I’ve heard it’s meant to look like he’s an pharaoh. As sort of a meta-parallel on how Egyptian mythology is older then Greek mythology the same way the Titans are older then the Gods.
...Except that after Melinoe beats Chronos for the first time, he outright says that pissing him off is a bad idea when he has her whole family at his mercy, and he's willing to hurt his prisoners just to spite her. Zagreus is being held captive by his insane baby-eating grandfather who has a very personal grudge against his father and sister; he is NOT safe. He is very actively in danger at all times.
@@kakishisfriend1126 I think it was the satyrs since they were doing a lot of sacrifice and deprave stuff in styx we also see them leaving remains which could have been the blood sacrifice. Though I do think it would be funny if Zag’s escape gave him a boost to return.
Love how Chrono's voices has 'two sides overlapping' for lack of a better term. You have the formal humanoid voice on top and a little monstrous otherworldly voice underneath. I adore how it's executed, it makes it feel as if he's so otherworldly even speaking like a person is something he has to emulate and I love the added detail of having the creepy voice become more prominent when he's annoyed or says something disturbing. I just love what this interpretation all around!
“In this at least I shall not fail you.” That makes me wonder if Hecate had something to do with Chronos coming back. Even if it may have been an accident.
Nem says she was Nyx's handmaiden and she failed to prevent what happened to the House of Hades. At the very least, it seems Hekate may have missed a spot check there, or believes she did.
I enjoy immensely that Zagreus is in the "Get the f*** over here you bastard" position when the others clearly didn't have time to move before they were frozen in time. Makes me wonder if he managed to resist just that extra bit longer, and what Chronos said to him during their confrontation.
@@Silver_Godot They use Ixion as the sun and the moon, he was one of the worst criminals in Greek mythology up there with Tantalus, Sisyphus and Lycaon. After all his abhorrent behavior, he fell afoul of Zeus himself who had him chained to a perpetually burning and spinning wheel for all eternity, originally it rotated across the heavens but was later moved to the underworld where Hades has apparently put him up as giant light fixture.
I like that the game didn't shit on Zagreus strength and the only reason Melinoe can fight Chronos while he couldn't is that she's resistant to his time magic, is not like she's stronger or has plot armor, is just that she was trained to even have a chance against him while the others were caught by surprise without the means to resist the time imprisonment
Yeah, I'm glad Supergiant still respects Zagreus. Both through his portrayal and how the other gods talk about him. They understand that people *really* like Zagreus. Any other dev these days probably would have been like "Forget Zagreus! He's old news! Here's his cooler, way more powerful younger sister!" Instead, they pay respect to him as a beloved former protagonist, and explain why he couldn't stand up to Chronos.
Hecate's honestly quite tough if you don't act patient when fighting her. The top thing she teaches you is to keep your distance and emphasizes looking for openings to attack. A lot of enemies have AOE attacks so it's good boss design to teach that early on.
Eh, not the first time for surface-dwellers, they already had an almost eternal winter due to Persephone deciding to go AWOL, besides wasnt Helios the one who is responsible for day and night cycles?
Chaos is the progenitor of everything good and bad across Greek mythology and most overarching concepts were covered by their firstborn or grandchildren. Even though Nyx being the direct daughter of Chaos would have the upperhand in most scenarios, Kronos has the upperhand specifically in time. In this game we use specific spells to resist time in whatever fashion presented in order to aid us. Even then you will notice any boons related to time used against Kronos will get scoffed at or just won't work.
@@ryuvereignnolife3980the day and night cycle is kept intact. We go through the nights in our adventures as melinoe, both to the surface or to tartarus. Im guessing that, since nyx didn't died, the night still happens
Having something of a hard time telling with the effect of the stasis thing, but it's Zagreus, Meg, Dusa, Thanatos, Achilles, and Persephone in them right?
Oh thank God! Then that means Tisiphone must surely be safe somewhere else since she and Alecto wouldn't have been present at The House around this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With this, I am now most certain that my beloved Emerald Tormentor is out there somewhere still going strong! I just hope that she and Alecto are both okay in the middle of this catastrophe!!!!!!! 💚💚💚
@@magnanimousmartyr421 I like to imagine alecto and tisiphone could function as the "supportive ally" for Tartarus, as in the ones who swoop in to help you with a room then give you a buff. Idk if Artemis can help you that far down, never had it happen.
