Should We Have Child Free Travel Zones? | Good Morning Britain
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 25. 05. 2023
- Today will see the busiest day of departures since December 2019, with around 3,000 flights taking off, making this bank holiday weekend the busiest since pre-pandemic. According to data from Cirium, more than 11,000 flights are scheduled to take off over the weekend, working out to more than two million seats. And with children breaking up for half term today, some families will be planning a holiday with their young, overly-excited kids. But with the worry of having a flight or train ride with screaming children, has the time come to create child-free areas on planes and trains so passengers can travel in peace?
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Im a parent but i think if other people, without children, want to not deal with screaming kids then I don't see why they should have to
I don't have kids, I don't like being around crying screaming shouting kids especially if I don't know their parents well enough to tell the kids to be quiet.
But still, the answer to the question is no.
We should not be restricting the movement of our own citizens within our own country.
YES YES YES. Child free spaces have got to be a thing.
It will never be a thing I donât think, Iâve been on the flight and a child screamed and yes it irritated me at the time, but Iâve changed my mind now 5 years later
The problem is not the children the problem is parents who cannot handle their children.
Itâs crazy how no one has mentioned that thank you the blonde lady seems to be so strong about her point probably because she canât control her kids there are kids that cry in distress but everyone knows how tantrums work with toddlers as well
Exactly
I absolutely think there should be more child free zones: Flights, hotels, restaurants, ect. More and more people have no children and therefore itâs absolutely okay to have child free zones.
Tell me about it
"every parent is trying to diffuse the situation" is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Clearly she hasn't been around the types of parents I've seen in public
I was on the eurostar to paris, for 2 hours all I heard were children screaming non stop. The parents sat there and did nothing, completely ruined the experience.
you cleaerly havent seen the adults i have seen in public lol
YES! Im all for this! Especially on flights!! I have already said their should be a family section only on flights and another section for other people. I hate screaming kids especially primary school ages. I miss the days of Seen & Not heard!!
When travelling on ANY kind of public transport the ONLY place for children should be on the roof of said transportation.
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The lady in the black is spot on- well done! Literally said what a lot of people want to say. She argued her point so well, and kept on topic.
Absolutely should have child free areas on planes.
Child free planes !
And everywhere else.
If i pay to be somewhere, im entitled to be in peaceful environment
@J AM84 oh, yeah, damn sure im. And i dont need to listen to some screaming kids or these kids kicking the back of my chair.
@J AM84 crying and screaming and throwing tantrums are totally different things! Crying and have absofuc. Ilutely zero discipline and parenting is also a different thing, but unfortunately u r not gifted enough to see the difference.
I agree, but do you mean "peaceful"?
Sorry ....
I'm an English teacher, so I notice this stuff. Lol.
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There is a difference between crying and screaming. It is NOT Anti children itâs BAD Behaved, uncontrolled by poor parenting. Children should be seen and not heard.
Depends on the age, you can't expect that from everyone.A screaming child is more of a distress for their parents than the other people around them. I honestly haven't experienced that much confusion with kids when on flights. Children usually follow the routine and even if someone cries that doesn't last long. It is more often badly behaved adults that don't follow rules and disturb others.
Yeah, lots of people out here confuse it all together and make no distinction between these different issues whatsoever .
The blonde woman lost this debate. I'm with the dark-haired woman.
Ashley (the blonde haired lady) couldnât get a word in edgewise.
Let's be honest, it's not the children - it's the parents. Parents these days are beyond entitled - I saw a news article about a mum crying because a flight attendant asked them to clean up after their child.... Come on!! We understand children cry or do whatever, but a parent needs to teach children manners. Babies are different - I don't know how you'd control crying when they just cry.
So what happens when you have a child with autism adhd or addional needs
I once was on a long flight sitting in premium economy class, hoping to get extra comfort, peace and work done on the flight. Two children a around 7-9 years old were seated behind me. The entire flight they were kicking mine and my seat-mates seat, putting their hand over on our heads, shouting and screaming and playing videos off their iPads at full volume without headphones on. They were truly misbehaved children, which parents who honest couldn't give a fuck about the way they were behaving, even after asking them to control their kids multiple times, and by the crew on the flight. I'm not for child free zones, I'm an uncle to a nephew myself and have experience how hard keeping a child entertained is. But there should be consequences for parents who neglect to keep their children behaved! Personally I think those parents should of received a hefty fine from the airline for failing to give a fuck about their children's behaviour, by that's just my opinion.
Fly first class john
What did you say to their parents?
Did you not discuss the situation?
