Why Doctor Who Will Keep Failing
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- čas přidán 27. 11. 2023
- The recent return of Doctor Who under Russell T Davies got a lot of fans excited that the show was returning to form at last. Then we got a taste of what we can expect under his tenure, and it wasn't good. It seems fans of the show are in for more of the same.
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"we were uncomfortable with the implication that disabled people are evil" it finally hit me, these people are incapable of viewing the world through any lens other than representation. At no point is it ever implied that Davros is evil BECAUSE he is disabled, but because he is disabled, he must therefore be a stand in for ALL disabled people. Its all starting to click, everything is allegory to them
They don't see _characters_ , but rather just bags of labels.
How dare you write such words...We had brilliant characters,especially after Jenna Coleman left...Bill"i am lesbian and pretty much useless otherwise" pots for example...
From the entire run of the show after Coleman left the only regular characters i enjoyed were Nardole and Graham...the first because it was Nardole,and Graham because he seemed to be the most natural and human in the entire shitshow@@EvilDoresh
yep. Been that way for decades now.
it clicks even more if you just realise that these people are all low iq brain dead brainwashed glue eating children who got old and managed to get a job way above their abilities.
It's Cultural Marxism. You aren't a person. You are part of a group (or groups) and you represent that group at all times. It's gross.
"We didn't want to portray disabled people in a negative way."
He didn't become evil because he was disabled, he became disabled for being evil.
could that not also been seen as a negative portrayal?
@@biggu3257That’s what happened with Darth Vader, but no one complains about that.
@HeluvaOfficial ^ bot alarm, report
And thus, they would interpret that anyone who is disabled must have become so because they were first evil. Simple logic cannot break illogical people from their prison.
@@biggu3257 It could be twisted that way, that anyone in a disabled situation must have brought it on themselves.
I find it really humorous that the original series claimed that the doctor was limited only had 12 regenerations. It turns out they where right.
It was 12 true régénérations... the next one were like corrupted files : similar in a way, but not usable for what you need the to, like in this case, being intersting to watch...
@@a.t.o.mworkshop6409 That is a perfect description of the issue.
Oof.
That's my canon, and I'm sticking to it.
Happy 60th retirement Doctor Who.
I never considered Davros “disabled”. How you can equate the lower half of a Dalek to a wheelchair is beyond me. I always thought he had replaced his old and deteriorating flesh with what he considered to be superior technology. At no point do you look at Davros and think he’s disabled in anyway. He far more capable that any of us mere mortals. He’s the amalgamation of technology and tissue very much like Darth Vader.
Hmm, I mean, in his first appearance, he needed an assistant to open his cupboard for him. But he certainly didn't let it get him down; he never bemoaned his condition.
Technically he's a transhumanist because of the tech/flesh mix, so you could argue that retconning his Dalek lower half out of the show is transphobia.
Checkmate, Russell T Davies. Betcha didn't think of that, smart guy.
@@InsertBuffSoundingNameHere These interviews have convinced me that RTD is an utter bonehead. His team must have been better before. The new team must be garbage for this to have happened. Hope the show gets cancelled.
@@thecheesefactor He's just pandering, so it's the same show it was before he came back on board just with Tennant back (he's excellent as ever, just wasted by poor scripts) and a few other old faces peppered in to fool people. So it goes.
mind blown. also cackling@@InsertBuffSoundingNameHere
Dude, I think hearing Russel claim that they didn't want to associate disability with evil gave me the most "I'm done" moment in recent years.
yep, he's a woke soy cuck now
It got worse😢
I unintentionally did that epic Picard's facepalm when he released this nonsense from his mouth. 😀 Who would think we will actually live in zombie apocalypse and that it will take such a weird form - "The Revenge of zir Libtard Zombies"
Itook one look at Charles Xavier and concluded; All people in wheelchairs are Patrick Stewart....
Russell T Davies? More like Russell T(otal) Dickhead, am I right?
I'll get my coat. 🧥
My mother was a 1960s bra burning Feminist. Her grandmother was a suffragette. I was told growing up that "Not hiring a qualified man for a job because he's a man is every bit as wrong as not hiring a qualified woman for a job because she's a woman. You can't achieve equality by putting others down". Like every other term, it's been twisted to represent the opposite of it's original meaning.
Based female ancestry
Yeah because she’s a real feminist.
Not what feminism has sadly been stereotypically viewed as by people who hate men.
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@@dougsims4242 While admittedly there are many bad faith people commenting that, there are just times when it's done very poorly. Representation obviously isn't bad (why did that have to be said) but rahter it's how it's handled by a piece of media that really matters. Gotham for instance contains quite a few homosexual/bisexual characters, but nobody criticizes it for that because it was a good show that handled said characters well (best Penguin, best Riddler). The problem a lot of people have with it is more a feeling that it's done out of a desire to forward Rainbow Capitalism or is actively detracting from the work its in. While yes they did try, many really really bad movies take hours upon hours just to shoot a single scene, but we don't consider them free from criticism just because work was put in. If you ultimately tell a bad story, that's what people will care about.
@@dougsims4242 Back then "The Message" and and today's "The Message" are two completely different things. Back then it was about stopping people from judging each other based on skin color, and today you can only judge people based on skin color (white = bad, brown/black/red/etc = oppressed). It's laughably more racist than what the civil rights movement back in the 60's was all about. And turning a movie "woke" by switching out an established white male character for anything else is tokenism at best. If you truly want to have more representation for minorities in film then create new and interesting characters for them to portray. The Message of today is pathetic and the civil rights leaders of the past would fight against it for what it is. White liberals trying to play the savior to the poor oppressed minority who can't do anything without their help (because of "systemic racism" and "the patriarchy).
I am disabled and am quite happy for Davros to be in the device he uses to get around in. Why? Because it reflects real life in that evil comes in all shapes and sizes. The man’s highly intelligent too which demonstrates that even disabled people are capable of achieving beyond what others might expect of them. Do we not exist anymore? Is that the mind set of these people nowadays? Just because there are disabled people in the world does not mean that we are any less normal than the majority but changing a well established character seems to suggest that this is the opinion of the woke brigade!
Damn straight
Wheelchair? What wheelchair? I didn't even notice it mate. I'm far too modern to see it.
Disabled people are very under-represented as villains, which is unfortunate as they can offer a very unique insight into their world views and motives. Take Davros for example: Just by seeing him and hearing him briefly you can tell straight away that he's likely a hateful creature because very little of him resembles his race any more. He was made disabled by rival Thals, and he's now resentful, hateful and bitter about it.
On one hand they say only people that are(women, gay, black, dwarf, fat etc.) can play those characters but they will turn right around and change those exact characters if they have a possibility of going against their message even if people who are in those situations like you may like them because of that. It stupid he is no longer in a wheelchair. What if he was a women would they change his whole gender just because women can't be evil or some shit?
He's no more a "disabled people are monsters" statement than Tempest Shadow from the 2017 _My Little Pony_ movie! Though Tempest, an embittered unicorn whose horn was broken in her youth by an Ursa Minor, is something of a dark mirror to a fan favorite supporting character from the show whose dreams of being a great racer were dashed when her eyes started going wonky and she lost the 65° of binocular vision straight ahead that horses have (and she [the fan favorite] also plays a small but vital and heroic role in the movie's storyline).
I’ve been a wheelchair user for 41 years after a bike accident. Never in a trillion years would I ever have associated Davros with my situation. I loved the character. He was Daley. Does that mean every Dalek was disabled. Insane. Looking for offence where it should be impossible to find.
Thank you for your story. I respect you.
Davros was half-Dalek. I never associated him with someone in a wheelchair. Never.
They brought the Tenth Doctor back for the sole purpose to humiliate and disrespect him because he's popular. Disgusting.
Doctor Who has been getting worse ever since Tom Baker left. The 10th Doctor was ok, but I feel he is overrated.
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Even when they go back to the white male, you guys are butthurt. 😂 Like when you railed against the last Indiana Jones for being “Woke”, when it was written, directed by, and starring a straight white male.
