The Biggest Mistakes In The Walking Dead
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- čas přidán 18. 12. 2022
- The Walking Dead is known for many controversies I will cover in this video. These mistakes and decisions made in the show have cost the show millions in loss of viewership and interest.
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The thing about Carls death is how nonchalant and anticlimactic it was, we've seen Carl go through many life-endangering situations just for him to die from a walker bite because he got overrun by two walkers, even though he managed to escape from the simmilar situation when he was 12.
Exactly!! We watched him turn into a little badass that was always ready to protect his family no matter what. Dumbest thing they did was kill mini Rick 🙄
@@Selena-yr5zb tv show carl was never a mini rick. He was a supporting character for rick who was all over the place and never stayed inside the house. He died protecting his community and bringing in another person. As much as his death did suck at least they made it make sense. Unlike half the shite angela kang wrote
@@Selena-yr5zb agreed, they should have kept Carl if they wanted to let Rick go do his own project. Having Carl could have gave us a rick of that generation and could give us the “old man rick” theory in a way
@@dwayneb1047 I mean mini Rick in the sense of he was taught mostly everything he knows by Rick, & he was always determined to stay behind on missions to make sure their community was safe
Seriously! So disrespectful to the Grimes’ legacy
Carl's death was definitely worse then Glens death. Carl had so much potential to carry on where Rick left off.
i felt like if they killed off carl it should've been something intense. he's a badass a simple walker bite is too easy of a death I saw it and was like damn Carl doesnt deserve to go out like that
I may be late, but do you even know why the actor was gone?
@@gekkeavonturen Carl? Yeah it's messed up lmao they cut him right before he turned 18, killed off his character before they had to pay him the big bucks. I like the show but they did Carl's actor dirty
@@NickRN4L it’s because he was going to college, that’s why.
@@gekkeavonturen He took a year off before school anyways, it's probably a little bit of both. I'm sure there are multiple factors influencing the decision
Carl’s character had years of surviving experience in the apocalypse, surviving and thriving, yet suddenly he gets bitten in the most ludicrously flimsy bit of writing, as if he’s just woken up to the world of The Walking Dead, rather than living through it since he was a child
Just like the stupid ending for Dean on Supernatural
Carl chose to leave
@@jamesfelice9768 Why are you lying? Chandler Riggs was blindsided by him getting fired
Carl left because he wanted to and I suggest you watch who you call a liar
@@DeanSmith84 same Dean that's coming back as the show is ?
The shitty thing about Chandler's situation is that he had been promised (if I recall) at least 3 more seasons on the show. He had bought a house where they were filming and also found a post-secondary school that would allow him to film while also studying for whatever course he was taking there. He basically moved his entire life out to the filming location under the guise he had lots of time left on the show, only for Scott to say "lmao jk you're dying this season". I remember Chandler's dad had released a statement basically calling Scott out on his shit but he had to delete it.
I know for me personally I stopped watching halfway through s8, but I had wanted to go back and keep trying. But when they killed off Carl, I swore off the show. They did Chandler so fucking dirty and I can't forgive them for that.
Thanks for that explanation.
Me too, it was pointless to watch afterwards.
He was probably pressured into deleting it.
@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 I wouldn't be surprised, I'm sure AMC wasn't too happy to be called out on their bullshit like that and probably threatened legal action if he didn't
Oh noooooo poor kid can afford to buy a house and move and has more than enough money to continue to live his life happily.
So glad that you put Carl's death at no.1. That just felt like an out right betrayal of the series at that point.
I would've been sad about Carl if he were played by a better actor.
I was glad too. I was never really super invested in TV shows around the time I was watching The Walking Dead. But even if I don't like shows, I am persistent enough to watch right to the end.
The Walking Dead is, and probably will always be, the only show that I cannot finish after Carl's death. I just can't do it.
@@lattimoreland2399 Disagree to a degree i think he couldve done better but he did have his moments like in season 4 when rick was hurt in the house and in season 6 and 7
Fr like Carl was badass at that point and wouldn’t risk himself over a random
@@KingInTheNorth771Nahhh the house scene was so bad. I cringed the whole episode. The acting was horrible.
Also, The Actor for Dale would’ve stayed alive for a lot longer but requested to be killed off after Frank (his good friend) was fired. We might’ve seen a similar character development from Weak to Strong like we saw from Carol.
If they were to follow the comics then Dale would just be the Hershel we got on the show and Hershel would be a grouchy old man and then Dale would die in the cannibal scene that took bob
I personally don't think he was weak he just had morals, I think, like gabriel, corruption arc would've gone so hard
dale was the best character season 1 too. They had such a good story going with him and andrea.
@@Brent22 Agreed - I lost a lot of interest when Dale was killed. When they did the same to Hershel, "I'm out! Call me when you're done!"
Agreed 💯 Jeffrey DeMunn ( Dale ) worked in many projects, with Frank. The Shawshank Redemption, the Storm of the Century, and a few other Stephen King movies. Loved his character, would have definitely interested, in seeing more
When they killed of Carl it felt really weird to me, especially while the entire season was building him up as the last hope for peace in the world where humans become less human than zombies. So long story short, checked the comics and turns out the very next arc was supposed to be Carl's arc I am still baffled how much they sabotaged themselves.
Carl's death came out of the blue and did not make sense. We could excuse Glenn's but Carl's death was really the last straw. Let's not forget the whole motivation for the show is Rick protecting his family - Carl. This was the worst decision ever.
The thing is that, Carl was the show, the show centered around the Idea of Rick doing anything for Carl to live. When he was killed the whole point of the show left with him. Also Lincoln’s departure could have easily paved the way for Carl to step in and take his place as leader. And Beth, Glenn, Carl were all under the TWD curse. The moment they got character development they were killed off.
people are supposed to die in the show just because its your favorite character does not change that, they should of just followed the comics faithfully.
@@vincenthammons6705 it not my favorite character, it’s just common knowledge for script writing that you don’t seem to have. The directors were bad and so were the scriptwriters. And you know you made a bad choice when almost everyone collectively agrees and the the viewership drops by 10 million
Glenn's death was the best thing ever happened to this show
I was sad when Glenn died but like I understood it, bc that’s what happened in the comics. Carls death though? Nope, completely checked out when that happened. I was and still am so pissed about that.
Every season was about carl so when he dies to random bull sheet why should I ever rewatch the earlier seasons or continue to watch.
It's even worse when you realize how good of a leader Carl would've been if they didn't kill him off
Especially after Andrew left the show, Carl could've carried it with how good his character was when Negan showed up.
It's even worse than that if you've read the comics.
Dude he's the fucking worst
@@Dorfelsnorf exactly in the comics Carl lives to the end it’s upsetting that they did that
lol he never died
Sophia and Andrea were also supposed to survive, it’s so stupid. And Dale was meant to make it up to the Hunters arc with the cannibals. Imagine how much better this show would have been if we still had Andrea, Sophia, Carl and Rick.
