Ser Alliser Thorne (Owen Teale) Leads The Charge In Castle Black - Game of Thrones
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- Battle of Castle Black (S04E09) from Alliser Thorne's POV
Ser Alliser Thorne rallies the Night's Watch in their defense of Castle Black against Mance Rayder's army. - Zábava
Thorne is a perfect example of the complexity of writing. He is an antagonist to the protagonist, but unlike normal, terrible shows he isn't evil or corrupt just mean spirited but wants the same goal as the protagonist, from different methods. Excellent writing, he's less fleshed out in the books, but the blacksmith fills half of the reliability.
One of the down sides to the tv show is that they are necessarily forced to cut out a lot of character background. Thorne isn't a dick to Jon just to be a dick. He has personal grievances against Ned dating back to Robert's Rebellion and has grown bitter having to sit on the wall for 15 years just because he stayed loyal to the wrong King.
Josh Smith Thorne isn't very complexly written at all, though, lol.
complex writing isn't saying he is complex lol.
mylifefortheoldfish He wasn't in the books, no. I think a lot of the character's complexity in the show is down to Owen Teal's performance. I've been a fan of his for quite some time. Very solid actor.
Josh Smith And saying he's complex doesn't mean he's complex because he isn't complex. Deal with it.
The one time we liked Thorne
And last time, mate. Man, fuck the Watch...
And I began liking Alliser. So much for that :(
+James Wheeler Thorne is a great character... probably one of my favorite. He sees the reality of every situation and doesn't sugarcoat anything.
+Mmmmkay126 well no because he was blinded by hatred of the willing so much that he couldn't see that bringing them south of the wall was obviously the right thing to do
*wildlings
Mmmmkay126 In the books, that is. In the books, he didn't even stab Jon...
I absolutely love how Aliser sees Giantsbane as the most deadly enemy and goes right after him during the battle. True leader.
Thorne is a colossal prick, but he's not a coward and he's not a fool. One more reason to like Game of Thrones... it doesn't have the black-and-white characters other shows love to trot out.
that comment didnt age well...
well the show went a bit crazy Alliser wasnt meant to stab Jon but that kinda fit the character: to him letting wildlings in was treason, in his mind he was doing the moral thing
You guys know what I wonder.... how Ser Alliser would’ve reacted if he would’ve ever found out Jon was a Targeryan
@@STONECOLD1988 probably still hate him I reckon but not as much or as overtly
True. By which I found strange that him and Janos were such close mates, because he was a fool and a complete fucking coward.
"You know what leadership means, Lord Snow? It means the person in charge gets second guessed by every clever little twat with a mouth. But if he starts second guessing himself, that's the end...for him...for the clever little twats...for everyone." THIS is one of the finest and realistic dialogues ever written.
You stole my picture.
It's OK...vulgar
Amazing how a line written for the show only is this good. Shows when they wanted to, the writers (D and D) could write incredible dialogue. They just chose not to later on.
@@anguswiebe Imo, vulgarity doesn't diminish quality at all. Substance is what matters. Not being as polite as possible and avoiding the use of naughty words.
@@anguswiebeyou ever held a conversation with someone in the military? The vulgarity adds realism
"With me now, now with me!" Who would not follow someone into battle with a line like that?!
I would #respectandloveforallythorne
varun jadwani the best line in the series was when the Hound said "Brienne of fucking Tarth"
chookalatemuffin "If Any Man Dies With A Clean Sword, I'll Rape His Fucking Corpse! "
varun jadwani I wouldn't want to talk to Ser Allister at a dinner party, but I'd follow him to war.
***** Ser Alliser aint a dinner type of guy lol
Alliser: Brother Slynt, you have the wall!!!
Janos Slynt: WHAATT!??
LMAO
Janos 'i has friends in the capital' Slynt wasn't ready for this!
Jon's like ohhhh shit
If only Janos wasn't responsible for Ned's death, I wouldn't mind him living. He was an asshole, but he was funny.
Janos Slynt’s the kind of guy who adds random people on LinkedIn and expects them to back him up a decade down the road
WHOT!?
The fact Thorne holds his own vs Tormund, a younger and more fierce fighter is impressive. You can tell he learned to fight in a castle.
He was great before castle
@@V1ert I think what @NNC Productions Inc. meant was that Thorne learned to fight while he was still young as a lord in a castle.Way before he was sent to the Watch and even before Robert’s rebellion.
@@stanislavgalev9458 Thorne was never lord, just knight.
@@V1ert Perhaps, but he learned to fight well before he took part in any real battles.
