Are the Charrúa Extinct?
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2020
- Edit: Sal*SI*puedes, not sal*IS*puedes, you dumb Canadian.
In case it isn't clear to some through the text, I believe in Charruan rights. I believe in the rights of people in Uruguay to look to their heritage for support and guidance. I believe in the value of the state recognizing and understanding the reality of the blood and history of all their people.
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Salsipuedes, not Salispuedes.
Sal (leave, or get out)
Si (if)
Puedes (you can)
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Sal Is Puedes is just a little typo.
I just might you nihilistic asshole 😉
Great video!
Btw, the "Guarní" word has the stress in the last "i". As in guaranI
No offense intended, just so you know
The again, amazing video. Keep it up
damn I love these videos so much they are probably my favourtie thing on youtube and they inspire me to do something interesting and meaningful with my life. thank you evan. once I am not a broke student I'll donate
This channel is how I got on to Patreon.
This is the saddest thing in the history of Uruguay, a country with few examples of bad things happening. This goes to show that even countries with good reputation have a skeleton in their closet.
Well its an open secret that most of the income in the country come from guard the savings of criminals and corrupt managers from all over the Southern Cone
@@ShinigamiInuyasha777 that was mainly Argentina
Normal Spaniard britt french together are killers
@@kuroazrem5376 Hey, we have too high of a tax rate to be a tax haven.
Hmmm... Have you ever heard about the P A R A G U A Y A N W AR
About the Maya in Mexico: when Americans learn about the "Mayan civilization" and its cities and ruins were reclaimed by the jungle before Columbus landed, they often assume the people disappeared, too. Actually, the population simply went back to foraging, hunting and subsistence farming, in isolated little villages. There are over six million living Mayans today. It's not as tragic as the history of the Charrúa, but it's still sad that many tourists seem to prefer romantic fantasies of a lost civilization, instead of realizing that the Mayan are all around them, trying to make a living in the 21st century.
Omg, you don’t know how many times I’ve had to listen to my stoner college friends sit and wonder “dude, whatever happened to the Mayans?...Dude, it was probably the aliens!”
I’m like “whatever happened to the Maya? Your fucking looking at one!” Haha!
@@patrickfitzgerald2861
Anarcho-Primitivism FUCK YEAH!
Patrick Fitzgerald ikr civilization? Yuck.
Guatemala 🇬🇹 is the heart of the Mayan world. Tho they extended into other parts of centralamerica. But if you want to give The mayans a nation it's Guatemala 🇬🇹 no other way about it... they still exist genetically, and arguably culturally as well, just fitted to a more modern standard of living.
Patrick Fitzgerald Never mind the thing youre using to respond to this comment.
0:22 I can't possibly tell you how mindblowing it is to see this guy here, he's a local character from my city and I've seen him in the streets since I was a kid.
He was very friendly to me. If you see him, thank him please.
Same happened to me at 9:30! There's a neighbor that I see every morning I walk to work, and he appears at 9:30, Magariños Cervantes St. and Rivera Av. (the avenue named after the genocidal who annihilated Charruas)!
This small is Uruguay, we end up knowing each other 😅
This most be such an amazing experience. Ah, the things you can find in CZcams, specially when you least expect them.
As a Uruguayan, I proudly greet you with deep gratitude for the incredible work on these Uruguayan topics that you covered.
I need to point out the conscious perspective when selecting themes for the country along with the language used with vivid and coherent images chosen to illustrate them.
These videos do not try to sell the country,
it only shows the actual interior street and related neighborhoods, we call them "barrios".
Among them, you chose ordinary people,
with faces you can find walking among them.
We use the word "vecino" to refer each other, not only to our own "vecinos", but to all other neighborhood residents.
You could easily listen to that greeting inside a tall coastal tower, same as in all other more humble neighborhoods.
I will avoid going further with my comments though there is much more to say regarding style, content and production.
And talking about the channel.
I've already started watching the rest of the channel’s content, and found the same quality everywhere.
The smart, history contextualized, culturally coherent, social aware approach, taken from a rooted angle to the places and stories, wrapped up at production time, makes a very personal, fresh approach to the genre.
I will risk to say that there is something fresh, perhaps even new.
Please keep on doing this fantastic job.
I agree immensely. I’m a first generation American my father is born and raised in Uruguay. This video series pulled me into the culture of the country in such a unique way. Despite having lived there for a year of my childhood I never knew any of these pieces of history.