A Beastars fan with a based opinion? Wasn’t expecting that here, but welcome nonetheless
@@Folker46590 Tom Baker left the show 40 years ago before anyone even heard of it in America. I know its fun to live in the past but come on mate
I have been in a wheelchair since I was 13 after being hit by a drunk driver when I was walking home from school. I'm 42 now. In that time, I have had met great people in my support group with different disabilities AND some really evil ones. Like their disabilities really messed them up and they hate everything and everyone in life. Davros should not be changed and it's insulting to think anyone who is disabled sees him as any representative of the community. He is an evil creature that happens to be in a type of wheelchair. The wheelchair does not define him, and it does not define me. I find it beyond insulting that creators think I am so emotionally and mentally weak that I can see a villian from my community. You know what really ticks us off? Treating us like we are broken and need kid gloves when around us! We are tougher than most of you. I want to see heroes and villians who don't hold back that both inspire or horrorify. They explore disabilities enough in fantasy. Its always the positive fake inspiration message that annoys the hell out of us. The reality is when you can't walk or do things like normal people, it does have an impact on you. Seeing how someone DOES NOT cope well with their disablity maybe unsettling storytelling that is easier brushed away due to YOUR discomfort, but I see it as important as making a hero out of a disability. You see how if you don't take care of yourself or let the disability overtake your mind with insecurities fear, hate, and other self destructive feelings that you can end up like this villian. That is as valuable of a story to my community as the annoying Mary Sue wheelchair characters we are forced to put up with. The reality is my life is good but not easy. I go through the entire emotional gamut. If you only see the happy times in my life, then you are not seeing the whole experience. There are times I go through some dark periods and treat people horribly. Like when my Dad died, I could not spread his ashes on this mountain side he loved. I was good friends and family in my life that reflected back (literally recordig me on their cell phone when I went off on a poor waitress for example), and showed me how I was acting to get me back on track. My point is seeing negative images can have a positive effect. Don't treat me like I'm broken. I am just a person like you with the same blessings and burdens to endure.
Well said. So many of these kind of shows come across as incredibly preachy and patronising.
Very well said.
Well said. Deserves a sticky
A home run comment. Too bad those people like Russell won’t see themselves in it and wouldn’t learn how actually disrespectful they are.
Beautifully written.
I long for the days when Doctor Who shows were full of great writing, excellent acting, engaging story lines and cheesy special effects.
Bro, they are the same as in 2006.
All that is left is the strong cheesy stench from the scripts.
Another point is that being half Dalek (“in the chair”) was a key character point. He was so obsessed with his evil creation he used his own cells to make the original Daleks, to the point where he had little body left and had to be kept alive by a dalek lower half .. his life was a suffering of his own creation brought about by his insane obsession with making killing machines to defend his people but which only destroyed them in the end .
EXACTLY
That idea that people with disabilities CAN'T be evil is one of the most insulting things I've ever heard. Here's the thing about people with disabilities; they're people. They can be good or bad, but most likely, they're somewhere in between. Treating them with kids gloves is exactly what most of them despise.
Hell, South Park got praise because Jimmy and Timmy were always just treated like regular kids.
They're making all walking people evil now. :(
Jimmy and Timmy are some of the best supporting characters.
Yeah, just remember Oscar Pistorius
I think what no one is getting is that in Doctor Who the only people with disabilities were evil. There was limited roles for people with disabilities shown to be good. I believe that is what Russell was trying to say.
Hence the new inclusion of a UNIT scientist who is a wheelchair user
I've met people in wheelchairs that were great and didn't let their disability hold them back. I've also met some that were bitter and resentful of their situation and limits. And people in-between. At the end of the day, they're people.
"This group can do no wrong, while this group is fundementaly corrupted." is, without any irony, one of the first steps towards genocide.
Bleak but fair.
And for decades now, which group is always portrayed as fundamentally corrupted? Here's a hint: only one group does not count as "people of color."
White able bodied male = evil. All others nice!
Accurate
Israel operates on that very logic.
@@Egghead012 And, so do Hamas et al.
The fact that they don't want someone in a wheelchair being associated with evil but don't bat an eye about casting a Caucasian is very telling.
RTD is capitulating to the Disney/BlackRock list of rules. Only able male straight caucasians can be villains now.
Those you can not criticize are in charge. Those you are encouraged to criticize are those who are in charge fear the most.
Wasent Walt Disney caucasian? HMmmmmmmm
Part of his 'charm' was that he got all this done despite his damaged body. He was an unstoppable force, no matter what happened to him.
Exactly. No matter how little was left of him after each injury, he always came back deadlier than ever
Literally "I am more powerful and devious than almost all of you regardless of how much of me is left". I think that's more brilliant and scary a concept, and empowering, than exorcising it from the show cos woke pandering reasons.
It’s a little scary to think that while the rest of us saw Davros as a person first, the BBC saw him as a wheelchair first. I’m pretty sure the only people who were associating his disability and his evilness were Davies and his team.
Yea like any sane person thinks: "a wheelchair? Like Davros...OMG they're evil!". He's probably projecting his own thin grip on reality.
They dont realise that the way they try to be "nice" is actually really bigoted and oppressive
The woke are, in reality, the biggest bigots
I know next to nothing about Dr. Who. I know the parts of it that are common knowledge, like the Tardis time travels and is bigger on the inside than out, but that's it. I've never watched an episode and never had any interest in it. I had never heard of Davros until this episode. But when I saw the old images of him I thought "This is some ancient evil who abandoned his humanity for the sake of hate and/or power". Which I gather is a correct assessment. He's a sci-fi lich, that's his character trait. For someone to see him and say "Yeah being in a wheelchair is the most important part of his character" tells me that person is a complete asshole.
@@stoopidpursun8140 watch the genesis of the daleks series, it is one of Tom Baker's best roles.
Davros was actually a mutated life form, mutated by the toxins of a very long war. His own side hated him because he was a mutant but kept him around as a scientist because his mutation made him brilliant (as well as deformed).
It is actually a chilling story of war and oppression, with Davros somewhere between an arch villian and an oppressed slave scientist.
You need to ignore some 1970s dodgy special effects and low budget issues, but genesis of the daleks is a very interesting short series.
As a kid, it never, ever occurred to me that Davros was "in a wheelchair". He was clearly a sci-fi creature, that's all. Who sees a villain in a wheelchair and takes away from that that all people in wheelchairs are evil?
Good question. THE BBC LAWYERS, thats who
Russell T. Davies, apparently.
Even now i think " he's a half Dalek thing ".Wheelchair is far down the line.
Yeah, I just thought he simply didn't have legs. Not even that he lost them. Just... Never had any.
And it's not a wheelchair. It's a really cool half Dalek with lots of flashing buttons.
Davros just looks like the food critic from Ratatouille now
As long as there are people like you out there who can see it for what it is, there is still hope. Not just for a TV show, but for our blinkered society as a whole.
The real Dr. Who was Afro-American?
@@a.m.pietroschek1972 The Timeless Child, yes. But the story was about him as a half part of the Time itself. Who it was gonna to save the universe. His real name probably derives from this.
I think the best part about the whole interview, is that I never even realised Davros was in a wheelchair. I genuinely thought the guy was half dalek the entire time. The raw notion that he was disabled never occurred to me, until a pandering fool with glasses goes if he’s in a wheelchair, all people in wheelchairs are now evil
Me neither....assumed for years he was part dalek
Think it was 12th season they even visibly showed that Davros has no legs and was mechanically assimilated to his chair
@@seasnek7024 it was season 9 with the 12th doctor, the second part of the two-part premiere, "the witches familiar", the doctor steals davros' "wheelchair" and leaves him on thr ground, where we see that he doesn't even have legs, just a cybernetic spine that plugs into his dalek casing.
of course that raises questions about how the doctor fit his legs into it, but he also randomly ends up with a cup of tea in the same scene and says "i'm the doctor, just accept it" so i guess that would be also the answer to the legs question. LOL moffat wrote so many things that made no sense
@@jacobmatthews7524 ah yes that was it
RTD also came up with (or Okay'd) John Lumic and Max Capricon, two 'evil wheelchair users'.