@@stanislavgalev9458 true, but he also fought in real battles, like one at kingslanding
" A hundred generations have defended this castle. We've never fallen before! And we will not fall tonight. Those are Thenns at our walls. They eat the fleshh of the men they kill. Do you want to fill the belly of a Thenn tonight?"
"NOOOOOO!!"
"Tonight we fight! And when the sun rises I promise you Castle Black will stand! The Night's Watch will stand! With me now, now with me!!!"
Respect to Ser Alliser
haven't watched this scene in 2 years and I just got major goosebumps
And Jon's stupid mission causes the wall to fall in 10 seconds.
The most badass speech of Got !
@@jackxiao9702 The nightwatch was doomed anyway, they wouldn't have survived a second night of onslaught from the wildlings. Jon desperate mission wasn't a bad idea in such circumstances
thats some theoden/aragorn like speech
i may hate Alister Thorne but i would totally follow him into battle
I think his advice on leadership was actual insightful in this clip.
why would any sane person hate him? fucking plebs
I actually never really hated him despite all the shit he did, atleast he was honorable and was no pussy.
He earned my intense respect after this. Died like a fucking man, and I loved him for it. Wasn't a weak wuss like Janos.
Until he eats you
Loved this scene. It wasn't a "You're not half bad, Snow" or Alliser going. "I like you now and will totally support you" but it was a. "You were right. I was wrong. If we all do our jobs against the real threat we can hate each other tomorrow."
Yes, it was exactly in character for the utter hardass that Ser Alliser is known to be. He earned my respect in this episode though, I remember watching it with friends. He was no coward!
Then the writing for the show became generic
This scene was prob so fun to shoot lol. The speeeeeeech was amazing
If it were the last season Alliser would've proclaimed Jon as king and Jon would've said: "I DUN WUNT ET! SHEE IZ MUH QWWEENNNN!"
No shit, we watched the scene. You just typed out exactly what happened wtf….
I love how he sees a dangerous enemy and runs straight for him to try and spare his men. Nothing but respect.
Just that image of him being dragged off, wounded, still screaming at everyone "hold the fucking Gate!" is a big part of what makes this character so great
Reminds me of Erwin in AOT
@@somtosznfr 😩
@@somtoszn *SUSUMUUUUHHHH*
"DOES FOOKIN´ HOLD mean FOOKIN´ DROP?!" - Ser Alliser FOOKIN´ Thorne
NO SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hes a fooking legend!! A fooking legend.
***** Piss in ANY fookin' cornah.
Sondre Bjerkeset old comment, but DRAW
@@fonzyfermin8896
DOES NOCK MEAN DRAW?!
"I SAID NOCK AND HOLD, YOU CUNTS! DOES 'NOCK' MEAN 'DRAW'?"
"No, sir!"
"DOES FUCKING 'HOLD' MEAN FUCKING 'DROP'?"
No, sir!"
"ARE YOU ALL PLANNING TO DIE HERE TONIGHT?"
"NO, SIR!"
"THAT'S VERY GOOD TO HEAR!"
By far the most hilarious and inspirational speech of the series :')
Dartanius100 CONTS!
Dartanius100 What I love most about it is he's speaking like he's running a training drill. On the one hand, it's hilarious. On the other, it serves to calm and motivate the men.
I like Tyrion's "These are brave men knocking at our door...let's go kill them!", but this is a good one too!
I think the best part about it was Jon, standing right there, just thinking to himself, "Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say a fucking word."
John Smith Funny you should mention that, as I commented on that video too XD "AND WHOEVER KILLS THAT FUCKING HORNBLOWER" :')
Look how Thorne fights, like an officer style, I was hyped in this scene.
Well he was a knight who fought for the Targeryans
+Swol BrohamLincoln
No he was a dress maker and makeup artist somewhere in Dorne , did you even read the books braaaaaah ??
no he's not, he was a fighter in the sack of king's landing
"fighter in the sack" more like a murderer ))
He does feel so much like an officer.
This series is amazing. It can make you completely loathe a character one moment, then find them completely awesome the next. I hated Ser Alliser Thorne for the entirety of season one, and then in one battle he proved himself to be one the biggest badasses on the Wall. I would be glad to follow him into battle.
There is plenty still to hate about Ser Alliser Thorne but he was always a badass. However he became a badass through bitter experience which turned him into a nasty bastard, as proven by his stories relating to his ranging beyond the wall in Season 1.
I couldn't have said it better myself.......Completely agree.