But no, they had to ruin it for “SHOCK FACTOR” what a stupid reason
Exactly. They shouldn't have had Andrea kill Amy in the beginning of the show neither. I would've liked to see them get to at least Herschel's farm or something but they always had the same excuse. Carl's death shouldn't have happened but it did and they did it in the stupidest way. He died because of 2 walkers? Like are you kidding?? After everything he's been through he died because 2 walkers came up to him out of nowhere-
Negan himself said it... Carl was the future. The show shot itself in the eye with this move
They fired "Carl" because he was turning 18 and was due to receive a major major update and pay increase to his contract now he was an adult. He had a huge amount of screen time and he would have played a pivotal role in future episodes, coupled with his tenure on the show, meaning his pay would be top dollar alongside other front line actors on the show, and they just didn't want to bite the bullet and pay up.
I guess they didn't have even one single wise person who could
convince him into it.
Yep. His dad said they led him to think otherwise and he had just bought a house in Atlanta. Terrible decision. Should have fired Scott
So lame to base the character and story arc on a few bucks when they made a bloody fortune on the shows..
No. Although he was told he was signing a new contract, they completely duped Chandler Riggs, but not for any of the reasons you mentioned. Gimple told him that he was coming in to sign his new contract and that it was going to be Carl's story blah blah blah. The poor kid enrolled in college in Georgia and was just about to buy a house when Gimple ripped the rug from underneath him and fired him. Gimple only did this because he thinks he's some kind of genius and he could improve upon the comic which was actually Carl's story. This was a contributing factor to Andy Lincoln leaving the show. He was very upset at the way that Chandler was treated. When he got the call about it he thought it was going to be his character that was going to be killed off.
Dumb bitches, that ended up costing them viewership, still pissed they erased him
I feel like Andrea deserves to be on the list considering she was the first victim of the whole "kill a main character off for the sole purpose of shock value"
Honestly tho, her character was far from her comic adaptation, and not in a good way. They messed up her character so much, they decided to just end her there with no redemption
@@yesbutno5720 i mean ya but ppl act like it was soooo drastic when it really wasn't. In the original script for the s3 finale she was gonna take over woodbury on a white horse and take over leadership for that community which is something she doesnt even do in the comics and that early on mind u. The only thing bad about andrea was her not killing the governor when she had mulitple chances and that whole storyline w him in s3( keep in mind this is a writing flaw not the characters fault) but other than that shes a top tier character that would've easily outshined every character on the show jus like her counterpart did❤️
Makes absolutely no sense, her death came as a shock to absolutely nobody. Her death was timed right and had meaning
@@ibgrimes8706 She's literally the most important female character in the comics. Her death was shitty in the show and very anticlimactic.
Not only that she had signed a 7-8 year contract and kirkman and amc were pissed about the whole thing so I don’t understand how then they got away with it
You’re right. The departure of Carl was the last straw for me. If you go back to the prison when Lori is about to give birth to Judith, and she tells Carl he is going to beat this world, you figure he is going to “replace” his dad one day and be a last man standing. Therefore, after the death of Carl I quit watching. I was a HUGE watching dead fan. I watched it every week. I would tell people not to bother me on The Walking Dead nights and even had a Walking Dead pajama out fit I wore every time. It was depressing…
I feel u *Sending virtual hug*
Yep, killing off Carl was definitely the worst mistake - narratively he provided the purpose and the heart from the original Atlanta survivors onwards. A lot of what happened later would have been better with Carl in the story.
Other than that, it was Glenn falling off the dumpster and surviving which had first shook my confidence in the show. I remember finding Jadis and the scavenger people ridiculous too. I got into the show again during the Whisperer storyline and liked some of the newer characters but it wasn’t a patch on what the show had been during Seasons 1-5.
Even it was mentioned that the series was having its differences to the comic, killing Carl was going waaay too far. We saw how much he lived and survive being a child/teen, just to be bitten by 2 walkers while saving a guy that died 2 seasons later (don't even remember the guys name)...
siddiq, it's siddiq.
I don't think carl was even saving That guy. He was pointlessly killing random walkers with him for "honoring" that guy's mom
I mean Siddiq is in the comics but he was such a good character there and he didn't die. Another mistake, killing Carl off and Siddiq too without a real reason
There are so many other repercussions. Let's talk about Enid's character becoming completly pointless, so they killed her in the Whisper arc just to get rid of the character. Lydia's character arc was also hollow without his presence, despite Jeffrey Dean Morgan desperately trying to carry her (and the rest of the show) on his back. By taking out both Rick and Carl they removed elements from the show that none of the remaining characters could offer by themselves or together, Michonne and Daryl could never be the leader Rick was, and poor Judith could never interact with the rest of the cast in the same way because she was too young and lacked the experiences Carl had. The result was a hollow shell of the former show, an esoteric opera about zombies vs stormtroopers that only used "TWD" as branding, but had very little of It's substance.
Even though Glenn was my favorite character of the show, I still could fully accept that he died. His death kept me on my toes and the show reminds you that nothing lasts forever, but killing off Carl was just stupid, and the way he died was so lazy. Killing off the main character of the show was probably the dumbest decision anyone could make.
I guess you could say the same for Carl’s death but I totally agree with you. Glenn’s death felt way more impactful and Carl’s death seemed random and rushed. I really can’t explain why though.
@@ronyolo8419 From everything Carl has survived, he gets bitten from a wrestling match with a walker. He didn't need to do that at all, and Sidiq was perfectly fine if he didn't do that. It did feel very rushed.
Maybe it was just me, but I thought one of the premises of the show is that anybody could die at anytime. With that thought it frustrated me with everyone living so long. Glenn living after the dumpster scene is what drove me away, and the introduction to Lucille brought me back.
Nah, I could care less about Carl's death. Glenn's death and the way it happened were the worst. I don't care about what happened in the comics.
Carl & Rick together were the central characters where we were following his multifaceted experiences of growing up as a little boy from that first episode were Rick’s aim is to find Carl we saw a little child trying to cope in the breakdown of the world & followed him to a young man, so I thought he was the central character for me with Rick. They were into linked & were the fundamental glue to the full concept . As in the comic, we see him grow into a man and have his own crew as we saw him literally have to grow up so fast the whole symbolism of wearing a hat, the police hat of his father is taking on that role. His whole life was in a world of The Walking Dead, he had barely known any other existence. So to kill of Carl was killing us off , when he got killed of I felt it was inconceivable to continue watching I tried yet it seemed it crumbled into a miss match of different story arch’s
I truly don't understand why so many people left the show with Glenn. I loved the comic version of the scene and felt like they did it ok enough on tje show.
Carl's death was 100% my endpoint. Carl had so much build up in the comics, removing him was insane.
I always thought there were too many times where a character would be introduced on the show, be a background character, suddenly get a lot of screen time, and then proceeded to die in the same episode. Most of which to happen for shock factor alone, and it happened so many times that it started to not only get really tedious and predictable, but honestly kinda comical. Even then it’s still one of my favorite shows of all time.
That even happened in the last 2 episodes with Luke and Jules 😂
@@chrisbeach423 EXACTLY
The Warden from season 11 😂 or the Tyler dude 😂
@@ClashedPR Tara in Season 9 🤣🤣
@@ClashedPR great video and nice digging into this
Your reasons were spot on. Exactly how I felt. Left when Glenn died and then came back eventually only to be disappointed again with Carls death.
