'The Folded 4 Train' - 1991 Union Square Derailment | Tales From the NYC Subway
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- Welcome to the first of many videos in my new 'Tales From the Subway' series. To start off, I'm gonna be talking about the Union Square Derailment of 1991.
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If your train overshoots the station, you know it's time for you to get off xD
Or moving crazy fast
No you mean it’s Time to PULL THE EMERGENCY BRAKE!!!!!.
@@GABRIELADAWSON That too
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I responded to this incident, it was an insane night and days to follow. Wood timbers were placed underground just to support the subway tunnel envelope.
Wow. Thanks for your service. That's wild.
Yes I agree.
You know where the location was by google maps?
Definitely a series on NYC transit incidents is a must! The Times Square wreck, Malbone Street wreck, Williamsburg Bridge wreck, even those incidents with foreign objects touching the 3rd rail causing fires at nearby stations (which may or may not be able to fit in one video). This was a STELLAR breakdown!
Glad you enjoyed this video, and I look forward to making more of these in the future. I'm not sure if I can do a video on things that caused Third-Rail fires, but I definitely can make videos like the 'Suicide Curve' at 110 St on the Ninth Avenue El, or the Times Square Wreck.
@@MysticTransit bruhhhhhh
Remember the conductor who beheaded himself?
@@MysticTransit this is actually pretty good its true to the point that my dad heard about this and he was born in 66 so he was still young in 1991
but he is 56 or 57 now and he is still alive
I remembered this derailment. I lived along the 4 train ROW at Mt. Eden. "Fatal Four" was the nickname some teens used to describe the 4 train after this derailment.
Wow, interesting name for it.
I was there as a crane operator for MTA transit .I saw the train as it came to test. Looked like a plane crash in a cave. I was surprised with all the damage we had the trains running in 2 weeks time.
i can't imagine how much a crane operator for mta makes
Do you mean you had eyes on the train as the accident occurred or that you saw the train as it was once the accident had completed?
I wasn't there at the time of the accident, but within hours after
I was there as a crane operator for MTA transit .I saw the train as it came to test. Looked like a plane crash in a cave. I was surprised with all the damage we had the trains running in 2 weeks time
I lived just off Union Square at the time. The middle of that night I was briefly awakened by the sound of sirens, most likely from ambulances at the accident scene. I fell right back to sleep and didn't learn about the disaster until the following morning.
I probably would have woken up to the sirens if I lived there at the time. It was a tragic accident for sure.
A very good and sensitive video. I hope to see more "Tales from the Subway", starting maybe with the Times Square derailment as you mentioned, or perhaps the 1995 Williamsburg Bridge crash.
The road above dipping by half an inch as a result of the crash is frightening, that really shows you just how powerful that crash must’ve been
Thank you very much for posting this. The reporting and description of the 1991 incident was very well reported. The announcer here spoke eloquently and provided all of the sequential facts of the incident. Even though I no longer live in New York I remember this when I was in high school and it was all over the news and I was amazed to see how mangled those trains were as a result of the impact of that accident. I often wonder why that motorman was permitted to operate a train considering he was in questionable condition? If you are operating Transit equipment you really should be tested and checked before you operate. Safety is paramount!
The Lexington Ave line from 42 St - Bowling Green is literally about 10-15 feet below street level.
The 1904 tunnels were test experiment tunnels that have thin roofs above directly on street level.
14 St Union Square tunnel on 456 are literally right below the street.
@@historyisthebestmyfans2094 The Lexington Ave line from 42 St - Bowling Green is literally about 10-15 feet below street level.
The 1904 tunnels were test experiment tunnels that have thin roofs above directly on street level.
14 St Union Square tunnel on 456 are literally right below the street
Ok understand, the dispatcher should have done his job and NOT let the operator sign in. The operator could have called out sick. The conductor should have pulled the emergency cord after the first station overrun and taken the train out of service. The conductor also should have walked up to the operator and asked him what's wrong? Both of their jobs are at stake. If the conductor takes proper action, the train doesn't continue in passenger service.
They weren't trying not to delay service.
@@blue9multimediagroup and instead delayed the services for two weeks………great call.
This accident would never have happened if the dispatcher had sent the motorman home. A typical example of not wanting to rock the boat so a fellow transit worker wouldn't get in trouble. The people who were killed and injured paid a big price.
The 1918 crash as well?
He was tired
I had gotten a phone call that morning from a motor instructor (now TSS) friend of mine telling me what happened. When I reported to the Dyre Avenue terminal, my conductor and I were told all crews will be under intense scrutiny because of this. We ended up doing 6 shuttles to E. 180th Street that day. That incident changed EVERYTHING at TA, and made random drug testing federal law for all railroad and transit employees.
