Case 200: The Zodiac (Part 1)
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[Part 1 of 4]
During the 1960s, California saw a wave of senseless, unsolved slayings. Cab driver Ray Davis was murdered in cold blood after an anonymous killer warned of his intentions. Two young couples - Robert Domingos and Linda Edwards, and Johnny and Joyce Swindle - were gunned down in separate yet similar attacks.
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Narration - Anonymous Host
Research - Jess Forsayeth and Milly Raso
Writing - Elsha McGill, Erin Munro, Milly Raso and Jess Forsayeth
Creative direction - Milly Raso
Production and music - Mike Migas
Music - Andrew D.B. Joslyn
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Thank you for using my book, HUNTED: the Zodiac murders, in your research of accurate, primary sources. I appreciate you referencing it on your list of resources. Keep up the great work!
Your book is amazing and so are you! Thank you ❤️
Book is full of misleading and inaccurate information. Some of which is hearsay
Thank God you're back! My Saturdays just haven't been the same without you. Any much longer and I'd have spiraled into a decline I'd never have recovered from...lol.
Same 🥺🥺🥺🤕🤕🤕🤕 I’ve been going nuts without them!
Right on Pat !!!
*The*Dude*.... is back...
>8-D Yeeeew !!!
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Me too 🤪
Same! I was stalking their page. We need help 😂
Not much makes me happier than seeing "Pt 1" in a Casefile vid title. 😊
Stoked you're back! 👍🏼🥰
Finally after 2 long months without a video. What a awesome way to start off a Saturday morning.
Unsurpassable! The intro to this video is both heart-breaking and chilling. The story-telling in the rest of it is riveting. Much as I thought I was familiar with this story Casefile as always delivers details I had never heard before. It's going to be a long week waiting for the next installment.
The courageous bravery of Robert Domingues and Johnny Swindle stands in stark contrast to the cowardly attacks of their killer and the phone calls and letters smack of a pathetic need for attention by a narcissistic psychopath who thinks himself superior to others but is in fact a loser, way beneath the victims he claims may they rest in peace.
Great to have you back with a whopper of a case. Can't wait to hear your take on this.
2022 is going to be the year for Casefile!!!
This was fascinating. Never heard of these crimes, and they all sound like Zodiac murders for sure. Very intrigued by the idea that there are a slew of other incidents that go beyond what you would normally hear about if you watched literally any Zodiac documentary. Can’t wait for part two.
California really had it tough from the 60’s to the 80’s. Zodiac, East Area Rapist, Original Night Stalker, Night Stalker, Hillside Stranglers, etc.
Crazy attracts crazy and California has always been pretty crazy.
Cops and security guards get away with murder for pay or play,
so who do you turn to....a crooked politician?
CA is an absolute cesspit of filth and corruption. Last place on earth I'd ever go. Horrible place. Still is.
Oh it's terrible, yet I live for it.
The East Area Rapist and the Original Night Stalker ended up being the same person. His other nickname was The Visalia Ransacker. Now they call him the Golden State Killer. Thank god he was caught.
California really did have it rough.
Greetings and salutations all from Cabbagetown in Toronto and welcome back Casefile and team! It`s 5:53 a.m. here and the bodum and I salute you.
Yay Case Files are back.....love you guys ♡♡♡
Oh how good it is to see you back. Your my 'settle down' listen to and I've now started listening from your beginnings just to keep going. I've seen and heard various on this one but I know you'll give me more details than I've had before. Just great, thank you. Pam, UK
Starting of the year with a bang! Excellent to have you back, team. Thanks for this great episode!
So good to have you back. Hope you’re well rested and Happy new year 🥳
When this dropped, I was like "Yay,, you're ba --- the Zowhat? Aww, c'mon... OK, favourite podcast, benefit of the doubt I guess."
By end of Part 1, I was fully expecting you guys to break the case.
Stellar work. Glad I waited 3 more weeks and binged the whole case through.
So glad to hear from you again Casefile. Also the Zodiac Killer case reminds me of the Unsolved mystery of Mr Cruel.
Mr Cruel? How? There's absolutely no similarities between these cases. Cruel was a child rapist specialized in home invasions and abductions, all things Zodiac didn't do in any of his attacks. The two cases are 100% different from one another.
@@jonathanturbide2232 for your information, both Mr Cruel and The Zodiac killer taunted the police by sending letters and also doing a red herring and wrong, there is similarities between them you moron.
@@samih5916 I also found a similar feeling of frustration with those cases in that the killers were never found thus avoiding the punishments they deserved for the misery they caused.
@@MegaDublinguy yeah I agree, it sure is frustrating and I hope both of them get what's coming to them one day.
@@samih5916 Yeah, hopefully God or karma or something gets them!