No entiendo el vídeo pues está en otro idioma pero un gustaso el leerte . Saludos cordiales desde Uruguay. Charrúa
My grandma did a DNA test a while ago, she’s from Tacuarembo, so from that “northern” part that was mentioned in the video, and I’m around 5% native american, not exactly sure if it’s charrua or something else. But no matter if that blood is 5% or 50%, the culture is practicaly extinct. I can’t claim to be a charrua because there’s no way to properly express being ethnically charruan, plus I have so little of that blood in me. I hope there’s some miraculous science that can help us recover the language or other parts of the culture.
well if its dead truely
maybe its better for it to be dead and natural
then be brought back to live but unnatural
Well, actually, in Uruguay we said (hablemos en ingles?) we said we are sons of spanish and italian migants, but after a few years living in Europe, i walked in 18 de Julio(Montevideo's biggest avenue) and the faces over there they weren't europeans mate.
There's a big tabu in Uruguay about that. Same thing in other regions of latin américa.
there is this novel, Bernabé Bernabé, that talks about the Salsipuedes killing.
And in the 80's(1988) the novel was forbidden. So.
@@13minutesmeditations i dont think thats necesarily the case. there are many that are proud of their european heritage but most myself included couldnt care in the slightest. im argentinian, im proud of being argentinian and couldnt care less for people long gone. by the way its typically the elite who are so proud of this "heritage". you could tell me my greatgrandparents where born on the moon and honestly i couldnt care in the slightest
@@electricangel4488 To be fair, their death was not natural. It was done purposefully and with malice. For the culture to be revived into a new thing is more natural than to it be exterminated.
Museo Del Indio in Tacuarembó is shown in the video tho. There's a lot of findings there.
David Attenborough of genocides
Warota!
LOL!
Didn't have headphones. Was in a place I couldn't have sound on. Turned on subtitles and turned off the sound, and I could hear Evan's voice narrating.
Salsipuedes, not Salispuedes
GuaranEE
why is it written like that? i learned some spannish and i thought 'salis' means 'you leave' and 'puedes' means 'you can', so i thought: yeah makes sense. so could you explain why it is written like that?
@@user-uq8nl7mt6r it's just a contraction of "sal si puedes": "sal" -> "get out", "si" -> "if", "puedes" -> "you can"
@@user-uq8nl7mt6r Sal si puedes = Get out if you can
@@xerzy oh yeah i forgot si means if, makes a lot of sense now. thanks!
This is exactly the reason why most uruguayans and south americans never really understand the way the US treats racial diversity.
(Am I latino, hispanic, caucasian or mixed? huh?)
Yeah, I find it funny how they can't understand someone who doesn't want to fit in a box. I can't understand their DNA ancestry obsession either.
There's however more colorism, as darker skin is associated with poverty, as well as being uneducated.
I think all started in what it is said in 9:46 -I don't know if Uruguay used to have large plantations with many black slaves.
We are all mixed. Cro Magdmon is the only modern human. All the other are mixed races. And by race I don't mean skin color but the mixing of different human races. Aryan closest descendant to Crow Magnum mixed with other races like the long skulled people the fat skulled people, the hobbit type, Homo erectus which Africans come from that mix the dogon tribe still looks very similar. On and on. Tens of thousands of years of mixing races.
You seem to fit in the Mestizzo category
Uruguay is such an interesting country
You said bro! Alot shit happens here before colony
It really is. It's such a shame that so much of our history and culture isn't out there on the internet aside from the very basic stuff, since we have some pretty wild stuff in our popular culture, from the lost treasures of sunken ships to a wealthy businessman who also called himself an alchemist and built an entire city full of hidden messages according to his own beliefs about a coming apocalypse that would devastate the world save for a very specific triangle in Uruguay.
@@twZera413 what?! Nunca sentí ésa historia! Cómo sé llamaba (el señor)?
@@tonycariello8478 supongo que se refiere a Francisco Piria y Piriápolis.
@@tonycariello8478 Francisco Piria was a scholar in alchemy and the occult, he founded the city of Piriapolis
"Its only if the people feel it"
That phrase alone says SO MUCH about us. Us Uruguayans tend to say that the Charrúas are gone because its a fact. But identity isnt built through blood, its built by experience.
Btw: I recommend the book duets "El País de las Cercanías" by Roy Berocay. Its a childrens book centeres on our history. I think it they will be great for the making of these videos.
El pais de las cercanias is my childhood
It's the same reason why we may be white but also "latino".
Even if you're, let's say 100% ethnically polish, you are latino if your whole culture and experiences are bound to the continent
@ArmchairWarrior what is culture?
@ArmchairWarrior it is not appropriation if there is at least some proven descent from the group. Then it is revival of the culture.
ArmchairWarrior Racial appropriation has gone through so many trials that have fucking failed. Nobody takes it serious except for a small minority.
7:36 that graffitti on the wall kinda translates to "bros before hoes"
made me laugh, "pussy comes and goes, the guys always stay"
proof of great civilization
the funniest part was the typo: "mantien" instead of mantienen
Yung Seishin you can *read* that? It’s so tiny the tip of my pinky finger covers it completely on my screen. Or do you live there so you recognize the street corner and know what it says?
