on all these + many more
If u do a part 2 - beatnuts and jenny from the block- “2 shots of henny on the rocks, and if the beats nuts I’ll take it like jenny from the block”
You are the Karim Benzema of Music Production 😂😂
This happens in every field where there is a apprentice situation unfortunately
Loool that ending with the spotify credits was hilarious
Tupac beat sampled is from Bobby Caldwell(What You Won't Do For Love). Master P sampled it to for(If I Could Change)
keep these stories up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The beat also sounds like Tribe Called Quest's Electric Relaxation
Wow, the Dilla part of this video is very interesting, as I always thought that Dilla actually produced "do for love"..I guess the track resempled so much the dilla sound that I just assumed it. Nice to see that there is actually some truth to my assumptions.
Kanye used to sound so much more sane and controlled within himself. Damn. I never understood what people meant by the “old Kanye” until this moment. Just hadn’t noticed.
The original Juicy was beat was stolen from a underground Louisiana rap tape. The song was even called something similar and the rappers name was the notorious. Literally the same exact beat. If I can find it again I’ll send a link
The Notorious B1 is his name. The song is on youtube you can search it. I even heard that Diddy changed Biggy Smallz name to Notorious Big taking B1’s name too. He probably brought his demo to diddy for a chance to be signed a got robbed 🤷🏾♂️
@@fastidious7695 thanks for giving me the info, I haven’t been able to find it since
The mall soundbyte on do for love is used by many like tribe called quest the bass is moog and rhodes played by karlin
Evidence said on Talib’s podcast, Peoples’ Party, that Kanye stole the beat to Last Call from him.
The Juicy, Pete Rock, Diddy beat can be put to rest... because Andre Nickatina used that sample for "The Ave" in 1992 before the BIG song.
Whats up bro great video .. yes its crazy I had a portion of one of my loops in loopeeman called traper bellz from kohibabeatz that was used on Travis Scott THANK GOD song the intro bells and I never got no credit ..
This is how it be in 93.... till infinity. Sounds like do for love. I thought thats where the waynes got their sample for the intro to their show on tv.
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It’s not safe out there this video needs a part 2 about beat theft in the digital age
y'all wanna bet how long navie lasts after releasing this?😂
Kanye is loser I dont like him 🤣 his fans so cringe
CZcams gang protect me!
@@NavieDdude this is like Illuminati conspiracy theory level information.
48 hours 💀
I’m selling the “Free Navie” t-shirts right now!😂
Over a year prior to ready to dies release , Dre Dog’s the new Jim jones had that beat from juicy and the beat to big poppa
So who really made it first 🤔