***** Yeah I agree with you. You may not like him but you will gladly follow Ser Alliser into battle to die if you have to. You may despise him but you can't deny Ser Alliser sure can kick some Wildling ass. As Commander Mormont said in Season 1, ''I don't need him to be charming. I need him to turn these bunch of thieves and runaways into men of the Night's Watch''.
Yeah but you gotta give the upper hand to Tormund Giantsbane here
Krisb BeatS Tormund was just simply stronger. That was actually a pretty nasty cut that he gave Ser Alliser. I wonder is he still alive or is he dead since we didn't see him in the next episode and since Jon said ''Who's left to give orders'', it may be implied that Ser Alliser is dead. I hope he's not though as he has become an interesting character and I would love to see him return in Season 5. Also if you or anyone here has read the books and knows what happens to Ser Alliser, please don't tell me what happens to him
Credit where credit is due, D&D made alliser Thorne and Jon’s dynamic so much better. Thorne isn’t cartoonishly evil he just believes in a different harsher style of leadership. The scene between the two of them about second guess was great writing and acting
D&D did pretty well when they framework was in place and they had something to work off of or add to. Once they were in open water and when Star Wars was knocking was when they started to royally fuck things up.
As much as I agree with you I do have to note that the fact that this plays out differently than it does in the books does not mean that D&D are directly responsible.
In fact I think several of the really good ‘new’ scenes in season 1, for example, were fully written by George RR Martin himself.
That does of course also mean that D&D weren’t always behind the ‘bad’ additions either.
And then they kind of ruin it by not giving the mutiny any real reason to mutiny. Jon in the books is literally being selfish by aging his little sister
Actually, Thorne has nothing against pampered people. The only thing he has against Jon is the fact that he has the blood of Ned Stark, who rebelled against the Iron Throne years ago. Thorne fought for the Mad King.
Yeah, that's a lot of it right there. Also, as Chief Drill Instructor for the KW, he's supposed to something of a dick anyway.
Interesting distinction but I accept the point as valid :)
Which resulted in him having live the rest of his life in a dank and cold castle surrounded by petty thieves and rapists
House Thorne were loyalists, if only he'd known of Jon's true ancestory, he may have been his biggest fan.
Imagine the shock he would've had if he'd learned Snow was actually of Targaryen, blood.
The Gordon Ramsey of Castle Black.
roadrunneruntd I'd love to see Thorne, Gordon Ramsay, Fletcher from Whiplash and that Sergeant from Full Metal Jacket in a fight with one another.
No Gordon Ramsey’s the cook with the giant ass clever
Who knew Thorne was such a badass? The dude has balls of steel!
***** Night's Watch it's Night's Watch nt Kight's watch
yeah the guy had balls, no question. But he is still a stuck-up dick.
Who knew? Duh. We knew. The real fans. Man's an anointed Knight mate
The guys only on the wall because he supported the targaryens during Roberts rebellion. The fact he survived the war and was valuable enough to be sent to the should be all you need to know to prove that fact lol
"...and you get to go on hating me..."
Anyone else notice how he's staring right into the camera as he says this?
I feel like Tormund did those Mount and Blade Warband voices
That's a nice head you have on your shoulders
+MysteriousGamer wow good ear my man
hahahahaa
Hail to you brother of war
+Declan McCartney dat a noice had you have on ya shouiders
I never really liked Thorne but that is a man worth following to combat.
He may be an asshole, but his skills are legendary.
True story lad ;) you got my respect for this awsome comment ;)
Legendary? :) no.... but he is a knight among a lot of convicted and untrained men.
Vlad Bayard And i respect your right to think so, just know it is not wanted here.
I concur. Thorne is an utter ass, but he's gotten some character development.
Some are surprised at how well he can fight, but the fact remains he *IS* a Knight. And there's the fact that in the Night's Watch, surrounded by the cold on all sides and beset by the threat of the Wildlings and worse, you have to be either really smart or tough as nails to rise in rank.
It's easy to see why he'd be so bitter: Having lived loyal to the Targaryens, he was given the choice of death or taking the Black. Then there's the fact he's seen truly terrible things beyond The Wall: Men dying and coming back as Wights. Ice-monsters, and other horrible things.
***** Has he seen ice monesters or zombies?? No he hasn't. And the simple fact that he's a knight made him be an officer of the Night's Watch. The other members were so untrained that he didn't have any real competition. As proof of this take the first episode of GOT, we see 3 rangers, who is the leader? 18 years old ser Waymar Royce, even if the other 2 are very experienced rangers. He had just joined the NW.
