The ULTIMATE Aeldari Tier List For Pariah Nexus!!-“A Lot Has Changed…”
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- The Pariah Nexus Tier list for the Aeldari has arrived!! Enjoy everyone!!
PS: Sorry ahead of time for the occasional clicking sound in the background of the video I noticed this after tried recording with high noise suppression and same thing. I think it’s time for a new headset!
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Ok guys quick correction Illic Nightspears ability is still 12” I misread the changes it only affects stratagems not abilities so he is still decent, would probably have him in B tier because of it.
Good catch, i was about to ask wtf you talking about 18’
@@juliusadams2726 Def. confused it with the stratagem change
S-tier video quality.
I just wanna mention that this video is one of the most imformarive and well put 40k videos out there.
Absolute shout out to proxy for this video.
Also, i love the love for wraith knights and lords. Yes, they are dope asf, and we wanna run them.
Thank you my friend that is high praise!! I really appreciate you watching and finding it useful! I love the wraithknight and lord honestly! It’s now much more balanced and fun to use as well!
@ProxyHammer1 your more than welcome. Look forward to seeing your channel grow. Get the dice and merch out there already, haha.
@@Vidar-incarnate For sure dude! I'll have to look into the dice!
You and craftworld Eldar have really made me love Eldar more than I already did. Love the content
@@kingpineapple560 Thank you man 😊 glad to have made you love the best faction in the game even more!! More videos to come!
Illych Nightspear is not affected by the nerf. You got that wrong. I did too on first reading. But stratagems were nerfed, not abilities, and Nightspear’s hunter unseen is an ability. His squad cannot be shot outside of 12”
Oh cool that’s great!! Probably a tier higher then!
"Pyotr Illych Nightspear" and his Vodkaweaver rifle...
@@xenosophont Get out of here illic your drunk!
I found having a squad of 10 Dire Avengers with Asurmen in a Wave Serpent supported by a 6man squad of Windriders works really well. If you get first turn then you just dump them out on an objective, if moving second then get the Windriders and Serpent to clear the objective then move Asurmen and company onto the objective
I love the double Overwatch myself!! Works so well into infantry and hordes!
This channel has come a long way. I remember the days before the fall, before the Warp corrupted your subs..
Now you're almost at 5k, put out the most Aeldari content, and made the only teir list I'd actually want to listen to.. Great Job Proxy! Keep it up mane. 🍻
Indeed, it has my friend! That was a crazy time! Love seeing you in the comments too! I'll keep the content coming ;)
I’m just now getting enough models to play and I plan on running multiple phoenix lords, so this makes me very excited! :)
That’s awesome!! Can’t go wrong with most of them now!!
Hey man,
Really liked the shop talk at the end.
Humanises you which is great for us!!
Thank you man for sure! Wanted to give you guys a bit of my thought process and why I appreciate you guys 😉🙏😊 seriously love the community and all the good that comes from it!
I've been waiting for this. Thanks!
Nick it’s my absolute pleasure 🙏😊
In casual games I like to get Eldrad and a squad of warlocks in a falcon. Also Illic's ability is still 12" stealth as the rules only specify 18" for stratagems
I really like that combo too! Feels right!
I rate shining spears a bit higher due to their considerable defenses and the 6 OC. They've stolen objectives from much more dangerous enemies and still provided good shooting into them. If they advance or charge they get a 4++ until your next turn. And a permanent -1 to hit is nice.
Ya they aren’t that bad I find their issue is mostly the way they interact with terrain
I don't know why you pronounce Karandras like KaJandras but every time you say it my Spanish brain hears "Cojones", please never stop XD
A leftover from when I was a kid and barely knew how to pronounce!! My wife says the same thing about my Spanish that the pronunciation is so bad her parents barely understand me lol 😂
Yep, I'm new and I said to myself "Wasn't he Karandras? Well I suppose I misread and he is Kahandras" :D :D :D
@@ProxyHammer1 Nice, it's not easy to speak more than one language, I'm native spanish speaking, from Venezuela, in fact I was thinking how nice it would be to have videos like yours in spanish, even thought about adapting them into writen format in my language in my blog.
@@renelara5339 Thats a really good idea! Would help a lot of people out I would do it myself but my Spanish is middling at best.
