NYC’s New Weapon Against Out of Control Subway Crime!
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- čas přidán 28. 12. 2023
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Why are all the 'improvements' for the subway always about collecting fare. Just make the system free and fund it with a minimal tax on people driving into the city.
I can't imagine anybody willing to risk getting a $500 fine just to avoid a two-dollar and fifty cents who can't afford $2.50 you'd have to be really down and out to not afford that
@@1revjay, that's not going to happen in (North) America, ever (it's not really happening in Europe or Scandinavia, either.)
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@@Neville60001 I'm not sure you're qualified to make that judgment.
Such a stark contrast to Japan’s and Taiwan’s systems where no doors or turnstiles exist. Just open pathways with ticket verification that relies only on the integrity of its society.
A more superior society
Yes indeed, but as you say their Society, unlike in the US, still has "integrity". And now the huge influx of illegal and legal migrants can only make things worse.
that's the problem in America, they have no integrity and believe society owes them. I live NYC and I'm from NYC. People have no respect and they feel entitled.
@@thenotoriousgryyn342 East Asian cultures are very different from what we have in US Murica.
People can also afford to ride public transit in those countries. Apple store oranges.
#1 problem is no enforcement of existing laws. I'm at the 4/5/6 stop on 125th and Lexington frequently and even with 6 cops standing there people go in the exit doors. The cops just watch. I've actually seen a cop open the door and let people go without paying
Jamaica Queens, that's more norm than exception. Well dressed, middle aged men and women walk through the emergency gate. Since the protests in 2020, it's become almost and ideological view that they don't have to pay. And the city itself fed into that during DeBlasio.
That's a good cop right there😂One of us. With all the problems in the subway it should free anywayzzz😂
@@dboynyc9487 That's most of there discretion and a lot of them don't stop nobody because it's more important to just get Paided ur Yearly $58,000 which in pay check its under 3,500 every two weeks something like that. Instead of getting a beat down or the happen to get the gun 🔫 pulled and be on the termination chopping block eventually. And NYPD still doesn't have a good PBA at all he's just even terrible as the last one. He definitely can't fight for better pay increase and the officer's union for cutting that overtime down now that the budget cuts are here.
You're exactly right, Technology us not the solution to this crisis. It will only force fare evaders to adapt their methods rather than change behavior. Ever since DeBlasio announced :soft policing" and Adams didn't forcibly reverse this policy people have gotten used to jumping the fare on the daily with zero consequences. Also I don't think the unarmed security guards have either the authority nor will to physically stop anyone.
@@dboynyc9487 You’re a mindless scumbag
No way that dude did the piggybacking right as you were saying it 😂😂 that was too perfect !
Set up
@@ImsunaSong-gw2gs Yeah, that dude totally looks like the type of person that would hang out with Jon. LOL.
@@thomasdemoor874 people have surprising friends OR will do anything for money 😂
They should implement a system like in London, where they have scanned barriers on both entry and exit. That would increase the chances of catching fare evaders, as they would need to pass through the barrier on exit as well.
The barriers on the tube also close lightning fast and with force (they're padded). If someone tries to push through an alarm goes off. It's not rocket science!
its really not rocket science! @@sbo3784
Sounds like a lot of improvement over the last 26 years.
When I went to school you could walk right into the underground, and right out, at Ealing Broadway. Only during peak times like after school, would someone stand and look for people in mass to flip out their zone passes.
My last year of school there in 1997-8, Clapham Junction added barriers, and Ealing was planning to put them in. But they were fairly basic.
Wont help at all. They jump turnstalls in front of security guards. People just don't give any Fs. They will jump the entrance and the exit, problem solved.
There needs to be a willingness to actually arrest people. Not just enforce fares but enforce morality. Right now, catching fare dodgers isn't a problem AT ALL. There are youtubers who just film newyork subways and count the number of fare dodgers. Catching them is EZPZ, the problem is nobody does anything.
The London Underground is a very expensive system to run and they make sure they make everyone pay. Big Brother is watching every passengers as soon as you get to the station.
The problem is there are no consequences, nor enforcements. Having unarmed guards by the emergency exists don’t do anything. People are jumping/crawling right next to them and they don’t even blink. I ask myself why I have to pay the fare every single day seeing all these happening. Even worse, do you think their kids (even mine) would be paying since they see all these happening every single day and all the time?
Here in Switzerland they do random checks on trams. A lot. At some stop there's guys with like 10 cops and they block all the exits and transit employees walk through and check everyone's ticket. Ans cops here don't mess around, it can go real bad real quick for you. Fine is 100. If they catch you a 2nd time it's 150 and the third time they will press charges. Virtually everyone buys tickets here.
Welcome to the Democrat Party ! New York City and state is run by the Democrat Party. This party is not so keen on the whole law and order thing, unless it involves people protecting themselves against criminals. That is definitely prosecuted.
@@mysterioanonymous3206 whole lot easier in a homogenous society like Switzerland where people generally buy tickets anyway. Not the case with USA or NYC who keeps on importing third world
@@JitzyJT US has 15% foreigners. Switzerland has 25% (most anywhere in the west together with Australia), with 60% of residents with immigration background. We have way more immigration than US. Way more than any EU nation.
Dear Grace: We love the Lord to handle injustice and unfairness.
Keep on teaching your kids to do what's right in any situation.
Don't succumb to psychological peer pressure.
I agree that the judicial system plays catch and release with no consequences.