The fact that Russel Davis instantly attributed Davros' villainous traits to the fact that he's wheelchair, rather than Davros being a villain who needs a wheelchair, speaks volumes to the predispositions Davis has about anyone physically disabled. There's no other way to view that preemptive change; replace the "wheelchair" trait with literally anything else, whether it's skin colour, upbringing, wealth, or beliefs, and it's clear how much hate he has.
"We changed the villain's race because we didn't want say that black people are evil." "We changed the villain's upbringing because we didn't want to say poor people are evil." "We changed the villain's job because we didn't way to say postal workers are evil."
Anyone with half a brain can read the subtext he's failing to bury, and those who can't wouldn't care about it in the first place unless they also hated disabled people.
But he's immune from criticism himself because, well, Russel T. Davies is gay. Or something like that.
He's the guy that says stuff like " my best friend is black" or "I'm 1/8th cherokee"
@@NightimeInDeepSpace "I remember this time I had to stand up for him..."
The disabled people should take a stand and say that Russell is discriminating against them for cutting off an acting opportunity for someone with a disability.
Just like how Disney's Snow White cut jobs from dwarves who want that Peter Dinklage fame.
@@stoopidpursun8140 "To be fair, he was never going to do it himself." 😁
I think in Dr. Who lore (pls correct me if I’m wrong) each darlek was made out of one of Davros’s cells. I always assumed that his disabilities were a physical representation of his sacrifice and dedication to the darleks. As in, he would literally give up parts of his body to create more of them.
Yeah so this is exactly what i was thinking too…
Because everyone knows you become an angel once you end up in a wheel chair, there has never been anyone bad who was in a wheel chair.
As a disabled person myself I never associated my disability with evilness, however it would have been really cool seeing a disabled person as an evil antagonist instead of just a victim.
Disabled people often hate the feeling of being helpless or a burden. A disabled villain who has agency would be empowering in a way.
Have you ever seen the documentary "Murderball"? It's about wheelchair rugby, and in particular the rivalry between the US and Canadian teams. Those guys beat the crap out of each other, and they have upper-body strength that I (a "normal" guy) can't begin to match. And yes, there's all sorts of people in it: some gentle and kind, others complete arseholes, and just about everything in between. They're people, just like everyone else - people who have to deal with difficulties that I haven't had and probably never will - but who have triumphed over those difficulties in a way that I admire absolutely. Well worth viewing, if you have the opportunity.
What about doctor glass? Or does he not count because he's black?
@@RedRumOnEBBC rules
Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget was also an disabled evil people. Or was it the cat that was evil? Mindcontrolling the poor disabled Dr. to buy more Catnip?
My former boss was a woman, used a motorised wheelchair, and had a neurological condition that affected her voice. Total trifecta win sensitivity points! She was also good at her job, non-pc hilarious, bullshit intolerant, and totally able to advocate on her own behalf ("What a***hole left these f***ing boxes in my way?!"). She'd had also fitted her wheelchair with a digital media player which had samples like the Jaws theme and the Dalek 'exterminate! exterminate!' which she referred to as 'mood indicators'. I can just imagine what she'd have to say about an ambulatory Davros. To quote - "Patronising bastards!".
Haha she sounds awesome! ^_^
And to the WOKE activists her company and white, male coworkers were the bad guys for putting her in that independent and empowering position in the first place.
Your boss sounds awesome. Scary, but awesome.
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She sounds amazing to work for. What are her evil plans for the global enslavement of mankind? Can I join?
So people in wheelchairs aren't smart enough to be supervillains? Whenever they try not to be offensive they're more offensive.
My husband has cerebral palsy and one of the things he often says is “just because a person is disabled doesn’t mean they can’t be a twat.” Never allowing disabled people to be seen as nuanced, complicated and possibly even bad people is as harmful to them as it is to treat women or people of colour in the same way.
It’s actually more insulting to imply that people with disabilities CAN’T be evil masterminds. Also, by this logic NOBODY can ever be depicted as evil because everyone belongs to one demographic or another.
Actually, there are some demographics The Message claims are automatically evil. If you're White, Male, and competent you are by definition Evil. Evil to the Woke has nothing to do with what you've done; it's all about what you ARE. And therefore, there can never be change or forgiveness. If you're White you're racist. If you're Black you can committ every sort of atrocity imaginable and never be evil.
I won't lie I agree, of though we won't ever do anything evil it's one of those things that's re-assuring to think "Y'know if I wanted to be evil I bett i could be like the next Lex Luther or something if I really put my mind to it."
Not saying that we'd actually do it but's one of those re-assuring things in a weird way.
What are you talking about? There's clearly one demographic that's allowed to be depicted as evil. Maybe two. I think the jury is still out on whether or not Asians get thrown into the same boat as white, able-bodied, cis-gender, heterosexual, mentally sound, males.
Nobody except white people.
Except straight white men, theyre the only ones that can be portrayed as evil because thats the fucking narrative weve dug society into.
Id honestly love to see everything created and accomplished by white men to just vanish from history and see how quickly everything falls apart.
"We can't have a disabled person play a role" is pretty much the same as Peter Dinklage saying "Dwarves shouldn't play dwarves".
Right after becoming a mainstream celebrity for playing a dwarf in Game of Thrones: remember, always kick away the ladder after you've climbed up it, so nobody else can follow you.
Or saying that Native Americans in the 1950's CAN'T play Native Americans in Movies or T.V....
Yeah, like that.
@randynutt5660 they're not native they migrated from asia across the frozen seas from Russia into Alaska.
They then slowly migrated from Alaska into America.
Real American natives don't exist because they where slaughtered by the ones you're calling natives.
Then white people came to America and gave them cosmic karma.
David Tennant and Catherine Tate made that episode watchable. I thought the idea of The Doctor Donna being the reason her child being the way they were and how Donna could remember without dying was a bit clever, however it could have been explained/executed better. I thought the fuzzy critter was a pretty good villain. My biggest issue with it was it was clear the kid was just there to be trans/nonbinary and say talking points to do with that. Making the doctor ask for the fuzzy critters pronouns made me roll my eyes. The whole “something a male presenting time lord would never understand” comment doesn’t even make sense to me. Overall not as bad as some of the last season’s episodes, but could have been better.
I remember an interview about a rape scene in Game of Thrones, back in 2016. It was a touching, sad scene that clearly showed the horrible brutality of the time and the offender.
But the gender studies girl interviewee pointed out that this scene establishes rape as "normal" and that the series would be deeply miogynistic and see women as prey. At a time, mind you, when that raped girl had already buried her rapist, killed her opponents and established rulership as a main character of the show.
Back then, we laughed about it. Little did we know that such idiotic bullshit of mediocre minds misunderstanding representation would be the new normal. I guess the social studies universities could become fascist echo chambers of brutal dimensions if things continue.
They completely ignored that the same character cut a guys junk of and torturted him for who know how long. Did they whine that this was 'normalizing the castration and torture of men'. No of course not, because it was clear the character was evil and therefore did evil things.
Jesus, the fact that the BBC, as well as Davies and his production team, cannot fathom the idea that someone who is disabled could be evil, let alone a bad person is just staggering. It just kills any of sort of creative spark for the sake of pandering to a toxic mindset.
Nah, it's that they think everybody else sees the world in just as juvenile and identitarian a way as they do. It's in the nature of smug authoritarians to propagandise.
If you view these projects less as creative ventures and more as sacrificing culture to a literal demon of Wokeness, it all fits uncomfortably well. Remarkably predictive model, too.
These people hate Greg Abbot does that mean they are ableist to?
At no time in my childhood did it ever occur to me that Davros was “a person in a wheelchair.” Literally never. He was an alien-looking creature, half-organic, half-machine - perfectly acceptable for a Sci-fi TV show, and actually pretty cool. I did not connect him to wheelchairs or real-life humans in any way.
Same here. I grew up watching Doctor Who on PBS, first in the episodic format after school and then later having to stay up til like 1 am every Sunday night, stuck watching bizarre British talk shows before it finally aired.
Ive seen probably every appearance of Davros, and I never once considered him to be a disabled person in a wheelchair. He was a half Dalek
So whats next? If Davros is in a wheelchair then every single Dalek is also in a wheelchair.
Are they all going to be changed to normal white male humans?
Same here.
Davros created Daleks in his own image,... why would a generic bad guy create Daleks like that?