Took the words right out of my mouth!
Me too, I did that exact same thing
I completely understand ppl not watching after Glenns death. I almost stopped watching at that point too. Infact I remember the part when Rick almost had to cut off Carls hand I said ok if they actually do this Im done this is too far.
i read the comics so i was mentally prepared for that but when carl died that was bs and undeserved as he is the main character of the comics and had a lot of content left in the character only to replace him with other younger people that go off be heroic and die
@@usernamefoundelsewhere3483 Also not to mention how Carl's death made Rick's departure so much worse for the show. The only person to follow in his footsteps was Judith, which IMO was not a good replacement for Carl at all.
It's not Just Glenn's death but also Abraham too. Abraham's character as an army infantry veteran of Gulf War 1.0 and Panama was very convincing. His speech and mannerisms, his choice of the longer M16A1, which would have been army standard issue in Panama was perfection. His wearing of army medical arm sling in olive drab as a night patrol bandana is totally spot on.
Nice screenwriting stumbling into an army recruiting center leading to huge gift RPG, three rockets & cherry on top a box of Cuban(?) cigars!
Perhaps many viewers don't realize this actors very accurate portrayal ??
You yourself ignore his death. What's up with that ???? You're fired !!!!!
Yeah, I agree that Carl's death was more detrimental than Glenn's even if he wasn't as well liked as a character at that point. I had always thought of The Walking Dead as Glen's story and I think in several episodes they framed it through his perspective with that intent. When he left the show and Andrew Lincoln so soon afterwards, it just lost that narrative continuity and became an episodic zombie show.
Tbh idk why they had to get rid of Carl he was huge in the grimes family plus if they didn’t like how he was getting older they could have just done a time skip in the show to make him fit in with the timeline
They did it because gimple thought rick needed a reason to not kill negan, even though he already had one.
@@TheDrexLord yes if Rick just forgave negan for no reason fans woulda still complain, I'm pretty sure the creators didn't liked the idea of Carl dying neither
Pretty sure the writers just did not want to pay him a adult raise of money so the fired his ass.
@@michaelmyers1876 it doens't make sense, im sure Andrew or Norman would still be more well payed than Chandler
@@TheDrexLord I feel the point they give of Rick wanting to honor Carl is kind of dumb story wise. Like the point could have been switched to “to honor those who lost their lives of the war” or even to honor glenn which could’ve been realistic.
IMO the biggest slap of of Carl's death, was that Carl's arc with the Whisperers was given to a non character that we didn't watch grow up. I was excited for Riggs to get his chance to grow into his character. they took away so many important event from Carl character development.
Who was it given to?
@@BruceWayne-iz9hkHenry, some brat carol and Ezekiel adopted, but it didn’t matter anyway because he ended up dying and got his head stuck on a pike next to a bunch of others
@@2bdaqueen268 yeah I watched it now, does that mean Carl was get killed off in that arc too?
@@BruceWayne-iz9hk no, Carl ended up living till the end of the comics, it’s actually that arc where he definitely shines, in the comics the important characters that died on the pikes were Rosita and Ezekiel
@@BruceWayne-iz9hkno, Carl lives till the end, Henry got killed because people found him super annoying, so they decided not to replace Carl with him and just kill him
Say what you want about the 7th and 8th seasons, but the perfect ending is this: Carl is still alive, and when Rick is about to kill Negan on the hill, he does, finally killing the saviors. Then, they live on to continue surviving, fighting off walkers until they either all die, or begin civilazation again.
The biggest overall issue they had was getting lazy with character arcs in general, but killing them off too fast. Viewers get attached to characters, then they kill them. There's a time and a place to kill main characters, and many of them were killed either completely prematurely (Andrea, Beth, Tyreese), or arguably prematurely (Merle).
Idk about Tyrese, he dies early in the comics but he is introduced way before and he is way important there. Another character killed prematurely was Dale, the guy lived till 3 more seasons in the comics, would have loved to see him in those situations in the show
@@diegozuniga6122 I don't think that it's a fair comparison directly comic vs show, anyways.
They made it pretty clear from early on that they weren't following comic material, although they used it as a source for a lot of in-story stuff.
Tyresse, Andrea, Beth, and Merle all died stupidly in my opinion.
I feel like Merle should have been the one to die at the Circle for Daryl's mistake, not Glenn.
I was literally just beginning to actually like Merle and then he just died 😢
It may have also been worth mentioning how the spinoffs were announced before the conclusion of the show. Really took out a lot of the suspense out of the final season. The reapers arc in season 11 was also a pretty big blunder, though there is speculation that was the result of AMC pulling the plug when producers & writers were already planning for a season 12, and as a result had to condense the season drastically to fit in the commonwealth arc. If that's the case, we can add that to the list of controversies.
It's strange how much AMC blundered through the production of TWD and yet it's still so popular... they really toed the line with how reckless they were (are.)
Omg yes
I'm just pissed Rosita died. She was my favorite after Rick, Michonne.
@@davids1391 Yes, Rosita dying and that girl losing her arm are so unecessary twists. It doesn't add anything to the story, it doesn't shock, it does nothing. It's only for the sake of consequence.
@@dangelocake2635 Well, Rosita dying wasn't even supposed to happen, but the actress wanted one final send-off for her character.
Yep, Glen's death did it for me. The social dynamics changing and the old guard being replaced with new characters i felt no connection to ruined the show for me.
Don't get me wrong, Negan is an amazing actor and i love the character he plays. But yeah, it became increasingly hard to care about all of these new characters that were constantly being cycled and killed off.
Yeah the show made a mistake killing so many characters and replacing them with others just to kill them too
I can agree with that being a mistake killing off carl. It's very similar to the decision to kill Prim at the end of The Hunger Games in the book. It removed the purpose for EVERYTHING we went through in the three books. The WHOLE reason for the series to exist was the protection of Prim.
The thing that killed the walking dead isn't one thing, but it's a multitude of things. One of those things was the writing and progression of the series. The Walking Dead felt very "immature" with its writing. Instead of actually exploring how much society has truly collapsed, how other people cope with its collapse, and it's eventual comeback, they instead focused on "shocking" the audience with grand gestures. I think this is the main reason why The Walking Dead became so trigger happy when it came to its characters dying. Instead of creating drama that would actually be compelling to follow, they resort to "pulling a rabbit out of a hat." I wonder what great things would've come out of the series if Frank was still working on it.
Thanks for writing that, it definitely reflects the giant problematic undertones I notice while having watched the show. There were certainly a multitude of things that lowered the standards of TWD. Sometimes it's just incredibly hard to dismiss or make excuses for, so it seems like AMC slipped more into that deep-end as they ran out of material to screw around with.
@@boop004 which is sad considering they struck gold with the perfect creative team, but amc was out for greed. Queue the breaking bad meme “WE HAD A GOOD THING GOING WITH DARABONT BUT YOU JUST HAD TO BE THE MAN. YOU AND YOUR PRIDE AND YOUR EGO”
Season 10 was awful didn’t like the writing there parts of 9 too
What I also hated about the writing is the lack of consistency, it's as if they didn't even remember what they wrote
I think Carl's death was the biggest mistake in killing the main characters of the show. Because when the story of Walking Dead started, the summary of the story was this: Rick wakes up from a coma and looks for his family: Carl and Lori...