The guy who said "NY City is so far behind" echoed my thoughts about the city. I visited NY earlier this year for the first time from the UK. I live rurally and am no fan of London but after seeing NY my opinion of London is much much higher. I wont rush back!
The attitudes are so different. Most UK passengers wouldn't think of gate jumping and the gates are generally policed by the transport staff, not security or police. Perhaps typically, the US commentors want to arm the security! Totally different cultures.
Please don’t rush back. U.S. NY’ers aren’t fond of Europeans coming into our city and breathing up our air. Keep your ass over there squire!!
@@neilmeadowcroft7569not “typically”. The typical fringe element. The UK has that as well, don’t tell me they don’t
Let's just take into account that London's more progressed approach to revenue enforcement has also led to fare increases all round, too. When I last visited NYC in mid 2014 a single journey anywhere on the Subway was $2.00...Or £1.20 when converting by exchange rates of the time. At that time a typical single on the Tube (Zones 1-3) was at least £2.75 ($4.60) which is more than double what New Yorkers were paying for comparable journeys at the time. 😳
So yes; The MTA might be about 20 years behind TfL in terms of development (Remembering the MTA had such a black period during the 1980s it was effectively restarted from scratch as a service) but TfL is at least 30 years ahead of the MTA when it comes to the fares being charged! 🚇🇬🇧💸😉
@@dieseldragon6756Do y’all have better, fast and consistent, frequent service on the Tube??🤔Are your trains and stations clean, fresh smelling, well lit?🤔 If so, then it’s worth what you pay. The service isn’t worth what we pay here in NYC, imo 🫤
In Lyon, France it is impossible to do piggy backing because there are sensors for 2 meters detecting the number of people going through. It can close the doors abruptly and ring an alarm. This system is able to detect kids and luggages too thanks to a giant weight under the doors. It's almost impossible to go through. But if you still manage, there are entire teams of 20/30 controller at the exit and entering the metro to check everyone. And it's a 90€ fine!
I remember as a kid attending Brooklyn Tech HS I was caught evading a fare at DeKalb Station. There was an undercover cop you took down my information and issued a summons which I had to pay from my savings working at True Value hardware store. That was the last time I tried to evade the fare.
Out of Control Subway Crime ???
Are you German, what crime, muhahahahaha, mad people on CZcams !!!!!
True Value hardware store, you need German shops !
I find it ridiculous that the MTA security in front of these emergency gates aren’t even equipped with pepper spray. What a joke this city has become where defending yourself can lead to jail time.
HEY KHANRIDES BUDDY I TOTALLY AGREE 👍 WITH YOU ON THAT TOPIC 👍 ITS STILL SO SO SO CRAZY THAT OUR STUPID N.Y.C. MAYOR ERIC ADAMS HAS INSTALLED & DEPLOYED UNARMED 🔫 LISENCED ALLIED UNIVERSAL SECURITY GUARDS DOWNSTAIRS INTO THE SUBWAY TRAIN 🚇🚇🚇 STATION WHICH IS TOTALLY STUPID & DOESN'T MAKE ANY KIND OF SENSE AT ALL BECAUSE THE UNARMED 🔫 LISENCED ALLIED UNIVERSAL SECURITY GUARDS DOWNSTAIRS IN THE SUBWAY TRAIN 🚇🚇 STATION DONT CARRY A 🔫 & ALSO A WALKIE TALKIE & ALSO PEPPER - SPRAY & ALSO A BULLETPROOF VEST # WE NEED N.Y.P.D. POLICE TRANSIT 🚇 MASS TRANSIT 🚇 🚇 🚇 DISTRICT COPS 👮♀️ 👮♂️ 🚔 NOT SECURITY GUARDS.
U wanna pepper spray for $3 that's a lot of cleanup
@@viv876undeniableits not that $3, its for lot more like civic sense and deters more crime
I agree the private security Guards from a contract company with the MTA Makes no sense being their. Why is the MTA wasting 2Million Dollars a year on usless people doing private cheap as security Guards work instead of deployed MTA police that can do something about Fair invasions, public nuisances, and disorderly conduct of passengers. NYPD Transit does nothing as a NYPD, there all lazy ass hell they don't care about anything that goes on to tight. The subway Transit with policing they have it's a joke that NYPD is their, all I see is most officers wanna get paid to do nothing much and then hide from the public and, walk in when they know they gotta make a round for the cameras.
@@viv876undeniable not my point. The point is what if they get attacked? They need to be able to defend themselves and vulnerable people like old ladys
Crimes are not down in the NYC subway system, it's just criminals are not being arrested.
During rush hour the busy stations are relatively safe with pickpockets being the biggest threat. The underutilized stations and late night is when you need eyes in the back of your head.
it's not crime, it's just members of the community taking the African American discount to get in.
Not easy
I'm gonna trust the data rather than the opinions of anonymous people on CZcams who have no access to that data.
@@ct5625 Data? You know any police? You think that police may be 'encouraged' not to take reports of crimes to make the stats look good? Nah, that would never happen.
The state of Victoria in Australia basically did your last suggestion. Nearly all stations now have a 24 hour presence of a what we call PSO’s Protective Services Officer. They’re not police officers but they are armed, uniformed and have the power to apprehend, arrest, search and fine people in designated areas such as railway stations and adjoining car parks
What an awful place to live where armed people patrol train stations! Sounds like the worst place to live!
@@colors6692 You sounds like american who doesn't want to pay for anything 🤣...