@@renelara5339 Nope you were right I'm just silly like that!
I use 1 unit of rangers and a unit of shroud runners as screens . The rangers also make great bait with the move ability. In conjunction with phantasm I have screened multiple units with just them. People who make the mistake of moving up to them first gives me d6 inches right or left towards them and in the way of another one of their units . And if able phantasm behind terrain to disrupt another day
I use them in the exact way! Great tactic for disrupting enemy movement
Great video Proxy, really enjoyed this one!
Thank you man! Always love seeing your comments and hearing what’s new!
@@ProxyHammer1 cheers dude! I was just wondering how you run five man units of Voidreavers? You said you prefer Power Swords, do you go for a Blaster or Shredder on the fifth man, or would that dilute their melee prowess? Corsairs are my next painting project!
@@TBerkery I would def go with the powerswords for the early game damage and a blaster for a bit of ranged power!
@@ProxyHammer1 thanks man 👍
@@TBerkery my pleasure!
For newbies like me i think starting off the Autarch on foot with Guardian Defenders is good choice, as you talked about
The wayleaper feels like a high skill unit, and in my games she just sits at the back and dies on turn 4.
Art of War had a great suggestion for the Wayleaper, if you don't have the points for the phoenix gem. Try fates messenger, with a fate dice, the fusion gun and grenades to put a serious dent in a hard target.
It’s definitely a much easier and cheaper way of using him and I agree that it’s the best way of using the autarch on foot as well!
Walls need to be paperthin if you plan to phantasm through with a 1" roll. Smallest base is 25mm and an inch is 25.4mm
The walls we play with are but I understand that not every setting will have that. In that case you will need a 2+
I like those odds
@@julianhammerton Same here ;)
Irillyth should have precision. Eldrad should be more like Lord Solar. He's a strategist, so 1cp per round, redeploy 3 units at start of round, and a much, much longer indirect Doom. Footseer now has more use now that indirect has been nerfed. Warlocks should have both powers and 30pts max. Its almost midnight here so will watch the rest later.
Agree with all your points!! Eldrad should get his redeployment back!
Haven't watched the whole thing yet but took a peek at the finished list; I liked seeing the Assman at the top of "A" tier. (it's like poetry; it rhymes)
A is for “Ass” my friend!!
..."A" is also for: x.com/ForbiddenWillis/status/1662867388054880257
@@xenosophont uh oh i better click!
LOL aquateen was so funny when i grew up
I’ve got 2 hours of this to go, but I expect to see Wraithknight in S tier, simply because those girls look awesome.
Lol 😂 they do look awesome!!
Autarch with fights first and "extra" overwatch for guardian defenders to guard the backfield while farming cp and fate dice is well worth the points imo.
Branching fates on Eldrad ("A farseer") with bodyguards in midfield AND 3 extra fate dice is good value in some lists. Maybe A tier?
Because of the new way the rule is written in the Errata his ability doesn’t actually work. Seriously…huge mistake by GW but it no longer works as intended
Ya I definitely like that!
@@ProxyHammer1 that sucks. I'll have to watch this in stages but I'm sure I'll have more arguments/questions for you! 😂
@@bbsphotography2187 :D cant wait!!
Great video ! I played my first game of Pariah and it was a deadly game of Eldar v Eldar. The new Secondaries are great for us. The Wayleaper still feels like too much of an investment for me. I wanna try out a normal Autarch with Defenders on the home objective instead my next game.
They absolutely are my friend!! PN will be amazing for us!!
Agree, within 1 category at worst, with all your opinions.
We are of a similar mind my friend!!
Brilliant content as per, been 4:1 at my last 2 GTs whilst trialing out alternative builds without Farseers and just ignoring fate dice. Saving that 100pts for more guns and relying on prisms and voidweavers flat damage to get job done, using the native rr for the reliability.
I am personally really enjoying the foot and bike warlocks - adds a lot of niche abilities which impact the micro game. Plus it does make you look cool when you have to explain all these random units people haven't seen in 10th ed lol
Another big GT in Sheffield next week!
