Belt Printing 24/7 ON A WALL!
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- Here are some AWESOME upgrades for the @Creality3D CR-30 that'll give it added functionality, make it easier to use, and help it print with gravity!
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CR-30 Community Firmware:
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Capricorn Tubing:
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CR-30 Linear Rail Upgrade Kit:
▶ www.repkord.com/collections/c...
CR-30 Motor Upgrades:
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CR-30 Wall Mount Kit:
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Love the video, thanks for the highlights. I hope everyone likes my stepper upgrade.
I'm expecting mine within a few days... looking forward to it
immediately went and purchased after seeing this video!
Installing mine this weekend!
Between this and Aurora Tech Channel chick I feel like I just gained a decade worth of knowledge and I haven't even bought one yet
Pooch did some pretty great upgrades there 😎 Love the LDO stepper housings
Some seriously good upgrades, might need to retrofit mine! The original design with that timing pulley so far out was just... awful.
Yeah but its what Creality are known for!
Hi Make’s Muse, PM me we can just send you motor upgrade kit.
@@ldomotorsjason3488 cheers! The CR-30's in storage while I reorganise but will get in touch when ready to pull it out :)
@@ldomotorsjason3488 sign me up homie, the whole printer too please * - *
@@ldomotorsjason3488 feel free to send others upgrade motor kit. I am sure everyone would appreciate it 👍🙏🇦🇺🇦🇺
Yeah, definitely could not have had that happen at a better time! Upgrades look great! We are excited for our first belt printer coming soon!
So cool! Never thought of putting a belt printer on a well, cant wait to see where belt printers go in the next few years, I wonder if we will ever see them in the ~$300 range
How deep is this well? How will you get the prints out after?
You absolutely will see them in the cheap price range soon.
Daniel Cockerton been 5 months tho
Unless it's a solid concrete wall, the noise from vibrations will get amplified by the typical internal hollow walls, just like a beating drum.
Don't ask how I know...
With dampers in between it should help
The screws attached to the studs should probably help with that, at least a little, but attaching a container of beads or dried beans or something to rattle around should be pretty good at converting any resonance into noise and a tiny bit of heat. Sand might compact too well depending on the type of sand.
The nice thing about them transmitting vibrations through the wall is that there's suddenly a lot more space to install dampers, and you can use the bulky and cheap options without problems.
Try an insulated wall of your house. The insulation in your outer walls is chosen not just for it's thermal but also it's acoustic properties. However an AC will still carry vibration through such walls. Used to drive me nuts when my brother's AC had splitting rubber boots, my computer desk was against the same wall but other side of house and I could really tell when his AC went into compression. Wound up cutting new compressor boots out of old tires just to solve the hum.
how you know? XD
Run two and flip the print so they're always running opposite
Looks like an awesome setup! Thanks for sharing the process of setting these up, you guys are legends! 👌
Nice upgrade tips.
Awww thanks dude!
@@3DPrintingNerd Just the tips, and only for a second
What an awesome video! Just great to see those printers in action and what makes them able to run 24/7
Love it when videos are informative and humorous and not too serious. Keep up the good work.
I LOVE that y'all talk about the heating wires and moving to ferrules. This is such an overlooked safety upgrade
Pooch is an extremely awesome guy, he sold me 20 CR-30s. Definitely recommend doing business with him.
Can’t wait to hang these on my wall.
20 ?!?!?
What are you going to do with 20 CR-30s?
What are you printing?
@@CardSearcher911 I’ll be launching our CZcams channel soon.
@@CardSearcher911 I’m waiting on buying a building for our factory next week.
@@OfficialNetDevil is it released yet
Where is the yt channel
I have one of these and still haven’t hung it on the wall yet 😂🤣 or updated the firmware
PUT IT ON THE WALL CLAYTON
Get it together man!
As soon as I buy a house in Seattle I’m wall hanging mine forrrrr sure!!
Wait, are you local? Are you in Seattle?
@@3DPrintingNerd soon to be! Hopefully around January
How can you not absolutely love this "Hobby". So cool guys.
Holy hell!!
😳😳😳😳
That's a brilliant idea. Thanks for sharing.
I like how you took sort of a "belt and suspenders" approach to the CR30 ;-) Great video!
Amazing definitely picking up these upgrades
Ive actually found to get the belt adhesion just about perfect in my area (ohio, were pretty humid right now), that a wipe down of IPA on the belt across the entire surface and length (this takes a while as slow as the z speed is) allowing it to dry and then a light layer of the aqua purple hair spray (again across the entire belt) will restore the adhesion. I run my unit for longer items (extrusions) and have run it for about 5 days straight at a time over the last 2 months and i still going strong. I may look into a few the upgrades mentioned in this video, thanks.