I live in Asia and we have security in station with stick (baton) and inside the train, it feels much safer and you have people that can help you also
They should apprehend, arrest, search and fine you for using an apostrophe to form a plural
@@colors6692 Every city I've visited that has had armed security in it's transport system has been miles ahead in safety than my own city which rarely has any form of transit security
Technically, PSO's can't arrest people, but everything else you said is correct.
In Europe and England we call "piggybacking" a gate "tailgating". EDIT: In England, we have dedicated Police for Transport areas. These police officers patrol many transport hubs, including railway stations and the London Underground.
we have police too, but they are not allowed to police, or else the progressive liberal politicians put them in prison for life.
I could hear the smile in your voice when you announced the ROBOCOP!
Thank you for your report.
I visited NY a few months ago. The subway is definitely something we had to learn to ride. We were so confused about the MTA card. The card didn't even work. There wasn't any Subway staff to ask. People were just going through the emergency doors, so I did.
I loved my few days in NY but I got back home telling everyone that no one pays for the subway in NY.
It has gone down hill right now
The card needs to be swiped a certain way in order to work which makes no sense. It's very poorly designed.
you need to first place the front side of the card towards you and swipe it really fast
@@Cinjo6
Thanks because I am definitely going back to NY this summer.
@@vijijkj
Thanks, I will make a note of that. I just loved visiting NY.
Lyft and taxis, so expensive.
Subway is fine but I'm not from NY...we didn't even know which direction we were going.
No subway staff to give us a map. By the time we got a map, we still couldn't figure out the different color trains. I am going to get a subway lesson before I come back. 🤔🙂
The part they don't really talk about though is even without all this fare evasion, the systems would still be losing money. Or that many the people who do it wouldn't ride the subway without it. It's like saying every pirated movie is a sale lost, ignoring the people who wouldn't of watched it in the first place.
I mean it's a bad thing in general to see people get out of paying while others do. But it's more about completely lax enforcement than anything else. It's the same reason places like New York have insane problems with retail theft. It doesn't matter how many security guards you put in the place if they can't do anything when some one breaks the rules in front of them.
In Auckland we have the motorised gate since 2016 and it works so well! We have the normal height ones in popular stations and the gate closes fast when someone walk through and if two people walk through an alarm will go off and in less popular stations they have narrow and high gates but also have a secuirty booth to open doors for wheelchair
You can get arrested for "Fare Evasion" but the city does not go after perps who loot stores, car jack, mugging etc. It appears there is no money in stopping serious crimes but there is in misdemeanor tickets. Follow The MONEY!
Shops are free to hire their private security guards, too. And hand over thieves to the police. Like MTA does
Uh, Rick... So you believe that the "city (NYC) does not go after peeps who loot...car jack, muggings, etc."??? That's the stereotypical (and false) narrative about NYC DOJ that doesn't match the number of incarcerations and number of full beds in city jails. That's your feelings moving your fingers to type, not facts.
@@marcd6897yeah. A pizza place getting robbed that can barely afford the sky high rent is going to hire security that's not actually allowed to protect the business.
@calvenknox8552 totally not pro crime government btw
@@calvenknox8552 it's the pizza place's fault for keeping so much dough around
How nice of the MTA to make it easier to evade paying the fare. The moment I saw those new gates, I knew it would just let people piggyback, and sure enough they even caught an instance of it.
Technically it isn't piggybacking, it is tailgating. The security at my job teaches me that and I obviously thought of that problem when I saw the "improved" gates. Just a way for some shady company to stike it rich. Just actually arrest criminals ffs.
It's a trial.
Do you know how that works?
You investigate new solutions, you implement them in a test location, and you monitor whether there is a reduction in activity or whether it makes no difference. If it reduces the instances of people hopping the barrier and it's deemed to save even 10% more (once the cost of installation and maintenance is deducted) then it's a good idea to expand it across stations.
It's a good thing there are people with minimal intelligence in positions making these decisions, because if it was down to people like you you'd be wasting billions in public money based on your fee fees rather than mathematical reality.
@@VintageToiletsRock
Yeah, I did security for a short time and remember that was an issue with security badges, but it was a long time ago so I don’t remember the terminology we used, but tailgating seems more appropriate since they’re literally going through a gate.
@@ct5625
^^^ Oh, we’ve got ourselves an executive here. Do you have any idea of how much money is wasted on dumb executive solutions like this that the man on the ground knows won’t work? A wise executive asks the man on the frontlines for their input before committing to a solution, whether just a test or not. Come on down from the top floor sometime, Mr. Boss Man, and talk to the little people. Take notice that both them and you still poop even if you’re doing it in your _executive washroom_ rather than a plebeian restroom.
By the way, just how is it supposed to save even 10% when it literally makes fare evasion easier rather than more difficult? They’re going to lose more money on this test than if they had just left the turnstiles alone. Now even little old ladies can figuratively _jump_ the turnstile.
They are trying to be like Paris, and Paris has these types but it is still easy to evade the fare
We have these in the netherlands. They start beeping loudly when detecting multiple passengers passing in one go. Helps security keep control actually.
I just simply love this city. Cant wait till my next visit. ❤. Always good job Jon. Best wishes from Germany.
We have barn door style in Boston and it does not deter people from not paying their fare; they run immediately after another person enters and the noise it makes no one cares. Don’t believe that is the best solution either.
I’m the 80’s NYC they started the subway crime reduction by actually locking up people evading the fare. It worked and people stopped jumping the turnstiles. Then the crime went down. It was very successful.