Oh and the Crimson Hunter was fantastic at the last GT! In my mind its 25pts more than a Dcannon, but achieves more damage at a higher range :D
Also to note, with the rise of chaos demons - the Void's flat 4 and multiple 2dmg profiles does actuall chew its way through Bloodcrushers. if you target one unit at a time, you can get through them :D
Dude good luck in the upcoming GT my friend!! I’m really liking the solo warlocks myself too! Especially in pariah nexus
I love the CH!! Great unit imho!! People discount flyers too often but in this meta they are looking better and better
Interesting!! Didn’t even think of bloodcrushers as Windriders seem to chew through them hard! But yes!! Voidweaver has great play into them!
I feel like we are better served doing fixed secondary objectives. With the points increase it’s hard to bring enough unit to do whatever the card deal you. Cause a lot of them will cost you the unit. I am thinking cleanse engage. Behind enemy lines if they have an aggressive melee army.
Yes I think we play a lot better into fixed as well!
It's telling that there isn't a single mainline general purpose dmg-dealer / DPS unit left in the S-tier other than the Windriders and that's the result of the avalanche of nerfs throughout a gorillion "muh balinse" updates. It's like their nerf brakes got stuck and they couldn't stop nerfing this army even at a 47% win rate.
We have never really had a general purpose damage dealer we are an army of specialists but I know what you are saying, Wraithguard imho got nerfed way too hard and need a touch up. That aside win rate gives you a good idea of how competitive a faction it but it’s by no means definitive. The faction is still really capable and strong
Spectres also served the "generalist dmg dealer/firepower" role before finding themselves in the same cost efficiency to DPS dumpster as the Wraithguard (and before that it was the jump infantry/Spiders, before that Hornets etc. the ride that never ends until we don't have any firepower left until the codex apparently...)
@@xenosophont Quins make a great generalist damage dealer as well, good shooting at close range and really strong melee with the right characters
I think it's Ka-RAN-dras ;) Sweet vid tho, plenty to think about!
I need to work on that!
1:55:05 the sweep is actually 2 damage, which is incredibly useful against even space marines or other two wound light to medium infantry.
Overall I think they are swingy but even still absolutely worth running one or even a few at their new reduced point cost.
Totally agree! I absolutely love Wraithlords at their new cost!
I feel like wraithguard with spiritseer in wave serpent is a great way to take and hold a no man's land objective AND tie up an equivalent amount of enemy points. But it is a lot of points!
It definitely can be good if supported correctly!
HE SAID IT!!!
Yes!!! 😉
I enjoy using Maugen Ra and a death jester out of a falcon in my crusade games.
@@kevinishki sounds like a really fun combo! Crusade is a whole different beast!
Absolute castle wall of text incoming:
Love these tier lists! I will however point out where I think you're a bit off xD As per usual I think you're a bit optimistic on some of these. Assuming S rank being (almost) an auto-include in competitive lists, A to pop up often in those lists. I'll say that B is for those eyebrow raisers that you see in strong tournament lists sometimes that you wouldn't expect being there, C just being kinda bad and D are the unmentionables. There's a few things I'll happily take your word on, as I don't own them myself, or don't feel like I have the insight to rate for competitiveness.
Just going to mention Karandras and Scorpions real quick. I think you put them in the right spot, but it's not a certainty yet that they'll be deemed as good as I think he is by the pros. I think Karandras was great at 100, now he's downright phenomenal, and the Scorpions at 65 pts are a great roadblock if going second, with the potential for SO much more if going first.
I think I'd put the Avatar on the high A-tier. He hasn't been a staple in a long time, and saw no changes. I think S is too high. He's great, and will see a lot of play in tournaments still, but not the cream of the crop.
The Solitaire I also don't see popping up that often in the top lists. He is the definition of a glass cannon, and unless played almost to perfection does have the potential to be an overwatch or an opponent's cheeky maneuver away from being shot down and having done nothing. When he pops he pops off hard though, and deserves the S in such cases, but I think low to mid A is a lot more realistic of a rank for him.
DJ, also not been a staple for a while. Has that "always the bridesmaid, never the bride" issue where I hear a lot of pros say they start lists with him in it, but is very often the guy that gets cut so that something else can fill a role that needs filling. I'd put him right around the Solitaire. Great by any standard, but not an auto-pick.