If you are a clever diy person. You could have sponge loaded with IPA lengthwise along the front of the belt just after where print comes off, gravity fed by a bottle of IPA with a solenoid to open when printer is going, keeping it wet.. Run it for a while to see where is is drying on average and then after there put a bar over it with lots of holes drilled in it facing the belt, connect with a hose and solenoid to your hair product of choice, making a tiny spray every time the stepper motor moves. Now when the belt rolls back around you have a cleaned and prepped surface, fully automated.
Joel! You have been putting out so much content lately I'm having trouble keeping up. Keep up the great work! High-5!
HEY DUDE! Thank you, we will!
These upgrades are awesome! I definitely have to get the list before I get this monster printer.
I'd love that setup, amazing.
Very clever adaptations. Thanks!
Congratulations great video. I'm having a lot of work with the printer, I honestly expected more should. Everyone in communities with a calibration issue. But she comes with a lot of things to be adjusted to really work! But let's go!
I've noticed over time that the delrin V-wheel's also wear down over time. I have an Ender 3 that I've upgraded with about 2 years of consistent daily printing and I've had to replace the v-wheels a couple of times due to the wheels no longer holding the gantry to the extrusion snugly.
Very good info and upgrade options hanks to Repkord (Pooch) for pointing these out ! Joel that @ 8:15 moment was spot on !!! I am also having the same experience with my belt printer. Happy Extruding ! Thanks for making this one !
thats such a good idea for this printer. I love it.
YESSSS! I’ve been waiting for this video!
I have the new steppers in hand and will be installing them. Will need to see about the other upgrades (one at a time...) and will need to season the belt as I'm having fun adhesion issues too.
Season it with hairspray. No joke.
@@3DPrintingNerd if only I had that on me at the moment :P
@@3DPrintingNerd Yes, hair spray works very well!
You could make something that applies a new layer of adhesive to the belt on the bottom or top as it prints too! That way it's always applying a new coat of adhesive to replenish the belt
If your solder joint is cracking because of thermal cycling, you have a cold joint. Crimps also create joints that will have higher resistance, they are just easier for the average person to do instead of tinning your joint. What would be the best connection here would be to solder directly to the board. Another option, if you need that connection to be easily broken, would be to solder the connector on and then cover the joint in heat shrink. You can get connectors that can do thing in one heating step, using either a heat gun or carefully applied flame.
After printing with the same machine for over 2 months non-stop, I ran into the Bowden tube issue and had to replace mine with the Capricorn. I didn't realize however that the wires were tinned. I'm doing that update now as we speak, and thanks to this video, I've also ordered the upgrades.
I bet you're going to like those upgrades, and I AM SO HAPPY you're getting rid of those tinned wires!
@@3DPrintingNerd Ya, I just finished adding the Ferrules. Had to sacrifice the print, but well worth it for safety. Just so everyone knows, the heater block wire is also tinned. E2508 (14AWG 2.5mm2) for the power and E7508 (20AWG 0.75mm2) for the heater block worked for me.
Nothin like a little bit of good ol NPA! Nano Polymer Adhesive for the WIN! :D thanks for the shoutout! :)
Do you have any retailers selling it in Europe? would like to get some to try
Now this helps me ALOT !!
my best 10mins of 3d printing on YT so far xD
Wow, nice little video... interesting in checking out what his upgrades were and cost, I finally recieved mine from the kickstarter a few weeks ago and it's been sitting in the kitchen waiting for me to find a spot for it and assembly. I was thinking about contacting you Joel to see if you wanted to play with it as it's "production" rather than a review one.
I've been watching you for 5 years and just picked up my first printer
Great great video... So how precise is realistic for pooch or others? +/-.01mm from machine to machine or how close?
I hope the French cleats are a little more structurally sound than the Pooch Table....lol
I get so s
Giddy over 3d printer videos like this.
I think you could even invent a alc cleaning sponge system on the top roll of the belt. So you always have a clean belt
I noticed an air vent, presumably from your heating/cooling system right next to the printer. Doesn’t that mess with the part cooling? Or is that vent blocked off?
what is the "nano polymer" that is used for bed adhesion the wall mount?
Is there a linear rail upgrade kit yet or a parts list with plate template/stl?