The final words of Ser Alliser Throne "Hold the fucking gate" a true badass moment for the Night's Watch
He isn't dead...
Sorry meant Finals words for the season
Deathreaper582 Ah.
Respect to the Thorne man #isaidknockandholdyoucunts
Deathreaper582 He's still alive in Season 5
Ser Alliser was AMAZING in this episode. Well done to the writers for the awesome turnaround in his character
Yeah, they did him justice. In the books he is always an ambivalent character. He is kind of an asshole to Jon and the others, but you can also sympathize a bit with him.
TheGreySpacer
I never had the impression that he was more than a cartoon pseudovillain in the books, there are no redeeming scenes that explain why is he always antagonizing Jon ( other than because he is a true highborn and Jon an uppity bastard). But in the show they made him a way more round character.
J Jo
In the book he knows that Jon is Ned Starks son, Ned forced him to take the black after they won Roberts rebellion since Allister was with Aerys II at the time.
J Jo SPOILERS actually,in ADWD,when Alliser Thorne is sent beyond the wall,he knows he is probably going to die,and he says Jon something like "I spent a third of my life trying to teach the basics of combat to rascals,paesants and thieves".In that moment,knowing how much frustration and bitterness haunt him(he was sent to a horrible place after he lost the war fighting for the losing side) I symphatized withThorne.
Well I think we just never got the chance to see this side of him. His character is pretty typical. The battle-hardened asshole commander. When there's no fighting going on, he's just an asshole that bosses you around. But I think the actor did a great job in this scene getting the point across that there's a reason he's the new commander of the Night's Watch.
Ser Alliser was once a fairly well known knight sworn to the Iron Throne, He mainly served the Targaryens and was there the day House Lannister pillaged King's Landing. Ser Alliser was wounded and taken captive at which point Tywin Lannister gave him a choice of Death or The Wall. Ser Alliser chose the wall and since then has always been a miserable cunt. In the attack of the wildlings on Castle Black, Alliser's Courage and Leadership shined bright again!
Wormy Gamer i wouldn't say he was a miserable cunt, but maybe pissed off too much with everything n everyone.
If only he knew Jon was a Targaryen!
@@areader2253 Would have been first to call him king
To be fair he was in a Sack protecting the people from the Lannister army who plundered raped and murdered the City.
And was punished while the aforementioned pillagers walked free
I think he fought and survived the trident
gotta be honest, this is THE single greatest episode in the entire series
Ser Alliser Thorne. A FOOKIN' LLEGEND! Not a pleasant man, but a badass First Ranger.
Agreed.
Seasons 1-4 is still some of the best television on the planet. Right up there with The Wire and early House M.D. in my opinion. Also Breaking Bad.
@@maradjade1848 Don’t forget The Sopranos
@@roronoalaw7772 never seen it. It's not my type of show.
The fight between Ser Alliser and Tormund was so well choreographed. Very awesome scene, to go from loathing Ser Alliser to hoping he holds Castle Black.
Well, choreographed, rly?
4:25 Tormund is open and unarmored. A slight thrust, and he's dead. Instead Thorne goes for a loooooooooooong-ass swing that a paraplegic would've dodged.
@@AlknixOk, it ain't perfect, but it's still enjoyable!
Don't care what anyone says, Thorne is fucking great.
+LastRiver Was..
Mr Blonde fewer
*stannis smirks*
Then you have no sense of justice.
Ser Alliser may be a lousy option as a Lord Commander, but he does a good job as a battlefield commander for a fight like this. A pity he turned traitor at the end of the last season.
+Daniel Haire Depends on the definition of traitor. In his eyes, Jon is the traitor for saving the Wildlings, the very people the Nights Watch are meant to stop crossing the wall. Obviously I understand why Jon did it, but from Ser Allister';s perspective what he did was perfectly in line with his duty.
Top Hattington
Except the wildlings weren't the Nights Watch's real enemy. The White Walkers and their undead were the reason the Watch was formed. But without seeing the Walkers for centuries, People like Alliser just transferred that over time to the wildlings who had the objective of getting south of the Wall where it was safe. If Alliser had recognized that and not been blinded by his hatred of the wildlings, he could have been a major player and asset, instead he's only pyre fuel.
Daniel Haire I can sort of see why he would be that way though. There's a great scene way back in Season 1 where Ser Allister tells them about the shit he went through beyond the wall fighting the Wildings. Remember, many Wildlings are rapists and murderers. There's a lot of bad blood between the Night's Watch and the Wildlings, and given how much Ser Allister has given in order to keep them north of the wall, being ordered to just let them pass is a bitter pill to swallow, and is an act of treason in his eyes. Whilst the White Walkers are certainly a threat, simply letting those you've been fighting for so many years at the order of a man you hate is going to change a man like Thorne. Whilst he's an asshole, he's at least got reasonable motivations for what he does.