Thank you for the new episode legend
Great episode! Listeners might take the opportunity to watch Dirty Harry which is loosely based on the Zodiac killer (called Scorpio in the film).
Also The Riddler character in the new Batman movie coming out next month is based on the zodiac. Killer.
Finally you are back, sweet, remember me casefile, I said 1 day you would reach 100k followers, when you had about 300 followers, more than halfway there, great stuff 😎
You have the same initials signed at the bottom of the poem. 😜
Omg youre back i have missed u 😢
Oh what a start to the year!!
So excited to see this. Going to charge my headphones 🎧 just for this!
I'm so glad I found this channel. I've been looking for a podcast like this to play while I cook!
Anyone ever think the Zodiac Killer is really multiple crimes, committed by multiple criminals and only connected by the letters & code which were likely put together by someone working on the newspapers, in short there is no Zodiac. The crimes literally have nothing in common. What the heck? I hear you say, but pause a moment and look at the facts.
The word Zodiac was never mentioned in the first two crimes - one of which was almost certainly a love-triangle, the victim implied she knew the killer and the surviving boyfriend in a recent interview said they had been followed all night - that's not a serial killer but an angry ex.
The phone calls received afterwards said nothing about Zodiac or codes. We don't even know they came from the killer(s) or even the same person, listening to police scanners and making prank calls was a common problem. If it was the killer why not start with the Zodiac nonsense - he supposedly phones in the first two murders, but then it's hieroglyphics and mysterious codes in San Francisco? Really?
Then the newspapers begin receiving the Zodiac codes/letters and start the whole mystery, only then did a guy appear in the Zodiac outfit and attack the couple by the lake. The Zodiac outfit was never seen before and never after, likely it was Arthur Allen, or some other nutcase, looking to claim credit and get attention. Who constructed the codes? Likely the cartoonist in the Chronicle who felt ignored by serious journalists and this allowed him to insert himself into the crisis. Like the crazy nurse who makes patients ill so she can be the centre of attention and save them.
The Zodiac movie actually 'nods' towards this if you watch it closely - e.g. he is asked how could he know he wouldn't reveal his name in the first codes? A good question, how could he have known? He knew way too much. Worth noting Jack the Ripper got his name from a letter being sent to a newspaper, almost certainly sent by a journalist looking to wind things up a bit for sensationalism and circulation. Subsequently one police officer came under scrutiny for sending in a fake Zodiac letter - so the idea was not unusual and it was clearly happening. Multiple people were sending in multiple fakes as if there wasn't enough confusion.
But the key point is the codes predicted nothing that ever happened, nothing. They were backward looking and clearly made by someone aware of the news, but not the person committing any of the crimes. The codes literally created the Zodiac not the other way around.
Then there was the final crime, a taxi driver robbery and killing - his wallet wasn't taken but some money was. Unfortunately taxi robberies were common in SF at the time. The police wrote it off as just that without a second thought. Then parts of his shirt began arriving, the shirt was from the taxi driver alright but it wasn't mentioned at the time in police reports. It could have been taken by anyone after the crime or maybe it was the lake side killer, again looking for attention. But what did killing a taxi driver have to do with couples? Or maybe it was a another lone killer - but there's no real thread in the crimes. What serial killer goes from couples in a Lover's Lane to a Taxi rank?
After that there were a stream of people claiming to be the Zodiac, including one literally calling from an insane asylum, and they fooled many people. Then we had letters arriving from various people, various codes and lots of hysteria. But none of the threats were ever carried out. Who wrote the later letters? Who knows, part the original cartoonist, part copycat, part attention seekers etc. This list is endless and there are 'experts' devoted to analysing these letters trying to fit them all together and picking the real fakes from the fake fakes etc It's a tangled mess of lies and deception, which is what makes it so interesting to many people. It's a giant puzzle but there's no solution.
The reality is that there is no common DNA, no common fingerprints, no common bullets or even weapon. Eyewitnesses cannot agree or who or what he looked like. People have endlessly searched for other crimes to add to the 'collection' but the reality is they should be removing crimes. Endless efforts are made to find one common suspect but they always fail because one crime/circumstance/alibi or another rules them out, the obvious solution is that there is no one suspect but multiple killers with varying reasons all intersecting and some trying to claim credit for other crimes. All that ties them together is the letters/codes most of which are accepted as fakes - so why not all of them? Nothing else ties the crimes.
Arthur Allen is at best responsible for 1, at a stretch 2 of the crimes. He was likely triggered by the appearance of the codes in the media.
But when Arthur Allen's DNA does not fit one of the stamp's DNA the people who are convinced he is 'the one' claimed, he often got other people to lick his stamps. FFS! Imagine your in a post office and you say to the person beside you, could you please lick my stamp? Can anyone imagine that occurring and the other person saying 'sure I will lick your stamp', rather than moving away slowly from you without making eye contact.