Haven't played the game yet, but I still fine it a bit weird that Nyx is affected by Chronos. If I remember correctly, Nyx can cook him alive if she wants to
I do respect how Chronos handled the rest of the house of Hades. He did not kill them or use them as leverage against Hades, he just froze them in time because he doesn't have any beef with them
i believe (most plausible theory) that she took hypnos' place to protect him - in turn, hypnos must've been too hurt about what happened with his mother that he slept _by force_ so he wouldn't think about it. that, or hypnos still trying to fight in his own dream realm ? maybe morpheus might come in this game? idk
older does not necessarily mean most powerful primordial are not all necessarily more powerful just more fundamental to the universe for example typhon and Zeus, Uranus and typhon are generally considered the strongest in Greek myth in terms of Greek myth but even Zeus wouldn't challenge Nyx in her own domain darkness, as he did not go after Hypnos after he went to his mothers domain a dark cave primordial are not powerful being that control elements, they are embodiments of the elements. but that doesn't make them unbeatable as Nyx would likewise not challenge Zeus if she were away from her domain. Similarly Gaia a primordial of the earth Is not someone who is powerful enough to challenge uranus, Chronos, or Zeus with each time she wanted to face them she gave birth to powerful children to fight them in her stead. tldr primordials and age aren't power levels in Greek mythology there are some gods titans and monsters who are stronger than primordial primordials are just gods who embody important aspects. Titans and Olympians are more like 2 generations of different gods like boomers and millennials.
I find the fact that so many people think like this kind of funny. Here I thought the first game consisted of defeating hades even though we were his son, personally my expectations for this one was that we were gonna defeat chronos even though we are his grand daughter. But no apparently defeating older gods is impossible
If being older meant younger gods couldn’t defeat him, the titans wouldn’t have gotten their asses kicked and usurped by the Olympians to begin with lol
I love this mafia grandfather take on Chronos so much
I’ve heard it’s meant to look like he’s an pharaoh.
As sort of a meta-parallel on how Egyptian mythology is older then Greek mythology the same way the Titans are older then the Gods.
@@level5650 oh yeah 100% just look at his septer and collar.
@@level5650the Greek mythology is not younger than the Egyptian tough
@@matztz_4560Egypt is older I believe.
@@Skadi609 the earliest form of the Greek mythology with the Minoans and the early Greeks are as older as the Egyptian mythology
Hades saying "greetings Father" has very strong Zagreus returning from a failed run early game in Hades 1
The distortion on “eaten” at 2:55 scared the fuck out of me tbh
hot
You simping for that? Where are you guys' survival skills? @@toastee5421
for real, genuine chills from that one
as it should
Me too, this Kronos is very different than what I was expecting, but he is still just as scary.
We finally playing as Hades.......in cutscenes.
Hades acting like a kid that got his hand caught in the cookie jar when he sees Chronos.
At least Zagreus is safe, but...the fact that he couldnt defeat Chronos....means that Chronos is a threat of a WHOLE OTHER level.
and didn't stop without a fight it seems
as I think he's frozen in the "throw cast" pose
@@somedude4087 yep.....which means he was using the spear.
@@SinbadNaiver do they use the same animation? it seems more like the "throw cast" specifically but dunno, was a while since I played hades
@@somedude4087 Hell if i know (pun unintended) i dont work for supergiant.
...Except that after Melinoe beats Chronos for the first time, he outright says that pissing him off is a bad idea when he has her whole family at his mercy, and he's willing to hurt his prisoners just to spite her. Zagreus is being held captive by his insane baby-eating grandfather who has a very personal grudge against his father and sister; he is NOT safe. He is very actively in danger at all times.
"Blood sacrifices"
"Tartarus"
Did Zagreus accidentally resurrect Chronos by spilling all that titan blood in the 1st game?
the titans blood zag gets are bounties posted by Hades, not blood he bottles from the furies.
i think its probably more likely to be the satyrs in styx that did the sacrifices to bring him back, their preists do reinforce him mid bossfight
@@user-ps5ip7le5jdamn stayrs are evil in this series aren’t they.
