DCS Player tries to fly REAL Helicopter
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- Control hand-off at 6:50
Hovering at 12:50
Landing approach 17:50
Hydraulics off 29:10
Auto rotation demonstration 35:06
VRS demonstration 41:30
Spatial disorientation 45:05
River landing 49:35
Rough set down 57:32
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the pilot slowly realizing how much safer his job will be if he makes all his stundents do 100 hours of hover time in DCS
Biggest difference between DCS and real: "You can't just itch your balls."
helicopters have multiple options for autopilot so sometimes you can, it depends on the helicopter and type of autopilot although not all of them have it.
You mean...'Scratch' your balls..Not itch..You scratch an itch...you don't itch a scratch! 🤣
Beep trim and my balls strongly disagree with this statement.
that is why copilots exist
would like to clarify I don't mean to hand the stick to them, I mean to hand your *stick* to them
@@evahxh took me a minute but then had me rolling
I constantly have people ask me whether the sim stuff would *really* teach you to fly, but you said it best - if it saves you 6-10 hours, that's like $6k of training cost! That's enough for like a 2x ROI. Thanks for the video, guys!
I'm a pilot (small aircraft) and simu saves me a lot of more than 10hours! (I do my first solo flight after 6 hours)
It’s proven that the simulation is an incredible help! If not, airline pilots would not be required to take simulation tests every year
@@adjudantloic airline sims are not the same as home sims.
@@PenguinGaming vastly different lol
@@PenguinGaming So tell me the difference!!
Those chairs look like they've been sitting in a lake for as long as you've been flying.
lol yeah idk why they didnt even clean them
l0l i thought i was the only one who noticed this.
surprised it held the weight tbh
Looks like the chairs painted their clothes quite a bit too!
Well he's also aiming the sole of his foot at the guy so he probably doesn't have respect for "simmers".
Control hand-off at 6:50
Hovering at 12:50
Landing approach 17:50
Hydraulics off 29:10
Auto rotation demonstration 35:06
VRS demonstration 41:30
Spatial disorientation 45:05
River landing 49:35
Rough set down 57:32
Why did he dive the helicopter around 20 min 🚁 😮
@@bigboicreme to avoid a situation called vortex ring state where the helicopter loses lift because the student went too slow with too much descent rate. The instructor pushed forward to get forward airspeed and save the aircraft
15:35: "No you got it"... great CFI! Build their confidence.
BOSS CFI RIGHT THERE!
No lie this is like the coolest video I've seen in a long time
not enough likes on it frfr
Fun to see someone who's never done it for real actually do pretty well in a hover. Great video!
Used to fly with KAZ on his server. He would make his own online missions and his servers were awesome. Solid guy.
He still does. And 95% of them are night missions, with not moonlight.🤣
Putting 500 hours on the uh1 will probably save you 5000 bucks in blade hours on the real thing. I started army flight school after about 500 hours of flying the Huey and it saved me a lot of heartache. It won’t make you a pilot but it will build your instincts and muscle memory.
The UH-1 in DCS is pretty inaccurate physically, so it's a pretty bad reference point unfortunately. It's better than nothing, but you will need to unlearn some things. An actually accurate model could produce even better results.
@@ArchOfficial what game would uh1 be most accurate at?
@@snoopyyy_23 Not sure, but it's possible you can find a good model in something like P3D.
@@ArchOfficial Sure, but as the guy in the video who hovered with no prior experience except the DCS Huey it seemed good enough to me
@@Hustler9g It's better than no experience, but if the model is bad enough, you'd spend a bunch of time un-learning bad habits.
This was super great to watch. Thanks for sharing your experience and being so open and honest about the experience
Incredible video, as someone who's generally interested in aviation but has no aspiration to pursuit it in real life or in a sim really this was a very informative and pleasantly entertaining video. Best to the both of you.
Okay how does this not have 1,000,000+ views. Crazy that it's only at 50k
Unfortunately our society has been inundated in 30 second or less clips of nonsense. Most people see an hour long video and just scroll past regardless of interest. Then they go on to consume several hours of 30 seconds garbage back to back learning absolutely nothing. 😢
122K today and im in Ireland so its making its way around. I recon Military Airschools will find this very interesting. Imagine the $$$$ to be saved by keeping an eye on kids on DCS
Dude, that LASER focus straight ahead taking in all the input of attitude, control feel etc!
