It's usually the humans fault. Christian religion is the best example. How many where killed and also burned at the stake, in the name of GOD. So that fits pretty much any religion, when it is taken to the FANATIC extreme.
@@eiyu-okuroryokan2634if God made everything, including what is good and bad, then by what standard can we measure God's goodness apart from the morality he supposedly instituted? If God made the rules, whatever he does is good by default, even if it was to kill a kid. Or a dozen of them. Doesn't matter. On the other hand, if God is good not because he made it so but because we can measure it, then there must be some things God didn't make such as morality. Melisandre subscribes to the former. Ser Davos subscribes to the latter.
I love how Jon never met Shireen, never seen her burned alive, but the gravity of Davos’ words and the fact he is an honest man made Jon side with him. Lord Snow knows who to trust.
For me the “she was good. She was kind.” Hits especially hard when you reconsider the world they live in has hardly anyone truly good with no evil hiding beneath the surface
I wasn't sad when Shireen died. It was the "typical" GoT moment, it felt wrong yes, but didn't hit me in the feels. Yet I cried like a baby listening to Davo's monologue. Liam Cunningham is a great actor, you could feel the pain the character was in, the anger, the need for justice. God my eyes are watering.
"Typical"? A typical GoT moment was about subverting expectations. Shireen's murder wasn't about subverting expectations, it was about being shocking for the sake of being shocking. That disgusting moment was the moment the series died.
Davos is usually a quitet voice of reason. HERE its one of the moments when he actually shouts in anger. An excellent show of how moved, how angry he is here, because of Shireens painful death.
What I love is how Davos was always against Melisandra. Always wanting Stannis to be rid of her. And now he, his daughter, his wife, and his army are gone because of their faith in her. Davos is one of the few characters that earned the right to see "I told you."
I feel bad for both of the characters here. Davos loved that princess like no over like his own child as stated by him and the red woman as stupid as burning her was knows what she did was wrong as you can see her sense of wrong doing on her characters face.
Also, it's worth adding that Melisandre's goal had always been to kill the White Walkers. She had the absolute best intentions when it came to Stannis and Shireen here, but ultimately her fanaticism to protect from evil misguided her into killing an innocent in vain. It's really tragic, in a way.
Shireen's death was heartbreaking. She was some of the few truly benevolent souls in Got. Perhaps it is fitting that the gods revived Jon when Shireen was sacrificed, one good soul for another. But it is also fitting that Stannis and everyone who allowed Shireen's death to happen met their end when they sacrificed her.
All of the buildup and investment in their relationship is what made this a powerful moment. The reading lessons, the visits to Davos while he was in a cell, the friendly banter between them is what made this such a tragedy for him. He was like a second father or beloved uncle.
Those shared journeys -- across land or through repeated scenes and dialogue -- in the earlier seasons made the show what it was. It fleshed out the characters and made them rounded, genuinely people with understandable motivations and coherent actions. The condensed final few seasons did away with that and tainted everything.
Thanks for uploading this, I too found this particular scene heart-wrenching and really stood out from the series in a uniquely powerful way. God speed Sir Davos, such a good character!
This was probably the angriest Davos has been in the entirety of the series. That last threat he makes - you can just see this volcanic rage erupting without containment.
This is a great scene. It's hard to watch, but I want to keep watching it. Liam Cunningham is being his character, and I found that to be true for the entire run of the series. That's the mark of a fantastic actor.
Even as Jon was resurrected by her, it can be seen that at least Jon was not quick to side with her as Stannis was. Jon knew he was resurrected, that her connection to supernatural powers were the cause of it, but unlike Stannis, Jon was fighting in order to save lives, not to claim his "right" to the Throne.
I seem to recall that the God of the Jews, Christians and Muslims instructs Abraham to kill his son, Isaac and sacrifice him as a 'burnt offerring'; and people wonder why there are atheists.
@@derekfancett8218 well if I'm not mistaken he does tell Abraham not to do it anymore. But than again you gotta admit that giving someone a quick death is far less horrifying that burning someone alive, that being literally the most painful death possible
Its too bad they didn’t do anything with his character after this season as this scene was so powerful, while I didn’t like what they ultimately did with Stannis compared to his book counterpart, it made the set up to one off my favourite scenes.
