Kiowa Warrior Detailed Intro Pt 3 - Engine Start to Idle
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2020
- Continuing the in-depth explanations of the systems in the KW. Starting at battery on, to engine start. Explains much of the checks and callouts associated with starting the engine.
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Thanks for doing these! They've been a great listen, looking forward to doing combined arms with the Kiowa!
Funny enough RedKite, that I'm into the Harrier now while waiting for the Kiowa, and your tutorials were a great help there, if maybe sometimes lacking the detail ;)
Best regards
Wolfhound
@@Wolfhound_81 those tutorials are getting on a bit now :/
come on redkite, gimmie more!
So happy that this module has finally come to fruition. Thank you for introducing us to the Kiowa so many years ago!
I'mma lay something out for you, Barundus. At least for me, anyway. I know that I want the minutia. I definitely want you to go into that excruciating detail. I know a lot of guys got to do it for real, but some of us, like myself, missed out for one reason or another. In my case I had a heart condition at a young age that pretty much meant I was *never* going to be in the military. DCS isn't a stand in for that, not a good one anyway, but it's as close as I'm ever going to get, failing some other sim showing up down the line. You lived it man, we just dreamed about it. I know it's silly to feel that way. That real military service isn't all pretty metals, fast women, and curvy vehicles. But DCS offers something so special to some of us, an extended moment of a childhood dream. As close as we'll ever get.
What's excruciating detail to you is beyond fascinating to someone like myself. It's literally someone opening a door into a world, at least a slice of a world, that I was never going to be able to experience, so, please make more if you can. Your personal experiences and knowledge (as it is for anyone who works with DCS directly to try and bring their ride into the digital world) is priceless. Thank you.
Wow, that's a really nice sentiment, and I take it to heart! I'm happy you're getting something out of these, and I'm happy to pass along some of my experiences and insights. It's a pleasure, particularly if the end-result is the KW tearing up the skies once more.
With glowing endorsements like yours, be sure to look out for more vids like these. Not very professionally done, lol, but I'll tell you what I know!
I agree 100% with Teakay on this one. As someone who could not get into the military for medical reasons, this is exactly how I feel. A slice into a life I could have had, if my body would have been more willing. Thank you! Looking forward to Part 4!!
concur, please Barandus continue with the detail, the content is unattainable for many of us otherwise, Im also trying to collate as much information as possible to put in a wiki, I've started a discord to start keeping track of the best reference items. discord.gg/Dsfr4eh
Hopefully get the foundation of a training syllabus going prior to the release.
@@Barundus There's a place for 1 minute quick'n'dirty startup guides, there's a lot of those videos, but really not a lot of videos talking about details and actually know what they're talking about. I'm not gonna remember every one of those details, I'm sure, but if nothing else, it immerses you into the mindset of being a helo pilot and creates the illusion that makes flight sims popular for many people. And once in a blue moon, people like me come across a feature or an emergency situation and remember "hey, didn't he once talk about MFDs turning off below a certain voltage? Well, my MFD just went out, I wonder if that has anything to do with it.." and we return and have a place to start to figure out what we did wrong. Honestly, there is not enough of videos like these around (there is one for the F-14 that goes into similar detail... ironically, from a radar maintenance guy, and as you said, he knows his stuff!).
Just re-read your post. I think I'd change it to "fast vehicles, and curvy women"...
Barundus, you can really command an audience. Having a SME walk us through the Kiowa really builds the hype for this module. Looking forward to more videos in the future.
Working on it, as time permits!
Thanks so much for these videos. I'm not a PC gamer but I am a former 152D. My last flight was flying 0161 out to AMARG/DM AFB. These videos bring back so many memories. Best job I ever had. Damn I miss her.
Thanks so much for putting these up Barundus, they are fantastic to watch and learn from all your details! :D
I really love the minutia about your talking of the KW :)
Heartfelt thanks to your and your fellow colleagues on pouring all your knowledge + effort into the assistance development of this module.