In fact, Rick's family was one of the main parts of the story because it gave Rick a lot of motivation to move forward and build the future and try to survive. Among Rick's family, Carl was the most important person... and Rick always did the hardest, worst and bravest things to save... When Carl died, it was as if a part of Rick's personality was lost... Carl was not just a separate character. ...He was a part of Rick...an important part of Rick's reason and hope for life...
Therefore, killing Carl dealt one of the biggest blows to the show... Carl's absence created a hole in the story that new characters could not fill.
I think this is true... Carl's death had a bad effect on Andrew, and it seems that he also felt that the series is not the same as before, that's why he wanted to leave.
Regarding Andrea, I think the choice of the actress for the role of Andrea was wrong... and this wrong choice made Andrea's character not like a comic!
Glenn's death was very bad... not only was his death sad, but the way Glenn was killed was very cruel. At least they could have given this character some respect... and given him a better death...
I stopped watching The Walking Dead when Carl died......
Definitely Rick's absence in the story was not only wrong but awful... Walking Dead is a character driven story and just look the main character is gone from the story... It's like a joke..
This problem is from the AMC because they did not want to end the series on time and even agreed to continue it until the main actor got tired and left the Walking Dead!!!!
I feel like Carls death was much more disrespectful literally a child made it this long in a zombie apocalypse literally lost his eye just for them to kill him off with a walker that’s just not fair to his character it was as if they put 0 thought into his death
@@lyssa5606 Yes... true I agree with you... he was the only and most important kid from the first...
The actor who played Carl also wanted to try something else than acting
I think Glenn’s death was necessary. A season 1 character needed to go and that had to be either Glenn or Maggie. Glenn had no more use in the show unless they killed Maggie off, but Maggie still had some plot lines left so they killed Glenn instead. Without a season 1 death, Negan and the saviors wouldn’t have been seen as such a big threat. Also, Rick was getting too cocky and needed to be humbled.
In my own opinion they should’ve done better with the zombie and it ok for some good character to die like carl & glenn or other, people need to see not everyone can survive. they should’ve kill them in the last season. But People are greedy wanting to be an actor or play by their rule type of situations. Like i don’t know it an ok show. i never had like it in the beginning. I like learning more information so i can practice like them
It honestly puzzles me why people got so annoyed over Glenn dying. Granted I hated seeing it happen - but following the comics...... I sort of had a feeling it was going to happen. It also set the tone for somewhat humbling Rick, as well as opening up Season 7 to the threat of the Saviors. Also with other supporting characters, although a big loss, it wasn't a pivotal one
However I personally tapped out when Carl died and never watched another episode after that. I'm aware that Judith became the de facto "future" of the apocalypse, but at that point like others had mentioned, also killed a part of Rick in the sense that he basically put forward an oath to ensuring his survival (Up til the end of the comic where Rick met his end). Very crummy way to kill off a character, and a very pivotal one at that
To each their own though. Ultimately I think this video is spot on. This series was doomed once Frank Darabont was fired
I stopped watching when Glenn died because at that point in the show he was the only character I found interesting.
Edit: I don't think it was a bad decision because the actor wanted to move on from the show and it's iconic but my wavering interest was fully gone at that point.
I can care less about the comics. They didn't have to kill off Glenn in the show, and the death was very lame. I do get satification though that it was the jump the shark moment for TWD.
i wouldnt have been as mad if glenn's death did follow the comics but it didnt, abraham died first and glenn only died because of a dumb choice daryl made. made his death seem so preventable and unnecessary where as before at least he was the one giving up his life so no one else in the group had to. but why i really wanted glenn to skip his comics death is because his TV portrayal of the character ended up being so much more than the comics character ever was. i felt like everyone would have been so happy to see him survive, instead a favorite character leaves and most people cite it as the reason they stopped watching
@@jamesbell1613 How was Glenn's death lame? It was easily one of the most brutal, shocking, emotional and memorable moments on the entire show.
@@joshuanelson6795 It was very obvious and clearly a jump the shark moment.
Carl was a serious asset to the community. He was making moves, taking risks that made the show exciting to watch. This is my only grievance about the show. I would have loved to see Carl’s influence on Judith as well.
AMC firing the man behind the cinematic translation of both Shawshank Redemption and Green Mile was criminally stupid. Darabont knows how to honor source material while making the subtle changes to move a written medium into a theatrical medium, and the seeds of every other stupid decision came from not having him at the helm. The killing off of Andrea, the Hospital Arc & Beth's death while simultaneously cutting off the epic Cannibal story arc in one episode, that stupid dumpster scene, the stupid cliffhanger season finale, the forced Michone/Rick relationship. I tried to keep being fan with these dumb decisions; but when Carl lifted up his shirt to show that bite wound I literally turned off the tv and walked out of the room. I quit TWD right then and never watched another episode, I never actually saw them kill off Carl, coworkers confirmed it and I was officially out. Cheers to the content kid, solid video.
oh they dragged his death out too im pretty sure it was a whole episode of him crying and whining to rick and michonne with him later shooting himself in cabin with rick sitting outside waiting for the gunshot, such bs
best comment ever
Hey Spooky.....can you imagine just how GREAT this show could have been if they kept Frank in charge. What a lost opportunity. So sad.
@@shelbyindianajones3226 You get it Shelby. What a great missed opportunity. We all lost on this one.
I agree with everything but the Rick and Michonne relationship. It was organic and made sense. Rick and Jessie relationship seemed forced and rushed
Glenn getting killed while shocking was expected. I personally didn't mind him dying. But Carl unexpectedly getting killed off in such a nonchalant way really killed my interest in the show. They really did him dirty imo. Then Rick leaving the show really sealed the deal for me. While I expected Rick to die in the end, I also expected Carl to still be alive. I really felt like the show was about Carl growing up in the walking dead world. Growing and maturing into this person that the world made him in to. I quit watching the show after they killed Beta and they meet that crazy purple haired lady in the city.
I’m not going to lie, purple hair girl did turn me off lol
Hiring Jeffrey Dean Morgan to play Negan and firing Chandler Riggs were what destroyed the show.
I personally think they should have put the last 3 seasons into 1 season to make it all fit more. Cause after carl died the best option would be to end the series a season later. Without rick having to die
I always frame it like this.
I look at watching the decline of TWD as being on a bus on your way to work.
When they killed Glenn, I started looking around for familiar landmarks, knowing my stop was coming up soon.
When they killed Carl, I stood up and held on to the railing.
When Rick left the show that’s when I was like “YEP, this is my stop. Time to get off”
This is a creative explanation ngl
Me and my family loved watching this series SO MUCH. Then while waiting for the next episodes, we saw a picture spoiler where Glenn was dying/had died. We got so disappointed, we stopped anticipating for the show anymore. After not watching TWD for months, we thought it couldn't get worst, we heard Carl also died. 🤡 So much wasted potential 🤦
@@1sugarplum971 they started doing too much and took too many good characters Away. Couldn’t expect their core fan base to stick around after that.