In saving some money, maybe. The goal should be to not put people in jails for petty crime, which ends up costing the city way more, in fact.
@@tomoflathead Depends on what type of people that can't pay are on the subways.
If they are violent criminals or mentally ill, it'll decrease crime and disturbances easily.
No maybe about it. Flat head no brain. So in other words petty crime should not be a crime. FU hole@@tomoflathead
Wait, you mean actually punishing law breakers actually stopped crime? In today's world criminals are allowed to do as they please and if you try to stop them YOU get punished.
Fare evasion may have gone down at some point in the 80’s, but overall crime in NYC only went down when Giuliani stepped in.
Fare evasion is high because I think New Yorkers are tired of a broken system. The fares keep rising, but the train system is managed poorly. Before Covid, I used to commute everyday to work and the trains were always delayed. I had to leave two hours earlier to get to work on time. I also had to deal with the card machines stealing my money, cards randomly erroring out, or the turnstiles charging multiple fares.
Subbed & Liked! Enjoyed the video! Good work & God bless in ‘24!
The guards paid to stand in front of the emergency exits should also be empowered to ticket those who jump the turnstiles. I see them standing there and ignoring the hoppers.
Yeeeaaah that's never going to happen. You don't know who you're dealing with here. You think these offenders are going to just stand there politely as you write them a ticket? Once issued, how many people do you think pay the ticket? I reckon NYPD won't even bother with these offences, since it could lead to violence and them being placed on administrative leave.
NYC does not enforce tickets. Its a waste of time to give tickets which is whey cops stand there and watch people jump.
If you say excuse me the guards will move for you. Just don't forget your manners.
No private citizen should be risking there lives for the mta. They have oath takers for that. Imagine fighting and losing your life for $3
@chiefenumclaw7960 it does leas to violence and they gotta pick their battles. Also security giving out tickets , this is NYC, nobody takes them seriously. Cops have a hard enough time as it is😂
I can't stop laughing at the belief that the new gates will somehow cut down on fare evasion. As the guy in the video showed, it is extremely easy for a fare evader to walk in behind somebody who paid their fare. Unless people get arrested for fare evasion, they will continue to evade paying the fares.
It's a TRIAL. They literally say that in the video, which you presumably watched?
If it cuts fare evasion by even 1% (after costs are considered) it's going to be worthwhile expanding this method across the system, as it will lead to higher income and a better service.
One thing to remember and never forget, beware of the chocolate bar brothers and sisters. They are the most dangerous in NYC. Doing the most crimes.
Lmao you think the money they make is gonna be used for better services good joke my friend. If that were the case nyc Mta would be magnificent by clean, safe and secure with all the money they have already made
He said I don’t think you’ll be able to hop over it 😂😂😂😂 how fucking unathletic do you have to be to not be able to hop over that short ass gate
@@dannybx78brand new year and you’re still a racist how pathetic of you to put your mother through 9 months of pain to come out an embarrassment
Thanks for this video: How to evade fares. Yes most interesting including actual examples on howto.
JON! Another great video bro!
it was hilarious when the one guy run through the gate while you were talking about it but I also really lied watching your interactions with people like the other guy.
Glad you enjoyed Shawn, hope you're well!
Yeah life has been interesting, maybe Ill make a video about it one day. lol either way, glad to see you are doing well. take care bro@@HereBeBarr
No comments on the video, just wanted to wish you Happy Holidays, Jon!
The security guards do nothing, the police do nothing…their presence alone is supposed to be the deterrent but if you jump the turnstile or go under or walk through an open gate they just ignore you and go on talking to their partner.
It’s truly reprehensible!
this is not true most of the time, i definitely see people getting tickets in the subway when they get caught.
There should be plainclothes supervisors who randomly monitor the guards' behavior.
@@sixx-jo4isThat's just as minimal of the day to day operations for the accounts of being their as NYPD presents. 4 Million riders a day in NYC Transit, Cops will never catch up with competing with that number of people by just watching. Plus the daily Quotes of the month are met then the daily jumping turnstiles and running through gates countings as usual.
Then why did i get a ticket?
The cops don’t do nothing due to the new laws. Thanks to ‘’defund the police’’
As someone in Toronto, the plastic/plexiglass doors are useless. People will either manipulate the exit sensor or run through and break the gate’s motor to get through.
The solution is quite easy, here in the Netherlands we have similar doors. But if a second person is detected a loud alarm will sound alerting everyone to the person piggybanking.
I appreciate yr coverage of some of the real issues/problems confronting NYC and not just fluff holiday walking tours to earn youtube dollars.
The real issue is people simply can't afford $2.90 to ride a broken inefficient third world nation mismanaged system. Now you know.
I think the best solution would be to implement the Japanese concept: The heavy-duty gates always stay open, and you just tap and walk through, yet if someone doesn't pay, the gates immediately close. This would prevent jumping over gates if using tall heavy-duty material, doesn't slow down anyone as riders can tap and keep walking without stopping, and noone can just run through or run behind someone cause all that needs to happen is for the gates to quickly close.
They work well too. I didn't have as much money on my Suica card as I thought I did and took one of the gates to the gut following right behind another person
This kind of fare control was used in the Soviet Union (and, later, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.) throughout the 80’s and 90’s, and well into the 2000’s. But by now they’re moving away from those fare-gates and replacing them with more modern ones that open automatically as you pay (similarly to what Paris has and what’s being proposed for NYC). While I agree that the Soviet-style gates are very effective in discouraging fare evasion, they’re also unsafe: if you misplace a heavy piece of luggage or move it a wrong way, the gate might close and hurt you. So, I’m not surprised that Russia is getting rid of them. As a counter-example, Berlin subway (along with urban commuter rail) has no gated at all; their system is entirely based on the proof-of-payment.