People are so focused on being right about one person, they ignore the obvious. Yes Allen likely killed one couple, but that's probably it. He wasn't sending in letters or making up cyphers and codes. Once you accept it's multiple people, it all slots into place.
This is why he has never been caught, there is at least three separate criminals and various people sending in cyphers and letters. Now there's literally a Zodiac industry, with experts, books, seminars etc etc. And in the greater scheme of things it's relatively harmless, it's a hobby like bird watching. But it's a fruitless one because the 'one killer' will never be found.
Funny that you say "pause a moment and look at the facts" but then go on to be anything but factual.
@@tomvoigt I understand that if you have devoted so much time to the Zodiac that pointing out he might not exist may sound like apostasy, but explain why there are no common links with any of the murders?
@@ZionistSoldier Wow, I must have really rattled the Zodaicologists - or whatever they are called.
I should have written it in a code, you would then have had to spend 3 months deciphering the worlds longest and most boring youtube comment. And another three months finding magical links and connections to other comments.
@@jamesparsons9068 Er, ok.
James, just so you know, there is a whole whack of incorrect information in your post about Horan's theory.
No better and compelling reportage than Casefile
Yay!! Your back! Happy days!
This is the zodiac speaking "The Dude is Jeff Bridges"
Thank you >8-D
Youre BACK!!!!!at last! Thank you.
To the CASEFILE team. Perhaps take a look a the "Cheshire Home Invasion" case. Very disturbing case from my home state of Connecticut here in the US. Something perhaps not many people here have heard of and DEFINITELY would be great presented in CASEFILE style. I personally think the husband helped plan it, give it a look sometime.
Yeah!!!! You’re back 😊
* my heart skipped a beat
Bummer to start the year with a continuation, multi part. Now I have to wait for all parts to drop, since I hate not finishing.
Thank you.
Yay, you're baaaaaack!!!
NOICE!
Man oh man have I missed your channel 😩😍
I think I got too excited 😅 but welcome back. Will listen tomorrow. I already liked,
“The FBI’s investigation into the Zodiac Killer remains open and unsolved” - the FBI circa 2022
you do not get enough views for the quality of your videos. You will though, these are amazing
As a bass guitar player you are the coolest 👍🏻😎
yes.
To those who have no understanding of the word "FILLER" nor been in a position to have had to take advantage of one now and then please note: this is not the only thing you need to learn. When your boogling your little eyes off finding the meaning for strange unknown words like "Filler" nows the time to boogle the meaning of this little beauty too "PREVIEW"... Once again now.. "PREVIEW"... All together now... "PRE....". OK ok...
Assignment #01
(notes, don't let there be a #02)
Q. What does this mean "Search preview" when we're talking about fillers ?
>8-D
Darling casefile presents ,where were u all these days....I missed u so much..every Saturday I had waited for ur videos....what took u this long? I jumped to a conclusion that u r no longer providing videos.
Heheheee... **The*Dude** like all of us over the last few months has been busy too I guess.
>8-D Yes!!! **The*Dude** is back !!!
Oh my God, I love you so much! ❤️
I love your voice. I have been listening to Case files since the beginning. You could just read the phone book (if those are still available) & I would still listen to you. Australian is the 2nd sexiest accent in the world. (The 1st being Texan. There is just something the way a Texan says "ma'am" that makes my knees weak.). Anyway, keep putting out these interesting cases. Thank you. 🙂
@Claire that typo does change the meaning of my post. Lol. Thanks for pointing it out to me. 🙂
Where u been
I've only heard the intro so far & already I'm hooked. I never heard of this cab driver & certainly not as part of the Zodiac case.
thanks, this is very thorough and quite rightly looks beyond the 5 crimes that were spoon fed to the police. until recently i started the count with cabbie ray davies but am now considering moving the clock back to betty jean williams march 1961, a long way away in texas but i think there will be others in distant places. the bates confession letter where he alludes to a plea of mental instability makes me suspicious of the whole williams yarn.
i have been doing alternative solves to the cyphers and kept getting clues about a tank. the williams narrative was that her body was put in a livestock drinking pond but when i looked on google maps it is a man made pond with metal sides - a water tank.
Huh...I thought you had done this one. Should be an interesting take/presentation on a well know case.
wooo!
Ok but how do they know what he said after killing the Volkswagen girl ?
Ah!!💙💙💙🙋🏼♀️
Not sure how but you've managed to make this case a note. Sorry.
And then he became Ted Cruz
I’m the zodiac
How cheri was kidnapped from the car taken to alley and killed is all speculation nobody knows what happened
Some really do. Zodiac has been confronted in person by law enforcement.