If ever a cinematic character was created that has been absolutely shattered, It's Davos Seaworth discovering that the Daughter he wished was his own, has been burnt at the stake 😭😭😭 ❤️🔥❤️🔥😢😢
They still needed her to light the swords on fire for the Dothraki so we could watch them go out when they charged to their deaths for no reason outside the castle
I understand the moral stance that George takes however in the books and show you had Davos being a real standup guy and one of the few moral true north characters you can get. He is a man who knows what he is and seeks to better himself, he is a man who does his damndest everyday to do what he thinks is right. He tells Stannis to his face just what he thinks and he gives him the pure honest truth no matter what it may cost him. Truly the 7 kingdoms has know few better lords than him.
This scene was easily his best performance of the show, in an episode full of amazing moments. This was award-worthy despite being "filler" in the episode that gave us the bombing of the sept, Tommen's suicide, R+L=J confirmed, AND Daney taking sail for Westeros.
This is the speech needed to give to so many religious leaders. If your Lord tells you to hurt innocent people (like killing children) then your lord is Evil, end of discussion.
This is one of the greatest dangers of religion. Mel believed so strongly that she was right, that her god was telling her what had to be done to fulfill destiny, that she was willing to do something unspeakably awful. Obviously she feels remorse, she’s not outright evil, but she also didn’t question anything until that point. Aemon said “Love is the death of duty.” I’m starting to wonder if belief isn’t the death of reason.
Tyrian has the best monologue but towards the end Davos was laying out better speeches like this one; he finished strong and with so many memorable moments like this one
This is around the time where GOT just absolutely went down the crapper. The old Jon Snow would've been utterly beside himself upon hearing a crime like this. And yet in this secene, completely unfazed.
The burning of Shireen was the most morally debilitating scene in the whole GoT series. I just didn't feel the same after watching that. And I could feel that from Stannis, his wife and army. How does anyone want to live after going through that? This is what religious fanaticism leads to when taken to its utmost extreme. Troops need morale before going into battle. This had the polar opposite effect.
@@user-gh5we2um2n I don't know what you heard about me But a bitch can't get a dollar out of me No Cadillac, no perms, you can't see That I'm a motherfuckin' P.I.M.P
@@LordDirus007 it’s fun when you’re with friends or relatives with a couple of drinks and shit but if you truly rewatch it, it makes no sense. Not to mention the whole thing could’ve been avoided in the first place.
Totally agree, season 6 had some of the last big hurrahs the show had left to give, it's just a shame it was brought lower by a lot of really terrible writing. This scene's great but we have to put up with Davos and Melisandre just kinda lounging around for an entire season because the writers were too scared to have them do anything else that might not give them the perfect setup for this one scene. I mean we don't even get a conversation between the 2 about Stannis, the man both had dedicated their lives purpose to beyond 'oh yeah, he died'.
Davos: tell them, tell them what you did to GoT D&D: We killed the Night King to please the feminists Davos: Why? D&D: The Winds of Winter was scrapped, GRRM was dying, it was the only way Davos: You ruined like the greatest show ever (man) D&D: We only do what HBO commands Davos: If your HBO commands Khaleesi to burn her subjects - thereby totally contradicitng the very moral fabric her entire claim was built on - HBO is evil... (Pause) D&D: You're reading this because of it, House of the Dragon will air because of it, Jon Snow is still alive because HBO willed it Davos: I loved that show like it was my own, it was good, it was kind and you killed Kylo Ren as well for no reason thinking about it you fkn turnips
jon przeniósł wzrok na mnie Co chcesz kochanie zapytał Opierając łapy o blat stołu na którym Siedziałam uśmiechnęłam rozpielam warstwy munduru patrząc w sufit czuję jego oddech z nosa i z ust Zlizał się zaprzestał tej czynności spójrzal mi w twarz uśmiechnęł się moja mała mądra asasynka Daliśmy czas na ucieczkę do kogoś rozerwał i w chlonoł w moje ciało delettujac nim Resztę w gdy będziemy sami żarłocznie pocałował moje usta
@@asanokatana That's a very good point you've made but they could have still give the show a better finale, after all s06 and 7 were brilliant without the books but s08 was just a disaster in every aspect not just the storyline also attention to details like Jamie`s hand appearing and that Starbucks coffee cup, something was very wrong there
@@asanokatana I agree with you wholeheartedly, he abandoned the ship, I hope he won't do the same to House of Dragon, I can't wait for the new season, I'm team Black 😉
This is great… too bad Davos forgot to give this kind of treatment to Tyrion, ya know… the guy who killed his SON who was actually his own, with Wildfyre.