Not a traitor man he just followed his gut
He's a cunt.
Alliser has the best accent on the show
poleag I want to meet the actor who plays Ser Alliser just so he can call me a ''bastard''.
*YOU FOOKIN CONTS*
This scene beautifully shows how a strong leader can turn the tides on the battlefield. Alliser does a perfect job of letting his men know what hell awaits them, but then gives them a dose of invincibility nested in a history lesson. A man who fights without fear is a dangerous thing.
Dang son! Tormund is like an orc from World of Warcraft lol, so ferocious!
+Rationalthought83 thx , this is fun
+Rationalthought83 For the Horde!
Ser Alliser Thorne, sent to the Wall for being faithful to the Targaryens.... oh the irony :)
You can say what you want about the bastard, but by seven hells that man's got balls.
but is ignorant
+Iron Duke Ikr. I admire how loyal he is, and how devoted he is to his duty. I could understand that he was pissed that Jon brought in the Wildings, but he didn't see past his hatred. He should have gone to Hardhome and seen the Night King for himself.
heyheyheyheyheyhey76 what i'v also just realised was that ser Alliser was a Targaryen loyalist during Robert's rebellion, and after the defeat he could chose between death or the wall.
so this also explains his hatred for Jon the ''son'' of lord Stark who won the war and got him send to the wall.
Iron Duke
Wait until he finds out that Jon is a Targaryen. (I'm not saying it's definite, but I for one believe in the theory. There's quite a lot to back it up.) Robert has often claimed Rhaegar to be a complete savage and a cruel bastard, seeing as he "kidnapped" and "raped" Lyanna. However, in a scene with Baelish and Sansa when they are down in the crypt Sansa says "and he raped her" or something like that, but Baelish looks at her with a slight smirk and look of knowing, so he knows the truth about Lyanna and Rhaegar, and that maybe the latter isn't the monster that he has been said to be, and Lyanna got pregnant with Jon under consensual circumstances. There's also the scene with Daenerys and Ser Barristan, the latter says "Rhaegar never liked killing. He loved singing." Ser Barristan along with Baelish may know very well about what went down in the Tower of Joy. Plus, there's that scene with Melisandre and Jon when she asks him whether or not he's had sex yet. "Are you a virgin?" Now, it may be just a coincidence, but she seduced Stannis, who is the one true King of The Seven Kingdoms, and also Gendry, who even may be a bastard, is legitimately the heir to the Iron Throne, seeing as Tommen, Myrcella and the prick Joffrey (even dead) were all inbred, even if they don't know it themselves, so they have no blood that gives them the Throne. Mel may know about the deeds between Jaime and Cersei and that Gendry is the only one who has blood that lets him have the Throne. She may know about the truth between Rhaegar and Lyanna too, and that Jon is the heir to the Throne, hence her well let's just say "INTEREST" in asking Jon was he a virgin, and thus later trying to seduce him. Sorry I know that's a lot haha. Back to the point, wait until Thorne finds out that Jon is a Targaryen, he'll be thinking "Holy fuck, why did I decide to kill one of the last remaining Targaryens?"
+Iron Duke Jon Snow, the guy who take the shit for Ned's decisions.
The whole conversation is like:
Alliser: You got what it takes to be leader, Lord Snow.
Jon Snow: Thank you sir.
Alliser: Let's hope we can stick it to them so I can go back to hating you without fearing for my life.
Jon Snow: Sounds good to me.
+MJk Slasher And then they both literally kill eachother.
+MJk Slasher They would both be dead next
Basically that. XD
Imagine if Alliser knew that Jon is Targaryen. He'd call him a king and probably become his most loyal servant in a split second. Alliser was one of the few who remained loyal to Targeryens after their fall. It's strange how lack of awareness can make people do horrible mistakes...
you mean layers of lies make people do horrible things? aside from the very obvious HOTD, Princess Rhaenyra childs are *ehem* obviously bastard, but jon is a black hair, plus his character make him every bit of a Stark, so how could anyone tells it was him?
@@uctrong3268 No, lack of awareness.