Fire Dragons... bit of an inexplicable points increase they got the last time round. I don't rate these at S. As a package deal with Fuegan in a Falcon maybe, but rating one unit for the one package deal they shine in, I dunno? S feels more like something you'd always want to run by themselves, and the Dragons are not that. Low A seems a more fitting placing for them.
Storm Guardians!! Oh man, I wish I had corsairs so I could test more battleline stuff. These are pretty much the only ones I run almost every time personally. I think they're an A tier unit. For their cost they bring great damage and versatility, but you have to admit that these are not staple competitive units xD
Troupe: These are another one of those S as a (one specific) package, but lower by themselves kind of thing. I think what brings me down for these is that they're simply not good enough for mono quins. I adore mono quins, but troupe need too much help from outside the quins line to make that archetype a thing. With a Master and a Falcon they're good. With Yvraine and the Visarch they are preposterously strong when played well. By themselves I'd put them at low C though. Going for somewhere in the middle and calling them a B seems fair.
I also don't think Shroud Runners are a staple. They are great, but not that great. A for me.
I think Asurmen went from pretty bad to kind of alright with the new points. The only unit he can join still sucks IMO though. More on that later. I think he used to be a C, and jumped up to a B. Very playable, but I don't see him making it to successful tournament lists.
Purely personal opinion, based mostly on my own incompetence, but I dislike the Yncarne. I watched him pop off before his big rules change, tried him out then and never got him to shine. Now he can't even do his thing anymore, before I could learn how to, so my very biased and unrealistic take on him is low B (:
I don't think the options for ignore cover or stealth on windriders would put the Warlock Skyrunner in A, personally. I think he's alright, but not something which, as per your words, will pop up in a lot of competitive lists. High-mid B seems a good place. Absolutely love taking him along, but for the points I can see top lists having better options.
I just don't really like the Wraithlord's 4+ to hit. It sucks that the only mitigation we have for that is tacking on a character that makes him so much more susceptible to all kinds of damage he was impervious to before. I want the old "If a seer is within x amount on inches, +1 to hit" rule back. Spiritseers work for the smaller wraiths, not for this one. 145 points means he's gone from low C to low B for me. Playable, but only when the mood strikes me.
The sole Warlock is an interesting one. As a 1-of I'd bump this guy from B to A to be honest, right next to where I just put my Storm Guardians. These 2 together, I think might become the go-to Aeldari battleline. Auto 6 advance on this unit makes them deceptively quick. All the SG weapons have Assault as well. Add a fire and fade in the lategame for a grand total 20" move and they'd combo fantastically with an Autarch Wayleaper for Command Insertion.
Dire Avengers... just blow man xD The fact that their damage competitors got a bit worse doesn't make them better imo. Pea shooters made of wet paper. Are a waste of a Falcon/Wave Serpent when you want to protect them, die too easily if you don't protect them at all. You need to be able to kill stuff with that overwatch if you want these to do the thing their rules are written for, which is be on objectives, but they simply can't. Looow low C is the highest I'd give them, in the off chance you're not fighting MEQ they'll do good.
Both small Wraiths I'm a bit lukewarm on. I'll accept the B rank, but part of me wants to put them in C for their cost. Especially the Wraithblades.
Lastly, Maugan Ra has no right to be as bad as he is. Everyone please just keep putting him in D till GW realizes he needs more than points cuts.
Ya for sure dude I can see your points! I love the warlock 20” move thing! Might be actually really good on a unit of defenders too to score on war of attrition
@@ProxyHammer1 Defenders and Storm Guardians would both be pretty good at that one with 20" of movement to get there. Plus, killing your opponent's battleline is something you can do very inconspicuously throughout the game.
@@maxmagnus377 Absolutely agree!!
Fyi titanic units in competitive cannot see or be seen behind ruins unless they are aircraft or touching said ruins
They are also towering though so can be seen right? Am I wrong on that? I know they don’t ignore Los though
Probably all aeldari players would agree, gw creating that awsome model maugan ra, and not giving him better points or efficiency to where people play him more often is a crime
It’s an absolute crime!!
What about running him as a fancy Death Jester?