Same.... Not once. I mean.... is R2D2 also in a wheelchair? Like what lol
Yep funniest looking wheel chair I’ve ever seen.
As a disabled person myself this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Meddling with Davros's timeline finally made me give up on the show.
"I had problems with that"
The arrogance and hubris that you can fundamentally change a Davros' decades of established lore because you had "a problem" with that part of his character.
I am a 51 year old black woman, and one of my earliest memories is watching Doctor Who. PBS used to show entire stories (all the parts) every Saturday. They'd get to the end of the classic series and just start over again. I also rewatched them all with my kids when streaming emerged. So I've seen every episode of classic Who god knows how many times. In all that time - not as a kid - not as a teenager - not as an adult rewatching them - never had it crossed my mind that Davros was a "wheelchair user." I mean, obviously I got that he's IN a wheelchair, but until I watched the reviews of the absurdity Davies is doing, it never even dawned on me that he was representative of anything except a psychopathic evil maniac.
And here's a question - if it's not ok for a character in a wheelchair to be evil, why is it OK to have ANY character of any gender, race, sexual orientation, nationality, age, height, weight, intelligence level, etc etc etc be evil? Is it ok to have a character who is a serial killer, since serial killers are suffering from psychopathology? Isn't that ableism? (I should probably not even be saying this since someone from the BBC or Hollywood may see it and destroy the entire crime genre) I feel like a real fool, because I really believed Davies was going to save this show. But he actually found a way to double down in an even more ridiculous way. I just can't believe it. I'll shut up, because otherwise I could go on complaining about this for 10 more paragraphs. JFC man.
To answer your question: there's an oppression heirarchy. As Ibram X Kendi says, "the only solution to past discrimination is present discrimination".
Kendi is a fool who has embraced evil, but his attitude shows how it works.
it's not even a wheelchair. I aint seen any wheelchairs that look like that
That's in part why writing is so lackluster now. This sheer aversion to any and all kind of conflict because "people might get the wrong idea". It's insanity.
Nice comment. I think the only conclusion one can realise is that intellect occupies one end of the see saw and woke pandering occupies the other. You are firmly on the intellect side which is more than the writers of this absolute garbage can ever achieve.
@@yourmum69_420 Right?
I went to a school with a kid in a wheel chair. He was a pr**k. He would ram his chair into people all the time because he thought it was funny. I grew up in a special needs house. We did not treat people with disabilities as something to feel sorry for. My brother who has cerebral palsy and moderate autism was treated like everyone else and what do you know, he became a well adjusted person who functions well in society. When the kid in school ran into the back of my leg I turn around and told him to watch where he was going. He apologized and then did it again after I turned back around. I then proceeded to tell him if he did it again I would feed him his teeth. He told me I couldn't touch him because he was in a wheelchair. I told him it would make it easier for me to get my hands on him and proceeded to grab the front of his shirt and was about to punch him when my friends grabbed me off. I got in trouble with the school but not with my parents. There are plenty of garbage people in the special needs community. Blind, deaf, autistic, retarded and physically disabled. Human is human. Found out I was moderate autistic like my youngest daughter 7 years ago. So at that point I added another to the list of A holes in the community. The patronizing elitism of these people is sickening. As if they were the protectors of all non white non male special needs people.
That's the thing, they don't see them as human, they just see them as their disability and nothing more.
Same here, when i was in middle school i sat next to a mentally diabled guy everyday during lunch. He was one of the biggest assholes i have ever met. He would say awful stuff about people, throw things and just all around be a terrible person. But day after day waves of people would come up to him and praise him just for existing and he loved it. He was given an award on the final day of highschool and throughout the entire school i was the only person who didnt stand for his standing ovation. Glad i never have to see him again
I know these people are absolutely terrified of implying that anyone with atypical traits is inherently evil and untrustworthy, but pushing an idea that only able-bodied fairskinned hetero men are capable of cruelty and deception is just as stupid.
Just put chocks on his wheels. Let him sit there with an immobilized wheelchair unless he can get out to move them.
"You don't get it! We evil whytes need to protect non-whytes and differently-abled folks because they can't do it themselves; they're pathetic, weak, stupid wastes of..... wait a minute..."
Also, Davos’s new clothes. Ever noticed the symbol on his collar?
Huh… Kinda looks like an obvious and not Subtle SS lightening symbol.
Anybody remember a time when The Doctor didn't spend 1/2 the episode apologizing for doing/saying something or being berated for the unforgivable sin of being a "male-presenting" alien?
Oh, That's right... They used to have Writers who could make a good story for no other reason than entertainment.
"The man who can turn an army around at the mention of his name. "Doctor": the word for "healer" and "wise man", throughout the universe." - River Song (A Good Man Goes To War). This is what Doctor Who should be.
I feel sorry for the Dr. Who fandom. They're probably some of the nicest people you could ever talk to and they don't deserve to see their show end up like this.
As a tenant snd Smith fan, I appreciate your condolences 🙏 ☹️
As a fan of Doctor Who.. believe me this is so frustrsting.. thank you mate
I actually enjoyed the episode... Despite the changed political climate we face today the episode was written pretty similarly to when Davies was showrunner in the past. Trans thing was off putting but at least it had some sort of story reasoning
I had to stop the video around the 3:30 mark when the show runner literally said they couldn't associate a disabled person and being "evil". WTF ....
That is like saying Darth Vader can't be evil because he is missing all his limbs. Or that Palpatine can't be evil because he has a disfigured body. Maybe I just need to go back to reruns with Tom Baker and call it a day.
I loved the episode LOL
I think the paradox here is that NO ONE would’ve thought about the character of Davros as “evil in a wheelchair” UNTIL creators, like Russell Davies, decide to disrupt the character to observe woke practices, therefore shining a light on EXACTLY what they were trying to obscure.
To me i never even realised it was a wheelchair. I didn't associate him with disability at all... eugh. Writers.
Streisand effect
It usually outs their own biases and racist/sexist/ableist worldviews when they take random crap and associate it with that. It was the same when they tried to ban orcs from DnD because "Orcs are agressive and less intelligent so obviously they're supposed to represent black people and therefore it's an offensive stereotype to have orcs in DnD!". Except who exactly is the racist here? The players who have been enjoying their fantasy world for like 40 years or the people who read "agressive and unintelligent" and immediately thought "That gotta mean black people!"?
Reminds me of when that gaming essay YT channel tried to associate orcs with black people.
I wouldn't say that Russell Davies is a creator, more like a copier.
I always liked stories where it was an individual's unfortunate situation which led to them becoming villains. We have examples ranging from Ephialtes being incapable of holding a shield and thus being unable to serve his countrymen in the phalanx, which leads to him growing bitter and resentful and aiding the Persians in an act of foulest betrayal. To Gul'dan from Warcraft becoming hateful of those who mocked him and looked down on him for being born a cripple, and ultimately making a dark bargain in his quest to finally overcome his physical frailty, and then turning his new-found powers upon those who mistreated him, but going too far and killing them all, and then going on to spread death, misery and corruption everywhere he went. There's Electro in the Spiderman universe, whose freak accident which grants him powers leads him down a path of madness, and where his once timid personality grows into a spiteful and vengeful psychopath now that he has acquired power. Perhaps my favourite example is from the video-game Ori and the Will o' the Wisps, where the villain, who is basically a deformed owl, is born to the world as an orphan with the giant skeletons of it's deceased parents standing over the nest, and after a difficult start thinks it finds friends in some other young owls, but the parents shun it for its deformities; and by the time you encounter it, the once poor deformed child has grown into a hulking monstrosity that is full of rage and hatred. There's a touching scene where your character seeks to be-friend it and forgive it despite the horrible things it has done; but the creature is too far gone, and spurns the offer of friendship and forgiveness, and has to be killed to save the others (there is even more greatness to this scene with themes of duty and self-sacrifice, but they are not so relevant for this particular point).
These stories let us understand how someone might end up becoming evil, and show the dangers of not only mistreating others, but also of considering yourself a victim and letting that victimhood turn into hatred and anger for the world. These are lessons that the modern world desperately needs to learn.
Are Daleks next , seeing as they only have one eye ?