Damn good analogy
Yo fr. Definitely. You put it so well! After Rick was seemingly killed off, that’s when my family and I stopped watching FOR REAL
Pointless deaths that killed the show for me. Beth, Carl, Enid.
They should of had all the actors turning to the camera & saying “ First you get rid of Frank now your killing off Carl “ this is ludicrous 😂
While I was saddened by Glenn's death, I kept watching, anxiously awaiting the payback on Negan. When they failed to bash his brains in, it felt to me like a big build-up to a huge letdown. Still, I watched on. Then came the Whisperers. Ugh. Compared to earlier seasons, the whole concept of people wearing skin masks and doing silly walks just seemed comical. That combined with the loss of Rick caused me to bail. After all, it really was his story.
I mean, Negan does carry the show after Rick left
it's weird I really thought i wouldn't like it based on clips i watched, but then I tried S9 and I like it and even like Negan who was the reason I stopped watching the show. I hate S7 so much I quit after 8x01. I just recently started watching cuz Rick is coming back, and I watched 8's last three/four episodes, skipping most of the pointless dialogue. Anyhow S9 turned out to be decent all things considered. Rick leaving was really stupid, but after he left I thought I would stop as I only came back to see his last episodes. Weirdly I found myself enjoying the show again. I'm about to finish S9. Maybe I'm just desperate.
To this day Carl's death still doesn't make sense
Star wars & the walking dead both ruin by Hollywood mediocre woke. The corruption will never change
Was so happy when he got killed
Regarding Negans introduction kills, I think that if only Abraham died, it would’ve made his much more impactful as no one cares about his death as everyone cries over Glenn, and it would’ve been interesting to see how Glenn would’ve fit during the all out war
I wanted Abe to die at the end of season 6 to give that time to be like damn negan is Fr for us to come back and think eveyone was safe only for them to kill Glenn as wel. Would’ve gave them both their respected time for their deaths…
Should have killed Daryl instead of Glen tbh
@@treehuggergames8438 holy shit, I have never seen this suggestion before. That would have been a fantastic way of doing it
I cared about Abraham’s death, he was one of my favorite characters
@@fortuneia definitely one of the most loved characters in the entire show! Everything he did had a purpose even tho at one point he gave up, he still did everything for the sake of man kind. Even right before he died he was willing to give his life for the sake of the group!
I think CArl's death was a critical point. Rick lived for him and pushed himself in bad or good behavior for his son. I've never stopped to watch the show that I love. I loved Daryl Dixon spin off too. But I had a Hard time to keep going on when Lincoln left the show
I hate the fact they killed of carl before he finally started to get interesting. Its my favorite character in the comics because of his bond with Negan and the whole whisper war part as well.
But they killed him off before they even could get to that part which i will never understand
I actually think the reason The Hospital Arc is as bad as people make it out to be is because A. Beth died, making everything that happened pointless and B. Dawn and her corrupt cops feel like early apocalypse villains (people that naïve would theoretically make as long as Seasons 1&2, not survive all the way until Season 5). If Beth had lived, then that arc could have been remembered as the arc that turned Beth into a darker character who even Maggie was afraid of during The Wolves, No Way Out, and The Whisperers, but instead she died for shock value and you could argue that the Tyrese death the next episode is what caused the drop in viewership for Season 6 which resulted in AMC doing the Negan Cliffhanger, which THEN led to Carl's death (Scott Gimple was a lazy storyteller and AMC thought that this would cause headlines and get the viewers back) and with Chandler Riggs' firing, came Andrew's exit.
The Negan cliffhanger, being not long after the dumpster debacle, is what caused me to stop watching.
Both were insulting to the audience's intelligence, and I had hit my breaking point.
I have been a comic reader since before the show started, so I knew what was going on there, but it was just the fact that they thought THAT was how to end the sixth season of the most-watched show on television, and were just so certain that they would get away with it.
If they had just shown him pick Abraham and didn't do that insanely cheesy first person view wirh blood running down the screen, I might not have checked out there.
But, the only episode I've watched since that one was the season 7 premier because I wanted to see Glenn's death in live action.
Since then, I've just watched some highlights, namely scenes that were in the comics.
They royally screwed the pooch with this show.
@@TheOriginalTaterbug If I did the show, then there wouldn’t have been a cliffhanger, the last episode would have been 2 hours. No cliffhanger. This is Negan’s episode. Also, the whole Glenn thing is really dumb. I’d straight up cut all of that episode and just have everyone get back to Alexandria, because that episode is meaningless and also creates another God awful cliffhanger with the No Way Out story. Pushing No Way Out to Episode 9 was just dumb and also resulted in the removal of the Carl Eye Arc from the comics.
@@gfilmer7150 Oh, I'm absolutely with you. The ending should've been EXACTLY where the comic issue ended: Negan walking off casually and saying,"Ta ta."
But, the VERY LEAST they could've done was shown who he picked if they were going to stray from the source material there.
You're absolutely right that it was Negan's episode, and they dumped all over it for shock value and a murder mystery Twitter hashtag.
Yeah, the Glenn thing was just putrid.
I was fine with them deviating from the comics for things because it gave me more incentive to watch the show, but Scott M. Gimple ruined everything. He's the only showrunner who might be as dense as David and Dan from Game of Thrones.
@@TheOriginalTaterbug They also cut the follow up bits of everyone grieving over Glenn’s death which I wish they could’ve kept.
@@gfilmer7150 Oh, MAN, I really hated that they didn't show that.
There were some small things like that which should've been kept in to add to the narrative.
It's one thing reading the comics and seeing their responses to events, but I always enjoyed seeing how the actors would bring them to life.
And, that was a pretty significant event.
Agreed 👍, when they killed Carl it was 💯 game over! We could forgive all the shortcomings, the boring plots the days of our lives drama , the identity politics but when they killed the central story arc off with Carl they self deleted their own show 🤦🏼
What central story?
@@deckzone3000 the comic was all about protecting carl. They botched 1 of the most important parts of the comic, as well as screwing themselves out of an actual good spin off. Sucks cause he was becoming a decent actor late in the show
@@Brent22 The show isn't the comic. Carl wasn't the center of anything before he was killed off.
@@deckzone3000 well thats obvious that there different. Carl was the center of the show for Ricks character maybe not the entire show. he was supposed to be alive when rick "died" (which also doesn't happen in the comics) Ricks goal the entire show was to "find and protect" his family. Had carl lived to season 11, they would have a big time spin off coming. Instead we got some garbage neegan and maggie show (doesnt look bad but why they always forced to be together) and Daryl in france. They could have done a whole carl spin off. More people quit watching the show when carl died than glen. Shit was the most botched death in the show.
@@deckzone3000 and that’s why the show isn’t as good
Dale dying and leaving early was a direct result of firing the original showrunner as well. I really wonder what kind of show we would've got otherwise if he was never fired or not allowed to do what envisioned
Carls death was the worst. Glenn’s actor wanted to leave but carls actor bought a house and planned to stay
Killing Carl is definitely #1. Carl is right there til the end in the comics. Nuff said.
Killing Jesus was a bigger mistake.
@@deckzone3000 But that's exactly how he died in the comics, no?