@@VenomtheOne Melisandre was trying to win a battle. Same exact thing. War is war. If Stannis won the black water Tyrion would have been killed for what Stannis considered his war crimes. Same thing
“He commands you to burn children, your lord is evil”
I agree Sir Knight
I don't think Thoros of myre would have let her burn.
@@Mirthfultale he would never
Genesis 6.14
It's usually the humans fault.
Christian religion is the best example. How many where killed and also burned at the stake, in the name of GOD.
So that fits pretty much any religion, when it is taken to the FANATIC extreme.
@@eiyu-okuroryokan2634if God made everything, including what is good and bad, then by what standard can we measure God's goodness apart from the morality he supposedly instituted?
If God made the rules, whatever he does is good by default, even if it was to kill a kid. Or a dozen of them. Doesn't matter.
On the other hand, if God is good not because he made it so but because we can measure it, then there must be some things God didn't make such as morality.
Melisandre subscribes to the former.
Ser Davos subscribes to the latter.
This is why he's my favourite character.
yup one of the best actors on the show. He sells this hard. It is my favorite scene in season 6.
Agree. With Tyrion Lannister, is one of the smartest characters of the show.
same
Stole the words out of my mouth
Mines to, my favorite speech
I love how Jon never met Shireen, never seen her burned alive, but the gravity of Davos’ words and the fact he is an honest man made Jon side with him. Lord Snow knows who to trust.
And this is why honor wins in the end.
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother you got that right!
What do you mean he never met her? She was at the wall with him for over half a season
@@WayneMercythat's doesn't mean he personally met her.
Well, Melisandre didn't deny it, she even confirmed it... So Jon had no reason to distrust Davos...
I love how they shot this, Davos in the white of light and Melisandre in the shadows from the fire
What an observation!
1:22 "I loved that girl like she was my own. She was good. She was kind. And you killed her!"
The heartbroken inflections at "you killed her!" Sells that part for me.
Spot on that's the most powerful bit. Great acting
For me the “she was good. She was kind.” Hits especially hard when you reconsider the world they live in has hardly anyone truly good with no evil hiding beneath the surface
@@kevinescobar370 She taught him to read. He loved her like a daughter.
I wasn't sad when Shireen died. It was the "typical" GoT moment, it felt wrong yes, but didn't hit me in the feels.
Yet I cried like a baby listening to Davo's monologue. Liam Cunningham is a great actor, you could feel the pain the character was in, the anger, the need for justice.
God my eyes are watering.
It fucked me up. Only scene I won't watch. The only one.
"Typical"? A typical GoT moment was about subverting expectations. Shireen's murder wasn't about subverting expectations, it was about being shocking for the sake of being shocking. That disgusting moment was the moment the series died.
@@anthonyfarshaw8619 the series was already dead before that.
@@el34glo59 ironic since you don’t actually see anything (thankfully)
Davos is usually a quitet voice of reason. HERE its one of the moments when he actually shouts in anger. An excellent show of how moved, how angry he is here, because of Shireens painful death.
Ser Davos is just the best father figure of Westeros.❤️❤️😭
Nina Van H yes but je forgot his own sons killed by Lannister forces
@@atheistgirl4869 This is no contra-indiction. But it probably added; his sons did burn to death them too.
Hence the name: Onion knight
*cries*
Sometimes it feels so insane knowing these are just actors
Right? It sucks for them that they are not in anything else where we KNOW them, but it helps us keep their faces as just these people and nobody else.
Davos and Jon Snow were a powerful moral combination.
Davos was a far better hand to Jon than Tyrion ever was to Daney.