Maugan Ra really wants to be run in a unit of Reapers. A big unit of ten out of a Wave Serpent.
Making them hit on two's, they then wound marine equivalents on two's.
When the Reapers have taken out more than half of the target, Maugan finishes it off, re-rolling all hits and wounds.
The trouble is, this combination costs 405 points...
It might be viable to drop the Serpent now indirect has been nerfed but,
I still don't think it's worth it unless you're playing casually.
@@davidfeline5850 Ya agreed, although remember that all attacks happen at the same time technically for hitting and wounding so Maugan Ra will not benefit from his ability in the way you initially described. It's a casual build but fun!
@@mannilegends5287 Could work!! issue is his base size is like 3 times as big!
Isn't the hemlock good in killing infantry? like almost all vehicles have Dsth damage which does not spread. (same with warp hunter). Pls correct me if im wrong
It should be good at killing infantry but in reality it actually does very little damage 😔
Warp spiders and Stormies where they belong!!
Of course!! Did you expect different than ishas honest truth?? 😂
@@ProxyHammer1 they’ll keep nerfing spiders and I’ll keep taking 3 squads lmao
@@Xileph_0_o lmfao! they are that good!
Nice video.
Now the Falcon make tank shock with 9 dices not 6. So best Eldar tank ever ! 🎉
I played the Vyper last game and wtf it was so good to bring ignore cover to my wind riders and fire prism ! Next time I will play two vypers. One with bright lance and the other one with star canon. It's clearly a good support unit depending on your list !
I wanted to invest in two lynx to switch with my two fire prisms but... Do you think that all Forge World units will be in the dodo way and become legend units ?
Thank you for your videos. Always interesting opinion on our faction.
All forge world units will go to legends I think that’s almost a fact. Except for the Titans which will stay. Honestly lynxes are expensive and probably not worth buying if you don’t already have
@@ProxyHammer1 sadness... The wraithseer was one of my favorite model when I started to play In second edition... I had one two months ago... It will be a good proxy for a wraithlord 😉.
I was thinking to buy one knight Skatach and two lynx... But no. Ok. It's sad, they are nice models.
But it's a lot of money just to keep them on a shelv.
@@ProxyHammer1Unfortunately Proxy is right on this one. At the moment there's no reason to buy Forgeworld models like the Lynx or a Skathach Wraith Knight, unless you want to paint them for your collection.
The Lynx is great, I really hope it stays, but I have found, by sheer dumb luck, a pair of Fire Prisms to replace my two Lynxes.
I bought a Skathach Wraith Knight with Death Shroud Cannons, because it's cool, I also bought a Wraith Seer because it's cool and, I want them for my collection.
But if you can't play it and, you're not mad on painting things for a display case. Spend your hard earned cash on something which is certain to be available for display AND play.
@@MrThepatriot30 Ya wraithseer is an easy and epic proxy
Relatively new, but am I missing something with you saying Jain Zar and Banshees in deep strike, I can't see deep strike on the data sheets?
Lol I’m a complete fool!! I meant if they were in a Falcon in deep strike for rapid ingress lol 😂
Not at all, this has helped me loads @ProxyHammer1
I'm not really sure how one can even play a Scorpion or a Cobra on your average GW/WTC table, even more so in Pariah. Does it just stay in its deployment square and tries to make up as much shooting as it can before being tagged in melee ?
Also heads up, basic Corsairs are 70, not 75 points
They are tough to position that’s for sure but with free pivots it becomes much easier I think
Okay maybe my game store has always played wrong. But i swear i never thought pivoting was such a big issue😂 we've always just moved lol
That’s how I would prefer to play honestly, it’s way easier that way
Hey,proxy
wana know your thougts about the D-cannons
are they still needed ?
@@user-vx7ie9et4l i personally don’t like them all that much now and do g think they are anywhere near the auto include they were before. Definitely do t think they are needed with how the meta has shifted
As a person that has collected specifically Harlequins for a while now... Is it almost my time to shine or still no?
Yes it is my friend!! They are looking very good!
so my sister banshee can be good now ? i love them and dead reaper too
Banshees can indeed be extremely useful!!