Any adult ought to be able to enter into a dialogue with other people when an issue arises, without resulting in a confrontation. When I am bothered by someone being loud, I approach them politely and I asked them to please turn down the volume. It's a skill that seems to elude many adults somehow, lamentably so. If your initial attempt proves to be unsuccessful/ignored, try again and if that fails, then seek support. Talking to a person directly about a grievance you may have will result in a positive outcome (provided you remain civil) with most of those you engage with.
@@uncoveringthetruth8116 No, Put the parents + their brats in a sound proof place and charge them ÂŁ$#ÂŁ high prices.
Ipads being played out loud too drives me insane, not just the crying.
Plenty of grown ass adults who play music and games on devices on transport without headphones and it is very annoying and they should be called out on their behaviour... doesn't mean we should restrict the movement of UK citizens in the UK.
Screaming or crying children should not disturb my personal space. People with children should charter their own private plane.
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Yes we should have child free flights I would pay treble not to have kids
That blonde woman was so rude and condescending! I bet her kids are equally entitled. And, she does know stag-free flights ARE a thing, right?
Letâs call them Silent Zones. Lol
Your children, your responsibility, canât control them then donât burden others and only take them out when youâve figured out how to control them đ
Oh yes please, Iâve been on many child annoying long haul trips, they can be a nightmare. Also on trains in the quiet coach.
I have seen MANY parents sit there and let there children misbehave. I think there's a different between a baby crying and a 5 year old crying they can be controlled
I think this clip indicates why we have behaviour issues within the young. Parents who are too quick to excuse a lack of discipline and bad behaviour on a multitude of factors none of which include their parenting
For me it's about people who are inconsiderate in shared spaces, I know many parents try their best, and I have no problems with that. On all the flights I've been on, it's been other adults who caused problems by being incosiderate jerks, not the children. If we're going to police travel then perhaps passengers should get an as**ole rating and you can only fly in a section with the appropriate rating!
Iâm totally for this. The last time I used a bus, this brat plops himself next to me because he wants to ride up front despite the fact Iâm already there, and the next morning, Iâve got bad flu for a week. Iâve refused to use a bus ever since.
So you call a kid a brat because he sits in a free seat on a bus, like most people...
He doesn't sound like the one who's the brat in this situation. But I'm sure your grumpy absence on the bus is better for everyone
No people who don't have kids don't want to be bother with people who got kids
People who have kids donât want to be bothered by other peopleâs badly behaved kids.
What is so hard in making your children mind there are so many bad parents out there children are being brought up thinking they can do anything they want
Why does your child have any more right to scream in public than I have to enjoy peace and quiet
absolutely, Yes!!!! there are adults only hotels and restaurants, why not travel zones?! Iâm ready to pay extra money for a quiet and peaceful journey without my seat being constantly kicked, watching breastfeeding process and listening to video games.
We pay extra for adult only hotels altho I donât see why we should have to pay extra for a hotel without kids . Should be same cost
â@hestisa956 those hotels limit the number of clients by not accepting kids so they have to increase prices to earn money
I wonder why she wonât let Ashley speak.
Iâm đŻ with Ashley.
Great idea, but how about Family Class, and a ban on children in Business Class and First Class.
I have seen more badly behaved adults than kids. The blonde lady is right, people like the bruntte lady just make parents nervous about living normal lives and taking their kids in public cause 'someone might be bothered' and give a dirty look.
the badly behaved adults were once those kids whose parents didn't give a fuck about teaching them manners. I have kids, I talked to them when they were small, I explained whats polite and what is not. They are teens now, and I have NEVER had a problem regarding their behavior. It is very simple. Teach your kids how to act in public places, don't just let them run around like there is no rules because this will reflect in their adult life
@@monicarose7 it is not about running around. I have a neurodivergent kid and a lot of my life I have spent isolated because it was easier than dealing with his tantrums and screams in public and being given dirty looks. He is still better behaved than some neuro-tipical kids that should know better. Still I don't judge others for their parenting styles. Kids don't bother me as much as entitled or drunk adults who actually can do real harm.
Despite my kids being older now i have no problem being around other people's children. Love children.
This is a good idea. My husband has a hearing disability and the noise from babies and children is often a source of pain. This idea is not about curtailing the rights of children but about confining their presence in an enclosed space like a plane to a particular area. Disable people have rights too.
Oh dear as a parent I never just let my child cry usually there is a reason why the child is crying
Child free zones are better for parents. How comforting for parents to know they are surrounded by other parents who understand. And them women who said about the lads.. seating them away from kids is better. I chose not to have kidsâŠ..why do I have to put up with their screams and cries
The brunette is just terribly ignorant. 50% or more of a childâs behaviour comes from their character (no amount of discipline will change that) and she was just lucky to have well-behaved children. The blonde lady is spot on everything.