I FEEL that, even just from the sim. When things get sporty, hot, high and heavy, sometimes I gotta remind myself to BREATH for god sake!
Great vid, loved the experiment.
Aside from how much fun it was to watch the experiment, it was fun watching you two go in and out of teacher/student and friends modes. You look like you would be an awesome teacher.
great teacher to learn from ! they way he lets you explore but then immediately takes over as soon as you reach the limits of safety. just amazing.
Fantastic. What a great friend to take on this experiment. Great work!
I just had my first 10 minutes in a Sea King Simulator with full contols with 1 page of instructions to read prior to taking off. The instuctor said its every 300 of his students who get it right like that. I took off from the Island of Reunion, travelled to the next city hugging the highway at about 200 meters, then I made my way in to one of the steep walled canyons to play 'Airwolf'. It was so much fun. The hardest part was the sensitivity that made PIO's come out of nowhere :D
Great vid guys. Congrats.
Where did you do this????????
I absolutely love everything about this video. I never flew a helicopter in a sim or in real life, but I have always had a strong passion to fly one one day. Today, I started researching helicopter sim controls, which ultimately lead me to this video - I am blown away, and I absolutely love the instructors ways of teaching. When the sim-pilot wanted to release controls at 15:33 and the instructor said "nope, you got it", I actually started to tear up. That kind of confidence and trust in the pilot (not a sim-pilot anymore!) from the instructor is such a breathtaking moment, and I cannot imagine the sensations the pilot was feeling during that time, knowing the instructor, his friend, trusted him with the controls in a moment where he felt like he needed relief of controls, to instill that confidence.
I've always wanted to fly a helicopter because I always imagined it as a form of meditation in a way that it requires a lot of focus and understanding of balance and form, and this appears to be confirmed with what was said about being calm. I'd love to learn more from this instructor once I begin to fly in the sim. For now, I think I need to start saving up for a sim rig! This video is a massive inspiration.
You should try FPV Drones 😉... I wanted that feeling of flight like a bird and in 2016 I started the learning curve of building tuning and flying FPV. I'm now 8 years in and it's a rush everytime. If your a person who likes to tinker and build stuff, FPV is for you 👍🏻. I'm wondering if my 8 years of flying drones, translates any over to Helis as most of the controls are very similar.
I did my intro flight in Clearwater FL. Man I love this video this kid hovered fucking GREAT, i was doing some circles but got in under control, them peddles are SENSITIVE at hover lord.
Awesome video made me smile big. If I can ever save up enough, being a pilot is my dream job.
Skydiving is cheaper! Sadly.
Years back, I put in quite a few Flight Sim hours on FSX and used it as a tool before I joined the military as a pilot and during elementary flying training and I can honestly say it helped me a great deal! Even things like navigation at low level and muscle memory it helps with, except for the feel which needs to be done for real. Great video, cool that he picked it up so quick!
I recently I went throw my airplane private license course. By the time I had 10 hours flight and start to stuggle with the landings, I ran and bought an Xbox with Flight Simulator. It was a game changer for the rest of the course. If I only knew... I would had save me a lot of money. Congratulations for the iniciative. Cheers from Brazil!
This video had me smiling the whole time. Great concept, and great job at flying for his very first time.
What a fantastic video! This looks like a dream come true for a fellow DCS pilot. Kaz is obviously a great instructor, just watching this vid teaches me a ton of things.
I really enjoyed this, sim pilot was knowledgeable yet humble, he had some great future pilot qualities. A great video.
Interesting stuff chaps, well done and thanks for the informational video! really great listening to you both chat and watching you both fly, fascinating listening to the comparison between real life trees and simulated trees! #perspective
Really cool experiment. I've used pretty much every module plane and heli available since 2013. I started fixed wing PPL this year and after a lot of wondering how much the sims would help me, I was pleasantly surprised. It definitely doesn't give you stick and rudder skills but it DOES do a fantastic job at prepping your brain to understand what is happening with the aircraft very fast and it takes next to no time to be able to manipulate the controls to the desired effect. Whereas someone who isn't familiar with aviation, even if they've done their ground school already, has to get into the aircraft and go through the motions a few times before their brain can process and "learn" what is happening and why.