@@jpe1 put the video in higher quality and on fullscreen, it's still kinda small but it's legible
In Uruguay, our heritage does not make us different. When I went to the US, I was surprised when I had to fill in a form and was asked my national background and ethnicity. And because my parents are German, they called me German. That is so weird. I am Uruguayan, why is the rest important? Most Uruguayans know or assume that they have some indigenous blood but it rally doesn't matter. Being Charrúa is a national identity that goes beyond blood. It is true, we killed them, but we still honor them every day.
in what way do you honor them, exactly?
after finishing them off you have gall to say that you honor them.. :D :D
@@AnuragSinha7 yeah, completely exterminating a whole peoples is fucking savagery. She said her parents are German so her bloodline has.nothing to do with their genocide but it's still bullshit to claim you're charrua when your country genocides the very people you call yourselfs after. It's like if we Americans completely exterminated the natives and called ourselves Sioux or some other indigenous tribe.
@@mawlinzebra You do though, fucking Indian motocycles and Apache helicopters. Go look in a mirror before you open that fat mouth
@@favelado3408 they are part of our national identity. Being called charrúa is an honor, it means being corageous
It really touches my feelings as a uruguayan. I am a charrua descedent, mixed with spanish and portuguese (they are pretty much the same), and every morning look myself in the mirror and I see my heritage, in a country who think its heritage is 100% european while everybody is drinking mate, and dancing the african rhythm of candombe. Is very important to a nation embrace all his roots to accept itself. And you guys show this dark and sentisitive point of our history with such respect, that I thank you all.
Are you saying that the portuguese and the spanish are the same?
national fiction doesnt need specific roots. but i am glad your so conformable with all your roots
@@nunooliveira1728 i think he is saying that, just goes to show latino ignorance
“they are pretty much the same” LMAO!!!
@@nunooliveira1728 Are you saying that the spanish and the spanish are the same? There are big cultural differences within Spain, and within the regions of Spain. Spainish people as a people of a nation did not exists until Napoleonic wars. No nations or unified and defined cultures existed before the end of the 18th century.
The accent in Guaraní is on the last syllable. As someone who lived in both Argentina and Paraguay, I think that the history of the Guaraní peoples in that part of the world up to the present day is incredibly fascinating, definitely worth a video!
Weren’t they found in small groups in Bolivia and Brazil ? And even as far as Ecuador if I remember correctly.
This hit home. I found out 1/5th of my DNA was Native American recently. A hundred hours of genealogical research confirmed that my ancestors were Otomi and Tlaxcalan. Am I Otomi or Tlaxcalan? No. I don’t speak the language or know the culture. I didn’t grow up in central Mexico and don’t have a connection to the land. I can’t claim to be something I’m not.
It's as he said in the video, you have Neanderthal DNA but you can't claim to be one, you have DNA from Mexico, but it's different from being Mexican.
I'm in a similar scenario, but yeah I connected to the culture so I don't claim it.
"Los pibes se mantien, las conchas van y vienen"
Hermoso mi país
"The boys will always be, pussy comes and goes" for the non spanish speakers lmao
Típico de Uruguay
@@MatiasND no confundas Matías, ese es argentino por lo ordinario. Saludos
@@lelitagupta9854
Yo soy uruguayo.
Igual cosas así se ven en nuestro país.
Está en tacuarembó, que orgullo de ciudad
Damn. This one really speaks to me. I'm constantly amazed about the work being done in this channel.
*Edit:* Loving all the recent Uruguay videos. Never monetarily supported a creator before but i just created a Patreon account to show support. Much love.
Love your videos. I am Uruguayan. I took a DNA test and I am 70% Italian, %15 Spanish, the rest Portuguese and French.
I agree with you there’s charrua blood in many Uruguayans.
Hola, qué tal? Donde te tomaste el DNA test? Me interesa hacerlo
I got truly emotional over this. Thank you so much for speaking up about these matters that even us uruguayans mostly ignore and making the voice of so many people in this tiny country be heard. Thank you so, so much.
Oof! You've opened that Pandora's box! I first have to congratulate you for the footage and the narration, giving an accurate feel of the country- I'm from neighboring Argentina and I've spent many summers in Uruguay, my sister lives there and her son is Uruguayan. I think this is a very sad subject when it comes to indigenous people. The Charruas are definitely an extinct people, more because of how their culture died, but they are alive in the melting pot that is Uruguay and hopefully they will be remembered on the same level as European groups and not like collateral damage for colonial civilization. My dad refers to Uruguayans as Charruas, in an endearing way-he has great respect for the original peoples of our countries. Thank you for taking the time to visit and talk about lesser known cultures.
Uruguayan here. It's sad that the prevalent reaction here when you mention the Charrua genocide, especially among older people, it's sort of trying to justify the massacre by demeaning the Charrua and saying they "weren't actually a civilization". Even former president Sanguinetti has tried to justify the genocide by claiming that we haven't inherited anything from those "primitive people nor their precarious language".