The ones with sassy characters should stay in then
Everyone has different temperament, this doesn't mean we should't teach kids how to behave in public places.
Itâs not about being anti children, itâs about being anti bad behavior and bad parenting and the expectation that children will be children and bad behavior like kicking the seat in front of you is par for the course.
Yes, there should be childfree zones on planes and in cafes and pubs.
Dont they consider some kids may have mental health issues like autism spectrum or adhd etc? This kids free zone is really absurd
Yes we should all suffer for your egotistical decisions..
Autism is not a mental health illness or a illness at all. Autistics are simply different. Most of the challenges come from a Neurotypical environment and society that isn't designed for them. Autistics commonly have higher levels of anxiety and sensory sensitivity so of course flying and travelling is usually much more difficult for them.
Iâve got 3 kids. 2 are autistic. My son used to be incredibly traumatised dealing with the air pressure changes. I put absolutely every effort into trying to do everything in my power to ensure that they didnât disturb others but Iâm not a magician. This lady who thinks she is an incredible mother and gets complimented all the time is so far up her own arse Iâm surprised she can see. I live in New Zealand and needed to take my kids home to meet their grandparents in the UK and I was so nervous about it, mainly because I was worried about encountering people with no empathy like like this woman.
Completely agree
J.
Agreed.
How many compliments would she be getting if we lived in the world she suggests?
A separate travel system for parents with noisy children?
Double the number of buses on the road? Half the regular passenger capacity on trains so traincars can be reserved for children?
If she's on a special bus or train with her well behaved children and a pack of unwashed snot covered animals...who's going to be there to compliment her?
Well said
Well said
No, but if people want to pay extra for a child-free area (and the company wants to provide that service), then it's their freedom to do so.
Ashley has more sense than many who study early years. She's absolutely right we as adults get hell tired and bored and what not while travelling, imagine the amount of distress children go through when they travel. So much going on in their little brains. đąâ€
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Thousands of sexual assaults on trains and buses each year, we cant get women only travel areas but folks want to complain about kids?? Let's start with men free travel zones, thanks. None of these folks complaining about crying babies would have the guts to walk up to a bunch of lads being loud and obnoxious on a flight and tell them to pipe down. Folks are so brave when it comes to criticising a desperate mum who's child is in distress.
We have today an increasingly ignorant and self centered society and this is just a part of it. Problems discussed here seldom if ever arose in the 1950s. I know, as I was there!!
Itâs not just about a self-centred society, itâs about childrenâs behaviour. I was also there in the 1950s and the 1940s and in my experience children learned to behave in society at large while at the same time being brought up in a loving environment. My parents never used corporal punishment but we learned to behave and the world was better for it.
I totally agree, Keith! We were those children in the late 1940s/early'50s. OK, it wasn't by air travel so much in those days, was it - but the same applied to holiday destinations either by coach or train and we were easily amused by the scenery or little games such as "I spy", until we were near the destination when we would get a little excited and ask, "Can we see the sea yet, dad [or mum]? They were great days, too - holidays at the seaside within our own country were very special to us then.2@@keithbarlow6596
Classics parental entitlement. Parents always think they deserve extra cos they have had a child. Pathetic there should be areas just for families so they can all annoy each other
great idea i agree!
Iâm Childfree, just buy some packs of those Loop silicone earplugs (sound reducing) to block the noise. That and noise cancelling headphones.
Why should other passengers have to pay extra for other peoples spoilt brats. All children are born equal. Itâs bad parenting. Give these parents EXTRA space & Charge THEM for it.
@@nonaknight9491 Oh I'm in agreement with you Nona, I just explained how best to deal with it in the short-term :) It'd be great if the option you suggested got the green light eventually though. The amount of times I have taken the Overground at either the front or back carriage, hoping for peace and quiet and ending up surrounded by a family of six is staggering though.
Noise cancelling headphones won't stop the sound of nearby screaming. Even the most expensive ones can't do this unless you are playing music.
It's all about economics. If there is a demand for childfree flights, why not? Or at least a section in the plane to be childfree.
Ever been in business class? The difference in sound between business class and even first class is stunning. It's like walking into a library from a nightclub.
@@Anon-xd3cf I don't know if you have been on middle eastern carriers. Look in business class and you will find plenty of whining kids belonging to very rich parents, either doctors or oil kings. (Etihad, Qatar airways, etc). Ridiculous.