I'm really enjoying this series! I love the pieces of background information that you're sharing from your real life experience, that you can't get from just reading the dry technical documentation! So the more often you get derailed to explain some quirks or details in more depth, the better the video gets!
Keep it up!
Huge thanks for this Barundas, I appreciate your concerns about not wanting to make the videos overly complicated or going on to long, but believe me if we didn’t want that sort of detail we wouldn’t be here. For myself, these are some of the best DCS vids I have ever seen. I adore getting a real in depth knowledge into the aircraft we are getting in DCS, and personally the very fact we can see you going through this, noticing something incorrect and then stating you will speak to Polychop to get it fixed, speaks leagues into how realistic you want this to be. Believe me if we are flying DCS, we also want things as realistic as it can be.
You are obviously aware of the issues with the gazelle, which has sadly mudded Polychops name, and I think it’s fair to say they need to bring something spectacular to the table to get past the historic issues with the Gazelle. Sadly although it’s a wonderful looking aircraft it just felt and flew wrong. While I love Helos, it is very rare I fly the gazelle purely because of the FM issues. With Your help and the help of your fellow pilots, it does look like Polychop are serious about fixing the mistakes of the past, and certainly from your comments and other flight vids I’ve seen of this aircraft, I am actually fairly confident that they can do just that.
Good lord man! Dive down rabbit holes all you need, it’s great listening to someone who knows their shit doing this instead of a CZcams who’s just worrying about how the video will look.
Keep at it.
Thanks mate for just explaining everything in so much detail! It’s very informative with a lot of side topics (e.g. the NVG “chapter”).
Looking forward to the KW.
Keep on doing these ;)
Thanks for your service 👍fantastic videos can’t wait to see the next please keep them coming
These videos are great and I thank you to put effort on helping the dev to make the model as close as it can be to real life
Your content is great! Thanks! 👍
Can't wait to fly this in the future! I love flying the Huey at the moment and prefer ground pounding to BVR combat.
Glorious, thanks Barundas
Seeing as the latest publicly available -10 is from 2001 it's interesting to see how the helicopter had evolved to what we are seeing here. i.e. CMWS, BFT, SATCOM etc.
Fantastic run through thank you very much
Looks so good thanks for the video
When are you continuing the series dude! This is epic…
Thanks asterix !
Very educational, just like the other videos. I would have never expected TGT to start rising *before* that typical turbine ignition sound @ 55:32.
Yeah, that's noted in my errata. We'll have to address the sequence and timing of the start audio with the indications. Good catch!
How long we can watch one of your videos? You just hit the perfect spot, you bet :D
I'm waiting for part 4, 5, 6.... Literally a video once a week up to the release would be sooo great, I'm pretty sure you have many topics to tell us about!
Love your videos!
Haha yep, and after part 3 we have to watch part 1 again for that "what was that again about?" feeling..
this is amazing information.
Thanks Jon. Amazing to know they're still getting views four months later.
I'll do more when the module is closer to completion.
Great video! I really hope this flies better than the Gazelle..!
love your videos. Will we have the NATOP in the kneeboard at release ?
3:03 DCS literally started out as a Ka-50 sim, though based on the LockOn engine... and that, the Huey and the Mi-8 are probably by far the best heli sims out there, apparently soon to be accompanied by the OH-58D :)
Part 4 in a few days lol, looking forwards to the module being released as well as that part 4 ;)
Really good! Love the minutia and the in depth explanations, most likely because I'm a nerd.. And because I'm a nerd, I also need to nitpick one thing (sorry): Human eye is less sensitive to long wave, low energy red light, and hence it affects the night vision less (e.g. one can use red light to read maps and not lose night vision so quickly).
Thanks for that explanation! It's inevitable I'd miss a nuance in there somewhere (it's been a while). Appreciate your (diplomatic) correction, lol.