For example, pitch for airspeed and power for altitude is intuitive if you have done approaches in the F/A-18 or F-16C and have the HUD symbology. This usually confuses aviation newbies and takes some repetition to understand. I knew exactly how to explain it before I got into ground school and learned it was actually called the "region of reverse command" behind the power curve.
Anyway, 172's are pretty damn easy to handle even for a toddler, so I'd really love to get into an R44 and see if I already possess that muscle memory. Helis were my original goal before deciding to go fixed wing due to more career opportunities
It’s proven that the simulation is an incredible help! If not, airline pilots would not be required to take simulation tests every year
Stumbled upon this. Thanks algorithm.
Huge respect and kindness you guys show each other. Love it.
I can relate (a tiny bit). Cuz I've been watching sailing vids for several years. I have no interest in actually sailing, though, mostly the traveling attracted me..
Recently I was at a port near sailboats and realizing I knew quite a bit about the boats... Then saw a boat sailing past the docks and I felt the wind - blowing the opposite direction to what I was imagining. For some reason my brain taught me that the wind should be blowing into my face going forward but it comes from behind! Duh!
I love the initiative you took to put this together and so cool you got such a humble "student".
Wow, thank you so much for doing this and recording it!. I have had a lifelong interest in aviation and am always fascinated by these simulation-to-real-life crossovers. This video was very fun to watch.
you sir have hit the algorithm with whatever it likes to see cuz i got a cold recommend, I dont watch DCS content at all but some aircraft. keep doin what your doing and your channel will skyrocket! great vid would love to see more heli content, you earned a sub from me!
This was a fantastic video. Very well done. Bravo zulu to both of you.
Got a subscriber this was awesome and this dudes teaching/explaining skills are out of this world
If you do end up making this a series i guess the subscription was worth it, cant wait to see more.
Think this vid did about as good of a job as handling this content as is possible - really liked the format and you guys had good chemistry and banter on top of it - basically the kind of stuff I'd be thinking or want to know or talk about lol
Cool to stumble across your video man!! Cool to see you're crushing it
This reminds me of when I was learning to fly the R22. Thanks for the video!
This was amazing to watch. Congrats to both of you!
Great video. reminds me of the time back in 2010 when I got to have the controls of an R44 myself. I forget the simulator I used but pretty sure it was MSFS 2004. it taught me absolutley nothing perhaps except how to read the guages and my hovering in the real helicopter was all over the place as a result. My instructor said "i have the controls" quite a bit!
I was always curious about this. Really great how they dug into this experience and how much carryover there was.
That is a great vid Kaz! Well done . Remember years back when I was in a Hip and th eguy said "you wanna try" , I said no ..... :) it was like flying a building as the Hip is massive . This vid gives me the chills as I might have been alright with his guidance :) Well done to both of you !
Cool vid mate, was rooting for fellow dcs player!
I have "flown" a helicopter once when I was 22. By that I mean at an air show a friend of mines dad is a pilot. I was in the front seat, he let me have control of the cyclic while he handled the throttle as we flew back to their house.
I can't explain to you how scary but reasuring it is to hear someone say "I have control" and yank the cyclic from you. You're panicking because you think you've messed up and are about to die, but at the same time you're so releived that someone who knows what they're doing has control.
I am a fixed wing, private pilot with two hours of logged helicopter time. 1 hour was in a Robinson R22 and the other hour was in a Schweizer (formerly Hughes) 300. I had no isssue flying or hovering the 300. I had a problem with the R-22, over the top cyclic and could not hover and felt insecure flying straight and level. With that said, I'm impressed with this video and the control that you had with the Robinson.
Ex helicopter pilot here... I never liked the cyclic setup on the robbie, and the lack of impact protection, mast bumping problems, etc. Cheap to fly and maintain means they are prolific in training these days... glad I missed that trend :) But agree, they are twitchy and the cyclic takes a bit to get used to, especially if you have experience in a real helicopter ;)
Kaz this is sick content man. Keep going. This type of stuff is going to be huuge! Awesome!
Awesome content and great flying both of you! I did the same thing in Germany in a R22 to compare flightsimming to the real deal.