Thanks to the Critical Drinker for making 'The Message' part of the cultural zeitgeist.
Absolutely. I heard it used unexpectedly (with credit) on author Larry Korreia's podcast recently.
The BBC using his formulation is really mind-blowing.
I know right? Every time I here another creator say "The Message" or use a clip of it I just want to give Drinker a huge high five.
Worst bully I ever knew was a kid in a wheelchair because his limbs didn't develop in the womb. His bad behavior was excused by adults because "his life is so hard."
And I have known some really solid, good people who were in wheelchairs. It's almost like they're people...
Whoa whoa whoa. Sounds like someone needs re-education
Sounds like you’re a CIS male with a lot of testosterone driven rage towards innocent tiny, little, baby-limbed kids… Disney would be so disappointed in you.
@tristanjohnson2678 his sarcasm at the end went over your head?
Wheelchairs have feelings!? -dr.who's actual director thoughts
@@03143saYes, deliciously ironic. Like a double layer irony cake 🍰🤦♂😂
Davros isn’t in a wheelchair!!!!
He’s the model for the Daleks! 🙄
I'm so happy you are covering this, I watched a recent episode and thought, "My god, the critical drinker needs to talk about this"
As a bald man, I've had to suffer all of my life with the unfair connotation that I'm an evil mastermind. Thanks DC and Austin Powers for literally ruining my entire life. One time, an entire state tried to offer me a million dollars in exchange for me not destroying them with my 'laser' whatever that means.
I'm sorry sir but one million dollars really isn't that much these days
@@JohnnyRocker023in 10 years it’ll be 10,000
So... did you take the cash?
Do you have glowie eyes and mind control like the hood in Thunderbirds? 😁
Do people call you Mr the merciless?
As a fellow bald, im using my Charles Xavier baldness psychic ability to sense a class action lawsuit against Marvel, DC and Mike Myers for demonising us balds. Well im more a Mr Burns "horseshoe" type compared to a mighty Patrick Stewart type
As a disabled person who has been around people with disabilities from a young age. I confirm that such people can be just as f#@ked up as healthy people.
Totally right. I'm sure a brain in a jar will find a way to behave like a piece of shit
and could you confirm or deny having intentions to raise an army of aggressive genocidal mutants?… sorry some outdated sci fi show might have given me this crazy crazy impression you might be evil!
@@CloudWalkBeta As a f#@ked up disabled person I already attempted that over thirty years ago but my kids all grew up just fine, won't begin to tell you how disappointed I am...
@@CloudWalkBeta Yes!
The crazy thing to me is that South Park is able to achieve more fully realized representative characters by specifically making polite society the joke and attacking its hypocrisies.
addly enough the idea that your physical appearence dictates your good guy/bad guy status is highlighted in the first episode, with my favourite part of it - when the fluffy cute thing turns out to be the big bad, its a GREAT Idea that was sadly wasted in five minutes instead of being made the focus, instead making room for all the setup for Rose (shivers🤦♂) what they should have done is drop breadcrumbs, hints and clues for the doctor to put together and then just before its too late he confronts Meep who reveals himself to be the villan but boasts he already has what he wanted only for the doctor to announce he suspected early on, citing something we all saw but didnt recognise, but he played along to figure out what his plan was, and now that he figured it out its time to stop him, and also that as he suspected Meep he has been sabotaging almost everything they have done so has already thrown a hefty spanner in the works - que third act fight scene/battle. its proof that the ideas and writing are still there but sadly are now taking a backseat to 'the message'
Excellent video. Brilliant. I'm a minority and when it was my turn to be "represented" (they couldn't even do it right since my culture is against wokeism) I sighed heavily wondering when the cringe would stop. They're more focused on doing what they see as defense of minorities (which as you explained, what they're doing is really just the opposite) than writing a good story. I'm hoping public pressure can reverse this culture seeping into british television.
Imagine bringing back my favourite doctor of all time and the first thing to do is completely disrespect his character. And on top of that, bringing back his companion in order for BBC television to push their agenda. This is an abomination and completely degenerate.
reminds me of star wars, what a shame
LEFTIST AGENDA! ANTI-WHITE! MAGA BUTTHURT!
Welcome to the channel. 😂
What agenda?
'They' have been doing this all the famous IPs for the best part of 10 years. I don't seem them stopping anytime soon, despite the tanking revenues
@@halley4032 "They" don't care about tanking revenue. The goal is to systematically destroy every icon of Western culture.
The constant fear that showing any member of a "marginalized group" in a negative light, even in a fictional setting, will cause "real world harm" is getting obnoxious. These groups aren't a monolith and every single example of them is not a representation of them as a whole.
Villains Need to be Diversty too.
I'm at a point where mockingly using their logic is all that's left. So all members of a group are represented by ANY example I can come up with? cool. Vegans = Hitler = evil; artists = Hitler = evil. Should I go on? or perhaps I should accept that vegans and artists are fundamentally good so by their logic the Holocaust and WWII were noble endeavors because they were helmed by that failed artist and vegan referenced before because as a vegan/artist he couldn't do anything wrong.
It was always obnoxious.
This. Any human being has the capacity of being utterly, brilliantly wonderful, deeply, disgustingly monstrous and absolutely ANYTHING inbetween. Suggesting that this applies to some groups of people more or less than others essentially denies that they are completely human. It's a horrible mindset.
It's also just really fucking boring when it comes to creating a character
Love this channel .Thank you for giving us a voice .
Your breakdown is incredibly on point, as usual.
The producers stopped representing Davros as a wheelchair-bound cripple because they didn't want viewers to associate people in wheelchairs with evil. Instead, they represented Davros as a hooked-nosed man, ensuring that people will now associate hooked-nosed people with evil.
Not what they were shooting for, I expect.
And he is proof that disabled people are far being helplessly
He's white though, so it's all good for them.
The amount of virtue signaling projection these people display is insane that they don't even realize how they sound.
Yep, he was an alien before, now he's just an old white guy... Hmmm
Now the evil guy is a classic white old man.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm a wheelchair user. I'm so offended that they've done this. I don't think anyone that uses a wheelchair worried about Davros "representing" every one of us. Like who actually thought, " wait, Davros is evil, and uses a wheelchair, therefore everyone in a wheelchair is evil". I loved everything you said, we can be clever, and cunning and achieve anything we put our minds to. RTD and the BBC missed that. They only care about surface level perception.
And don't get me started on the whole 'Male Presenting ' thing.
My favourite show is dead and it breaks my heart.
Leftards. Telling you not to judge people using surface evaluations since 1968, while judging everyone solely on surface evaluations.
They're also the masters of ordering you not to make generalizations, while doing nothing but make generalizations.
RTD and the BBC really are that stupid.
"Davros is evil, and uses a wheelchair, therefore everyone in a wheelchair is evil"
You know, I'm doing college in a third-world country and even here they teach us what logically incorrect arguments and thought processes look like. This kind of reasoning looks like it's taken straight out of one of my "introduction to scientific thinking" (or whatever's the equivalent name in english) class. It's like, one of the most basic concepts they teach you before they get to the actually heavy stuff.
Point being, what kind of education did these people get?
This is what happens when they stop seeing characters as individuals but as carboard stand-ins for parts of the audience. No one is allowed to have unique traits, goals or ambitions, all must be one whole, bland piece of tofu that cannot offend anyone anywhere (except the acceptable targets, obviously).
I like to hope that at some point all this nonsense will pass and more reasonable people will take over again.
Let’s take a look back at Davros’s life he was born into a war stricken world. After being rescued from a minefield he grows up to become a brilliant scientist with many friends only to loose them to the war. At around age 13 he saw the only way to stop the other side was basically genaside. Im sure for a teenager who’s only lived in war that’s probably a valid feeling to have. He was then drafted and made weapons for the military. His mother kills his father, half sister and aunt. At some point he works in food prossesing and finds out that the food pills contain the dead. Down the like his mother dies then a month later looses his taste buds, left arm, lower body and effectively use of his eyes. He is then wheelchair bound and needs life support that he wouldn’t last 30 seconds without. We can all agree he has a bit of a (explicit word) life. But when he was given a out he refused to take it and instead embraced being a mutant. This is where the timelines become a bit wibbly wobbly but the general premise is climbing the ranks and using genetic engineering to save his kind in the war removing the week quality but when he found his creations where unable to live on their own uses the life support tech he is on to create the dark shell.