Thanks again Barundus.
On the wind noise coming through the doors when you're not in trim: Please tell me that's implemented into the code.. It would be so amazing.
Dunno. I'm told it wouldn't be hard. I'd like to have something like that myself.
0:50 If we weren't interested in this, we wouldn't be here. So talk away!
With streaming services, there's always the option to pause the video and get some coffee.
Those MFDs looks like 4:3 8" screens right? because i'm already making some plans haha
Dear Mothan AFB.....
Do you hold down the FTR when manipulating the cyclic when FTR is on?
Seems weird to watch a helicopter start with absolutely no rocking around. Any plans to model that later? Very long and detailed video but I think its good to get the full explanation on the systems and startup sequence at least once. Looking forward to this release.
Actually, I don't recall much 1:1 rocking on starts. Was pretty smooth at low RPM. Nothing like the two-blade 206.
@@Barundus Interesting. I don't have any experience with the Kiowa specifically so maybe the Kiowa is exceptionally well balanced. Thanks.
@@brittoncooke1890it wouldn't surprise me if it is. The 2 blade helis like the Huey and civil 206 rock most likely cause if the weight swinging around as the rotor starts spinning up. A heli like this with 4 blades wouldn't have that issue as the weight swinging around is balanced.
4:04 DCS coding challenges aside, the main issues with the Gazelle was it did not replicate any of the defining aerodynamic features of a real helicopter. ie. No ground effect cushion, no onset of translational lift, no VRS, no tail rotor drift in the hover, etc. which as far as I'm aware is still an issue. The Gazelle behaved like a computer game approximation of a helicopter rather than a simulation, which really did ruin it for me. I really do hope you guys will provide feedback to PolyChop when test-flying to ensure correct handling and aerodynamic effects, without this the OH-58 simulation is null. From the expertise you have demonstrated in these videos, I'm very confident that this simulation will be as accurate as is possible. Thanks again!
Interesting. Yes, there have been considerable efforts towards replicating those "helicopterish" effects. You sound like you know what you're looking for, perhaps you're a pilot yourself. I'll address a couple;
-ETL is modeled.
-Translating tendency is not a thing in the 58D, as the transmission is mounted with a 1 deg left tilt to counter exactly that. So Bell took care of it for us.
-I've noticed a lot of questions and concern about VRS. I've never encountered true VRS in reality. I believe it's actually pretty unlikely and difficult to put yourself in the aerodynamic conditions necessary to develop VRS. Now, I've found myself PLENTY of times (particularly in a heavy bird like 58D) on approach with insufficient power-available to arrest my descent rate comfortably. That's poor planning, not VRS. My personal opinion is people throw out VRS too often as a justification for their poor technique. Don't get me wrong, VRS is definitely a thing, and I have seen accident videos due to VRS, but it's not as common as people might think. I don't mean to sound preachy or "know it all" if you have personal experience with the phenomena. All that said; yes, PC did, in fact, include VRS 😊.
-LTE (Loss of Tail-Rotor Effectiveness) Again - not a thing in the 58D. Technically possible, but simply exceedingly difficult to encounter. In many, many hours of flying 58D, I never once encountered or felt I was in danger of LTE. Bell 206 or OH58A/C is another matter entirely. We talked about LTE extensively with PC, and I believe it's modeled. I'll have to double check and see if I can get the spinnies!
@@Barundus Thanks for the info. Yes the only VRS I have experienced is when we have intentionally brought it on for training, and even then like you said the helicopter just doesn't want to stay there. I agree its not as big a deal as people say it is, but it should be possible to induce it intentionally just to demonstrate the effects in the simulator. This is one reason I like simulators so much; they are cheap learning and practice tools for people without a military background or budget. The UH-1 DCS simulation can VRS if the conditions are right (high descent rate, low or no airspeed, powered flight) and you can confirm its VRS and not overpitch as raising the collective increases descent rate and the RRPM remains top of the green.
