Aeldari Wraithguard Are Making A Comeback!!-“The Spirithost Cometh!!”

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  • čas přidán 26. 05. 2024
  • Well looks like I was wrong about Wraithguard being dead competitively… I have learned their secrets and come bearing knowledge of the void!! Enjoy!!
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  • @eldardave1226
    @eldardave1226 Před měsícem +19

    I use 5 wraithguard with a spiritseer to march up the table alongside an avatar. The intention was to ensure my opponent had a dilemma of who to shoot, and whoever they didn’t would start wreaking havoc in their lines. Oddly enough, everyone I’ve used this on (Tau, Imperial Guard, & Orks so far) have ALL shot at the Wraithguard before the Avatar!!😂😅😂. So what do we call this? A “Distraction GUARDafex”?😂😅😂

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      😂😅 Lmfao yes!! The avatar has his own little bodyguard!

    • @viktorf6798
      @viktorf6798 Před měsícem +1

      Most expensive distraction guardafex i've ever heard about tho :P I used to use the wraithlord as a distraction LORDafex (see i can to make wordplay) because big is scary to most people

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      @@viktorf6798 Also a great idea!

    • @eldardave1226
      @eldardave1226 Před měsícem

      @@viktorf6798 True, but it wasn’t intended that way…. It was supposed to be a dilemma, but surprisingly everyone shot at those guys over the Avatar, which I thought would have been the opposite, given the points difference and the avatar’s potential for general mayhem in the shooting phase, close combat phase, and overwatch.

  • @terranaxiomuk
    @terranaxiomuk Před měsícem +7

    Dont forget folks. Likes increase exposure on youtube. Don't just watch it.

  • @Some_Cool_Dude
    @Some_Cool_Dude Před měsícem +7

    Love my ghost Bois! I'll play em even if they suck, so it's nice to know they still have some play 😊

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      Dude they are pretty awesome!

    • @RealScrymeaRiver
      @RealScrymeaRiver Před měsícem +1

      I for one welcome the third impact.

    • @deadofn1ght
      @deadofn1ght Před měsícem +2

      It feels so cute shooting with them 3x a Battle round sometimes lol

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      @@deadofn1ght it’s awesome!!

  • @ShockArcl1te
    @ShockArcl1te Před měsícem +3

    Boosting this cuz I remember the good times with my wraith boys.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +2

      I love the Wraiths!! Imo still way better than they were in 9th!

  • @saturnianlotus8343
    @saturnianlotus8343 Před měsícem +2

    So essentially as long as the opponent kills enough wraithguard (usually 3) to the point where we can pull them out of engagement range right before consolidation, we can still make our retaliation shots. Honestly I kinda like this as a slight middle ground between always having pistols and just not being able to fend off most dedicated charging units. It feels like it could be a bit unintended, but as we saw the original intention of always being able to shoot was just somewhat OP, so at least now the ability rewards some extra setup and skill if played this way.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +2

      Yes exactly, not sure if it was intentional either but that’s how every similar ability in the game works so really it’s just up to GW to clarify it for all factions in the core rules. It does indeed reward a bit of hand knowledge to pull it off though!

  • @ljholder89
    @ljholder89 Před měsícem +3

    I've been running a 10 man wraithguard brick even after all the nerfs because they fit thematically in my Iyanden colour scheme or with the Ynnari in my opinion.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      They are very cool! I love them still regardless ❤️

  • @Doin1er
    @Doin1er Před měsícem +4

    Sneaky! Love it. Brother could you please do a vid on the Yncarne? Really wanna use this thing but struggling to justify it over the Avatar of Khaine

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +5

      Will do my friend!! Been wanting to look into the Yncarne again!

  • @redhead123456
    @redhead123456 Před měsícem +2

    I use a wraith flank in my list, 5xguard+spirtseer 5xblades with axes and a wraithlord !

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      Nice dude that is awesome 😉 I like that combo!

  • @iselbub
    @iselbub Před měsícem +2

    I always felt that Banshees are a good counter-assault unit. They’re long range gives them the ability to intercede in melee to protect key units or clear an objective. That being said, I’m gonna play my Wraiths with Incubi instead because I play Ynnari.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      I love Banshees with their new points cut! You are spot on as well their threat range is amazing 🥲

  • @mirco59495
    @mirco59495 Před měsícem +1

    Merci pour cette vidéo 👍

  • @nocnygrajek
    @nocnygrajek Před měsícem +2

    Very clever, but quite situational. An opponent has to get a low charge roll or make a big mistake while moving their models. If there are no solid walls on both sides of the whole action, the infantry can just pass its own models to get to more Wraithguards. So if an opponent lacks skills, if they charge with non-infantry or if there is a particular terrain... it should work!