In elementary school and high school, the Charrua are discussed at length, but their genocide is only mentioned in passing. Same with the War of the Triple Alliance. I graduated high school around 15 years ago, so maybe this changed since then. Hopefully it did. It's about damn time we recognize all the awful shit we did as a country.
That's the typical racist, Eurocentric view that some people subscribe to whitewash the crimes of our ancestors in every country.
You would think that by now people would understand that killing others is wrong just because they are different.
My dad is from the Charrua tribe and my great grandma was one of the few people who still practiced our culture. Im honestly rlly happy people are keeping our culture alive and relevant to this day
You should look in to the paragayan war, "the triple aliance war". Then you would be closer to understand the Guarani thing.
Un uruguayo aquí. Buen video, pero debo de aclarar algo que para el resto del mundo pareciera confuso. El ser,o sentirte Charrúa, no es para nosotros los uruguayos, tener algún rastro de ADN ancestral, es simplemente una parte de la cultura, un sentimiento de pertenencia, tan grande que no se deja doblegar, no se opaca, es eso que nunca acaba mientras aún respires, eso es ser charrúa, para el pueblo uruguayo. Es un sentimiento, y a su vez una forma de percibir como enfrentar las adversidades.
Att.German
I know it’s not related to the point of the video at all but Uruguay looks so pretty. It seems so warm and lush.
I think that what makes Uruguay Uruguay is exactly that, the fact that we don't really have a single root. After the foundation of the country we've been a sort of place of refuge that with time created its own and unique identity. My own family is an example, we descend from Basque, Canarian, Spanish and Portugese roots and my great great grandmother was said to be charrúa. Everyone in here comes from similar roots.
But what nation really has a "single root?"
@@brixan... mostly first world countries. But of course with globalization single root families are starting to dim.
@@capuchinosofia4771 Which "first world countries" ? Not the Scandinavian ones, at least - except, perhaps Iceland at one time, (though I doubt it). Look at central Europe - lots of mingling back and forth through the centuries. Southern Europe? the whole mediterranean is a melting pot. since pre-roman times. /Uruguayan born mixed euro/native , and raised in Scandinavia. Identity? Human.
The results of three separate DNA tests show that I am 1.0% Native American. That does not make me a native American it just means that I have Native American heritage. The same is true for Uruguayans who have some Native American DNA. We are not culturally indigenous people. We are descended from them and we should be thankful for our ancestors.
Not Native American Heritage, but Genetics. Heritage is cultural, heritage is inherited through interaction and social belonging. What you have are the genes.
I don't think that's the point. The point is not that the people today that have some % of Charrúa DNA are Charrúan. But it shows that some of them survived the slaughter when they said that everyone was killed and later passed on their DNA.
Note that the mixing may have occurred prior to extinction.
@@Obscurai lol! it's funny you phrased it that way. Maybe you should put "extinction" in quotations, because it's impossible for mixing to occur after actual extinction!
@@squirlmy lmao
We've came to associate the word 'genocide' with a killing, and the Salsipuedes massacre (among others) did have plenty of that, but there's more than mass murder when it comes to the destruction of a people. If you get a tribe, an ethnic group, a nation to forego their culture, their beliefs, their language, all those immaterial elements that set them apart as a people even more so than the DNA in the their very blood, then you will have killed a people group even if you somehow managed to do so without spilling any blood. After all, genetics isn't everything when it comes to cultural identities (just ask the Hutu and the Tutsi, or check the entire Rare Earth series about Yugoslavia).
There is merit in taking pride in being a descendant of a people who suffered as much; it certainly has something to say about resilience. However, I'm afraid the Charrúa, despite surviving as people, are mostly gone as 'a' people, being now one of the various indistinct components of a culture that is no longer their own.
Mostly. Still, there ARE some households were certain indigenous traditions have been passed from generation to generation. It is very much not the same as two hundred years ago, though; these people still speak Spanish, dress like Westerners, they live most of their lives as most other Uruguayans. Even then, I'd say that the small tidbits of native culture that do still survive gives them a much stronger claim than any mtDNA results. Still, identity is a complicated thing with no such as thing as clear answers.
Exactly, thats why i think we should seperate words like genocide (destruction of a race or bloodline) and ethnocide (destruction of traditions) although theyre usually one and the same.
J Diego same shit happened in the Caribbean’s. It’s sad not having shit to look back on with pride in history books...