Child-free public travel options are a pipe dream. Poor child behavior does occur frequently enough, often during holiday travel, but it's an unfixable problem.
it's not fair on kids to take them on flights until they are old enough to understand and be communicated to properly.
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My children never screamed and created tantrums in public⊠or any time! I really did have complacent young childrenâŠ
I must be the only person who can zone out a child crying on a plane. Once my pods are in the ears, they're as good as muted
I guess youâve never had a kid kicking your chair.
well lucky you. reality for most others is different
The blonde lady just doesnt want the stress of parenting...should have thought about it before having them
My six months old always used to shut up when I told him to đ
how is this not discrimination though? banning a human being based on their age?
shouldnt be forced on other people!? THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS TOO OF COURSE THEY BE FORCED ON YOU IF YOU GO OUT IN PUBLIC!!!!!!! i have noticed the one who has 4 children was quite defensive....hmm i wonder why....the blonde lady is right.....there is a anti child narrative going round lately
I have seen unruly adults then children...yet we dont talk about that do we!!!
At least it would be desirable to have a section in the plane childfree. I am willing to pay extra for that
Why blame the children? Children are supposed to be fussy and annoying and what not. That's how they learn. That's why we call parents as the displinanrians (duh). Maybe we could start planning and designing zones (even in planes, trains or busses), where kids and parents feel comfortable while working or traveling or whatever.
Omg she referred to a child as an âItâ wtf
No.
The answer to whether we should further restrict the movement of uk citizens in our own country is no.
10:16 a quiet area on a plane where you can take your child...
And who is gonna clean that area? Between parents and between flight?
Is NOBODY capable of thinking through an idea?
Children learn from parents example it's as simple as that.
I was on a flight and l had a child who was kicking my seat all the way to turkey l told the mother she told her child to stop 15min in peace it started again l told her again it got worse really digging the feet in l asked if l could move seat but we couldnt it is down to the parents l took mine when they was younger they did not act like that they get away with things these days we got a smack
'They don't know better'- well then they should, that's down to parenting. Unless the child is a baby or toddler, any child older than that should know how to behave in public.
You could say the same for buses and trains. Live and let live.
We want to hear about Phill! Whatâs he upto, whoâs his personal runner and when did Phill start the grooming!?
Put all family in the old smoking area at the back of the plane and they can all support each other.
I ask as ppl with small ppl why I should have to endure this
Itâs not fair, but wait for the justification
Tq
For anybody who takes their brats on to public transport it should be MANDATORY that said brats must be dosed up with thorazine before being allowed on the chosen mode of transport.
Would love for children to be seen and not heard.
Ryanair already smacking their lips
We should have childfree everything
Totally agree with Ms. Muldoon. There are LOADS of parents that just let their child(ren) scream!!!
A million times YES!!!!!
If you can't keep your child quiet and well-behaved for a couple of hours, you're a bad parent.
I believe that childfree flights would be too extreme. People have to travel with kids. We can't ban them for inconvenience. But I believe there should be seperate sections/zones between parents+kids and non-parents.
Adult onyl hotels are great. Think adult only planes are fantastic idea
Exactly!
Wouldnât it be better for the 20 lads to be in an adult only section away from the babies and kids?
Instead of kids kicking if any problems in the plane is the seat leaning pack problem,
Poor Philip wouldnt like a child free holidayđ
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Yes Iâm a parent to a 5 year old and my son doesnât get the luxury to walk around aisles and carry on and make a mess on a plan - but how many parents care about that l, they are entitled parents letting their children lose on a plane, and get annoyed when you pull them up about it⊠I will be honest Iâm also a flight attendant and hate when we have dozens of children onboard they alllllll end up blocking the aisles we canât do our bloody job and god forbid you tell them to sort out their own children you end up getting abuse - Iâm over it, to be honest it isnât about the kids itâs the parents and lack of care factor for anyone else, my son even sat in business and no one has a bad thing to say about him onboard when we landed they all gave me a smile as if to say good job because initially I admit when we sat down I got a few frowns lol
The Kids need Phillip Schofield Free Travel Zones
YES! NORMALIZE CHILD FREE PLACES, EVENTS, TRANSPORTATION, RESTAURANTS, HOUSING, ETC! NORMALIZE IT!
No children's free travel zone at all because children need break from school. Some people doesn't have children should travel in different times they know when children's have half tream or summer holidays
Itâs all down to pond life parents rearing pond life kids.
Children should be obedient. Parents are the problem.