@@ProxyHammer1 thank isha
Hello, I don't think it's enough to increase the tier but yriel gives +1 oc to the unit. Having a unit of corsairs or storm guardians with 30 oc and him being the warlord could give you the secret mission almost 100% safe if you manage to get there with a wave serpent. That yvraine is tender is not shared by a unit that opens ynari, which It enhances units like Harlequin Corsairs or Storm Guardians, giving them feel no pain and reviving models, which in shooting have devastating wounds just like in combat, just because they have increased their points a little, it doesn't seem to me that it isn't an auto include, especially in lists where you don't need it. or you want to the wayleaper for the extra cp. Even if the Visarch is good, I would leave him alone because he doesn't open up as many options as Yvraine. what do you think? I also think that a unit in Yvraine's wave serpent with any harlequins or storm guardians can give you the secret mission if you play carefully the beginning of the battle and then with the durability it gives to the unit. It is true that a secret mission does not justify what I am saying but everything it offers cannot be offered by, for example, Karandras. greetings proxy good job
I definitely agree with most your points the only issue I see with Yriel is his abilities really don’t have that many applications with the units he can join. Now if he could join wraith units he would be much better imho. Even so I still like corsairs just think that they are a bit too expensive. Yvraine is super good but does not grant fights first which I think is huge this expansion. Basically my thinking is the visarch is good in a small Quin unit or a big one with yvraine but should not be used as a “replacement “ for yvraine if that makes sense
Why does your friend get to pivot when coming out of deep strike? Rules as written they need to be outside 9” and counts as a normal move.
Yes in the movement phase you are correct, but in the charge phase the pivot is also free so he can pivot on the spot when he rolls charge distance. That’s how it’s being played in tournaments which is why Dark Eldar have a 57% winrate right now
I wonder if Storm Guardians are still S tier? 😂
Do you have to ask?? 😂
@proxyHammer Not that it changes the math but phantoms only 2100 so can be played in 3k games :)
Oh shoot!! Super cool no clue why I was thinking 3500!!
@@ProxyHammer1 think one of the imperials titans is 3.5k :)
@@phoenixofdartmouth Ahh of course my friend was talking about buying one the other day and it was on my mind no wonder!
As a new player who doesn't have that much experience I really wish you had time stamped each unit or provided a written list at least. Some of the Icons I can't really tell what they are (I can't see the Yncarne for example). Hate me if you must, but I really don't have time to watch a 2 hour video in order to extract the info I'd like to know about the models that I have. Don't get me wrong, I'm certain there is some really useful info in here.
@@Mystical_Socrates dude I totally understand and don’t hate you at all! I’m unfamiliar with time stamps but I’ll look into putting them in videos like these in the future!
@@ProxyHammer1 Much appreciated!
scorpion is S tier, and also much better than the cobra!
Idk man I think they are both good!
Just a reminder archons don't stack the debuff
@@4kodiak4 Good to know!! Thank goodness, I’ve heard some people in my group mentioning it and I assumed…wrongly thank Isha!
The math does not support Karandras and Scorps killing 5 Terminators.
They have Falcon support for full wound rerolls. They get pretty damn close to killing the whole unit.
I killed gahzkul with Karandras today. He went through a mega knob, makari and ghaz. Though my opponent rolled terribly
@@scottpeoples Last sentence is the operative part. Theoretically, Karandras can do 20 Dev wounds if you roll perfectly. I'm talking about average rolls for both you and your opponent.
With average rolls, Karandras + 5 Scorps + Rerolling Wounds fails to kill 5 Terminators.
@@johngalt200 Interesting guess I rolled better than average on my dev wounds!
@@johngalt200 So I did the math on unit crunch without accounting for Karandras 4+ Sustained (just counted it as 6+) with +1 to hit, sustained, devs, and rerolls to wound (not even counting for shooting) and you get on average 4 kills. Accounting for the 4+ sustained, shooting, and the falcons shots (maybe just shuriken cannon or pulse laser) you are definitely in range to kill 5 termies. Which means they trade significantly up against terminators
I laugh and say "seriously" when I see the obviously comedic titles. on the offensive bit, some are very sexualized
I mean it’s just Lelith being Lelith 😉
@@ProxyHammer1 and to Yvraine. I just find them a bit tasteless, wont stop you just dont like them