To me Davros doesn’t sound like a bad person just someone who was traumatised from living through a war and did what he thought was right for his people.
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Oh my god, Wakanda is just MCU's Israel
Honestly, the fact that RTD and the BBC can't look at a character like Davros without coming up with negative connotations for people in wheelchairs says a lot more about them than the audience they're trying to project all this absolute horseshit onto.
Yeah I thought the same thing. I always thought his "chair" was part of his cybernetic enhancements (and obviously due to budget and the time period they couldn't give him a spider leg chassis or something). I wouldn't even have thought to see him as a "wheelchair user". Kind of offensive to me IMO. Do they see Darth Vader as a Sith Lord or do they see him as a "burn victim" ?
@@mikesully110I'm honestly worried this mindset will eventually give them daft ideas, inevitably changing Darth Vader's origins 😅
@jneilson7568 Don't laugh, they will do it! 😮
I just made a comment saying exactly the same thing.
I always assumed his lower body looked like that because he made the Daleks, and obviously wanted a tank body too.
I never once thought: "oh that's a disabled guy in a wheelchair".
Russel Davies is a sick bastard.
well said, 'the lady doth protest TOO much'.
I'm an ex-wheelchair user, who still has mobility issues and who was taught by the the legendary David Gooderson (Davros 1979). At no point whilst listening to his brilliant stories did I think Davros makes disabled people look bad. It didn't even cross my mind. His example did nothing but inspire me. Why don't production teams ask disabled people what WE have problems with rather than telling us what they think we SHOULD have problems with. It's insulting. We have a full list of issues if you just ask. This isn't one of them.
Indeed, but why feel insulted by this pathetic wankers. Who cares.
They don't ask because they don't care. They aren't interested in virtue, just the signaling of it. If a producer were to leave things as they were, then that producer doesn't stand out in anyone's eyes as appearing virtuous.
Yeah never have I ever seen anyone link disability with evil on TV shows.
RTD also came up with (or Okay'd) John Lumic and Max Capricon, two 'evil wheelchair users'.
They're narcisisst totalitarians, thats why.
The real weird thing after Davros not being disabled anymore because they did‘t want to make a disabled person the villain is that they made the decision to make something cute the villain of the first special episode… I can only imagine, they made that decision to show evil comes in all shapes and sizes, just not in wheelchairs 😂 quite the opposite actually… point driven home by the female good technician agent in the James Bond wheelchair.
Bit of irony to think all wheel chair users would be labeled evil, the writers must not have seen Daleks Invasion Earth 2150 where the leader of the rebels is in a wheel chair
The idea that disabled people are treated like children is insulting and shows that these people look at them as lesser than and something to be pitied. It's disgusting
Exactly.
We have Dr Strangelove and Professor Xavier. We can have both!
You think that's bad, you should see how they treat black ppl.
@@toh6261"people of color"
They say that like it's more palatable and PC, yet really sounds far more white Supremacist and belittling than just calling them black.
As Benedict Cumberbatch found out when he hadn't received his latest update and he refered to them as "coloured people" as he thought that was the PC thing to say, and a total shit-storm broke out.@@tylere.8436
I'm going to use Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice" to critique Doctor Who. Why? Because 210 years ago Austen showed judging people based on identity, as opposed to character, leads to disaster. Darcy initially comes off as rude and insensitive; Lizzy attributes it to his wealth. Lizzie thinks Wickham is virtuous because he claims victim status, claims he's meritorious without proof, and because he's poor. (Sound familiar?) In reality Wickham's a depraved con-artist, liar, gambled his money away, nearly destroyed Darcy's sister to whom Darcy is both a brother and surrogate father. Darcy doesn't act out of malice; he's trying to protect those he loves from the Wickhams of the world. It's a primary reason Darcy initially distrusts Lizzie and her family; he thinks they're like Wickham. What truly matters to both Lizzie and Darcy is virtue as virtue defines both. Lizzie constantly makes the moral choice instead of the political one, and the same goes for Darcy. Darcy and Lizzie also have the same blind spot; it's why they make the same exact mistake of failing to warn others of Wickham's villainy.
It may seem a strange to choose Austen's "Pride and Prejudice" to critique how Doctor Who has been destroyed but it isn't. Lizzie's virtue doesn't come from putting Darcy down; Lizzie is already virtuous and her virtue increases when she comes to understand that Darcy is noble, that she's misjudged him, and that his flaws exist because he's human. Darcy's virtue doesn't exist because he cares for Lizzie; he already possesses virtue. Darcy's heroism comes from hearing what Lizzie says in refusing his proposal, realizing that she's right and that he hasn't lived up to his own moral standards, and in putting his pride aside to save Lydia and the Bennet family, and reunite Jane and Bingly. Austen matters because centuries ago she understood that true virtue (defined by conduct and action) was everything; identity and claims of being a victim were nothing. Everything from Doctor Who to Star Wars to the MCU is being destroyed because all of the studios, writers, and directors have killed character and virtue. The only thing that matters now, no matter what is created, is identity. If you're a man (especially a white man) you must be bad, and if you aren't, you must be good, if not great. What you say and how you behave is irrelevant. What is being made now is everything Austen argued against over 210 years ago. When identity is all that matters the Wickhams of the world become the heroes and the Darcys and Lizzies become the villains. That’s what we’re seeing.
What a bloody good summation! Well said
This comment should have gotten WAY more attention than it has. Absolutely correct on all fronts, but it's a shame people who make this shite couldn't give a good toss about the essentials of writing and character development.
Severely underrated comment. Great analysis 🤙
RTD is not fit to lace Austen’s boots.
Damn I really slept on Austen I need to give her a read.
Fantastic video drinker, perfectly summed up 👍
My friend, when we were young loved being Davros when we were playing Dr Who (I was always his Dalek mate with a silly Dalek voice). He was in a wheelchair due to cerebral palsy and at school he loved being Davros.
He had a powerful and evil disabled baddie to be and was better than the ‘walkers’ as he called them. God knows how he feels now his memories have been shat on…
Russel T Davis truly has become the living embodiment of:
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
If this is what we can expect further down the line for the show.
Agree
You hit the nail on the head! Well said 👍
He was always like this, the 2005 series is full of political points, Ten was often used as a mouthpiece for Russell's political beliefs (his foaming at the mouth hatred for anything military for one). It's just that back then, viewers wanted a good story and BBC understood that. But because they've stopped caring about that, Russell figures he can do whatever he wants now.
He was ALWAYS the VILLAIN!
Russel was always a villain. He just hid it well until he became important enough to the show so that he could show his colours without consequence.
I enjoyed his original run, but even that was full of Deus Ex Machinas, clunky dialogues, technobabble, and identity politics.
I can't believe the show runner casually admitted he is stupid enough to think a villain with a disability is harmful and somehow taboo. I keep getting surprised by how many simpletons are in our midst these days.
“we all know wheelchair people are way too frail, weak, dependent, and stupid to be a proper villain”
-this guy, inadvertently
Don’t you remember the matrix controversy with the twin albinos….
You somehow completely miss the context that the "disabled villain" trope is what he's talking about here. Villains having a disability or impairment specifically to mark them as villainous is an incredibly common, very old trope which *does* actually have insidious implications. This is the most wack-backwards, bad faith reading I've seen in a while.
@@DrakeInferno you’re missing the point though davros isn’t a villain because he’s disabled he’s a villain who happens to be disabled. making Doctor Who deliberately trying to mark a disabled person as a villain it’s just something that happened given the nature of the series and who daleks are. You’re not wrong suggesting that. It’s a harmful trope, but it’s about context. As I said, in my previous comment, the issue for me, as a disabled person is the smugness in thinking that he’s doing the right thing for a minority he most likely didn’t consult. I would like to know how many disabled people are in that room. my guess is zero.
@@DrakeInferno What are some characters that, in your opinion, fall into the trope of the disabled villain?