Further upgrade ideas: Put a hood over the top of the printer (in its new orientation) to trap hot air around the build region. Put some rubber pads on the contacting flats of the French Cleats to lower noise and vibration. Put that Palette 3 Pro you have on this machine. And finally, add an accelerometer and Raspberry Pi onto it to install Klipper and implement input shaping.
0:23 I see different printers are printing at different positions on the belt. Looks like this is done to ensure they end up in the right bins? I guess you can rotate different parts between printers to use the full width of the belt (lengthening the interval between belt treatments/replacements).
Is there any reason why you wouldn't instead slice a series of the same model at different X positions (but still staggered in Y)?
Keep on this !!
Hey from Ireland , love your work , will you be doing a video on the upgrade for the Prusa SL1 to the SL1S ? Really interested to see what you think
That's the plan!
I recently just bought my CR-30... but having trouble with getting it to print from the purge lines. Any suggests on configs..? Would love some help.
Hi, can we use these machines to print flexible filament with a design of lower height?
Thinking about adding one to my small print farm. Now that it is 2 years later, what do you think on them? Do you still use them? Thanks for your time and response.
would be cool if you could have some sort of extruder or arm applying layers of that adhesive on the belt as it prints
Premature ejection happens with 4 out of 4 men using stock creality machines. 😁
That's what she said!!!
love the upgrades and instantly went and bought what i could. one question. what was the purpose for the fan changes? was this due to the firmware update?
The fans were moved to different headers because with the community firmware, the fans can be off when not needed. Default from creality is always on.
Hello i have a similar setup with my cr30 but i was wondering if i can get some help/advise with petg, i can print pla without problems on the wall but i cant get a mm of petg to stick..??? Any help is appreciated thank you
just a question if it's mounted on the wall does it still need a roller infront to make it infinity Z
what slicer are you using ? thanks
What are the triangular things with the holes?
The editor was having a lot of fun
Have to assume that the 0.9 steppers run cooler than the 1.8 because they aren't being microstepped? Or at least microstepped less?
Were the interior modifications limited to moving the fan I/O and putting ferrules on the mains? I'd love to see and extended video on calibrating z-steps.
Yes, for interior modifications, that was it. I am releasing an extended cut to my Patreon audience this evening on that. Just more in deptch on the moves and crimping the ferrules. As for calibrating Z steps, have a look here: czcams.com/video/fESyPRpbJVc/video.html
Im wondering.. What would happen if i try to wall mount my CR10S PRO... ?.. maybe you could test it out?.
I would also like such a printer, as I currently do not have things to print specifically for this one
What has been done to this fleet to speed them up for mass production ? Bigger nozzles. If so which type? Speed/resolution settings?@Repkord
How do you calbrate the zsteps?
omg all the reference jokes ;) Good Job man!
I've yet to use the wall mount that came with my cr-30. Its handy but currently im a little too busy printing things a bit too tall 😅
All good man hahaha. Once you have the time to put it on a wall, it's a game changer.
Awesome 👏
Not as awesome as those motors and mounts!
I can't wait until Voxelab makes a CR-30 for half the price. 🤩
Amen
Honest question... have you tried this thing with warp-prone materials like ASA, ABS, and/or Nylon? This video made me wonder about the feasibility of making some kind of "booth" (or at least a stand with a curtain around it) for an enclosure, but the adhesion to the belt - and what happens when such a material leaves the belt - makes me wonder if that's just not going to work. Watching some of your more recent vids, such an experiment seems right up there with the craziness you enjoy.
Interesting. I'm waiting to see how many other companies make a 3D Belt Printer besides Creality.
iFactory, Kywoo, Powerbelt3d, and of course blackbelt
Your INtro image on this video, there is 10 printers hanging on the wall?
what video is that, cant find it
That’s from the Repkord facility in California. Don’t have a dedicated video on that yet but working on it!
@@3DPrintingNerd Glad to here that, keep your videos flowing, love to see them, take care, From Denmark
My ender3 is almost a caddy , so many upgrades ill never get my money back lol. But once I'm done I think I'll be looking at the cr30 fory next printer .
2:45 you sure thats a 40mm shaft???
Other than running cooler, is there any other benefit to having 0.9° stepper motors? Others have said that these cause the printer to work harder because you have to double your steps for each axis that has one.
search for the video "1.8 vs. .9 Degree Steppers Help or Hype?" it might be helpful to answer your questions
Third. Amazing videos! The work put into them is unreal.
have you had to service the hot end yet? It sucks!
if you really plan to do 24-7 printing the cr-30 really needs a quick swap connectorized hot end upgrade.