Wow. This accident, along with the one in 1995 really changed a lot.
Fucked it up for all the bud smokers
@@ephraimcampos5232 Yeah. Nothing says safety like a stoner or wake-and-baker running a subway train! 😂😂😆
@@OneAdam12Adam everything would be in slow motion lol less B.I.E. Or signal flash
As is often said...those rules are written in blood. In this case, they're in the blood of the five customers who died and the motorman of that J train who died.
I wonder if the supervisor was also fired. Ray had shown up in tennis shoes, instead of rubberized boots, in addition to being drunk. While off-duty, Steven Darden could have also pulled the brake (he was riding the train back home and was still on board when disaster finally hit).
You should do an episode based on the March 2020 fire at CPN - 110th Street on the 2 train. I always find it very sad and scary as hell. Imagine leaving work at 3am in Manhattan very tired, getting on a Bronx bound 2 train and dozing off then suddenly the train is on fire and your life's in danger
Imagine being the train operator who went to work and didn’t make it home to his wife and kids.
@@spectator7186 Its fucking devastating
@@josephnyy86 I work for transit (Train Operator) I knew him, a very good man. It’s a sad situation. Hopefully the man who purposely started the fire is held accountable.
Heck, this is right at the beginning of the pandemic.
Yes
My neighbor perished in this accident. Her young son was devastated 😢
Tales from the Subway seems like a GREAT idea. Similar to another famous series TALES FROM THE TUBE, NYC would now get its own TALES series. Way to go!
Thank you very much for posting this. The reporting and description of the 1991 incident was very well reported. The announcer here spoke eloquently and provided all of the sequential facts of the incident. Even though I no longer live in New York I remember this when I was in high school and it was all over the news and I was amazed to see how mangled those trains were as a result of the impact of that accident. I often wonder why that motorman was permitted to operate a train considering he was in questionable condition? If you are operating Transit equipment you really should be tested and checked before you operate. Safety is paramount!
Thank you very much for posting this. The reporting and description of the 1991 incident was very well reported. The announcer here spoke eloquently and provided all of the sequential facts of the incident. Even though I no longer live in New York I remember this when I was in high school and it was all over the news and I was amazed to see how mangled those trains were as a result of the impact of that accident. I often wonder why that motorman was permitted to operate a train considering he was in questionable condition? If you are operating Transit equipment you really should be tested and checked before you operate. Safety is paramount!
Thank you very much for posting this. The reporting and description of the 1991 incident was very well reported. The announcer here spoke eloquently and provided all of the sequential facts of the incident. Even though I no longer live in New York I remember this when I was in high school and it was all over the news and I was amazed to see how mangled those trains were as a result of the impact of that accident. I often wonder why that motorman was permitted to operate a train considering he was in questionable condition? If you are operating Transit equipment you really should be tested and checked before you operate. Safety is paramount!
Thanx for the video bruh. I was about 11 years old when this situation happened. It was a horrible story and situation. I now work for the NYC subway system, and this incident is still talked about to this day is training classes. This guy single handedly changed the railroad of the NYC subway system.
Singlehandedly brought us the timer signals.
How can I apply
Your voice kills it you made the video way more eerie then the other youtubers who talked about train wrecks and I love it
lol, I tried to make it more interesting by using a deeper voice to demonstrate the seriousness of this wreck. That's also the reason why I didn't add music to the video, I felt like it would kill the vibe.
@@MysticTransit A no-nonsese, well detailed, straight forward narration. Excellent!
I was in prison with the train driver and some of the younger cons would mess with him out on the yard by screaming the line from "Ghost" : "Get off my train!" If you ever see the movie the ghost that screams at Patrick Swayze looks just like the driver of the train. Life is truly strange sometimes...
I appreciate this video man, it brought me back to my childhood. I remember this incident, many people get a piece of NYC through the story's which are told by others. Good narrating skills, hope to see you doing it on a huge network soon
Peace ✌
My Dad was one of the Officers that Arrested him at his Home.
My dad too what a small world
I remember this derailment in the news very well. Just glad I wasn't there to witness it. I think this would be a great series, and would like to see more of them.
Like how he is well informed and give in depth details of what actually happened,also giving video footage 👍
Yes… please make more. Very interesting.
Condolences to those lost during this incident 🙏🏽
Young Brother there is more to this story than you will ever know !!! Trust & Believe . Just remember you can't judge a book by it's cover.
NO. YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE A COMMENT LIKE THAT WITHOUT DETAILS. YOU'RE REALLY SUSPECT NOW.