I've got an idea for a new sci-fi series. It's called 'Bummers in Space'. That should be right up Russel T Davies alley
The thing is…in one of the many comic runs it was established that Davros original liked like a regular humanoid Kaled before he was mutated by a nuclear missile which is how he ended up the way he is. The Children in Need special I assume is set before this event took place
I would disagree. RTD wouldn’t have gone on that speech about not portraying wheelchair users as evil if this was the case
@@mt3776 And yet, he did, so...
BBC have done what Dalek have failed
*The BBC have done what the Dalek's failed
Gotten a character out of a wheelchair?
All of the Doctor’s enemies are kicking themselves right now “really? It was THAT easy??”
@@sthubbins4038No, defeat the Doctor.
what
What happens if a wheelchair user goes to a convention, cosplaying as Davros?
Will they get ridiculed for perpetrating the stereotype of evil wheelchair users, or get praised for being creative and fun with their costume?
The mind boggles at exactly who these executives think they are protecting.
They will praise the wheelchair user. What matters in identity politics is praising or "advocating" for the right group of people, logical consistency is unnecessary.
They dont think. They feel. They judge everything through the lens of feels
Believe it or not, it really just depends on what one you go to. I wouldn't doubt the ones where you would get issues is where you get all these, "influencers," at. Where there's live action, there's always going to be that one person to start stuff.
They are protecting themselves. These sorts of spineless people always are.
So funny when you say "Child of the 90s" I was a child of the 60s from the beginning of Dr Who, and yes, I saw Episode one, both times as it was repeated due to Kennedy's assassination. The 60s & 70s was far better for Dr Who in so many ways.
Did you read my comment on one of the destination skaro RTD behind the scenes videos? You spoke it word for word 🤣
Either way Kudos.
I will add seeing a pre accident Davros is an interesting sight. It's something new for the character, not something I'd like to see done permanently to replace Davros' OG look but for a one off it was interesting. I could see it working, if they used it again, if say the doctor went back to just before or when Davros had the accident that crippled him or there was a story with flashbacks to Davros just before his accident.
I always got the impression Davros was "wheelchair" bound because he was so old his body was failing him while his dalek technology was keeping him alive.
Exactly! Like he was a physical representation of why it's bad to break the laws of nature for selfish reasons.
He was put in the chair after the Thaals bombed his lab, thats why hes also disfigured and has the voice, he never intentionally "went Dalek". His appearances all basically center around him being their superior creator and not just one of them.
Other way around, he modeled the mutant daleks armored casings on his wheelchair/life support system.
Lol
Quite right, he was a self-imposed abomination.
"We don't want people to associate disability with evilness, which is why we made Davros into an abled man, and to show that he's evil, we made him look like Joseph Goebbels... just ignore the fact that Goebbels himself had a significant handicap"
~Russel T. Davies, basically
Take out “Joseph Goebbels” and put in “Ego from Ratatouille”
The "new" Davros also has an uncanny resemblence to some the the Nazi anti Jew propaganda...@@yonatanyonatano1192
Or Gru. @@yonatanyonatano1192
People can't confess to the bigotry of others -- that's not a thing. But they can confess to their own. The writing staff aren't suddenly mind-readers of every human on Earth. They're merely confessing their own bigotry -- which is what bigots-in-hiding always do.
And we also gave a disabled character RPG’s that shoot out of her wheelchair and the doctor is totally fine with that.
*That was so phenomenally worded, thank you for this.*
always blows my mind how one can be so empathetic to a patronizing degree bordering on parody while also being as cold and callous as humanly possible towards demographics deemed unworthy. such rotten people that subscribe to this insidious world view
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made” ― JRR Tolkien
"people on the internet attribute quotes to people who never said it" - J R R Hartley
“This channel is for habitually butthurt right-wingers who think a legendary series is ruined because they took a character out of a wheelchair.”
-Me
@@sthubbins4038😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@sthubbins4038aww is the lwittle baby gonna cry🥺
@@sthubbins4038pure cope, leftism is a disease.
I will always believe this until the day I die: the best way to promote positive cultural and social change in media is to ensure that every character is treated the same way, regardless of their gender/race/ethnicity/religion/sexuality/etc.
Uhura was such a revolutionary character because she was just another part of the crew. She didn’t get special treatment, both positive and negative, because of her race and gender. Neither did Sulu.
That’s what modern Hollywood needs to understand. The majority of people don’t hate strong women, or gay kiss scenes, or transgender characters because of those traits, but how it’s constantly portrayed as some kind of unique difference that makes them better than other people because they have had to suffer more.
Their is a time and place for social commentary, and movies/shows can have discussions about it (like Static Shock did with Richie’s dad), but it should not be the core focus of the content.
It’s kinda like adding spice to a recipe. To little, and it lacks the kick that makes the meal exciting. To much, and you just made an inedible meal that’s impossible to digest.
Star Trek was truly ahead of it's time. Though not flawless, it continued to bring people together and champion equal treatment in it's casting and stories. Janeway certainly proved you could be a strong leader as a woman and also at the same time be a genocidal monster. Truly breaking down barriers.
@@Cheezitnator that's the thing though. Those flaws are part of Star Trek's identity. Things _need_ flaws, they're what gives a creation character.
Do you go to see Van Gogh for his technical skill? No. You go because his paintings are inundated with character and his own creativity. They're good, they're very very good. But they aren't flawless and _that's part of why they're so good._
You are missing the point of what made Uhura. The simple fact that She was treated as a normal crew member was a major depature at the time. To the viewer that was giving her special treatment.
This is how I felt about Arcane, I didn't even realise how diverse the characters were because they were just well written characters, each with their own personal motives and flaws. Imagine that!
same with chekov too (russian crew member in the middle of the cold war)
lol, in all my years (43), in fact, since I was a child I have never, not once, looked at Davros and thought he was in a wheelchair! 😂
Eeerrrrr - those sea devils scared me witless as a five year old in 1972 thank you! My elder siblings still take the piss out of me about it!
Great breakdown of why both I and my son (who was so sweetly obsessed with Dr Who (Tennant, Smith and then just with Capaldi) to the extent of dressing as Dr Who) haven’t bothered watching it since the latter stages of Capaldi.
Went to a con that was really big on Who (it was hosting 5 of the doctors + John Barrowman) and there was a wheelchair-bound elderly man there who had donned the most legitimately impressive Davros cosplay I've ever seen, and one of the best cosplays I've ever seen period. It looked like the character was made for him to recreate. I don't understand how negative representation is bad representation, especially if the demographic being portrayed is on board with it.
It can be if its the only representation of us, but in this case its not - there are a lot more disabled characters who are good now. Or at least shades of grey (which tbh is more realistic and i think most characters, disabled or not, should be grey). Also having just good disabled people is just as harmful as having only bad disabled people. Ridiculous! Gah im trying not to get too wound up by this - i walk with a stick - but its really pissed me off. Just the way he said a disabled person cannot be evil. As if we arent people too. Hes a horrible person
Agreed mate, it was teeth gratingly patronizing like RTD and the BBC want to give every differently abled person a pat on the head and a gold plated TinyTim crutch pin to show how much they "get it".... Utterly ignoring that whether somone has lived their whole lives making their own way, or became permanently injured from say and IED during foreign service, or close to home in a workplace accident, people are just like you said way more complicated and interesting ...and gray. That said, I think adults need to have more conversations about whether all of us are getting worked up about a show that's kinda simplified and this prone to tropes and stereotypes for young people in the way that Star Wars is a movie about space wizards ...for kids ....to sell toys. Shows targeted towards tween aged youth that adults just happen to also like really puts responsibility on those self same adults to fill in the gaps about the breadth of human experience. If we are relying on an hour of television to educate the next generations about human decency and nuance then we are just being as lazy as the trope that prompted the Drinker's posting of this video. I think that's why I like his posts and the smart comments people add in response ....we are all trying to combat laziness seeping in and permeating so much ....on that note back to work. Cheers all.
EXACTLY!! It can be a problem if its caricature but doesn't have to be, villains are also beloved characters.
Case in point - Darth Vader, who is arguably also disabled. Ask a Disabled person how they feel about this, are they more likely to complain that it portrays a disabled dude as evil, or more likely to celebrate that a fan favourite character is disabled?