Has anyone done this yet?
Realistically tho a solder tinned wire would last forever in a terminal unless you're dealing with crazy vibration and super heat over 100*C on the motherboard.
I guess it dosent hurt to crimp the terminal on. But I dont think I need to.
I have one of the first CR10 machines from 2014/15 I use it daily and I've never crimped connectors on the wires.
These guys are great... Pooch is really muscled in the arms... did a lot of CR-30 lifting...
"Creality" is such a great name
Hi guys, great video as always. I plan on buying one of these in a month or two so could you tell me if these are good for printing long objects while on a wall? Or will the print be too big and heavy? Thanks.
Have a look at the video I did with Neil Patrick Harris - 7 day long prints on the wall!
If we don’t have any wall space available, is there an over door mount coming? Or perhaps ceiling???
CR-30 on a ceiling - Pooch get right on that!
Under the desk
I have official Capricorn tubing and it deforms/melts just the same in the hotend. I've done pull tests measuring the force required to pull filament 10 meters through of tubing and found zero difference. Putting the printer on a wall is a very neat idea though, it's an obvious choice for print farms.
Oh it does? Whoa. Hmm, what else could explain what Pooch was experiencing on his wall of cr30 printers? Any ideas?
@@3DPrintingNerd There is nothing new in the fact that Capricorn tubing is at best innefective and at worst a scam and a health hasard, it is stated in multiple places that the tube should not be exposed to >240C in tiny small print on their website. Using filled/modified PTFE with whatever affinity agent they use doesn't magically raise the off-gasing point. If it was so magical, lined pans would use their blend and they'd be billionaires.
hello! very interesting and good information, I wanted to ask you if you know of any printer on the market that can make a surfboard, I need it to print at least 30cm high and 40cm wide and infinity (similar to creality cr 30) but bigger .....I would appreciate your answer since you know so much about the whole world of 3d printers. Greetings from Argentina!
It would be really nice to be able to buy this ready-made
Working on it
Now if only I could get my hands on a CR-30...
I was looking at my printer and was thinking about doing crimp connections to my power board. And after having hearing about the potential fire hazard ill be doing that today
Hey thanks .
I am so close to throwing my cr30 in the garbage. My part is petg and I have only been able to get good adhesion for one cycle that lasted a few days. Changed Capricorn, all metal hot end, and cleaned the crap out of the belt still no luck. Will have to try some of these upgrades but getting close to going office space on this turd....
Aww crud. I think you're like me and just want the stupid belt to be better. Matterhackers and Ultistik are both working on better belt solutions. Don't toss it yet!
@@3DPrintingNerd I hope that will be the case and this printer doesn't just end up being a passing fad. For now I just keep printing my parts on the prusa.
what slicer program do you use for belt printers?
IdeaMaker works well, and so does Kiri:Moto
Ironically I just watched a video about upside down printing helping certain projects. This actually makes more sense again.
Good to see you working with Pooch. Miss him from Hot Makes.
Very thankful I got the chance to host him for a few days!
Hi Joel,
the CR-30 is a pretty interesting machine, but your hint about the Capricorn tubing feels misleading. As far as I know, it is still "just" PTFE, meaning it will degrade at a certain temperature. I don't know where you got that 340°C from, but I'm assuming it's a typo and means 240°C? Even at those temperatures, I don't want to risk the fumes coming from the degrading PTFE, I always prefer all-metal heatbreaks.
Greetings!
Nice mods!!
Pushing to get those "Single Weld, PEI Coated Stainless Steel Belts" that Nak3D had in production would be of use i'd bet over those rubber ones
I know those probably are much better. A few companies have poured some secret sauce into new belts too. I get the feeling we are going to see some fun belt surprises before the year is done.
@@3DPrintingNerd got my fingers crossed.
Hmm
The IPA wash really did work. Took a lot of wiping but seems to be worth it so far. Crossing fingers.
Is Naomi Wu still involved with the CR-30 community? It would be cool if she can get some evolution of her printer (I hear she is no longer associated with Creality)
I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but couldn't you mount a sort of "paint roller" at the start of the belt to constantly apply a fresh layer of adhesive to the belt?
I think that would work, but I think just getting a better belt would be best.
It might be worth treating the belt in glycerin. Condition the rubber so that it's as soft and pliable as can be. I really don't like the idea of applying IPA to black rubber, makes the rubber brittle over time if you keep doing that.
Pooooch! Sac town original in the house!