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      If you spread three front Wraithguard two inches apart your opponent should have trouble moving past if positioned correctly. It’s something to keep your eye out for but yes s large charge roll could be trouble

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      Phantasm could increase that distance too

    • @nocnygrajek
      @nocnygrajek Před měsícem +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 I'm thinking of my friends I play with. I have to pretend I do it unintentionally, otherwise, they would know I'm up to something. :D

    • @calronkeltaran493
      @calronkeltaran493 Před 18 dny

      @@nocnygrajek so what will they gonna do? not charge you? the horror indeed

  • @SanDan3rdDan
    @SanDan3rdDan Před měsícem +2

    You speakin' my language

  • @MarcosGarcia-ot2lt
    @MarcosGarcia-ot2lt Před měsícem +1

    It's good that wraithguard are still good enough to be able to field but I find their effectiveness is very dependent on the spiritseer. Competitive lists have lots of answers to them. As an eldar/drukhari main player I would be quite confident in a mirror match against a wraith brick. The wave serpent trick is cool but pretty pricey for a fast response unit.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      Totally agree they still have plenty of counters and anti infantry wrecks them

  • @marcusramirez8181
    @marcusramirez8181 Před měsícem +2

    A little random, but as someone who joined in 10th edition, it's so funny to me to see veterans refer to psyker abilities by their names (doom, guide) when I just associate the ability by the name of the model (eldrad, farseer skyrunner). Seems like GW kind of messed up the psychic abilities with how versatile they seemed to be

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      Yep very true lol 😂 I did that without even thinking about it 😅

  • @PT84
    @PT84 Před měsícem +3

    Doesn't the enemy get to consolidate before you can shoot back with the wraithguard?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      Yes but you have to make it into base contact so if you use 2-3 wraithguard spread out in front to prevent the enemy unit from being in engagement of more than 2-3 models thrm once those models die you can shoot

  • @ElGordoBandito
    @ElGordoBandito Před měsícem +1

    Ehh, I’ve had my fun with my Wraithguard already. At their current points I feel like if I have to choose between them and Khaine, I’m taking Khaine. I’ve found that a big brick of Windriders with a Farseer Skyrunner can also threaten Orks pretty well, and they can also help complete secondaries and threaten overwatch a ton better than wraiths. Glad to see they’re still viable though.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      For sure dude!! Yes you pretty much do have to choose between them and the avatar 🫤

    • @prickles21
      @prickles21 Před měsícem +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 Unless you play Ynnari, then the choice is made for you!

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      @@prickles21 Very true!! Lol 😂

  • @ryosukekaneshiro
    @ryosukekaneshiro Před měsícem +3

    Im honestly surprised that you're surprised weaithguard are still viable

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      I thought they would be too easily countered 😐

  • @Wybrand418
    @Wybrand418 Před měsícem +1

    With a literal reading of the rules, you are correct about the charge. But it doesn't feel to me that is the INTENT of the ability. Has this use of the ability been confirmed at tournaments?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      It’s definitely not the intent but yes tournaments have ruled that abilities that happen right after attacks are made occur before consolidation

  • @MrThepatriot30
    @MrThepatriot30 Před měsícem +1

    Strange that you can mix the swords and axes 5 and 5 in the wraithblades on the app but not in a 10 unit wraith guards. Like 5 D scythe and 5 D canons. It could be nice to mix them, no ?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      It would be nice to mix 😞 unfortunately that’s not the case 🫤

  • @Xcomtrol
    @Xcomtrol Před měsícem +1

    In the example provided at the end, is that not impossible as the front model is outside Coherency?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      No they are supposed to be exactly 2” apart. I forgot to mention there should be a third wraithguard in a triangle up front but I forgot to put it in 🫤 oops 😅

    • @Xcomtrol
      @Xcomtrol Před měsícem

      @@ProxyHammer1 The distance is fine, you would want as much space as possible, it was the missing model that caused confusion.