This was a great video and you should definitely continue this series. Maybe you could talk about the 1984 NYC subway shooting.
Ooh, I've never heard of that one. I'm glad you enjoyed the video though.
@@MysticTransit He's referring to the Bernard Goetz 1984 subway shooting. Several African American males approached him with the intent of robbery. He takes out his gun and shoots them all. He shot one of them multiple times and made the famous quote of "You don't look so good, here's another." Remember it as if it were yesterday
I'm so glad this popped up on my feed! Thank you for sharing this story and more. I look forward to future stories! Great job!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yes 👍 this is very good “Tails of the New Yorkers City Trains” this is also very educational and you have the voice for it🙂the dangers of elections and trying to jump over tracks and stories of the employees, very good very good looking forward to it
Thanks man since I was 1 I was in love with the MTA I knew that the crash happened but I did not know why so thank you for telling.
Nice video.. an actually the worse Train crash was the 1918 Malbone street wreck..
Tales from the Subway would be great. Never knew the detail of the street subsiding 1/2"
Excellent detailed history video. I was 13 at the time of the accident. I will be 44 on 04/15/2022. The R62 cars will be replaced by R262 cars in 2024-2025
yes! please keep making these videos.. i watch a lot of train derailment videos just to see mistakes people make during this tragic events.
Great video! I enjoyed you covering this accident in detail since I was only 14 when it happened. I always assumed it was drugs. Definitely make this a series, I love subway stories. 😅
It was a different city then. Around that time, on New Year's at strike of mirnight, the MTA raised the fare with NOOOO announcement whatsoever.
St Vincent's was still open too. If it happened today, all 116 casualties would be flooding Bellevue's emergency department.
I remembered that! Thank you for the reminder! Please proceed (with caution and safety) with the new series!
Great video. Can't wait for more tales from the subway!
Love New Yorkers who share interesting things about the City.
Definitely enjoyed this telling. Thank you!
Robert Ray was killed when he was struck by a car while crossing Grand Concourse on May 28, 2015 at 8:45 PM
I remember this incident... Now, I know the details. Truly sad... thanks for sharing!
RIP uncle Jimmy (Jimmy Robles)
Very sad what happened.
Karma played its course.
The train operator was hit by a car walking down the street by a drunk driver.
Oh man that sucks to hear.
He wasn’t killed, but he was seriously injured. Hit and run. He was drunk again crossing the street.
Wow, this was amazing. You need to make this a series!!
Oh, I definitely will!
This is a thorough straight forward video. Good job man. Definitely continue the series. Subscribing.
definatley make this series. you should do an episode on the 1918 Malbone street wreck. and maybe an episode on Bernie Goetz too.
I'll definitely do the 1918 Wreck, however, not soon. The next video is the 1995 Williamsburg Bridge Collision (yeah, another video in the 90's - it's very interesting though). Never heard of Bernie Goetz though, I'm going to have to research that a bit and see if it's suitable for a video.
You have to do one on the Malbone St. wreck. It was so infamous that the city changed the street name from Malbone to Empire.
Eventually, I will.
Prospect Park
@@Railoffroader2 that's the station after the curve. The street that crosses the tunnel at the Portal was renamed from Malbone St to Empire Blvd.
@@blue9multimediagroup
I was merely mentioning what current station is close to the wreck location.
I did an subway-themed escape room for my birthday a few years ago, and it said something about this accident. Thank you for explaining more about it
O my god this is my first time hearing about this wow damn I’m shock.thanks for the video my condolences goes out to all them people 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Definitely more tales from the subway!
What an amazing videos back in the day,
Very well done,
Excellent video! You might want to try looking up some of the stories from the books available at the New York Transit Museum.
I remember this incident. Great video! Definitely make a series.
Will do!
I have a friend who use to work for transit he was working the 5 way radio that day. I saw the scene in person.
enjoyed your tale about the #4 derailment. I would have liked if you were at the 14th street station and not 138, it would have made the story better.. Also like to see video of the pocket track and the diamond crossover.. Great job sort and to the point.. I am a professional filmaker, hope the crituque did not insult you
Very interesting...i enjoyed it. Keep up the good work...
the name “the folded 4 train” had me giggling thinking it got its ass beat 💀💀
This is chilling
Great informative story. Looking foto more subway stories.
HOLY SHIT- the editing is fire 🔥 !
Glad you think so! I really put a lot of time and effort into this video.
I can see that! Keep up the Great work!