@@saultigh4304I guess, no one really knew shit about him though. Since we're on the topic of secret heritage, I do think It's very bizarre that Ned stark doesn't ever reveal Jon's heritage to Robert and Catelyn, due to the obvious dire consequences of doing so, BUT, he will blatantly, and carelessly reveal joffreys incest to cersie. WHY???? Ned clearly understands conceptually that these kinds of secrets are best left kept safe, but then he still knowingly discloses the most dangerous one to cersie. Disclosing joffreys incest right to cercies face. While also being aware of the fact that the last hand of the king died because of this info too. This starts an entire war. What a fucking idiot. Wtf was Ned thinking? Wtf was his plan? Though irl, Ned would've been untouchable, but still, his choices were fucking stupid.
I doubt that would be the case considering his loyalty came from his societal obligations.
He wouldn't. Everyone in Westeros hated Rhaegar for starting the war because he had taken Lyanna Stark.
You know he may be an asshole but i respect Alliser as a warrior...... he can give a good speech and he's a damn good swordsmen
This whole Episode blew Blackwater out of...well, the water.
"...and Now His Watch Is Ended.."
Being pulled in heavily wounded and still screaming to hold that fucking gate.
Chuck Norris is a joke compared to him, This is the Chuck Norris of GoT :))
I remember watching these scenes and thinking, "I hate you, ser. But please don't die."
Had Alliser known that Jon was both a Targaryen and a Stark, they would've had a Snape-Harry Potter relationship going on.
not really, they throw away their family name when joining the watch
@@ThePointlessBox_ Well I doubt about that cuz Thorne literally hated jon for being a stark
so true. alliser/severus both hated one of the protags "parents" (ned stark*/james potter) and loved the other parent (rhaegar targaryen/lily potter).
"With me now..........now with Me"
Holy crap! A Game of Thrones battle at night that I can actually see? Inconceivable!
Y'ALL PLAN TO DIE HERE TONIGHT?!?!?
NO, SIR!!
Beowulf DW THAT'S VERY GOOD TO HEAR. DRAW~
AND bLurjdmal mdmamskkskaak
NO SIR!!!!!
NO SER!!!
Thorne wasn't a bad guy, he just did his job to the best he could and what he believed
+sufian abuahmad
i hate that he betrayed jon snow after jon trusted him. but i do like thorne still.
More like “The Campers on the Wall” lol
In all seriousness, this episode is brilliant, and CERTAINLY one of the best in the show.
Great actor, great character. Voice is perfect.
This battle was better than The Battle of Winterfell
Because we can actually see it lol
I don't understand why they lit their arrows. Wouldn't it just waste time in firing? It didn't even spread onto the wildling clothing, what killed them was the impact of the arrowhead. They're probably easier to see and dodge by lighting them on fire as well.
cause it looks cool man does there need to be any other reason@@groyperfuhr4871
@@groyperfuhr4871 I know it's late but it probably has the same idea of tracing bullets.
@@terrencelozada79 idk man with bullets it works because of the rapid fire rate. with arrows by the time you can rack and draw another shot the target will have moved drastically for tracking the shot to be useful
Most underrated battle in the whole show, by far one of my favourites
Owen Teale really did Thorne justice with a fantastic performance. Start to end.
Alliser thorne is a man like stannis. He did his duty and obeyed the law, nothing more, nothing less.
I love this scene so much. This entire episode was amazing. Jon Snow still completely respecting Ser Allistar's rank and position despite not liking each other, and Ser Allistar indirectly telling Snow he should've listened to him sooner. This is probably my favorite episode of the entire series.
For whatever else he was, I'm glad they made Aliser actually a good fighter, and one that was genuinely committed to his duty, at least as he saw it
One of my favorite characters. He was a hard man but he was a fair and loyal man. He did what he thought was the right thing. He’s one of the few Crows that had honor.
Totally agree.
I'm gunna miss Thorne. He did what he thought was right, lost, and still died like a man. His speech in this clip will forever be one of my favorite moments in GOT. I was so high when I first watched this scene I started cheering with him when he charged. No show has made me do that before.
+Rams4life94 LOL i remember watching this episode for the first time and i was stoned as fuck. giggled like an idiot when Thorne said "i said nock and hold you cunts", then i got super hyped watching this scene... and later cried like a girl when watching Grenn died while reciting the Nights Watch vow
"Do u all want to die here?!!"
"No sir"
"Well, that's very good to hear"
Laughing my balls out
The Battle of the Wall in a Nutshell:
Thieves, Rapists, and Murderers VS Thieves, Rapists, and Murderers
criminals v criminals
You missed out Cannibals.
"HOLD THE FUCKING GATE!! HOLD IT!!!!"