To find his idenity you have to solve the ciphers. Which are not ciphers. They are language translations. Your origin is the keyboard of an arabic typewriter. Starting 75, he lived in Asia, his daughers birth records says she was born there. You grab with cursor, then you drop it in Google trans. Press enter. You cont need a 12 million dollar paperweight that supposedly thinks like a serial killer, all you need is your brain. Kids translated some of these. its only hand movements and nothing more than that. Once you have that done, take a look again. His name will be staring you in the face in plain english.
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Love your podcasts. Have started listening from the beginning. Am on case 40. But...I have listened to one or two of your newer ones and the way you speak is completely different. Slower and more dramatic. It’s quite off putting. Can you not go back to how you spoke before, just normally?
Sounds a bit like a robot speaking
Great content but way to many sponsors/ads..... disappointing!
This is so disappointing. I love case file but largely for the cases that we wouldn't otherwise hear about. I'm extremely disappointed that we had to wait two months for a four part episode on a case with a Hollywood movie that we all know probably every detail about.
No one needs to cover it again.
With Casefile and only one other channel I'll listen to their deep dives into cases that have been covered many times before, partly because of the quality of their writing but as well because the quality of their research means they provide me with details I'd never known before. I hope you give it a listen and you get something out of it.
@@MegaDublinguy agreed.
JL I understand where your coming from mate. **The*Dude** is not a magician nor does he have the ability to be the only one with 1st hand knowledge of crimes of all sorts. If **The*Dude** was capable of such magical sparkles perhaps, critical suspicion of **The*Dude** would inevitably arise ... Maybe so..
That's assuming we've covered all angles of his potentially viable sources
>8-D (hehe)
The Dude is Jeff Bridges.
Disagree
No offense but this story has been played out. I'm bored with it
It's probably not very classy to quote myself but here's what I wrote in a comment above 'Unsurpassable! The intro to this video is both heart-breaking and chilling. The story-telling in the rest of it is riveting. Much as I thought I was familiar with this story Casefile as always delivers details I had never heard before. It's going to be a long week waiting for the next installment.'
I hope you change your mind and give it a view. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Meh, no offense but this is a terrible way to start a series on the Zodiac. I know this podcast love to focus on obscure cases, but this time you tried to do too much and you're way off track. Way off.
90% of these cases (Davis, Robert-Linda, Johnny-Joyce) are only remotely (very very very remotely) linked to the actual Zodiac case, sorry but that's taking your audience in a direction that is way off track. I get what you tried to do but the case as a whole is already complex enough like that, you shouldn't have started the series by talking about these cases that have no real link to the Zodiac and the confirmed facts surrounding the case. I respect what you do, but that's a really bad decision.
Oh just shut up, it is not a terrible way to start off the Zodiac Killer and it is not a terrible decision either.
Casefile can post whatever way they want and it's not up to you at all. Don't listen to it if you don't like it that way.
I would have thought the M.O. of the attack on Robert and Linda bore striking similarities to the attack on Hartnell and Shephard and very significant that Zodiac made sure to check Hartnell's bonds given that Robert had managed to escape his and temporarily over-power him. And then similarities between Robert and Linda's attacks and Johnny and Joyce's link them together as well.
I know there are only seven confirmed attacks but there is a lot of speculation that he was responsible for others. This is only the first of four parts and I'm happy enough to trust Casefile to tell their story their way and weigh it all up for us in the end. In the meantime I'm enjoying the storytelling which is at times chilling other times heartbreaking and for me always riveting. But I understand that tastes differ so naturally opinions will as well.
@@samih5916 LMAO look at this white knight....first of all I was highly respectful in my criticism, and then you come here and tell me to shut up like an immature little ****? How pathetic. I have the right to criticize the podcast, and my criticism was done respectfully and with a good argument, not for the sake of criticizing. So YOU shut up, and stop trying to act like a white knight. Good day.
@@jonathanturbide2232 first of all I am not a white knight nor am I acting like one and secondly I am not an immature little **** and neither am I pathetic. Your fucking criticism is shit and no I will not shut up and don't you say good day. Also you're pathetic for thinking that Mr Cruel and The Zodiac killer are not similar and you are so wrong about that. Don't you ever call me a white knight you hear me, never. 🖕😋🖕
@@jonathanturbide2232 take a look at your stupid comment, you just proved yourself that you're immature and pathetic by calling me those insults and you don't have the right to criticize Casefile.
I'm not going to shut up and I never will, so you shut up. Also you're a 3 year old trapped inside a 36 year old body. Your parents should be ashamed of having a disrespectful, disgusting son and they should have thrown you out in the streets to live.
Dude you have let the adds get out of control. Unsubbed