Even better, implement something like toll tags for cars, auto detection, no swiping business at all ..
Use AI and cameras to send bills to home of Everyone that does not pay !
@@baratmalli6413I really believe everyone will scream: privacy!
@@wangyaohan8824 and so they should
I was surprised in Greece when I first saw how they deal with it. On every train, every person is checked by the workers. Even if 40 people get on, or 2, almost all trains (other than Athens metro), you will be physically asked to show your ticket and have it scanned. If you don't have a ticket, you can simply pay when they come.
The metro in Athens has a simple thing like NYC, scan a card or buy a ticket before passing the barriers. A paper card that you can scan like a credit card or you phone, is only 20 euro for 3 days unlimited use, and that includes buses or trams anywhere within the city. Very good for the tourists.
In England we have barriers at most of our underground & major stations, which from my experience have been always staffed.
Occasionally in the big intercity stations when multiple trains come in, they’ll be left permanently open to avoid congestion. The barriers close quickly & anyone would have a hard time sneaking through behind someone else.
The motorized plexi glass doors won't really work as well because now people will shove or push to go when someone pays the fair or someone exits 😭
As someone who lives in a place where they have the plexiglass type in most stations (there are a few with the old one) there are ways to overcome them but the main thing is that most don't even try.
In any case tjere are models that the plexiglass is higher and closer to the floor, the doors slide to the side, not open away from you and many have detectors sonif more than one tries to pass they won't open.
That said. There will always be people that will try to ride without paying but in places with lower inequality and a good social support system there are far less of them.
Pretty on the spot being there and getting that guy "piggybacking" right after you said it. Jon predicting the future.😄
I had someone piggy backed me at those metal circular turnstiles. It was creepy since I am a woman and he was a guy.
Yeah, I've had people do that to me in London. The scissor doors like at the Newark Airport station cut down on that but so does real security.
Yep, living in London , I've had this done to me too, when I sense it's going to happen - I either go slow - or even stop . Risky - I know.
In Belgium we have "sliding" doors than close so quick it's a real struggle to get 2 people through at once + they beep super loud when you do so people don't do it as much to avoid the shame
we have had this system in vancouver for years now. at first, there was substantial resistance to it, but it works perfectly.
you can still climb over the gates, however.
Excellent video. I am definitely subscribing and keeping and eye out for future videos!!!
“They hop, they duck, they climb, they go through two at a time” 😂
Here in London we have gates. I used to get the tube home from Tottenham Court road in the early 90s. There was a guy who used to wait by the gates wearing a knuckle duster as a warning to staff that if they stopped him when he piggy-backed, they'd get knocked out. Ah, the olden days...
We have that style of gate here in Vancouver. I do occasionally see people just force themselves through the gates (they only offer so much resistance) or sneaking in behind a paying user.
In my visits to the city I watched many jump and many use the emergency door to get in or get out without a care. I also watched many cops ignore it. Makes you wonder what's the point if they don't actually enforce anything.
Nobody is trying to get deleted over a $3 ticket.
I wouldn’t deal wit th those ppl either.
The cops have to clock in and stand for 8 hours, 5 days a week.. last thing they wanna do is deal with fare beaters all day 😂
@@jeffdkidthen fire them. What’s the point of spending tax $ on people who do nothing?
There is no need fof them to do anything. The DA won't prosecute them. They only prosecute law abiding citizens who try to defend themselves.
@@jeffdkidThen they are wasting taxpayer money and should be fired.
It might cut-down fair evasion but piggy backing is gonna be the new meta for sure.
We'll just bring back the _Swipe Them Through_ campaign to help out our fellow NYers who need rides. We look out for each other.
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Happy New Year Jon!
The gates needs to be taller and lower. While yes its better to stop the issue, and the right direction, the gates need to be a bit closer to the floor and taller. Plus, the gates need faster motors and exit and entry gates could benefit as well
The injuries those faster gates would cause if they close on people who are struggling (elderly, physically disabled, people w/stroller or little one on foot, tourists w/luggage).
When you start talking about lawsuits for changing people's quality of life w/a debilitating injury and loss of ability to work, it might not be worth it.
There are always going to be people who engage in fare-evading. There has never been...and will never be..a fool-proof method. We need to strive for maximum compliance without injuring the elderly, disabled, little kids, and tourists who are unfamiliar with w/our transportation.
Like you, I pay my way. Yes, it is frustrating to not be wealthy and to see others skirting the system, so I get your frustration. I even paid my way when I was on disability & could barely cover my rent. Some people (narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths) will always behave in an entitled manner. That will never change as long as these people walk amongst us (and there are just as many wealthy ones as homeless and poor).
This is just the start, these gates will be hooked up to facial recognition, and other technologies.
How about this. An AI in camera observing possible evading behaviors.
"Please refrain from evading your fare. Please pay the fare now. You have been warned."
*Evader jumps over the gates then screams!*
"You have been subdued of 10,000 volts. Remain until paramedics and police arrive to check you into your nearest jail. Thank you. Please refrain from evading on your next visit."
@@nosywendigo592 This is literally dystopian and you know it. This is a terrible "solution" to the problem that should never be attempted in any capacity. What if the "evader" was barely scraping by, living paycheck-to-paycheck? That isn't as uncommon nowadays, especially in this current economic crisis. Please, for the love of God, tell me this is just a joke.