  • @andrewforsythe9146
    @andrewforsythe9146 Před měsícem +1

    Not sure if I follow the sequence. If the enemy melee unit kills all your Wraithguard in engagement range (thus allowing you to shoot), surely you're not in combat anymore and can't pile in and fight?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      Well if your opponent decides not to consolidate into them then yes I believe so… but that works out even better as you don’t have to fallback with feigned retreat

  • @heavensharem5711
    @heavensharem5711 Před měsícem +1

    i am personally a fan of ynnari because i get to slap 10 wraithguard and a spiritseer in a raider with 11 firing deck and rain hell on my opponent with a big fat flying shield

    • @prickles21
      @prickles21 Před měsícem +3

      How? Wraithguard don't have the Drukhari keyword

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      Ya unfortunately that’s not possible 😞 should be though!!! At least 5 models

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      I was thinking the same thing and for a second thought I was in a fever dream 💭

    • @heavensharem5711
      @heavensharem5711 Před měsícem +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 oh no! so im super curious now, where in the rules does it state that the passengers have to have a matching key word? yvraine can legally lead an army with both raiders and 10 wraithguard plus a spiritseer, the raider does have the aeldari keyword, what prevents it from being used in this case?

    • @heavensharem5711
      @heavensharem5711 Před měsícem +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 okay so i do see that in the description if the raider it says “can transport 11 drukhari models” which makes sense, but on my first read feels more like flavor text? like i feel as if they would have said something to the effect of “11 models with the drukhari keyword”. also all drukhari models do have the aeldari keyword but thats a little less salient as its not the same the other way round. idk but if yall are right my homie who runs necrons is gonna be so happy to hear it xD

  • @clidefrog2
    @clidefrog2 Před měsícem +1

    Do you have any specific events that have allowed people to do this?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +2

      Every single event allows this as it’s RAW and goes down to the sequence of combat (Wraithguard’s ability works against everything defined as an attack)

    • @clidefrog2
      @clidefrog2 Před měsícem +1

      Nice one ​@@ProxyHammer1

  • @danielsneap1520
    @danielsneap1520 Před měsícem +1

    What's meant by guiding when he talks about shooting

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      Farseer Skyrunner using guide for hit re-rolls

  • @josesolias
    @josesolias Před měsícem +2

    Wouldn't an opponent simply consolidate into the remaining wraithguard?

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +3

      The Wraithguard attacks are made before consolidating 😉

    • @anselme9493
      @anselme9493 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@ProxyHammer1Actually no. Both effects trigger at the same time. Thus attacker's priority will mean he consolidates first.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +1

      @@anselme9493 unfortunately not in this case, the ability states that it triggers after attacks are resolved. This is discussed in the rules commentary about abilities that interrupt the normal phase sequence. Attackers priority in this situation would be if your opponent had an ability that also triggered immediately after attacks are made just like the Wraithguards.

    • @anselme9493
      @anselme9493 Před měsícem +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 consolidation also triggers after all attacks are made.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      @@anselme9493 Yes true but this is clarified in the rules commentary under the title "just after". Unit and ability rules take priority over the next step in the phase.

  • @criticalcommenter
    @criticalcommenter Před měsícem +1

    Thw shooting while in combat thing clearly isn't what was intended and if a player tried to do something like that ahainst me itd be the last time id play them. I hate that this channel encourages things like that

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem +2

      Almost every “attack after you attack” interaction works like this.
      Are those kinds of interactions intended? Probably not…but then again GW hasn’t fixed it so it is what it is 😐

    • @MarcosGarcia-ot2lt
      @MarcosGarcia-ot2lt Před měsícem +2

      Warhammer is full of random exploits in all armies. GW has looked at wraithguard several times and deemed this rule fine.
      If you want to use house rules then whatever, it's your choice. However if someone uses actual rules (although in this case I would always warn my opponent a few times of their ability, don't want to catch them out) it's a bit childish of you to just pick up your toys and go home

    • @criticalcommenter
      @criticalcommenter Před měsícem +1

      @@MarcosGarcia-ot2lt I would say it's a bit childish to exploit a rule in a way it clearly wasn't intended to be used just to get an advantage in a game of toy soldiers. Most people play casually and this sort of thing isn't very casual

    • @criticalcommenter
      @criticalcommenter Před měsícem +1

      @@ProxyHammer1 But how many videos have you made about not being "that guy"? And then you encourage play like this?
      I guess in a tournament it's fine but for 90% of games which are just casual between friends I wouldn't say picking loopholes in rules is better than taking a meta cheese list which apparently you are against.

    • @ProxyHammer1
      @ProxyHammer1  Před měsícem

      @@criticalcommenter This is definitely not a casual thing to play, in a casual game I would not do this or would warn ahead of time