@@lugeo Jesus survives the comics
Biggest mistake of the show was killing off Beth. She was turning into a harden survivor and broke into Daryl’s hard shell. They had awesome screen chemistry.. Only death other than Glenn’s that devastated me 🥺
Also she was kinda nice to look at if you know what i mean... SAD
@@p1tz0n16 😂😂.. now this guy gets it 👏🏼👏🏼
Glenn's death was the worst for me, but I got some satisfaction knowing that lame death was the jump the shark moment for the show.
I left watching the show after Carl's death. He was probably my favourite character
Glenn's death was the best thing ever happened to this show
I agree that the biggest mistake was the killing off of Carl. I saw a picture of an all grown up Carl, and he looked so great. And the thought of him eventually being the leader was awesome. But no, they killed him off. I continued watching TWD until the finish, but I still get upset when I think about Carl dying. Big... hugh mistake.
I truly think the actors and the team and the crew were as baffled as much as the viewers, because the acting were lacklustre they seemed just as flabbergasted and confused as we were watching Carl being killed off in such a ridiculous way ! Looking at each other in the tunnel . I thought someone was going to look at the camera and say “ what’s happening this is ludicrous “ 😮
What gets me about Carl’s death is that if they knew they weren’t going to stick to the comics why did they kill Glen off. They shot themselves in the foot and have no one to blame but the writers for the decline of twd fan base.
it was all very successful they don't give a rat's ass what you think or the other snowflakes.
Def Carl's death did it for me, there's simply no TWD without that father-son relationship. After so many years, we all saw Carl's character grow and be built to take on his father's leadership role. I was left with the feeling... well now what?
Killing Carl off was definitely a nail in the coffin. And to add insult to injury, saddiq later died, which was why Carl was sacrificed. It felt like Carls death had no meaning.
I wish there was some way to rewrite history and bring Carl back but I know it’s impossible.
Agree, I was thinking about it today ironically, after watching the latest spinoff, the one based in Manhattan and I still felt what were they thinking of “killing of such a brilliant character. It was totally illogical
Yep. I totally agree that killing off Carl was the "killing blow" to TWD. I watched all 11 seasons, but it was never the same after Chandler Riggs was forced out. (I mean, it wasn't his decision to leave and the timing of it was just... Wrong... It definitely made the higher ups of production look really bad, especially since he'd just turned 18, and other things.) Although I loved the way he went out. Enjoying his time with toddler Judith, having the sunshine on his face, doing whatever he could to make sure his overextended family was safe, and even making Rick and Michonne wait outside until he "took care of himself" so they wouldn't have to shoot their own son in the head. This is why we'll miss Carl Grimes forever.
True... Killing Carl was so stupid
My concerns about the show center around how Michonne just left her 2 tender-age children who are struggling daily with life and death issues, to try to find Rick. And Maggie looks at the big picture so often, her kid was always the responsibility of someone other than his mother. What MOM would do these things?
Yes!
I know right? And then the last season finale, Daryl and Maggie thought it was a good idea to let a 9 year old judith help with the final battle, only for her to shot at 5 minutes later.
And then maggie leaves him and Adam who she adopted when Alden died to go see how it is somewhere else with negan and worse she drags Daryl into it making him leave judith and rj who he basically is a father too....to go to paris to see how it all started. And find a way to end it
For me, Glenn and Carl’s deaths didn’t cause me to lose interest in TWD originally-it was Rick leaving. No Rick, no Walking Dead for me. I eventually went back and finished watching the show on Netflix and yeah…I didn’t miss much. I am glad they decided to keep Ezekiel alive, though, as he was one of the very few truly good people on that show.
For me, Carl's death definitely made me lose interest the most. You have to think, Rick's pretty much ONLY goal throughout the whole series was protecting his family and making sure they survive, and we got completely robbed of that. The ending of the comic is literally beautiful, as it's Carl carrying on his dad's legacy and telling the story of his dad to his daughter, meaning Rick accomplished his one true goal. Watched every single new episode the day they aired with my mom ever since the beginning until that very episode, because the whole point of the show and the goal was lost. Haven't watched a single episode since.
Season 2 story of the search for Carol's daughter, when they found her and how they found her pissed me off and at the same time was a good story, with a huge hard punch to the nuts.
I distanced myself after Glenn's death, even though I knew it was coming. But when Carl died, that was it, I was done. I've only seen clips of the show after that.
People stated they stopped watching as soon as Glenn died. What they didn't say was they stopped watching because the scene was too brutal and graphic to continue on with the show. My wife and niece can validate that opinion. I also want to point out we never followed the comic books. In fact I started watching from the beginning starting in April of 21 after much coaxing from family members. I'm now on my third round. I admit I'm addicted.
I felt pandering to the comic books too much was a mistake with the show. Should have taken a different approach. It's not like the rest of the show was remotely the same...
Exactly! Who cares about the comics...
What happened in season 2 was that AMC was not ready to spend a lot of money on the series after the first season. The first season had been given a lot of funding and hence we saw a lot of scenes with various backgrounds and sets, but is season 2, there was only one set and max 4 characters on the screen
That says a lot about the series potential, the season with less founding and production behind is still one of the best till this day
Most people know by now, but The reason Chandler Riggs (carl) ceased being in the show was because Chandler at the time wanted to focus on College, However when he wanted to return to the show later on (only a couple of weeks/few months) the showrunner had already written all the scripts for Carl's Death (This was all said by Chandler on one of his twitch streams) and so unfortunately Chandler wouldn't be making it back in the show (as carl) he did have a background appearance in one of the episodes as a worker kinda like a cameo/nod sorta thing
In my opinion pretty much as soon as Carl left it kinda killed any future this show had because while TWD tv series didn't follow the comics, it was indeed pretty much carl that was the future of the show because once rick gets weaker its up to carl to stand up as a new leader
There are many things that made Carl’s death so insulting one of them was how grimy they did Chandler Riggs They barely gave him any story despite being a main character alive in the comics and a respected major character in the comics (especially during the Negan storyline) and dubbed as The John Connor of The Walking Dead Andrew Lincoln years ago said that if Rick were to be killed off the way he’d want it is for it to be Carl that put him down He can never get that wish of what he felt was best for the character Then by Season 8 they performed a whole character switch as if Season 7 Carl didn’t want All the smoke Like he wasn’t the one who was like y’all got me fucked up and popped off the battle at Alexandria Now don’t get me wrong Carl was also a sympathetic person he was always trying to help people even if it meant going against his father so the Siddiq storyline doesn’t bother me as it’s in character of him But to change him from Mr Knuck If You Buck at the end of Season 7 to We Are The World during Season 8 without any form of transition or development is absolutely ludicrous and absolutely poor storytelling It made no sense And to kill him off the way they did it was disrespectful I get they wanted to do the Anyone can get bit at anytime all it takes is a second shit but it was still trash if you were going to kill don’t give him that basic ass death.