+MrDibara you gotta hand it to the asshole, he sure as hell has balls. even after tormund injured him he wasn't just gonna ignore his men
+MrDibara focking*
I think you meant "Fooookin'"
You foocking cont
+MrDibara DOES FOOKING HOLD MEANS FOOKING DROP ?!?!?!?
Best Battle in Game of thrones so far
They said that Battle of bastards is better for many reasons
But I say this Battle was the best
An entire episode of 55 mins that takes place in one place something wonderful
Battle of the bastards is visually amazing but it lacks logic or substance to top this amazing battle sequence
@@thefilmadvocate6192 Yeah Watchers on the Wall felt the most like a coherent battle in the show. Every strategy and tactic felt well thought out and there wasn't really any plot armor.
Saying that "these people are going to eat you if they win" is a pretty damn good motivator
That is one of the best things I've heard since Tyrion's rallying speech at the Blackwater.
"I said nock and hold, you cunts! Does nock mean draw?! Does fucking hold mean fucking drop?! You all plan to die here tonight?!"
DOES FUCKING HOLD MEAN FUCKING DROP?!?!?
Jason O' Driscoll NO SER!!!!!
Tauriel Daughter of Mirkwood VERY GOOD!!
TANK YOU SER!!!!!
Jason O' Driscoll I said knock and hold you CONTS!
Truly, like many others, I loathed See Alliser since the beginning. And I had already read the books (till DwtD), and had read the chapters on the Battle of Castle Black. In the books, See Alliser is more of a hindrance rather than a hero during the battle.
But the show... It's amazing to see that they've managed to make brilliant use of the character. Owen plays it wonderfully, and I too have found new respect for See Thorns. Especially his speech while rallying the rangers is absolutely marvellous!
The way he battles against all odds, with courage and determination, and all the whole inspiring others around him, it is superb!
Long live Ser Alliser!
Say what you will about Alliser, but no one can deny that he is a fantastic commander and leader
What an amazing character he turned out to be. Love is accent and his pure loyalty. A real leader, yes Jon was right but the respect Jon gives him even when they hate each other bad. They know there is only one task at hand and that is defending the wall. CASTLE BLACK WILL STANDDDDD!!!
Absolutely!
“That’s very good to hear!” What a great accent! This was his moment. Love when Ser Alliser swings around the beam to protect from Tormand…what a great move. Likely learned his swordsmanship from Ser Arthur Dwayne.
01:18-His reaction gets me every time.
About Alliser Thorne:
Season 4 : "Fuck, This guy!!!"
Season 5 : "FUCK THIS GUY!!!!!"
GameOfThronessss Season 1: God I hate this prick.
Season 4: Actually this prick actually aint that half bad.
Season 5: God I hate this prick again.
+irish91ify He's a dead guy in season 6. Ya don't murder the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch and get away. His head will be a chew toy for Ghost
heyheyheyheyheyhey76 Judging from last nights episode. Yeah. Your right.
irish91ify
Have either Tormund, Davos or Ghost mangle him apart and I'll be shit happy
Season 4: Fuck Thorne
Season 5: Can't this cunt die already, fuck thorne
Season 6: *autistic screeching* FUCK THORNE
Did you guys notice he has a unique fighting style too? It was cool to see Tormund's wild style in comparison to Thorne's orderly "officer" style of fighting. The man surely is a cunt, but you have to hand it to him, he's a badass mofo.
+Andy B but Tormund won
+ds22342 He's younger
+Lietiel ...That slice almost killed him and took him out of the fight. Of course its winning. Guy is called Giantsbane for a reason.
giantWario In your case, the reason would be: "Skewing facts to make a point," since they didn't name him Giantsbane for fighting Thorne. In any case, like Yogi Berra said, it ain't over till it's over, and anything could've happened if Thorne hadn't fallen from the platform. Ever hear of stabbing someone from the ground? Yeah, it's happened. Furthermore, rolling off of the platform took him out of the fight, not the slice.
So, no, it's not winning.
Lietiel ...He fell off barely 5 feets into straws and obviously fell on purpose purely because he wanted to get away from Tormund. Sam outright said this almost killed him and he spent 8 episodes limping after this. Of course its winning, what the hell are you smoking?
Important context is that Thorne fought valiantly at the sack of king's landing. If there was anyone you wanted to stay strong during impossible times it's Thorne or Stannis. Deeper context is that Thorne is at the wall for being a Targaryen loyalist, unknowingly disliking and then respecting his King.
Alliser. earned MAD respect after this episode
This scene alone, is the reason why was I surprised when Thorne betrayed Jon Snow. I was expecting them to develop something of JD/Dr.Cox relationship from Scrubs.