I really liked and enjoyed your video Ive always wanted to find out details of
that tragic crash that resulted in a few deaths and many injured u explained it extremely well moment by moment leading to the crash and what followed after that I hope u put out the details about the 1929 times Square crash ive always wanted to know details about that one as well keep it up you were great im a die hard subway rider since I was 2 yrs old still use the subway today
🙂👍
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! I definitely will be creating a video for the 1929 Crash, however, it is not the next video. The next video in this series will be on the 1995 Williamsburg Bridge Collision.
great piece man!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Can't wait for more Video's from this Series.
Glad you are excited to see future videos in this series!
Great video!!!
I remember this very well. Fortunately, wasn’t there, but when the conductor’s condition became known, I made it a fast rule to always get off any train that overruns or driving seems erratic. Better late than injured or deceased.
I remember this on the news
God!! I remembered this taking place..
Very good. Follow some of you chroniclers. I'm a retired NYC subway conductor(1983-2013), and TWU rep(1999-2001), any questions you may have, let me know. My fave equipment was the R-38(RIP)
I was a kid when this happened, I remember it was a mess.
Yes that was a hot mess
Good job Ray👏👏
You dope
Great video! I ride the 4 train all the time and didn't know this story.
Glad you enjoyed it!
3:06 reminds me of the “knowing” train crash
I just got off the 6 train 3 minutes before the this incident took place!!
welp its bout to be the 31st anniversary of that crash
RIP
I remember the morning rush was a mess, I was in midtown and didn't know anything had occurred. Traffic was a mess, obviously no subway service on the lines, all the while I had no idea anything occurred...
YES PLEASE MAKE MORE VIDEOS ABOUT TALES OF THE SUBWAYS
I'd like to see a series about tales from the subway. I've heard about this story before but not in such detail. Thanks
All New Yorkers. Watch this video and cherish your family and the life you live. Because one day you may be a victim of this kind of disaster.
Video was excellently done! Instead of showing random stock and unrelated content during the narration, you showed relevant footage (shot by you?) of similar trains and locations. Five Stars: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 🙂
Yes, all of the footage in this video was shot by me. The pictures are from various sources (found throughout the video). I tried to put in all of the rolling stock that was similar to the ones involved in the crash, and not just some random, newer train.
Love the channel, keep it up. You should do the williamsburg bridge
Definitely will! That's actually the next video in this series.
Yes the same derailment, where 23 responders including one Officer Moira Smith(RIP), was taken to Hospital for smoke inhalation.
Please make more of these videos!
Mystic,
If his blood alcohol has to be 0.10 at the New York State in 1991, the hypothesis is that the engineer of the 4 train has doubled the legal limit which it is leading to a DWI charge and counts of murder for leaving the station. [6:00]
I’m so glad to hear you’re having such 😢😊
Very interesting, yes make series
I remember this
Man you did a great job with this story and video please do more.
I'm glad you think so! Already working on the next video in this series!
@@MysticTransit 💯💯💙💢💥👉🙏💪
Please continue the series.
I believe there was a derailment on a Bronx bound D train leaving Columbus Circle during Afternoon Drive Home (an idiot pulled the emergency stop cord & brakes on one car locked up) causing major damage to train & tunnel + the platform was so full, people were falling on the tracks & having body parts cut off. Do you have this (somewhere in the mid 70's) ?
I am from the u.k (London) I would love to see anything about your subway…stations..booking halls & even views from the streets of entrances.
What you can do is make a series from the first accident to the latest one like this one.
I was reading an old daredevil comic and the first page was talking about New York tragedies this was one of them..
so sad
I remember that.. it was so sad.
I really enjoyed it please do tales from the subway.
Omg I take subways at union sq all the time since 2016 when I visit nyc every month never knew this happened!!
6:53 - What was the purpose of a *pocket track* at the *Union Square Station* ? How did that operate?
Please make this a series!!!!
Already in the process of doing so!
Welcome to High Speed Subway
That day that happend i was going to the beach with my family n it was all over the tv i remember it very well
That’s terrifying. I ride at least once a week to go to my church, coming from Long Island. How do I learn to use the E break?
This is actually the most serious accident happen like I never seen a train accident worse than others.
I’m a retired bus MABSTOA bus operator and the Union Square Derailment was a terrible accident
I remember this incident big time! I was like a Junior in High School just before my Senior Year. I had a job in Midtown on 23rd Street and Park Ave. The Lexington Ave line was shut down for awhile. I had to take the 7th Ave line instead and walk across, which was a little inconvenience because this was before the Metro Card came out, so there was no free transfer between Subway and Bus. This dude was HIGH as a Kite!! SMDH 🤦♂️🤷♂️🤬