It really depends on what defines as "a nation", the sociological concept of "a nation" is entirely different from the genetic aspect, this is especially true when things like religions get thrown in, Muslim Indians become Pakistani's, Muslim Chinese become Huiren, Muslim Yugoslavs become Bosnians, while in Germany and France the idea of "the nation" is wholly tied to the language, where in Korea and Japan it is based on ancestry. I'd say that forced cultural assimilation is different from a genocide, while they could go hand-in-hand, for example the Saxon genocide conducted by Charlemagne and the Franks. Factually both French and Saxon people are Germans, but the extermination of one tribe by another is simply not rare in history, and the genocide wasn't full either, Saxons survive to this day (I'm one of them, although I'm also African, Indigenous-American, Jewish, Etc. I genetically descent from a people that was the victim of a major genocide), but the intent of the genocide wasn't to eradicate the Saxon genes but to eradicate the Germanic religion from the region, Christian Saxons survived, much like how the Franks themselves were followers of the Germanic religion before the became Christians, the same applies to the Frisians among many other peoples. Today the Germanic religion has been lost to time, nobody prays to Odin, Freya, or Thor, ¿so can we call the Germanics extinct? I live in a small rural village where most people speak Saxon yet I only speak a language descended from Frankish, ¿does that mean that I belong to the group that committed genocide towards my ancestors? I'd say no, neither "Frank", "Frisian", or "Saxon" are modern identities, we all call ourselves "Dutch" now and most people in this region (including myself) are Atheists, most people don't pray to either Odin or YHWH here. Identity is how you define yourself, maybe I am less fond of rigid ethnic identities because I have blood of so many, thus belong to none, but European history is filled with massive migrations and wars so very few, if any, people are truly "one thing".
@@-haclong2366, there's still followers of Norse Heathenism, I know several! Yes, they do pray to Odin.
@@joantrotter3005 But they picked up a long dead religion, of which the majority of its details and traditions are lost. Germanic paganism was successfully destroyed and has been gone for practically a millenium, it's only in modern times that it has been "revived".
It's always sad to see this happen.
Unique cultures and people we will never be able to see.
If extinct a whole unique people groups rich in history and stories to tell are gone for good.
I truly hope not as someone who wants to learn about everyone's culture and history.
Thanks for a great video. I am Uruguayan but migrated to Australia when I was 3 with my family. It's likely that my maternal great grandmother was Charua. I can't be 100% sure but this is what I've been told. When I was younger I really struggled with my cultural identity as I grew up in Australia but was technically Uruguayan. It was hard to figure out where I fit in. In some ways I was rejected for not being a 'real' Aussie because I wasn't born here nor am I white. But Uruguayans and other Latinos said I wasn't one of them either because I'm 'too' Australian. When I was 24 I back packed around Latin America and felt such an affinity with all the people I met except in Uruguay. It made me really question 'what is culture?'. Is it the type of music you like? The food you enjoy? How you dress? Your genetic make up? Uruguay itself is such a mix of different cultures, you have European and African heritage blending to create something new. The links to the Charua adds another layer of complexity. After I traveled there I ended up deciding I was a Latina Australian. I don't feel a strong connection to Uruguay as such but I do feel connection to South and Central Americans in general. I love our history, have pride in our strengths and celebrate our traditions.
Try our video "jars of eternity" for similar thoughts from Laos
I have the same exact experience but with the US (NYC)! Not European enough to be Uruguayan or American and not brown enough to be Latina. We should have our own support group!
@@YY-jv4uu thanks for sharing your story too!
"We are all individuals" Can't help but giggle at that line. I can't hear it any other way than as the crowd shouting back in unison at poor Brian.
They just popped by.
The famous Charrúa's Claw
AYE
The Taínos were one of the 1st natives to be exterminated by the colonizers.
But as opposed to what this video presents, people in the Caribbean have always yearned to validate they still had some Taíno inside.
Thankfully DNA came along, and many are discovering that the Taínos still live.
Exactly! You also have it where there are regions where the culture is still alive as well! Look up La Caridad De Los Indios.
Yes in Suriname,South America there are Taíno Arawak music ,but their population is not big,which is kinda sad,meanwhile african and asian population is exploding 👶🏻👶🏻👶🏻👶🏻👶🏻👶🏿👶🏿👶🏿👶🏿👶🏿👶🏿
As Uruguayan, I find this series very very interesting. Living away from my home country and seeing these videos gives me goosebumps. Uruguay, despite all its problems, is indeed a beautiful place. Though ashamed of the atrocities made 200 years ago, there's no doubt we carry the charrua and some guarani in our blood. Those who deny it have some homework to do.
Majority of Uruguay doesn't carry the blood and the ones that do carry a minimal portion of it.
I'm Uruguayan as well. Very interesting conversation. I did an ancestry test and found out I had roughly 15% indigenous DNA that I had no idea about. I would imagine that the vast majority of us would be the same.
There's a documentary about the charrúas. It's called "El pais sin indios" and it shows how there's a little bit of charruan culture in the country, there's a small tribe that identifies as charruan and they claiming for archeological excavations in Salsipuedes to see if they can find more information about the charruan culture. They even know some words of the charruan language.
5:05 horses running in the background
Just horsin' around
Episodes like this is why I'm here!