What I love is how Davos was always against Melisandra. Always wanting Stannis to be rid of her. And now he, his daughter, his wife, and his army are gone because of their faith in her. Davos is one of the few characters that earned the right to see "I told you."
The wail of sorrow and rage in his words....as they catch in his throat...is beyond acting.
Thank You, Liam Cunningham. Bravo
Awesome acting by Liam
In an amazing series the singular best piece of acting, arise sir Liam
truly one of the top actors in the whole serie!
He really was. Himself and Alfie Allen were great.
Davos always added the touch of "everyman" humanity.
Sir Davos is one of my most favorite characters.
Liam is such a gifted actor. Had the pleasure of meeting him afew years ago over a Guinness. He's genuinely such a good dude also.
I feel bad for both of the characters here. Davos loved that princess like no over like his own child as stated by him and the red woman as stupid as burning her was knows what she did was wrong as you can see her sense of wrong doing on her characters face.
Also, it's worth adding that Melisandre's goal had always been to kill the White Walkers. She had the absolute best intentions when it came to Stannis and Shireen here, but ultimately her fanaticism to protect from evil misguided her into killing an innocent in vain. It's really tragic, in a way.
Davos list his son before, you can really feel his pain to have to deal with another death of someone he loved with all his heart! 😭
Shireen's death was heartbreaking. She was some of the few truly benevolent souls in Got. Perhaps it is fitting that the gods revived Jon when Shireen was sacrificed, one good soul for another. But it is also fitting that Stannis and everyone who allowed Shireen's death to happen met their end when they sacrificed her.
Jon: "Take Melisandre outside, Ser Davos bring me my sword"
All of the buildup and investment in their relationship is what made this a powerful moment. The reading lessons, the visits to Davos while he was in a cell, the friendly banter between them is what made this such a tragedy for him. He was like a second father or beloved uncle.
Those shared journeys -- across land or through repeated scenes and dialogue -- in the earlier seasons made the show what it was. It fleshed out the characters and made them rounded, genuinely people with understandable motivations and coherent actions. The condensed final few seasons did away with that and tainted everything.
"i cAN help you win that war"
*Lights horse rider swords on fire who ride directly into death*
Great writing.
"This is Jon Snow.................. He's King in the north! "- another good scene
I would follow Davos Seaworth to the ends of the world!
I love his character
that last "tell him." you can feel it in your soul
Thanks for uploading this, I too found this particular scene heart-wrenching and really stood out from the series in a uniquely powerful way. God speed Sir Davos, such a good character!
Melisandre was by far the hottest women in GOT. Front runner by a country mile!
But Margaery tho
@@Dr_Weirdoo For sure, the thought "no" would never have crossed my mind, I just have Melisandre as pick og the litter. Totally my type.
Until she took off her necklace...theeeen....
Sorry, Talisa was the hottest of 'em all.
Osha for me. Don't know why but yes.
I love sir Davos speach
This was probably the angriest Davos has been in the entirety of the series. That last threat he makes - you can just see this volcanic rage erupting without containment.
Davos most incredible moment. It still gets me the hurt in his voice. I feel it, every word as he says it
Davos is my favorite Character, no matter what
"In the name of the Father I charge you to be Just"
This is a great scene. It's hard to watch, but I want to keep watching it. Liam Cunningham is being his character, and I found that to be true for the entire run of the series. That's the mark of a fantastic actor.
I never realized how much I loved see Davos until I watched this series a second time.
Even as Jon was resurrected by her, it can be seen that at least Jon was not quick to side with her as Stannis was. Jon knew he was resurrected, that her connection to supernatural powers were the cause of it, but unlike Stannis, Jon was fighting in order to save lives, not to claim his "right" to the Throne.
Give us the Jon Snow series so we can see him and Davos together again.
"if he comands you to burn children, your lord is evil" let that be a leason...
I seem to recall that the God of the Jews, Christians and Muslims instructs Abraham to kill his son, Isaac and sacrifice him as a 'burnt offerring'; and people wonder why there are atheists.
@@derekfancett8218 well if I'm not mistaken he does tell Abraham not to do it anymore.