It would've been better if they had kept more faithful to the books, in Jon's death scene, i.e crying whilst they stabbed him.
You know what? To think off it, Jon got to learn from so many great characters and important figures - Ned, Rodrick, Benjin, Tyrion, Jeor Mormont, Maester Aemon, Halfhand, Mance, Tormund, Alliser Thorne, Stannis. The guy is friggin groomed to be "Prince Who Was Promised" - Also he's my boy!
"A handrid thosan yu sa?"
You can hate Ser Alliser but you have to respect his courage and determination.
YALL PLAN TA DAI HEE TANNAIT
Allier absolutely won me over with this scene! I hated how treated snow but this scene showed he wasn’t afraid to lead
I am sure am sad to see Ser Alliser go. Although it had to happen because he betrayed the Lord Commander he still was a great character.
+Abdus-salam Ahmad DO YOU WANNA FILL THE BELLY OF A THENN TONIGHT? NO? WITH ME NOW!!! NOW WITH ME!!!!
Anyone who was "happy" at seeing Alliser Thorne's death in the latest episode has to watch this scene again and see if they feel the same way. RIP to a legendary hero.
Jon betrayed the Night's Watch tradition letting pass through the Wall to the Wildlings. And is even worst in the books, he was trying to march south.
Alliser did nothing wrong, and he died as a man. F to pay respects
Similar to King Viserys I in HotD, the show vastly improved the character of Alliser from the books. Alliser was a pure foil for Jon in the books, but is given so much more nuance in the show. His opposition to Jon is given a lot more detail, and his motivations make absolute sense. Owen Teale's portrayal has a lot to do with that also
50 against 100000 💀 This is the most underrated battle in GOT.
Probably my favorite episode in the series. The dialogue, cinematography, intensity, everything was fantastic.
"And now his watch has ended."
+Iron Duke Both their watches have ended
+Cavers Jon Snow has joined the club of characters who quit their job like a boss. Barristan Selmy, Sandor Clegane and Kevan Lannister
It's amazing how much better this fight is than anything in season 8
I love the fighting style of Thorne, really officer like, not a prodigy but knows his business, great leader
Man Tormund must have regretted not killing Thorne when he had the chance here
I've always wondered what aliser thorne would have said or done if he knew that Jon was a Targaryen given that Thorne supported Rhaegar.
Never understood why Thorne couldn't or wouldn't see the honor and integrity within Jon and be big enough to admit he's a good man.
Most underrated battle
Thorne had me hype af watching this scene. Had one of the best battle speeches in the show & one of the last dying lines as well.
Ah yes, peak Game of Thrones. Making you cheer for a character you've hated since season 1. As good as any show that's ever been on television. Shame it didn't end with the same powerful story telling it began with.
Game of Thorne.
😎 Must have been a sight to fight alongside an experienced knight like Ser Thorne within your ranks. Homeboy straight up cut through wildlings as he walked through. Hard to imagine in that medieval world back then (talking historical, not fantasy like GoT) involved old middle aged veteran fighters were the most feared in court and in battle. Can you imagine being battle hardened like Ser Thorne's age that you have the confidence to strike your enemy after the next like its a pinata line 😂
This is an underrated battle. Might be the best in the show.
Tormunds style of fighting is freaking terrifying
He's one of my favs.. alongside Ramsay
Seven hells...
aidan theroux
Smart. That way we can get them killed.
Tyler Fliss Ahahaha :D
+ligidk Good characters, both of them
"I SAID NOCK AND HOLD, YOU COONTS!"
Why are people so suprised? He is SER Alliser Thorne (a knight). One of my top 5 characters only behind Roose Bolton, Jon Snow, Ser Jorah Mormont, and Ser Barristan Selmy. He really should have beaten Tormund Giantsbane, though. He may not be as strong, but he's quicker, smarter, more skilled, and more experienced.
One huge issue why I dislike ser barristan, when he was being fired from the lannisters when Joffrey took charge, he took out his sword, everyone else in the room was almost completely unarmed, yet he didnt kill joffrey nor cersei.
he eventually would have died with all the elite knights of the kings guard coming down on him. Ser barristan also I don't think wanted to kill them like everyone thinks. He just wanted nothing to do with them.
Alejandro Levine But killing Joffrey and Cersei would save so many people
Turin Cipolla I don't think he would have reached the queen and king, not with the entire kings guard in between.
Alejandro Levine 5 guys with daggers. They were in some ceremony or something when he was fired.