I agree with that. The new turnstiles at Sutphin Blvd-JFK Airport is, for a lack of the word, slow. The MTA needs to do better. They have to ask the folks that operates the Paris Metro.
Input from Toronto: We have gates like the new ones at our stations, nobody really hops the gate, but there is so much piggybacking it's crazy, or sometimes people will open the gate from the exit side for each other
Here in DC they installed a blocking gate in only a few stations, the rest you can just jump over the faregate. The day those blocking gates opened, someone forced their way right through it on live teevee so it wasn't even working the first day
Damm! You did not mention to me I was going to be filmed while talking to you. No problem. Enjoyed the video and keep up the great work you do.
I bet if you offer the police union a % of the money saved annually by deterring fare evasion it would result in a SIGNIFICANT deterrence
DAMN GOOD IDEA! You can definitely see these cops don't want to do their jobs as it is! Meanwhile, some of them collecting overtime.🙄
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Many of these Officers are intentionally standing at far corners of the station, instead of RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TURNSTILE (writing tickets). 🤷🏽♂️ If some Officers wish to avoid doing work or they want to avoid a "bad situation" THEN GIVE UP THE JOB and make room for someone else.🤷🏽♂️
I live in NYC and take the train to work. You have to see the amount of fare evading that happens at Atlantic Avenue on the L train everyday, you will be shocked at how normal it is for everyone to just walk through the emergency gate and no one does a thing about it.
On german metro systems, there aren't any gates at all. And yet, the numbers of fare evaders is still much lower than NYC in every city. How is that possible? 3 simple things: 1) The people value public transport more and are willing to pay for fast, frequent, safe and clean service all around the city. 2) The prices are much lower. For example, there is a ticket for about 53 dollars a month that lets you use every train and bus in the whole of Germany. And 3) there are undercover ticket inspectors everywhere. They get on at stations and as soon as the doors are closed and the train is moving (No escape), they show their ID cards and start checking tickets. They're also mostly in groups, so if neccesary, they can catch fare evaders trying to escape.
I was in Paris a couple of months ago. They have the tall plexiglass doors. People still skipped out on paying. Some guys followed me and my friend through the turnstiles. I didn't even notice him til she said something to me.
Much less though, especially on the ones equipped with overhead differentiation cameras to sort between luggage or children with adult and actual piggybackers.
The newer ones helped reduce fare evasion significantly. But aren't everywhere yet.
Make an example of fare evaders. Give them a ticket with the amount to be determined using the following method.
Fine = (L + E) / X
L - 3 month moving average of fare losses
E - 3 month moving average of fare enforcement costs
X - 3 month moving average of the number of fare evaders
Super easy.
Great video😮
I got stuck once at the turnstiles with luggage. Somehow the handle got lodged in the turnstile arms and would not bulge. Hopefully the new system will work better… now, I wonder if they will put the same effort in keeping the stations clean and safe.
That's the problem. When you stop arresting people, they have the will to do whatever they want, without impunity!!! In NYC this all started with De Blasio and continuing with Mayor Adams!!!
The DEMORATS!!!!
Bail reform and democratic policies
Without impunity, not with.
Everyone complaining cops don't do anything are ignorant to the fact that the District Attorney, that ya'll voted for, straight up said they will NOT prosecute fare beating. Meaning if a cop arrests someone for it, the DA will just set them free anyway. So why be mad at the cops?
Those new gates are the same as what the London Underground has had for many years. And they don’t remotely stop fare evasion. People either just force the two flaps of the gates open (not much pressure needed) or tail-gate through. Especially popular for this are the wider gates at the end of each row for those with buggies.
In helsinki finland there is no gate only some ticket inspectors and its rare to see it I don´t normally see ticket inspectors
I actually died when robocop came into frame 😭🤣
I was in New York and used the subway and surprisingly nearly every stop I was at, the emergency door was opened and people walked through it in hordes not paying. Not sure if they were not willing to pay or in a hurry.
Fight Crime, mad !
why you cry New York, if you are not that !
😂😂😂”Did u get that?” Sorry but paying for the NYC subway is for tourists. We love u man. Happy Holidays!
Provide free transportation and cut down military spending.
Crazy seeing people defending fare evasion.
At the subway station I use, 5 migrants live there. It is their home. You see them passed out drunk sometimes. Or you see them urinating in a hole in the ground. Sometimes you see their feces. One thing the migrants do when anyone enters the station is open up the emergency gates and let them ride for free. Half the riders that use that subway station do not pay any fare. They want the local population to be on their side, so they just let them ride for free. The cops show up every 2 months and make them leave, but when the cops leave, they come right back.
Nothing like this in Berlin. You can walk in any transportation station. There are random controls in the trains. To support the people who wants to use the local transportation system instead of the car, we have a ticket for 49 EUR a month. With that you can use any local transportation system in Germany
Yeah the monthly ticket here is 130$ lol
Please compare apples with apples!
@@angeliner59 why do you think that the transportation system in Berlin is so different to NYC
Does it smell like piss and are homeless people everywhere?
@@janbeddies7831probably because they know how to cater to people needs.
When we were traveling in Europe last year, they had the large plexiglass door style, but those close back up fast. I saw one person run into it face first. Another lady walked through and it caught her purse as it closed behind her and she was stuck. Will be interesting to see the close speeds they set on the ones in NY. Based on your footage, they were pretty slow, this allowing that one guy to piggyback.