But than again you gotta admit that giving someone a quick death is far less horrifying that burning someone alive, that being literally the most painful death possible
Davos is my favorite character in this show. He’s awesome
Season 6, apart from a few things, was still utterly magnificent
No, recomend you read the books to see what your missing out. But s6 was still miles better than the next 2
Its too bad they didn’t do anything with his character after this season as this scene was so powerful, while I didn’t like what they ultimately did with Stannis compared to his book counterpart, it made the set up to one off my favourite scenes.
If ever a cinematic character was created that has been absolutely shattered, It's Davos Seaworth discovering that the Daughter he wished was his own, has been burnt at the stake 😭😭😭 ❤️🔥❤️🔥😢😢
I’m glad other peoples fav character is Davos. One of the few shows where a character actually touched me, and actually made me forget it’s acting.
Melisandre always has a smirk of some kind when she's burning people. Where's that smirk now?
“Aye, you were wrong. How many died because you were wrong?”
They still needed her to light the swords on fire for the Dothraki so we could watch them go out when they charged to their deaths for no reason outside the castle
Ha ha ha!! Another mistake on her part she didn't forsee.
😂😂😂
So good!
He is the best of all of them....
Best scene of the show
I understand the moral stance that George takes however in the books and show you had Davos being a real standup guy and one of the few moral true north characters you can get. He is a man who knows what he is and seeks to better himself, he is a man who does his damndest everyday to do what he thinks is right. He tells Stannis to his face just what he thinks and he gives him the pure honest truth no matter what it may cost him. Truly the 7 kingdoms has know few better lords than him.
Probably the first time Davos showed genuine fury...and genuine heartbreak... Poor Shireen...
This scene Davos the character should have got nominated for an Emmy.
A masterclass in taking shit writing and making a decent scene out of it through sheer force of will.
This scene was easily his best performance of the show, in an episode full of amazing moments. This was award-worthy despite being "filler" in the episode that gave us the bombing of the sept, Tommen's suicide, R+L=J confirmed, AND Daney taking sail for Westeros.
This is the speech needed to give to so many religious leaders. If your Lord tells you to hurt innocent people (like killing children) then your lord is Evil, end of discussion.
Best character in got
liam cunningham you honour ireland well, fucking amazing actor
This is one of the greatest dangers of religion. Mel believed so strongly that she was right, that her god was telling her what had to be done to fulfill destiny, that she was willing to do something unspeakably awful. Obviously she feels remorse, she’s not outright evil, but she also didn’t question anything until that point.
Aemon said “Love is the death of duty.”
I’m starting to wonder if belief isn’t the death of reason.
Davos was a great character.
Love Davos, best character in the show
poor Jon at 1:18 is like: oh, please don't drag me into this!
You see that catch by The Red Woman? Nice reflexes fire crotch
BAHAHA
why so good?
AND YA KILLED ER!
The best time of jon his prime
This hits hard after reading yesterdaty about a baby left alone in her crib for 10 days while her mother went on vaction. Children must be protected
Tyrian has the best monologue but towards the end Davos was laying out better speeches like this one; he finished strong and with so many memorable moments like this one
Was her part to help Stannis lose, so that Jon could take the lead?
She mightve been wrong. But damn she had some great 🦉🦉
Did he make it from the final battle? I don't recall seeing him at the end
This is around the time where GOT just absolutely went down the crapper. The old Jon Snow would've been utterly beside himself upon hearing a crime like this. And yet in this secene, completely unfazed.
Because he's seen so much dark shit in his life, this is nothing new.
He is alive because of her, it's not that simple bro. Never is that simple.
The burning of Shireen was the most morally debilitating scene in the whole GoT series. I just didn't feel the same after watching that. And I could feel that from Stannis, his wife and army. How does anyone want to live after going through that? This is what religious fanaticism leads to when taken to its utmost extreme. Troops need morale before going into battle. This had the polar opposite effect.
i should stop watching these bits and watch that shit whole again :D
3:24 and when she did came back, Sir Davos didn't execute her.
Bummer they did not make any episodes after this one. It had potential.
GoT Davos deserved better
.