Being a subscriber for more thab a year i can honestly say that this channel is unique en very creative. The art of storytelling with detail on topics never heard of is truly interesting. Thank you bro keep this up
Thanks, Evan and Kata. Great video as always.
it was the battle of( sal si puedes)( get out if you can) it was general fructuoso rivera a notorious bloodthirsty murderer. every year on the street that carries his name (Avenida Rivera) people cover the name with Sal Si Puedes Avenida.
Pero que pasa con el departamento? Ahre
9:30 mi vecino! Está por todo el barrio, es como el colorado de Omar Gutierrez, nada más Uruguayo que esos personajes 😅
A mi me parece que lo ví grabando una estatua acá en Tacuarembó jajaja
@@jjtt fue a Tacuaremboó y visitó varios lugares como el Museo del Indio, la Escuela 2, la plaza 19.
@@BurnRoddy Sí me di cuenta jajaja
@@BurnRoddy Lo que decía es que me lo encontré mientras yo iba pasando por la calle
El colo siempre anda robando cámara, estaría bueno que se hiciera un canal de youtube pero no le funciona mucho el marote me parece :(
Discovered this channel since lockdown started and I love it, you give such amazing insights into seemingly insignificant situations, very eloquent👏👏👏
Evan, your wisdom and courage to speak up your mind is truly refreshing and sorely needed in these dark times. Thanks for sharing!
Hi, i am uruguayan and since I was little I have been told that I have charrua ancestry. From both sides of my family... I didn't really believed it because I'm as white as milk and well... the massacre... but now I simply don't care right now every uruguayan citizen specially during football seasons claims themselves as such. Right now being charua is not about the blood is about sentiment.
The native locals could have already been mixed before the group was wiped out. Minimally, something to consider.
Thats correct mate, before the massive arrival of spaniards, italians, french and germans, were the criollos (mix of colonial spaniards and portuguese with charrúas). The european inmigration absorved the criollo population. So basically yes, some people should have indian ADN
Another excellent video😊. I honestly haven't seen one that I haven't liked yet. I love how you speak and I have learned a bunch of stuff I wasn't aware of so thank you for posting these awesome videos.
The charruan massacres in the early 19th century don't mean that there wasn't mixing before that.
Yes, but the point of this story is that it doesn't really matter when the mixing happened, as the people who mixed were no longer considered Charruan if they didn't count towards the 'extinction'.
Luego de la masacre de Salsipuedes perpetrada el 13 de abril , los niños menores de 12 años y las mujeres fueron repartidos como esclavos. Hay numerosos documentos que cuantifican cuántas “chinas” y “chinitos se quedaba tal y cual familia. Esas personas se reprodujeron y mezclaron con el resto de la población. Acá a todos los indígenas se los llamaba “chinos” , al campo , “desierto “ y a los españoles todos, “gallegos”. Hoy día este último gentilicio sigue vigente y a veces en el medio rural a las mujeres se las llama “la china”
@@jorgeingediaz
Y a tu familia cuantos "chinitos" fueron repartidos?
PoweredByLS2 en 1831 tenía 64 tataratatara abuelos de los cuales solo 4 ya vivían en Uruguay pero no sé más que eso. Es más probable que las mujeres fueran chinas. Lo que comenté son datos objetivos que están en los registros históricos no manifiestan mi posicionamiento.
Me as an Uruguayan with charrúa blood, is such a pity to think on that, my grand grandmother was a pure charrúa, and my father always told me story's about them and how she use to live, now me and my siblings have some of they attributes, a pure blessing.
Thanks for the video
As a Uruguayan that attended public state school in the 70's and 80's I can say that the version that we were taught in school was that the Charrúas perished with the conquest as a people, but many also mixed with the invaders. The Gaucho, a kind of national hero that can be compared to the American Cowboy was always defined as a mixed character, with indigenous blood and therefore never setting in a place, a nomadic like the Charrúas. However, the narrative was extremely sugarcoated and we never heard of the Salsipuedes massacre in school, at least back then.. Uruguay is a mixed country, maybe less than the rest of Latin America but not as European as the official version.
Mi abuelo era puro gaucho! He grew up in Salto as a servant, his father had given him to people who owned an estate to raise when his mother died. At 14 he ran away and ended up travelling around South America. In his early 20s he returned to Salto and met my grandmother who was also raised as a servant in a rich person's home. My grandfather couldn't read or write but he knew how to build houses, had come up with his own way of doing maths, cooked the best asado and made chorizos from scratch. He could make all sorts of things and fixed anything that was broken. He ended up migrating to Australia and passed away at 94. He could be a hard man but he was funny and kind to his grandchildren and great grandchildren. I miss him a lot.
i just want to let you know that this is so good again and you are one of the best youtube channels in my eyes
Uruguayan streets look very cozy
They are
tysm for this video. history has always been brutal, but if we don't learn from it and start taking care of people, the suffering will never end.
thinking about what those people went though, it makes my hair stand up on its ends.