I’ve seen a person once paying for subway with their phone and putting the phone to the reader screen down (instead of using the back side, where the NFC antenna actually is). I thought that was kinda weird and very funny. This was the second time I’ve ever seen this 2:44.
So glad I live in a place where we don’t have people who feel so entitled that they don’t have to pay their fare. In Tokyo there are no gates, or turnstiles. In some cases there are “flaps” that open up when you tap your card or insert a ticket. Those are more for controlling access according to flow of traffic, as all gates can be used in either direction based on passenger load.
stay homogenous Japan or this will be in your backyard
So how much does it cost for you to ride a few blocks on the subway where you live? Is it $2.90? Do you live in a city where people simply can't afford that outrageous fare? How entitled you are. Look in the mirror dear.
Just because you cant afford something doesn't mean you are entitled to it for free. @@meyer8199
I don’t ride a few blocks. I walk.
For now anyway. Aren’t there American passport bros in your country? Or do they just stick to the countries that are in really bad shape so they are guaranteed a lady?
If y’all allow American fools into your country and they breed… y’all are in for it.
In London we have a similar issue with the "new" gates you guys are getting. They need to be much taller, and the law enforced. In London it's very unlikely for someone to be stopped if seen fare evading. The gates can be propper open, held open, jumped over, piggybacked or sometimes they are just broken or left open and people just go through them.
Someone from the UK in an earlier comment stated this sort of thing would never happen there. I questioned the validity of that statement being that I’ve lived amongst humans for 50+ years
The only difference (maybe, not sure how it works in NYC) we do get ticker inspectors from time to time on buses or trains etc. to see if you have a ticket, they can also be present in interchanges in stations. If you don't have one, you usually get fined and most of the time at bigger "sting" operations there's police present, but when on a bus/train it's usually 1 person checking or 2. Don't know what happens after tbh.
@@reddwarf4278
@@reddwarf4278 it does happen but not often. In London you have to tap in and tap out, it charges you the precise fare as there are different fare prices. You would have to evade paying twice which is more of a deterrent. Sometimes there are transport police and ask to check tickets too, if caught you get fined
@@vivarockstarand if you don’t tap out you get charged whatever the cap for the day is now. Even if the gates are open almost everyone still pays
yeh in New York you don't tap out, it's the same fare wherever you go. London different fares so people less likely to evade as of you tap once you gotta pay. Some people evade tapping in and out but gotta be sure no transport police or can get through
The thing with the doors is that in order to skip the fare you would need to piggyback on both the entrance AND the exit. If the gates don't detect that you paid for a entrance it won't let you exit the gate for free, it will charge you "platform fee".
Cool robot! I want THAT😂😂
As an American, we can learn a lot from Singapore. It’s time to get tough on crime for real.
As an American living in nyc I agree with you, I was where last month on Nov 25 flying 19 hours from JFK. The subway & streets down there was SO shiny & clean I started to resent the NYC subway wishing they were catched up, you get fined for like 500-1000K for eating and radio playing in the train , 2,000 for chewing gum, 1K for littering, you can't Jaywalk either even if there are no cars passing by, you can be out at like 1 - 2 am and feel more safer than being out at the city around those hours. I felt like crap returning back and now when I take the trains here I always think of Singapore, I totally support how they handle their country, travel really does show you alot on what you're missing out, America really needs to step up.
You support a country that fines you for CHEWING GUM? @@r160aexpress5
Cracking down on crime is "racist" now. Apparently it shows a disproportionate percentage of a certain "race" perpetrating these crimes.
@@r160aexpress5 How on earth does any of that sound reasonable? Singapore sounds like a dreadful police state if you're being ticketed for chewing gum. It's not to say the city could do better to improve the system, but let's get down to the real issues and not compare dystopian societies. You wanna fix the MTA? How about the MTA fixes itself first with more investment to reduce delays and infrastructure failures. People feel like they shouldn't pay for a service that doesn't even work in the way it should. The system has been plagued for years, and only recently has fare evasion gone up ten fold. It's a symptom to a larger issue, not the main problem. When it's late nights and the L train is operating on 30-60 minute timetables, I wouldn't feel like I should pay for that service if their service barely exists for my convenience. Or when the trains are delayed from technical failures and I'm late to my job and I lose money or even worse get fired, is the MTA going to reimburse me for the delay? No. So why should people care to pay if the system is so inherently unreliable that it hurts them economically?
ah yes 50 lashings for being a homosexual or dressing light as a woman in public! REAL TOUGH!
So amazing,
from 🇸🇬 Singapore
The timing at 4:15 was impeccable!!
At Parsons and Archer station in Queens NY the police watches people jumping the turnstile and doing nothing about it. It is sad
In Toronto they added Fare Inspectors who on some streetcars they go to every person and ask for proof of payment, either with a paper transfer or the transit card.
That was a few years ago, but it was suspended in 2020 due to the COVID pandemic, and despite an announcement by the TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) about bringing said fare inspectors back, they haven't come back, and people are evading paying fares again.
Just easy soluton. Like at the airport. When you get inside the cabinet the door behind you closes and that door in front gets open. You can please one camera. should someone try to go together the door behind them will not close. You can use just 1-2 Cameras and bind them with the system :)
I used to work for the Montreal Transit system now retired those barn doors won't reduce jumpers because the person using their pass to open the door a person behind he or she can just follow. I've seen done often in our butterfly doors.