Yes he freed him by accident
@@kakishisfriend1126 I think it was the satyrs since they were doing a lot of sacrifice and deprave stuff in styx we also see them leaving remains which could have been the blood sacrifice. Though I do think it would be funny if Zag’s escape gave him a boost to return.
Love how Chrono's voices has 'two sides overlapping' for lack of a better term. You have the formal humanoid voice on top and a little monstrous otherworldly voice underneath. I adore how it's executed, it makes it feel as if he's so otherworldly even speaking like a person is something he has to emulate and I love the added detail of having the creepy voice become more prominent when he's annoyed or says something disturbing. I just love what this interpretation all around!
“In this at least I shall not fail you.”
That makes me wonder if Hecate had something to do with Chronos coming back. Even if it may have been an accident.
Probably letting all that titan blood ferment and boil in the first game...
I'm convinved since she was like the Lookout of the House, she fought Chronos after he emerged. But failed. Maybe that's why she wears a mask
Nem says she was Nyx's handmaiden and she failed to prevent what happened to the House of Hades. At the very least, it seems Hekate may have missed a spot check there, or believes she did.
You can actually hear the caring tone in Hades' voice when he asks Chronos what did he do to his family. Won me over completely. 🥰🥰 Love it.
I enjoy immensely that Zagreus is in the "Get the f*** over here you bastard" position when the others clearly didn't have time to move before they were frozen in time. Makes me wonder if he managed to resist just that extra bit longer, and what Chronos said to him during their confrontation.
Well he always was defiant and had a knack for keeping time still at 7:48
@@asdasasdas3476 Ah, yes, the sun dial...
In Tartarus...
Deep underground...
Where there's no fkn sun...
...did trhey ever acnowlege this in dialog?
@@Silver_Godot I think so, also that sun dial may have been the funniest joke of the game
@@Silver_Godot They use Ixion as the sun and the moon, he was one of the worst criminals in Greek mythology up there with Tantalus, Sisyphus and Lycaon. After all his abhorrent behavior, he fell afoul of Zeus himself who had him chained to a perpetually burning and spinning wheel for all eternity, originally it rotated across the heavens but was later moved to the underworld where Hades has apparently put him up as giant light fixture.
Oh you know Chronos introduced himself and probably said more than a few nasty barbs before freezing him completely.
I like that the game didn't shit on Zagreus strength and the only reason Melinoe can fight Chronos while he couldn't is that she's resistant to his time magic, is not like she's stronger or has plot armor, is just that she was trained to even have a chance against him while the others were caught by surprise without the means to resist the time imprisonment
Yeah, I'm glad Supergiant still respects Zagreus. Both through his portrayal and how the other gods talk about him. They understand that people *really* like Zagreus. Any other dev these days probably would have been like "Forget Zagreus! He's old news! Here's his cooler, way more powerful younger sister!" Instead, they pay respect to him as a beloved former protagonist, and explain why he couldn't stand up to Chronos.
Hades' thoughts: "So, this is how Zagreus felt every time I faced him in the throne room."
EVEN DUSA TRIED TO FIGHT BACK !
Spite is a powerful motivator. Be wary of it and respect its pull over the heart.
Was he really so threatened by a floating Gorgon head and her duster?
Yall are fucking fast i havent even defeated hecate yet
If you're having trouble with hecate, you're in for a good time lol
Hecate's honestly quite tough if you don't act patient when fighting her. The top thing she teaches you is to keep your distance and emphasizes looking for openings to attack. A lot of enemies have AOE attacks so it's good boss design to teach that early on.
Was it always an Eight Scribes from Pyre symbol on the jar in front of Hades' quarters?
How did chronos defeat Nyx ?
Also what is happening in the human world if Nyx is stuck in the hades, is it always day ?
Eh, not the first time for surface-dwellers, they already had an almost eternal winter due to Persephone deciding to go AWOL, besides wasnt Helios the one who is responsible for day and night cycles?