Really enjoyed this - thanks for sharing!
i dont know why this video was recommended. But i enjoyed every second of it. Thanks!
Wow that hovering! That is extremely impressive.
Cool video guys. I don't know anything about flying a helicopter other than when I played desert combat mod for battlefield 1942, but it's fun to watch you guys.
Not sure how I ran across this video, but you guys deserve millions of views. Great video and I'm a fan of flight sins as well, but haven't followed them in a long time. Going to check out DCS as I have the PC for it, but not using it, it's time! I'm number 600 subscriber!
Awesome you made this happen, really interesting to see.
Loving the Bird Dog! ❤🇨🇦
Great work out there! I can only hope to be that calm in my first hover :)
Nice to see how the real pilot slowly gains some respect from the student and you can tell they are getting better and better friends through the ordeal. Really good trainer pilot though. Super professional
This was very interesting to watch. Thanks for making the video!
Awesome video! I have been a heli junkie that led me to take Fixed wing flight lessons in late 80's discovered girls, Tried again in 2004 with young family fuel shot up, finally 2023 ... met a CFI-S in Oregon where I had a business I had to go out and run during covid (2020) I bought a LSA in June and working around the Wildfire Helicopters and TFR's got my Certificate in Nov 23. Still want to get my Rotorwing. Hope to finish my CFI-S before the end of this year I have a PPL checkride scheduled Aug 27 this year then fly my LSA back to the home base in Florida.
Great video, really fun and informative
Crazy & you deserve more subscribers tbh.
It's rewarding to see how difficult it is for someone with tons of DCS experience, and even how it's kind of a constant battle of wills for an expert, because I've put in a ton of time on Ultrawings on my quest, which I know is nowhere near real, though I've heard in comments somewhere from a real pilot that it's actually pretty good. Anyway, I'm an ace in the planes, but still a mess in the helicopter. It's so unruly. The plane missions are like dog fights, and flying trick maneuvers through rings. The helicopter challenges are just landing in a bulls-eye, and it's so difficult! The closer I get, the more I start oscillating, and sliding all over the place, and then suddenly I'm shooting up into the air, because I pulled the wrong thing, and then I can't turn around to face the target, so I have to go out and come around again, or I'm one foot off the ground, perfectly centered, finally, and bam, I crash into the ground. It's exhausting.
Very cool! That looks a lot harder than I expected.
that's some crazy good hovering for the first time. It took me a couple hours to get to that point. Sign him up!
Really fun to watch this, thanks!
I just experienced the same situation with a buddy I met playing games 6 years ago (we just met for the first time when this all happened). We didn't meet playing sims but I've played MSFS and X-Plane for a few years with a flight stick and my buddy just got his CFI so he took me up in a Cessna 172 G1000. Let me take off while he was shadowing the rudders and basically just let me fly unassisted for 10-20 minutes before he started showing me some maneuvers like freefall and some Gs for fun. He said I did better than most so I'll take that as a win. Definitely nothing like the sim but it teaches you a lot of fundamentals that can be translated to the real world but it's just different enough to be detrimental in a few ways. What a coincidental CZcams recommend!
I don't play with simulators but was invited up for a flight with a friend of mine. Ended up that I did all the take off and flying for about a hour, but not the touchdown. He talked me through the whole flight, was an amazing experience.
That guy did really well! It took me like a bit to do a stable controlled hover. But then again I never did sim stuff before that. But then I did do sims (10 hrs or so) then got back in and I could basically fly and hover.
Great video; keep up the neat work!
This was so interesting! Loved it!
I've never played any simulations and I don't know anything about helicopters and yet this video is so interesting. I play spaceship games and the algorithm blessed me with this video.
19:30 just boss right there. Immediately took over when VRS started to set.
Finally someone makes realistic video on how sim experience translates to real life aviation. Not this "I've dabbled a bit on flight simulator and now I want to test if I can fly an airliner"-stuff, where first thing you notice, is the guy not being able to even fly the sim properly.
I had the opposite happen for me, I had about 60 hours in rotor before they had me try out the sim. I was in sim for maybe 10 minutes before I called it quits. So much of IRL rotor is in the feel. Sim just felt so hollow that I didn't really feel like it was useful for me. Makes sense with how many hours I had though. Weirdly enough the best Sim I found was in VRChat of all things, whoever modeled it there did an absolutely fantastic job.