Look up the Viz comic Suicidal Sid when he goes to a Doctor Who convention. If you can find it.
It's funny that many of a certain group don't complain...It's liberals...especially white liberals that get offended for them and tell everyone that they are offended. And if that group tells them they are not offended they tell them they don't know what they are talking about. That's right...A person from that group doesn't know what they are talking about how they live and think but the almighty white liberal savior knows what is best for them. Kind of like back in the plantation days when the white democrat slave owners knew what was best for the black people and were taking care of them because they couldn't do it themselves.
The funny thing is Russell T Davies has already had a guy in a wheelchair as a villain back in Tennant's first outing. Remember John Lumic? He was dying as a result of his illness and became a Cyberman to cheat death. I think it was called "The age of steel" or something like that. It was a truly amazing episode too.
Max Capricorn from "Voyage of the Damned" was just a head on wheels as well.
Sadly, the only ret-con Russell will make is for how those characters aren’t the same as Davros so they’re ok when he should be ret-conning series 11, 12 and 13.
I always thought Dr. Who was dumb as shit, could never get into it. HOWEVER, seeing the totality to which it's been demolished makes me empathetic to all the fans out there who are gutted by the way it's been transformed into piping hot garbage. Sorry guys :(
Lumic was disabled in the show due to the actor suffering an injury, it wasn't intentional
Sounds like somebody may be compensating for past criticisms.
So much good sense in this video. It's really a testament to doctor who viewers not seeing Davros as disabled or evil, but the controlling arm of companies and writers telling us that we saw them as such when we didn't.
This was really brilliant Drinker, thanks.
Rolled my eyes so hard at the "we don't want to show people in wheelchairs as evil" part. The proper response to this is, "why can't a wheelchair user be evil?" What's wrong with that? It's almost as if all of the rest of us see a person first and wheelchair second, and you only see a wheelchair and "representation". It insinuates you go around judging IRL people by the movie villains you watch, and thus automatically assume that's what everybody else must be doing too.
I'm calling it right now: won't be long before the Joker is cancelled for implying people with mental disability can be evil.
They already tried that with Joaquin's Joker, failed.
I think of the way King of the Hill handled disabled that was better, the episode where Bill faked it. The biggest point is (shocking) physically disabled people are still normal people, capable of good and evil, same as everyone else including those with mental health issues.. for better or for worse.. They're the same as you and I just with physical hurdles that are typically unnoticed. Mentally, 100% the same.
Also my grandpa was in a wheelchair and created his own insurance company. Take that as you will.
It's pretty insulting that they don't think someone with a disability, or who identifies as a woman, or who isn't white can be clever enough to single handedly cause a disruption to the world.
It's like they think only straight white men with no disabilities are smart enough to match overwhelming numbers by themselves, or to manipulate the masses.
Jesus, when you put it like that what they're doing is even more fucked up. Because you're right - that's what ordinary people getting on with their lives do. See another person like themselves, with whatever other attributes they may have, including their disability. We don't go around looking at those people as nothing but a void avatar for that disability. Maybe that's why this "woke" trend is so cringe. It doesn't actually work like that outside their bubble, and definitely doesn't occur to the ordinary schmucks watching TV looking for some entertainment.
Yes, Davros was physically disabled. But despite his physical limitations, he was the Doctor's equal through his unparalleled super genius and tireless determination. Davros gave 'people in wheelchairs' agency via a bad ass character with an incredible physical presence. But no, let's clumsily rob disabled people of that power via surface level virtual signalling. Low-level thinking and desperate pandering. They have done nothing for disabled people.
Equal.
Not Eqaul.
Just like Dinkle did for short people.
Actually theyve robbed us of an interesting character and representation
If anything changing Davros is insulting because it makes Disabled people monolithic, people seem to forget that villain characters can still be fan favourites, and therefore disabled villains is still representation, as long as its not caricature.
Case in point - Darth Vader, who is arguably also disabled. Ask a Disabled person how they feel about this, are they more likely to complain that it portrays a disabled dude as evil, or more likely to celebrate that a fan favourite character is disabled?
I dont really believe this has anything to do with not offending the sensibilities of "disabled people" ..in fact Davros was a monster who became that way by mutilating himself with dark, unnatural technologies that he considered improvements -transhumanism...thats not a "message" the overclass want to transmit anymore.
Look at it this way, Doctor Who has finally lived up to its name.
Genuinely that clip of Russell T Davis talking about Davros is like something off the UK Office... Absolutely unbelievable.
RTD obviously a bonehead. Hopefully he steps down soon and we get someone competent to make this show.
@@thecheesefactor NO the show just needs to die and go away for a few years
@@ScaashHonestly yeah, hope the show gets revived better in another decade
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All this tells me is that the production staff thought disabilities are related to evil...and it only leads me to wonder how anyone could ever think that
It's them mistaking one part of villain symbolism for another. Many villains are disfigured or mutilated in some way. However, their disfigurement is usually the result of their own villainous acts i.e. Darth Vader. Their body is thus made to reflect their soul.
It's the same as orcs in lord of the rings are black people if they see a connection that says more about them
I'm pretty sure people used to think that a lot. It's just that by the time these debates reach the mainstream, they're seriously garbled and also much less relevant.
We still have people with thin faces disproportionately cast as villains (though there are some very fat villains, too).
I've got a buddy I ride motorcycles with that's a double amputee who might have an issue with their perspective.
@@xenomorph733or goblins in Harry Potter to jews.
The new episode with David tenant was absolutely shocking.
RIP Doctor Who 1963 - 2013
"Associate wheel-chaired people with evil."
Basically shows how shallow all these people and who they seek to appeal to are.
I never thought of Davao’s as a wheelchair user.
I've been stealing wheelchairs off the disabled for years, so they can't meet up with any Daleks. You're welcome Earth
God forbid fiction show that evil can come in any form. Nope only white men can be evil
@@paulscottrobson Exactly, I know Davros since "Genesis of the Daleks" was new, and always regarded him as a - partly - Dalek, simply.
And...Russel hates you if you disagree with him.
My mother was in a wheelchair and she also was an abusive tyrant and when I tried to tell anyone that she punched me or touched me in places I didn't wanted, they never believed me because she was just a poor women in a wheelchair, how could someone like her do something like that?
I edited my original post after @vegancam pointed out & I re-read the story. Now, I'm not sure your mother is still alive + out of the wheelchair now. If she is not on the earth plane anymore, at least she's not torturing you anymore physically. You may still have healing scars & bruises that people can see you were punched by her. Plus, the haunting memories of her abuses are like stubborn stains that just can't & won't wash off after 10-20 washes. About how & why she could do something like that...it boils down to great hatred & resentment towards both herself & to you. Hurt people hurt others. She greatly hates herself because of her disability - she has great expectations to be perfectly healthy. She hates you because you have all the qualities she don't have & could never attain. That hatred also bred skewed entitlement to touch you without permission a.k.a. disrespect your rights/boundaries. May this truth set you free & give you closure you need, someday soon.
I see you missed all the use of past tense in the comment you replied to.
@@vegancam ok, thank you.
Keep your trauma off CZcams comments. You aren’t getting any break throughs on here and you aren’t getting any help that matters
Ah the modern underdog/ noble savage fallacy....
Disadvantaged, opressed or weak doesn't mean someone or some group is less evil or good than any other..
The moment when Davros became plain old Dave Ross.
I cancelled my tv licence years ago and have saved getting on for £1000 at this point. Best money I’ve ever saved.
Davros was both in a wheelchair, and physically blind, scarred, and constantly in some degree of pain.
And yet, you never pitied him.
Strong Villain.
He scared me!
Davros was super creepy and scary as hell.
Definitely ranks up there as one of the all time great villains.
I didn’t have the words for it as a kid, but Davros’ frail appearance made the force of his mind and determination really stand out by contrast. He seemed frighteningly powerful.
The original Davros and his story was brilliant. They should never have brought him back. It's even more absurd to turn him into the scientific equal of the Doctor. Davros was brilliant, but only within the context of Skaro's level of scientific and technological understanding. He was the Kaled equivalent of a Newton or an Einstein, not a Time Lord whose race had "transcended such simple mechanical devices" as transmit beams "when the universe was less than half its present size".