Chaos is the progenitor of everything good and bad across Greek mythology and most overarching concepts were covered by their firstborn or grandchildren. Even though Nyx being the direct daughter of Chaos would have the upperhand in most scenarios, Kronos has the upperhand specifically in time. In this game we use specific spells to resist time in whatever fashion presented in order to aid us. Even then you will notice any boons related to time used against Kronos will get scoffed at or just won't work.
I assumed that Chronos threw the denizens of the House into a feedback loop, he didn't defeat them but they cannot act until they're released
@@user-tw6de3nj9khelios the sun is responible for day probably. So I would guess its just day the whole time or its extremely dark at night.
@@ryuvereignnolife3980the day and night cycle is kept intact. We go through the nights in our adventures as melinoe, both to the surface or to tartarus.
Im guessing that, since nyx didn't died, the night still happens
Having something of a hard time telling with the effect of the stasis thing, but it's Zagreus, Meg, Dusa, Thanatos, Achilles, and Persephone in them right?
Correct with Zagreus and Meg getting up in his grill the closest, tallies.
Oh thank God! Then that means Tisiphone must surely be safe somewhere else since she and Alecto wouldn't have been present at The House around this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With this, I am now most certain that my beloved Emerald Tormentor is out there somewhere still going strong! I just hope that she and Alecto are both okay in the middle of this catastrophe!!!!!!!
💚💚💚
@@magnanimousmartyr421 I like to imagine alecto and tisiphone could function as the "supportive ally" for Tartarus, as in the ones who swoop in to help you with a room then give you a buff. Idk if Artemis can help you that far down, never had it happen.
Haven't played the game yet, but I still fine it a bit weird that Nyx is affected by Chronos. If I remember correctly, Nyx can cook him alive if she wants to
Chronos/Cronus slew Nyx's brother Ouranos, and that's without being combined with the primordial Chronos as he is in this game.
@@fahholliday5374 Isn't that only because of Gaia's help? And he was able to harm Ouranos only because of the scythe?
I do respect how Chronos handled the rest of the house of Hades. He did not kill them or use them as leverage against Hades, he just froze them in time because he doesn't have any beef with them
Isn't Nyx older than Chronos? how tf is he strong enough to stop even her.
i believe (most plausible theory) that she took hypnos' place to protect him - in turn, hypnos must've been too hurt about what happened with his mother that he slept _by force_ so he wouldn't think about it.
that, or hypnos still trying to fight in his own dream realm ? maybe morpheus might come in this game? idk
older does not necessarily mean most powerful primordial are not all necessarily more powerful just more fundamental to the universe for example typhon and Zeus, Uranus and typhon are generally considered the strongest in Greek myth in terms of Greek myth but even Zeus wouldn't challenge Nyx in her own domain darkness, as he did not go after Hypnos after he went to his mothers domain a dark cave primordial are not powerful being that control elements, they are embodiments of the elements. but that doesn't make them unbeatable as Nyx would likewise not challenge Zeus if she were away from her domain. Similarly Gaia a primordial of the earth Is not someone who is powerful enough to challenge uranus, Chronos, or Zeus with each time she wanted to face them she gave birth to powerful children to fight them in her stead. tldr primordials and age aren't power levels in Greek mythology there are some gods titans and monsters who are stronger than primordial primordials are just gods who embody important aspects. Titans and Olympians are more like 2 generations of different gods like boomers and millennials.
I find the fact that so many people think like this kind of funny. Here I thought the first game consisted of defeating hades even though we were his son, personally my expectations for this one was that we were gonna defeat chronos even though we are his grand daughter. But no apparently defeating older gods is impossible
If being older meant younger gods couldn’t defeat him, the titans wouldn’t have gotten their asses kicked and usurped by the Olympians to begin with lol
@@abdieljove2011 the olympians needed the help of cyclopses and hecatoncheries.
Someone spoil me, why didn't melinoe grow up with her family?
Chronos took over very soon after she was born.
5:05, "What chance do you have?"
Hades clearly doesn't understand the power of a Girl Boss.
No power as a girl boss in any media since 2015. Greater than anything.
Except for family! She has that too though