Now onto the controversy of this whole fuckery Now most fans were upset by the killing of Carl Now Chandler was now 18 years old He has just graduated from high school so most fans assumed that he wanted to leave especially since we knew he was headed for college (he was also doing producing music for fun) with the idocity of Carl’s death instead of sending him away for a possible return despite were hurt fans respected Chandlers decision They did a whole big thing on The Talking Dead on his final episode and everything he’s on there talking about him going to college and everything Makes sense He grew up on the show Maybe he wanted his future to be something different Skip to the next day Chandlers pissed off father spills the tea that Chandler didn’t quit he was FIRED Scott Gimple had told Chandler before the new Season that he wanted him for at least 3 more years He agreed to stay on the show chose to attend college in Georgia and even brought a house between the show and and his school so he could be able to do both Scott Gimple knew this and said nothing Chandler had no warning about his death In fact the reason he found out only two episodes before was because Gimple came to the set and told him while they were filming the unknown bite scene and needed him to give off the right expressions for when they showed the flashback reveal So imagine finding out you’re being killed off as you’re filming the scene Imagine after being told you’re being kept made your college decision and noise based on it so you can continue your job only to be fired From my understanding Chandler decided to take a year off before starting college afterwards (I don’t know if he ever went) When fans found out they were pissed Casual viewers probably still don’t know this information So not only did they unnecessarily kill off Carl for (spoilers) it wasn’t even Chandlers decision He wanted to stay on the show planned his whole around it so he was able to do so only to get screwed over A major theory about why was because had now turned 18 and with that and being a main cast member his contract was to be done with a pay increase as he was no longer a minor They simply didn’t want to pay him especially what he deserved so they got rid of him Because they didn’t pay up And honestly you can tell his departure left a mark on not only the show but definitely the actors.
Scott Gimple almost go a diss track from my ass because of this fuckery lol.
Carl being the one to put down Rick sounds kinda awesome considering that Carl is also the one who put down both Lori AND Shane...
World's longest sentences. 🤯
honestly I was with you for the first few lines but I couldn't read anymore of this. Please add periods to the end of sentences and commas where needed. I cannot follow this.
Based on how badly AMC screwed Frank over budget wise I'd bet money that they fired Chandler to avoid paying him more
That was definitely the case but also because Chandler was vocal in complaining about his pay he was an example for the rest of the actors. When AMC resigned everyone to their contracts they put a clause in that they only got paid a pro rated amount of their contracts based on their on camera time. That's why you started to see the structure of the show change where the storylines concentrated on smaller groups of the cast for 3 or 4 episodes at a time to save money.
i agree, i finally stopped after carl’s death. i truly tried to stick around even after losing the coolest guy in the show, it just seemed like they didn’t care so much anymore with what they were making
It probably is Carl’s death especially since like you said that might be connected to Rick leaving. His death was also so pointless. They tried so hard to make his death meaningful, but he died fighting walkers he didn’t have to fight. I also don’t understand why people were so upset about Glenn’s death. I stopped watching the first time sometime after Alexandria. I went back later and was upset that I stopped before the Saviors were introduced because they were honestly one of, if not the best antagonists.
What? I don't remember too well but I'm pretty sure the issue was not the hospital. The mistake was Maggie searching for Glen. As if Beth didn't exist. Yes Glen searching for Maggie is fine. And the whole romance aspect of both searching for eachother is great. But the one thing overriding that would have been Maggie's worry for her sister more than anything. Yet it made no sense the story of her concerned about Glen. Not at all Beth.
I think she though beth couldnt have possibly made it being weak as she thought she was...but she knew glen git out even though he didnt. And im pretty sure she even said to her it felt beth was dead. But that was bs. Herschel would have wanted her to find beth as much as glen. She betrays her father with that
Nah, still those episodes and arc were good and had a great conclusion that lead to Terminus and everything that happened there, the Hospital arc was boring and led anywhere, killing off a character that had so much potential making all his time on screen a waste of time
NGL, when Glenn died I think everyone who enjoyed the show was heart broken. I quit around Glenns death but decided to continue from all the cool scenes in your videos. But when carl died... That was the last straw.
Totally agree with you! Killing off Carl makes no sense!
Also, with the way they dealt with Carls death was ludicrously This was a character that had survived since a little boy that was the Ark of the story. His father came to find him and gave him his police hat. As in you are me, and I am you and we are going to survive this also the whole story of his mother having the affair with Ricks best friend and where the Carl fitted into that complicated situation was Rick son Carl !
His character was all too important for him to be killed off.
still totally confused by what they did who made the final that decision
I can’t believe the crew were happy with killing Carl off as so many of us are unhappy with it, there must of been people unhappy with it working within the program. He had survived from a little child. He literally grown up in the walking dead world. I don’t believe he would’ve just got bitten following a new character. It just seemed incredibly poor writing and you could tell the actor’s and the rest of the team was thinking what’s going on because the acting when it was happening in the tunnel were incredibly flat and I think the crew and the actors was baffled as we were.
I dont think Glenn's death was necessarily a mistake. It could have been written better, since it did overshadow Abraham's death. However, Glenn's death was great for story development but it was painful since glenn was the glue of the show
Glenn in the comics died by the same thing in the show, so I guess it makea sense.
@@Bowlore another thing Glenn I think is still the only character to get their comic book death too
I was fine with glenn's death, it was sad and gut wrenching as hell but at least it made sense of how brutal the walking dead universe can be. Carl's death was definitely unacceptable tho
Yeah I feel like if there wasn't the god awful cliffhanger the negan kills would have been received better. If they had shown Abraham's death on the final episode of season six, and then killed Glenn at the start of season seven, Abraham's death wouldn't have been overshadowed as much. Plus, the dumpster fake-out was really stupid lol.
@@Jack.Martson theres alot more that got it, like Axel, one of the prisoners in season 3 in the comics and the show he got shot in the head by woodbury soldiers
Besides all these decisions and mistakes i still think that they made one of the best shows of all time
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Except for the treatment of firearms, yes. Whoever there firearms expert is, they don't have the slightest clue about how firearms work and what they do. Now, this might just be a hollywood thing in general. But it caused me to quit for awhile after the prison battle and come back and catch up later. Here's a tip for the "experts." Bullets do not bounce off filing cabinets, especially without even leaving a dent. And most bullets do not spark because they are copper and lead. And they don't spark on dirt. ANY rifle bullet is going to shoot through a filing cabinet like it's not there except maybe a 22 long rifle. Also, magazines don't have 300 rounds each.
@@Clearanceman2 dude what
@@DingleJingle69 I can't explain it any more clearly except the characters on the show do magic things with guns all the time. Impossible, magic, ridiculous things with guns. It's every bit as annoying as the side of the roads being mowed. No, it's more annoying.
@@Clearanceman2 outside of early season one thats 100 percent true, @obsessed Oreo Smith everytime rick has ever touched that ak he fires like 300 rounds through it. A, barrels espically on AK's dont last forever, 20,000-30,000 rounds and you may as well have a late 1800s rifled musket. Don't count muzzle flashes or tracers, count the brass.
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new viewer here, bingewatched the show last month. i couldn't believe Carl got killed off the way he did, and immediately went searching to find out what happened behind-the-scenes bc i knew it wasn't just a natural or long-term planned death. the fact that it also killed Rick's purpose which led to Andy leaving the show was even worse, forcing myself to finish the series without Rick was such a painful slog. what a waste.