This is the very first scene in GoT that made me cry like a baby.
Is this why they call him the "onion knight"? Cause his pain brings a tear to my eye?
I love Melissandre ❤️
Fuck you!
you SIMP
@@user-gh5we2um2n I don't know what you heard about me
But a bitch can't get a dollar out of me
No Cadillac, no perms, you can't see
That I'm a motherfuckin' P.I.M.P
@DUP 🏴🙌
Ahh, the good old days. When the writing was still decent, and Jon Snow was an actual character. Not a plot device.
The great war is coming... that lasted 1 episode...😐
Her mother killed herself because she couldn't live with the guilt
The scene aside, the actress playing Melisandre is imho the hottest woman in the series.
Season 6 has so many shit moments balanced out by scenes like this and the wildlings coming to defend Jon
Season 6 was awesome. Battle of the Bastards
@@LordDirus007 it’s fun when you’re with friends or relatives with a couple of drinks and shit but if you truly rewatch it, it makes no sense. Not to mention the whole thing could’ve been avoided in the first place.
Totally agree, season 6 had some of the last big hurrahs the show had left to give, it's just a shame it was brought lower by a lot of really terrible writing. This scene's great but we have to put up with Davos and Melisandre just kinda lounging around for an entire season because the writers were too scared to have them do anything else that might not give them the perfect setup for this one scene. I mean we don't even get a conversation between the 2 about Stannis, the man both had dedicated their lives purpose to beyond 'oh yeah, he died'.
He only spared her cause she saved his life he’s killed others for less
Davos mvp
seeing this I dont remember/understand how Mel got back to winterfell in season 8
She just showed up
As good as this scene was I hated it. I wanted Jon and Mel to kick ass together
Davos: tell them, tell them what you did to GoT
D&D: We killed the Night King to please the feminists
Davos: Why?
D&D: The Winds of Winter was scrapped, GRRM was dying, it was the only way
Davos: You ruined like the greatest show ever (man)
D&D: We only do what HBO commands
Davos: If your HBO commands Khaleesi to burn her subjects - thereby totally contradicitng the very moral fabric her entire claim was built on - HBO is evil...
(Pause)
D&D: You're reading this because of it, House of the Dragon will air because of it, Jon Snow is still alive because HBO willed it
Davos: I loved that show like it was my own, it was good, it was kind and you killed Kylo Ren as well for no reason thinking about it you fkn turnips
HBO has nothing to do with kylo Ren, and they offered D&D more seasons.
#dispandpsni
jon przeniósł wzrok na mnie
Co chcesz kochanie zapytał
Opierając łapy o blat stołu na którym
Siedziałam uśmiechnęłam rozpielam
warstwy munduru patrząc w sufit
czuję jego oddech z nosa i z ust
Zlizał się zaprzestał tej czynności
spójrzal mi w twarz uśmiechnęł się
moja mała mądra asasynka
Daliśmy czas na ucieczkę do kogoś
rozerwał i w chlonoł w moje ciało
delettujac nim
Resztę w gdy będziemy sami
żarłocznie pocałował moje usta
The evil are the creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss who gave Jon Snow the worst unjustified and unfair Finale ever
@@asanokatana That's a very good point you've made but they could have still give the show a better finale, after all s06 and 7 were brilliant without the books but s08 was just a disaster in every aspect not just the storyline also attention to details like Jamie`s hand appearing and that Starbucks coffee cup, something was very wrong there
@@asanokatana I agree with you wholeheartedly, he abandoned the ship, I hope he won't do the same to House of Dragon, I can't wait for the new season, I'm team Black 😉
Performance = 10.0
Writing = 💩
It's amazing how they butchered this series. What a shame.
This is great… too bad Davos forgot to give this kind of treatment to Tyrion, ya know… the guy who killed his SON who was actually his own, with Wildfyre.
Tyrion was defending his city. Different story.
@@VenomtheOne Melisandre was trying to win a battle. Same exact thing. War is war. If Stannis won the black water Tyrion would have been killed for what Stannis considered his war crimes. Same thing
to be honest princes shireen asked for it and got what she deserved
Terible, absolutely terrible writting.
Good acting, terrible writing