Your narration skills are something else
"Race is a construct". "The reality is that race does no exist". Exactly. We all are a blend, without exception. Well said.
really now. look man i get the argument
but i work in law and race is still a very handy short hand for a set of features to give people a handle on someones description. that and in medical several small details might be different depending on your origens.
so yea social construct but normal people still gone use it alright.
@@electricangel4488 races and ethnicities are a social construct, but phenotypes are a reality. Race and ethnicity, however, are intrinsically entwined with an arbitrary set of phenotypes.
Anthropological classification of race is partially objective, the one used in societies of different countries, like the USA, is a total construct.
@@TheKeksadler I'd say its not fair combining ethnicity with race, not that ethnicity is a solid thing, but I think ethnicity is more in reality than the idea of race.
human zoos sound bizarre
Unfortunately they were very common in Europe before slavery was made illegal. Human history is darker than black hole.
there are still people alive who were treated like that.
@@jayasuriyas2604 ecualy a lot where there afther it was illegal
most where full of payed actors
dont know if that makes it better
@@electricangel4488 it gave some people a way to make a decent living, when mainstream society wouldn't employ them to do any work.
Zoos sound bizarre
Coming from a background as being half Uruguayan/Colombian, this occasionally presents itself to me as an interesting question.
Can’t get much rare earth than rare mitochondrial DNA
I just wanne remark that I almost missed this upload because the tumbnail 'rare earth' text was very hard to see/read in the blue background so scrolled over it initially. And I think because of the subject matter I didn't see it on the CZcams home page. Just so you know.
Great video as always.
Glad you started uploading again!
how we choose to see our past tells more about our current morality.
You've inspired in me a passion for the country of Uruguay.
Thank you for a variety of reasons expressed in this video.
Nobody:
Rare Earth guy: *i identify as NEANDERTHAL*
Then Ok *Prehistoric Mega Boomer*
There are still 'Neanderthals'. You can tell by their forehead that it's in their bloodline.
@@DawnieRotten I have a short forehead, it wouldn't surprise me if that's in there somewhere.
@@hengineer There's a lot of 'Neanderthal' ancestry in a certain part of Russia (I forget where, exactly); a rural (out in the middle of 'nowhere') part. There's nothing wrong with having 'Neanderthal' ancestry, but there ARE a lot of people with it. It's not 'just' a 'short forehead' one has to also have a very pronounced brow.
And even then not everyone expresses the genetic traits the same way.
Why are your videos so amazing? Keep going, please.
Also, could you do something about Venezuela? Would be great ♥
I hope you never stop making these
This is the most eloquently confusing video essay I’ve ever watched. I love it.
Hey... excellent story and conclusions... I suggest you to look for a similar issue that happens with Chamí indigenous group in the conquest of now colombian lands where today is placed Medellín city.
Fascinating video, and a really important look into the despicable atrocities of the European colonisers. It's easy to just shrug this sort of thing of, and let it be lost among the ocean of other atrocities committed in the Americas, but I do really think it's important to remember all horrors like this, lest they be repeated.
thanks for sharing this content, it means a lot to us
Delicate topic, very well treated. Thank you.
i'm uruguaian, and i really felt all you said, i think we are all Charrúas in a certain way, if we are proud of our own identity as Uruguaians and as their "heart" successors . Thanks a lot, the video really touched me.
We often like to make constructs... so perhaps those constructs doesn't have to be the same anywhere, nor do they have to be the same everytime. Reality is here, but if you construct lags or advances, you don't have to sweat it.
in Central cementery , here, in Montevideo, you found the tombs of the last charruas in the national panteon, and in a few meters of there, in one of the cementery trials you found a big equestrian statue of Bernabé Rivera, the charrua's main assassin, ya, in the same cementery
Great video as always
But we don't condone the genocide of the charruas, i mean we don't identify as descendants of the people that murdered them.in fact the little bits of information you learn about them in school is how cruel the military was with them and the only examples you learn with details are about the lives of that last group sent to france. Also, our founding father Artigas was pro-charrua, anti slavery and against colonialism, which is a sentiment that still lives on; we do some sort of mental gymnastics and see ourselves as the original people and against the spaniards, but we are neither of those groups.
Dat!
I think the dycotomy originates in that people see themselves as descendants of the european refugees that came in the mid 20th century
I would like to know their names.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michella_Jougousa_Gununusa
@@santiagososa9946 Thank you!
Vaimaca-Perú, Tacuabé, Senaqué and Guyunusa.