I genuinely couldn't watch anymore when Negan came in. The killing became too much for me. It was no longer about the world and the characters. It was all about murder.
The biggest mistake was giving the show to AMC. What AMC did to the main show and then later fear was so lame to see.
Carl dying is what did it for me...I continued to watch to the end, but I wasn't a die-hard fan anymore. I thought they fired him because he wasn't great at acting, lol. But the Rick-Carl relationship was the whole point of watching. S5 was definitely my favorite.
Finally somebody that's not delusional and knows they fired Chandler because he's a horrible actor.
He was about to turn 18 so they would have started paying him as an adult, but why would they pay a lot of money to an actor that isn't good at their job?
@@marianunez2442 I remember the episode in s5, I think it was, when he got into a slap fight with Porch Dick's son....ugh horrible! But ya know I figured if they could hold on to Norman Reedus for so long and all he did for a lil while is grunt...I thought maybe they could give him a moment/guidance to improve, lol. I would've liked to have seen his transformation into the Carl storyline from the comics. I get the feeling AMC got super greedy once they realized they had a popular show on their hands. I notice Steven Yeun has not returned for any reason, lol and that says alot to me. He didn't want to be included for Rick's flashbacks or the series finale. They had Chandler in the BACKGROUND in the finale episode! Playing a nameless character sweeping up...geez!
I love Carl’s character development and his role on the show. I’m still sad about the fact they had to kill Carl. Most people said they’d stop watching if glenn died. I can’t really blame them, Glenn was such a cool character on the show, besides his character improvement, he had such a role of not leaving anyone behind like it wasn’t even a choice and has a great soul. I’m pretty disappointed in that but i can’t really do anything about it so i just accepted it. Then another death came and it had to be Carl.
Killing glen killed my heart
Killing Carl killed my soul
Now and then I check in on the show/Twd universe if they ever kill Daryl they’ll kill my sanity
My whole family and I used to watch every single episode together since Season 2. We stopped regularly watching when Abe and Glenn died but I completely gave up on the show when Carl died
Carl and Glenn were definitely defining moments. They were viewer favorites! To see them die was too much for many fans.
the thing i never understood was sidiq's death. his trauma from the heads on pikes scene was made into an entire episode about him mostly, then he just dies next episode. he was also a big main character in my opinion, he was the only thing left of carl.
I'm still wondering what the full story is behind Chandler Riggs' exit. They were setting him up to be a long term cast member and then just decided to cut him loose. Something happened and no one seems to have any idea what it was.
Edit: Nevermind. "Ultimately, Riggs was axed from The Walking Dead not because the actor was ready to leave or the character was out of stories, but because former showrunner Scott M. Gimple needed to give Rick some motivation to keep Negan (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) around." So basically they fucked him over only to end up losing Andrew Lincoln as well. Serves them right.
He just left to go to college, and they see that has an opportunity to do the time jump it would not have worked with him not ageing 7 years.
I've stopped watching the Walking Dead three times, the hospital arc, Glen's death, and Carl's death. I wasn't even a huge fan of Carl, but I do feel he was important to the show. I kept watching after Rick left, but mostly because I was so far in anyway. I think you got this one right.
I loved glen cause he was basically me when the show started and become pretty much the same dude I was when he died, a man who loves his family and wife so much that in his dying moment he said he'd find her knowing he would be pulled away from her yet again but this time in death. I would of done the exact same thing if I was killed like that in front of the future mother of my child. Let her know, yes am leaving but we will find each other again and not even death can stop that. So his death hurt me pretty bad, I didn't stop watching because I get why the character had to die. It pushed things along in the comics and did the same in the show, if nothing ever changes and no one ever dies things never change and the story doesn't move forward.
I don’t think glens death was a reason the show spiralled since it was apart of the comics that’s how the story was meant to go. Carl and Rick leaving the show ended up killing it in my opinion, following side characters the whole rest of the show was a huge letdown and the only characters we had from the original group Daryl, Carol, Maggie and Michonne were always randomly split up for stupid reasons, Maggie disappeared completely and all the characters who you did really like Negan, Judith and rosita always had like 10 minutes of screen time every 6 episodes
Never ending theraphy sessions between characters was the worst for me. Plus i think it would be very interesting to see Karl's future development, he was the 1 character who grew up in Apocalypse
While I loved Negan, I found him completely unbelievable in this universe.
Why?
@@diegozuniga6122 ~ I get that he was created with a bat and a smile but I always thought he was too thin. If he’s Thin make him look like he was actually diabolical. But they didn’t.
I really like the actor, too. Just not here.
@@izzojoseph2 Thin as in skinny? That's completely unbelievable to you? I guess he does look bigger in the comics
@@diegozuniga6122 ~ yeah. Don’t get me wrong. I’ve know some bad asses that were very skinny. But I’m saying the costume designers could’ve gotten a jacket that fits😂.
I realize they were paying him as a sociopath so killing and control for him were fun. He sold that with what they gave him. Just always thought it was a little off
@@izzojoseph2 I mean Jeffrey did got Skinny for that role, he wasn't before. He still isn't that skinny tho, at least when he was a villain but I guess I get your point
So many people say that chandler riggs wanted to leave for some reason, i think they're getting confused with Andrew Lincoln wanting to leave. Apparently Lincoln was talking about leaving before carl died but after that happened he started to sound more serious about it. Chandler riggs definitely didn't want to leave since he bought a house closer to the filming location, why would someone do that if they wanted to leave their job?
Andy was considering it before Chandler was fired, and then when they did and killed Carl off, even Andy knew it was bullshit with how wrong they did Chandler & his character and right then just made it official that he's leaving and didn't sign any new contracts past mid s9, due to the tremendous amount of respect & admiration he had for Chandler who had a genuine friendship off-screen, to the point that Andy wasn't even acting during Carl's final episode. That was 100% real emotion, and I'm right there with him whenever I see that episode.
Glenns death was crucial to the storyline. Glenn had to die. It would have been the biggest mistake if they let Glenn live. But Glenn was such a great character and Steven Yeun did such a great job as an actor portraying glenn which is Why i think it hit the fans the most.
I agree. I don't think fans stopped watching because they were mad they had to let Glenn die but that they were losing such a good actor and just didn't wanna watch it without him there.
Couldn't disagree more! Glenns death was brutal but just great for the story as a whole. Carl was way to prominent and it was more than time to put away with this character. While Negan was an absolutely great highlight! He made the show interresting again and was by far the best villain! But yes - the hospital season was utter crap! I didn't like the whole whisperer thing either.
i will forever be mad at amc for carls death and the reasoning is pathetic
Killing Carl was definitely the worst choice they ever made.
I think they should still go with the fact that Carl got bit by a whisper and have him come back as a grown man saying that car would not let anybody finish him off and he wanted to finish himself off so Rick and Michonne lied about burying
The biggest problem with TWD is that they killed off all the interesting characters, kept too many lame ones, and introduced too many new ones who were simply flat. There were times where I wasn't even sure who the characters were or else just didn't have any attachment to them, so when they were in peril or died, I didn't feel anything. Once the group got into Alexandria, it felt more like a soap opera than a zombie show.