Interesting about tail rotor drift, I could be wrong but I thought the main rotor factory tilt accounts for most of the lateral drift, but not all, hence why some lateral cyclic is still required in a hover. And I guess the amount of lateral force is proportional to the amount of pedal, which is proportional to torque and therefore hover power. ie. high and hot hover needs more lateral stick than MSL and cool hover?
How do you find the friction between the OH-58 skids and the ground in DCS? I've found the friction to be unreasonably high in the other simulations so you can't properly demonstrate run-on landings or sliding take-offs as even runway tarmac seems to be much too "sticky"
Anyway look forward to the next part for a full start up. Maybe if you have time you can also show a hover and some basic aerodynamic effects
@@Chang739 Thanks for your insights. Honestly I haven't tried the friction yet! I'll check it out.
To your point about translating - Yes, I over-simplified. Not sure how to properly address a "small amount of lateral cyclic" required to counter lateral drift. Personally, I would not want to fool with holding a bit of left joystick constantly, esp. when most joysticks have a self-centering spring. Would seem to be annoying after a while. I had no perception of it in real life, because the "neutral" position of the cyclic is just "where it is to maintain the hover". Certainly there is no feeling of back-pressure or conscious effort to apply cyclic to counter the drift tendency. That said, it's something I'll double check as well.
I can say that torque-effects are modeled (adding left-pedal when applying collective, etc.) Also left-forward cyclic to counter ETL and transverse flow👌.
Good stuff!
@@Barundus Yeah I've found that too, in reality it's a subconscious placement of cyclic depending on balance. My simulator joystick and pedals have the springs removed so they are closer to the real thing. I'm only nitpicking, and I'm only a student, so I'll leave the finer details to the experts. Cheers!
To answer to the statement what all is or supposedly is not included into the fm of the Gazelle, I do have to state that it is indeed all integrated into the Gazelle fm. To be fair, I did test multiple tests after dcs updates to see if anything was broken in the fm. The biggest issue people have is identified by the cyclic position. Although it sounds strange, but when we read comments that state exactly the points mentioned, the question rises if the person posting it, does even own and flys the Gazelle in DCS. There are easy tests to verify ground effect, translating tendency and many other effects. What is missing or undermpowered in the Gazelle are the blowback effect and transversflow. ;)
is this a mod or a module that's not out yet?
Awesome videos but if u get cracked bezels in this sim u got much more serious problems lol. Ty for your service.
is this on dcs becuase they are developing one right now
Do you have a quick startup guide ?
No.
But when you see one, you'll know module release is closer...
@@Barundus is it the same as the 206 startup guide ?
It's funny, to me a VSI is a "vertical speed indicator"
That is funny.
Spoiler alert, it still isn't released 😢
Typical IP with a brand new RL3 WOJG/1LT from flight school runup. The bane of my existence as a backseater. Lol
Fo' sho', lol. I always used to tell my guys during a checkride "If you can't dazzle with dexterity, baffle with bullshit!"
All of the lettering on the multi function displays is misaligned. Is this how it actually is in reality? Looks weird.
Not sure what you mean.
@@Barundus 58:35 (no specific reason for this time stamp, it's just when the MFD is nice and large on the screen).
See how the C in COMM is lower than the rest, how the S in MMS extends slightly lower than the Ms, how the D in VSD and HSD is lower than the other letters and even lower on HSD than VSD, the P on PAGE 2 is higher than the rest, the EB in notebook is lower? Etc.
@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 Honestly, hadn't noticed, but now that you mention it, I see what you mean. My insight runs out there. I'll make a note!
Bruh giv it 2 mee
This thing is a myth. Ain’t ever coming out. Dodo 206 for fs2020 will be out before this.
Oh no...
You mean.. I've been totally wasting my time?
Well, dang.
Thankfully there're folks like you to warn the world not to get excited.