My great great grandma was a Charrúa. From what the story that comes from my family side says, she used to be a slave in a farmer's family (whether or not she was a survivor from the massacre, or a descendant from someone who did was unclear), but soon enough she and her owner fell in love, and escaped together to make a new life of their own. Quite soap opera-like, I know, but I still like it. It does saddens me that everything related to their culture ended up being lost
Thank you for an amazing video
I've seen and liked all the last 4 vids about Uruguay (I'm Uruguayan), but this last one I think has a weird "conclusion". I think if you are born here, live here, and have Uruguayan customs and an Uruguayan way of thinking about things, you are Uruguayan. My dad was born here, of Spanish direct heritage (my grandparents were both Spanish and came here only a couple years before having him) and I don't think of him as Spanish, even if he has a "full set of Spanish blood". And for sure, he likes Spain, but he loves Uruguay.
I have a dear friend (like my old aunt) who is from direct descent (Galicia) But she is all Uruguayan. Take 99% of all Uruguayans from Uruguay - and they all want back... If they just could. That's at least, my experience of Uruguayans, no matter where their ancestors came from.
In the US, Obama and Tiger Woods are considered black. In Zambia they would be considered 'colored'. I think the more important question here is the one of 'native rights'. Do you inherit certain rights to land in perpetuity? Why? Are past wrongs inherited and if so on the basis of race only? In general it is better to help all the poor rather than help the poor because of some past wrong.
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Here I am, with a lot of stuff to do, but seated in my family room, binging on your videos. Oh well! The lot of stuff can go and "do" itself if it can't wait. With that been said, This video is so educational for me. I must admit, with a lot of shame while at it, that as a Latin American I don't know much about Uruguay. Nonetheless, thank you for the food for thought and keep up the amazing work. It is a Rare Earth indeed...
I would love if all these videos on this channel were released as audio podcasts.
A lie will do you harm, like a building built on weak foundations.
It's not a lie, the government killed or imprisoned all PURE charruans, the mixed ones survived
@@edwardbrown3721 as Evan suggested, certainly some of them survived. It's a possibility.
I don’t think charrúan is a race, it’s an ethnicity since it has a cultural and historical significance
very informative, thanks!
Still one of my favorite podcast. Racial identities are only our way of tethering ourselves to a particular place in time. Whether last week, a generation ago, four thousand years in the past. It is more a way of signifying the importance of an era for a particular group of human beings. There was always the day before; the day before the first emperor (Chin) arrived on the scene to establish his dynasty or that day when a man (Jacob) placed his blessing on each of his twelve sons (although we only remember one in modern times). All ethnic identities seem to fall into this reality. Our ancestors were all something else until they crossed this threshold and then we became something else.
So you're saying the Charruans were inside our hearts the entire time? 😥
And probably inside the liver and the kidneys and the lungs and the bones.
i honestly dont think genetics really mean anything. a few dozen million people are descendant of genghis khan, does that make them all mongols?
Genetics matter to some extent, and so do the amount of genetics from certain source. Descendants of Genghis Khan would be 0.00001% mongols, so, not mongols
Te felicito. No conocía tu canal y me encantó el informe q hicistes de mi paisito Uruguay. Muchas gracias. Aguante la garra charrúa
Excellent video. Learned a lot!
They are extinct. What makes a people a people is their culture. And none of that has survived.
This
Would you say Scottish people don’t exist?
Their language was virtually wiped out, their history, religions, and culture was mostly destroyed.
But they rebuilt the fragments, and created new culture (look up the history of Family tartans for example) and now most people would recognize them as an individual culture.
As long as there are fragments of history, and the will to recreate a community no people are truly extinct.
Que quilombo tienen estos yankees con el temita de la raza, parece que todo tiene que caer en la gilada de la one drop rule y a partir de ahí es válido hacer esta u otra afirmación.
Millones han muerto por eso... y probablemente lo sigan haciendo. No, no es un "temita"... :(
estoy de acuerdo con que tienen esos dramas, pero no creo que este video sea el caso
Es que ellos hacen así sus censos.
Thanks for your videos. Im learning something new. I've never heard of Charrua...
At 9:36 you can see the outside of my school lol. It's an arts school named after Pedro Figari, I was so surprised to see it
We talk about the scary things that happened in slavery, but south americans.....the atrocities committed there. Lord
Well, "we" don't really. It happens in academic bubbles and the occasional documentary, but make no mistake, mainstream Americans do their utmost to avoid it, because the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow still lives, if diluted. As violent, impoverished, crime ridden, Black communities crumble and disperse, only then will the legacy dissolve and then we will be able to look history honestly in the face, but as long as ghetto life continues as it is today, the fear of understanding history in the US will remain.
The saddest part was seeing a Starbucks. Talk about colonizers.
Great video. Great content and message. Leaves you to a deep thinking. I'd probably have stressed the part of the charrúa genocide a bit more. As an Argentine, we still have to process the same story. Only that here we did this not to a single indigenous nation, but to many.
Now I want you to go to Paraguay and investigate about the Paraguayan War (Guerra de la Triple Alianza) so that another series of great videos will be made