Iâve been flying since a baby and never acted like a screaming banshee, I agree with the dark hair woman they are not too young to understand I agree itâs her thatâs entitled go âget a private jet/get noise cancellation headphones/you pay moreâ the nerve!itâs woman like this thatâs why the u.k is full off entitled stag lads Iâd love to see her children in the future
Yes childfree people need travel zones
Ffs... Nobody seems to be thinking this through to practice...
A bus full of screaming kids means more discomfort for kids who are not screaming.
One baby cries and wakes up all the other babies... How is that better for parents traveling with kids?
It's better for the rest of us that do not want to parttake in raising other people's kids
If the parents can't control the child then yes. One year every freaking flight I took I got put next to crying screaming kid beside me or a kid kicking my seat. Btw what's with blurred pics? Brittain diesnt have face blocking technology? Strange.
send the kids to work houses
Can we have anti-hen, anti-stag and anti-football-hooliganism flights then, if innocent children are SO bad?
What about children with autism? That's surely discrimination to say go somewhere else...this is such an entitled ignorant discussion. That said there are holiday resort that have child free zones so it's not so far fetched. Also if it's long haul then that is more necessary but not for a 45min flight.
Be kind and empathetic to the drunk stag party đ because they have grown up to be like that from unattended and not parented children đ€Łđđ€Ł
I honestly wish (as a mum of 7) that we could have ignorant parent free zones. I'm sick of hearing excuses, if your child is badly behaved (I don't put children on the spectrum or with ADD or ADHD etc in this band as I see parents struggle often with those illness and it is a medical diagnosis which I understand and can tolerate, much the same as hungry babies), teach your children boundaries. It is so unfair to take a family out for a meal and have parents dismiss their own childrens' behaviour, while mine are behaving as 'theyre just children you know how they get bored....etc etc, yes I do but if you put some time and effort into ensuring they understand there are times and places and consequences for interrupting other people having a quiet evening.
Right... But spectrum and attention disordered kids have to travel... oftentimes with a parent using public transport because keeping a kid with a disability is expensive enough without keeping a car too.
How much of what we see is bad behaviour and how much is untreated or undiagnosed disorder?
@@Anon-xd3cf I can't say I don't understand, I often travel with children on the spectrum. I have ADHD, why do people misunderstand that it's acceptable to have special times in supermarkets, play areas etc for people struggling with sensory overload and not travel? Bad behaviour is just that, babies cry when upset as their only form of communication. The reason it is a spectrum is because all children are different. X
Being neurodivergent such as autistic is not an illness or medical condition. Autistic people are not sick, deficited, or diseased đ Autistic people commonly struggle with high levels of anxiety and sensory overload so of course flying is usually more difficult and overwhelming for them. But autism is not a illness its simply being different from being Neurotypical/ the majority. Most of the challenges come from a Neurotypical environment and society that is not designed or tailored for autistics/ neurodivergents.
@@nic524 I apologise, I hope you understand what I meant by my comment, particularly as I have a child on the spectrum and support a lot of children on the spectrum. Neurodisability and neurodiversity can cause a lot of embarrassment for parents. I have ADHD myself and didn't mean to cause offence. However I struggle with labels and as far as I see it the medical diagnosis is an illness. Maybe that is because I see things differently to a lot of others
@@nic524 also (not to offend you) autistic is a term that is seen as offensive in a lot of places as people on the spectrum (which is vast and covers lots of areas) are individuals and very different in every case.
Just have to laugh. Itâs a bit annoying but once adults have a few drinks on them on a plane they can be just as bad. If youâre going to ban kids you need to ban alcohol
Maybe have plane child zones at the back of the plane
It's not the kids it's the Parents. Because kids have been traveling for years and we never had this issue. Sorry, the lady in black doesn't know what she is talking about.
They shouldnât have people like Ashley who take these debates so seriously. Itâs just meant to be a conversation where 2 people disagree without being so snotty. She was so rude just because the woman disagreed doesnât mean you can be so snotty
The other woman got very defensive too though đ
Pay more and get a upgrade to the premium sat flight I would recommend they donât go and holiday at home i if you want đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Yes i agree, also charge parents extra for the kids, they are basically using more services and loitering more, fair is fair
The blond haired woman. Not only is she arrogant and a prime example of self-entitlement (which she accuses others of), she really is not very bright. She talks about these people who hate children when nobody is talking about that. She says we were all children once which is totally beside the point, as if we were all badly behaved as children therefore we should be tolerant of her badly behaved children. I donât understand why she was allowed to keep repeating nonsense that was not at all relevant to the discussion.
it's crazy to complain about babies crying when at the same time you're surrounded by the noise of the turbines. No babies crying is worse, oh right... you my friend need a private plane, if you can't afford one, you need to have more empathy towards others.