That was fun. Great video
well done thank you for taking the time to make this
Those chairs look like they've been sitting outside since that plane in the hangar was built.
this is absolutely amazing👍👍👍
Man, you did a great job! Kinda makes me want to get DCS....
Makes you realize how much is actually involved when you see Ukrainian Armed Forces chopper pilots flying fast/low. Great video!
Richard "Beebo" Russell is a classic example that if you sim, you can do it IRL
I'm only 8 minutes in and already know this is a gem
I HAVE A YEAR IN THE APACHE - NOT perhaps as immersed as most, as I have cPTSD quite badly, and only get around an hour or two in at a time. However I am pretty good with the Apache, Huey and some other airframes. I'm SOOOOOOOO looking forward to learning to chop. Here's to hoping these skills translate, and I DO find a bit more confidence having seen this.
Thanks for your work!
Feel FREE to hmu for the invite :P
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Ugh Apaches are so much easier to fly than these commercial helis. once you know the basics at least
having flown Microsoft flight sim with a setup. The muscle memory became very natural to me. The only difference is the resistance in the controls when flying. Whether it be takeoff, or simple trimming the aircraft. Feeling the yoke response in the PA28-181 that i was flying with my CFI makes a whole difference.
Love your video
Im not sure this is a genre or channel that id have normally stopped by but boy am i glad i did. Very entertaining, great teacher , very informative. I like the passion involved. Have earned a sub for sure.
PS I would love to see more adventurous videos like this, now i know you cant be a typical youtuber doing outrageous things like "Today i let a blind man take the controls!" Kinda video title 🤣. But it would be awesome if you could carve out some sort of series of videos that go like this, although your limited to the maneuvers and tricks you can display, and of course your time would be limited. Perhaps a real life mission simulation you draw up for this man and give a shot at completing beginning to end but with you there as the safety net? Would love to see more!
Super cool, love stuff like this
Really cool video!
How awesome is this. So cool
this is awesome great video
So awesome!
only ever did 14hrs myself, never solo. one of the best times was at Bankstown airport Sydney, south padock, there we did hover practice etc, and I saw some rabbits, so I followed one, instructor reminded me to be mindful of rotors on ground, and after about 1 min, He made the call, "I have controls" he said, and he truly mustered that little critter off the paddock.
This was back in mid 90's, The biggest problem I had was something I call, Billykart feet, where you push your right foot forward expecting the helicopter to turn left. I eventually got a PC and Jane's Combat Simulations: Longbow 2 , then MSFS 98, some slide pedles and retrained my feet. Never flown since.
I totally know what you mean, when I start playing DCS id turn the pedals where I wanted to go like a wheel and go the opposite the way I thought! Good thing I got past that in sim before doing this flight 😅
Wow, you just unlocked an old memory with Longbow 2. Haven’t thought about that since I was a kid.
awesome vid!
My only real question is simply this, If you 2 were out on that sandbar. And you had a medical emergency. Would you be confident and the DCS players' ability to then start up that helicopter fly you back to safety given no other options?
Best one of these types of video's I've seen. Great work
This is the video I have been waiting for.
I used MS FS and X Plane extensively in training for my PPL SEL. I know the benefits and limitations for fixed wing.
I learned to fly rotorcraft solely in-sim and really want to know how much translates to real world helicopter flying.
Great Informational Video. I am so jelly.
I'm amazed!
Fixed wing CFII here. I’ve had a couple students start flight training with flight sim experience and some with more hours than I have in the real thing. Sure they have basic and sometimes even solid stick skills but the one thing that really irked me was the fact that they came to me with their own already formed habits. I told all of them (at least the zero timers/student pilots) after we met that from that moment on the only time they’re gonna fly is in a real airplane and with me. Sound like a crazy possessive bf lmao but I want them to fly with the habits and flows that they’ll learn with the guidance of a CFI. The only time I find it useful is during their IR, but even at that, only after we get some solid flights in so they can learn an effective instr scan and managing workload when loading FPLs etc. Flight sims have the potential to be a powerful tool but in my experience it’s always boiled down to right time/place use and having a good attitude/balance with real life flying and flight sim time.