Not saying all fare evaders are criminals but all criminals are fare evaders
Why would police care about fare evaders when it is under $3 when they don't do anything about shoplifters stealing hundreds of dollars and forces these stores to close, loses, loses jobs, quality of life for Yorkers and hundreds of millions in tax revenues?
it's about control, they don't really care about the $3-5
The stealing from stores is the stores responsibility to determine. The police are called only after the crime. But stores have decided it's not worth the liability issues to try and stop the thefts as they're happening, and the criminals know this.
Unfortunately, the stores solution is to close the business, and in the process the neighborhood. Hey, if people in that neighborhood are going to steal, then everyone pays for the crimes of a few. The residents of that neighborhood, who steal, only have themselves to blame.
It's because it's a public service for the community and everyone should pay to help support the public transit service. Stores are private businesses. Very different.
@@mrxman581 While I agree with you that everyone who can pay should pay to support public transit, it is also not worth paying for the injury to the officer and/or citizens chasing down entitled narcissists and sociopaths.
The idea is that farebeaters may be more likely to commit crimes.
It's wild that this is such a problem there. As the report points out, the solution to at least some of it is pretty easy: tall, plexiglass doors. That's how it is here in the Netherlands. People can theoretically still full-run smash through one, but it's certainly more effective than just a turnstile. I've never seen someone evade the fare with our system.
Plexiglass is stronger than normal glass.
In London, I rarely see people jump the barriers but it's common to see piggy-backers. People will always try to fare evade but it needs to be as difficult as possible to put off the majority.
Pretty much identical to London tube stations. The doors open and stay open until someone tries to enter without a ticket and they seem relatively good at shutting quickly on tailgaters. EDIT: NYC doors seem to be much less aggressive.
The disabled / luggage ones in London are so easy to be tailgated tho. Most of the tailgaters target them.
My sister told me weeks ago that people will piggyback to avoid the fare and you proved her right
Yes, but is the number who will do that going to be less than the number who were hopping the barriers in the past?
That's why it's a TRIAL.
How come so many idiots here seem to have just ignored the fact that this is a test to see if it will be worthwhile? It's literally in the video.
They gotta implement the ones they use in Japan for their subways. Super high tech and ultra effective. It also detects when a person is attempting to piggyback on another, and you’ll need to talk to the security card to get past the gate if you’re caught piggybacking
You forgot one fare evasion method. It's called living in the subway for an indefinite period of time.
How about keeping dangerous ppl off the street?
Where would we put people who haven't committed a serious crime? Raegan closed down the asylums...
The Ole Prison Complex
Never works & usually innocent people suffer
@@IdleByte sent them to North Korea
This is not new, Guilianni used to check fare jumpers for outstanding warrents and arrested them on the spot if there was one.
I miss that guy.
We have the barn doors in London and people still either jump over, follow you through, or just turn sideways and push through the gates 😂
That guy with the hat must be a real New Yorker. I mean it does not sound he had the New York accent which would be fun, but him taking the time to small talk the CZcamsr and giving him a hanshake or a high five at the end sounds like a good man! (: Imagine how why so many love New York one reason or the other! NYC definately have a lot to catch up on in contrast to more developed systems in the world like Tokyo, Taipei, Paris, London, etc. (:
To stop crime you have to prosecute crime. 🤨
You use a service, you pay for it. Are you european?@@karlwithak.
for petty theft? yeah let's fill up the prison costing the tax payers
@@reknown123 guess what petty theft cost you it translates to higher prices for products.
You forgot, the entire U$ regime is run by criminals.
3:27 In Germany, I took a train that operated on the honor system. There was no toll gate. Riders are expected to have a ticket and are occasionally checked on the train.
The thing is in Germany they will actually come after you if they catch you fare evading. First time usually just a 60 euro fine but the fines go up fast. There are people in Jail cause they can't afford to pay the tickets issued for fare evading.
@@Der.Preussethe fine here in Vienna is even 105€
As a resident of New York City, I, like many others, am frustrated by the persistent issue of fare evasion on the subway system. It's disheartening to witness individuals attempting to bypass payment and undermine the fairness of the public transportation system that countless law-abiding riders depend on daily. The consequences of fare evasion extend beyond just the immediate financial impact, as the repeated occurrence may lead to increased subway fares for all of us. If such practices continue unchecked, authorities may find it necessary to invest in costly tools and infrastructure to curb fare evasion, inevitably passing the financial burden onto lawful riders through fare hikes. As a community, it is essential that we address this issue collectively to ensure the sustainability and affordability of our public transportation system for everyone.
I remember as a kid around age 14 in the 70s going with a friend to Coney Island on the subway to go to the amusement part we THOUGHT was there, we didnt know you had to pay a second fare to EXIT the station, I think it was 50 cents, and then somehow I lost all the remaining change I had in my pocket maybe thru a hole. We wandered around and didnt find the amusement park we thought was there so we went back to the station and that was when I discovered I lost my money!
My friend got in but I had NO idea what to do, I had no idea how to get home, I didnt even have a dime for a payphone to CALL my parents in Manhattan and I think around then we didnt HAVE a phone anyway, it was real scary!
At some point the train came in the station and I ran and jumped the turnstile and got on the train!
That wasn't a "I dont wanna pay so I'm ripping the subway off" daily thing, it was a case of I was lost and didnt know how to get home miles away, or what to do, there were no cell phones back then, no GPS and all i knew was I was miles away from home somewhere in Coney Island, jumping the turnstile was the only way to get home!