Student pilot here :)
Prior to starting my PPL course, I had a *lot* of time on R/C aircraft (fixed wing and helo) as well as simulators. My experience: sims will teach you the very basics of flying, but no more. It will not give you muscle memory unless your controls are very similar. I used that to good effect: I was pretty crap at flying R/C helicopters, until I wired my Logitech joystick I used for the sims into the transmitter. Instant success; suddenly I was able to fly pretty complex maneuvers. Of course sims and R/C aircraft share an important property: you fly them visually only, there is no feedback from the controls or your other senses.
From my experience I think you got the right approach... Flying the aircraft isn't that hard, but RT, navigating, flying by visual references and feeling rather than the instrument, workload management, and so on: that's the hard part, and not easily learned in a sim. And it's easy to pick up bad habits. Luckily my CFI is someone who'll sit on those quite hard. A few things I have tried using a sim for during my course:
- Emergency or precautionary landings. Not so much the actual landing but the procedure, selecting a field and managing your energy to get there.
- Cockpit management: juggling maps, kneeboard, protractor and ruler while doing navigation tasks. I found that just like in the real aircraft, working with all these things leads to lose track of altitude or attitude.
- Training the use of certain checklists during parts of the flight where you'll generally be busy with a lot of other stuff (particularly approach / landing). Luckily MS flight sim has the exact aircraft I am training in.
I think sims can help, but for very specific parts of the training only. I don't know if a sim if going to shave a lot of hours off anyone's PPL training, but in my case it has definitely helped me improve on some of the stuff that I needed to improve on.
@@kaasmeester5903 yes! Very good for practicing flows and chair flying them! But I always say not until we go up and get some reps in together haha. Sounds like you’re in good hands and you use it as an actual tool for training. I had a guy that would never study/practice what he was supposed to but always came back with, “dude you gotta see this landing I did in the 737, BUTTER”🤦🏽♂️. It can be great for maneuver flows though, configuring into and out of maneuvers. Also good for you on flying with your sectional and e6b out. After PPL I ditch all that stuff lol. But don’t listen to some rando CFI in a CZcams comment section though haha. Keep on studying and flying!!
Glad you were never my instructor. Not understanding the tools and how to apply them to training, and telling students not to use them. This anti-sim POV is outdated and an extension of the old guys that are afraid of computers.
Meanwhile back on the other side of things, sim is just advanced chair flying. Practice concepts you were taught, and don't teach yourself, and it's an amazing tool.
@@sakumisan I’m a young guy, 27, and am a child of the magenta line. If you actually took the time to read my whole comment you’d understand that I’m not anti sim and that I believe it has the potential to be a powerful tool when used side by side with the type of flying a student is learning. I say no sim allowed because how does dogfighting in DCS or doing long haul flights in a 747 help your steep turns, or remembering required VFR equip, inop equip flow, privs and lims, systems, weather products etc. I say no sim allowed because what’s done in the plane is only 30% of what needs to be learned. If a student has hours and hours to dick around in DCS, or best case scenario actually chair fly maneuvers/emergency flows, I’d much rather them use that time to study regs and what’s outlined in the pertinent ACS/PTS. What you said is literally another iteration of what i said, and that’s if you’re going to sim at all, to only take what’s been taught to you into the sim and not bring what you taught yourself in the sim to the airplane. I’m glad you were never my student and I hope you were/are never an instructor. Terrible comprehension skills and a stink attitude🤷🏽♂️
I studied and flew in VR a few months before starting my PPL. I soloed at 20 hours and surpassed just about any of the students at the school. My CFI has a student at 60 hours who still hasn't soloed. I still practice patterns and XC in the sim before flying them in real life so it doesn't feel like the first time.
This is amazing.
Man, I think that would be so much fun! I've never flown at all except in games. I've always wanted to fly a helicopter. I did have a chance to ride in a Blackhawk years ago but got sick and wasn't able to make it out of my room.
Good job!
Thanks for this guys, I have a FFB stick which adds a ton of extra information for sure. Super interesting watch thank you :)
I found when I did my last flight in a little Cessna 152 in heavy wind I was heavily over correcting the aircraft instead of simply trimming and letting it do its own thing, apart from that it felt dead easy tbh, I would love to try a Helo :)
awesome vid guys!!!!! much love, [Raiders] Archer...