when a director time travels
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- Back to the Future, Terminator, Harry Potter, Looper and so many other time travelling movies are actually nonsensical.
So they're trash right?
Let's talk about it...
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I havent seen time travel done as well as it was done in Dark, the German Netflix TV show. It uses the concept of time travel as a means to discuss the concept of determinism vs free will and i think it does it phenomenally. It does a few things to try and deal with the issues that come with the introduction of certain time travel paradoxes.
Edit: time travel doesnt really work in the sense there is no-one who has ever experienced time travel that isnt linearly forward and, as far as we're aware, no-one ever will. In that sense its just as much a fantasy as it is sci-fi
Random shout here...but I think time travel exists already!
@@MarcusFlemmings if it did we don't know it, yet, but that'd be cool if it were possible for us!
Almost disappointed you didn’t mention About Time!
Ooooops....not seen it! But heard about it!
My favorite time travel movie is the 1979 film Time After Time with Malcolm McDowell, David Warner, and Mary Steenburgen. There's just something so ridiculously cool about H.G. Wells time traveling to 1970's San Francisco to catch Jack The Ripper and falling in love with Mary Steenburgen along the way. Fantastic video Marcus. Might even put a smile on the face of Amy Adams. Big thumbs up👍👈
Mary Steenburgen is wonderful! Loved her in Justified! And huge love for you and Amy!
When it comes to world building the Harry Potter films will take some beating and for that reason I'm a huge fan... Fun video, I enjoyed the confetti edits 😂
Oh no, you're a HP fan! :((((
@@MarcusFlemmings once every 2 years, we exist!
i think time travel doesn't work because it's not real, it's just theory. yes, there is grandfather paradox, butterfly effect etc, but truly none of them are real or have any substantial evidence to prove.
so, every time travel movie is an theory from a director, who may or may not know some basic physics. and a good time travel movie might be the one that have the same concept of it as you imagined.
in some aspect, time travel movies are rom coms, none of them have real life basis, but some of them work, but some don't.
ps about that fav genre at beginning, you do know that there probably corn version of every movie? interstellar corn version may suprise you (don't know if that exists or watched it, but hey seems like a wild set up)
ps 2. i guessed harry potter. best movie of entire universe
Did you know the Butterfly Effect is original comes from meterology-research? And it created a whole new field of math.
@@AmityvilleFan no I didn't, but it's still a theory for any consequences during time travel
Was looking for this comment. A “good” time travel movie is one that is either so inconceivably complex, they successfully discover time travel or just one u like watching.
Interstellar com is now on my search engine!
Don't shit on tenet don't shit on TENET...
I had to...it's crap!
In back to the future 2, after biff gives his young self the almanac, he returns to the unaltered timeline. He should have returned to find out he's a billionaire
Back to the Future 2 is genius, but like crazy scientist genius, where it breaks its own rules!
Bill and Ted's excellent adventure is the greatest time travel movie ever made.
I barely remember it, but loved it as a kid and the sequel too!
never realized bill paxton in terminator seen it 100 times lol
fav : harry potter and the prisoner of azkaban, triangle, fringe (tv show), 12 : 01 (short movie), groundhog's day, final destination, erased (anime), life is strange (video game), happy as lazaro and black mirror : bandersnatch
dirk gently's holistic detective agency and doctor who for fun 👀
Fringe was good! Not sure if Groundhound day is time travelling though!
@@MarcusFlemmingsit's a time loop, meaning that you constantly going back in time
To be honest, only time travel movie I enjoyed it was Primer. Looper was fun because it refuse to go into details of time travel. I forgot to mention fsck interstellar.
HAHAAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHHAHA! You can't leave the comment with that last line and not justify it!
I literally had a conversation with my flat mate about this topic just before the video is posted. We argued if Interstellar and Tenet are time traveling movies. Now, because I personally think Interstellar is not one of them and Tenet is while loving both (the former more than the latter), I can only say Tenet is my favorite in this "genre." Though, I still scream whenever I find out a movie I want to see uses this trope. Why? BECAUSE. ACTIONS. HAVE. CONSEQUENCES!
I want to add that, among the movies mentioned in your videos, time traveling films always get drastically different reactions out of me. Like... I got too disgusted as a kid watching Marty and HIS MOM in Back to the Future, too disappointed realizing how nonsensical Predestination and Looper were after getting distracted by how entertaining they were, and too annoyed that I had to give Star Trek and X Men a pass because they wanted to "softly" reboot the franchises. 12 Monkeys, though, traumatized the heck out of my childhood, yet got me incredibly intrigued.
I don't think either are time travel films
I think interstellar is a time travelling movie, by proxy. Tenet isn't. BUT also, honestly speaking, time travelling movies make no sense! Hahaa! So I just enjoy them for what they are - pure sci-fi! Back to the Future being my favourite!
Interstellar is....
What I want from a movie is internal consistency. I don't mind if the science is junk science as long as it stays within its rules. The 12 Monkeys TV Show is a good one and I also really like Continuum (the Sci-Fi Channel show) and Travelers. For movies, I like 12 Monkeys, Run Lola Run, Edge of Tomorrow, Safety Not Guaranteed, Groundhog Day and Donnie Darko.
Fab choices! Same here, the science fiction will always be crap - because time travel doesn't exist! But consistency is key.
The Dark series is the most complex and complete time travel story I have ever seen. It does not have any plot holes, it is fully logical and it is perfectly planned plot by plot.
Quantumphysics don't make sense either, but it still works. This is why I vote Predestination.
Either way, if the story holds itself up, I don't look for realism further than that. So Terminator 1-2-3 works out fine, because it works with fix point in time: the Machine War will happen. You don't fight to prevent that, you fight to win that.
Love this comment fro you - I think it's your best so far!
@@MarcusFlemmings thx
I've always said that the time-travel in Prisoner of Azkaban was the best depiction of time travel. The consistent timeline, where you don't have any different timelines, you can't actually change anything, you just scoot back on the same timeline and experience the exact same events again, and whatever you do has already happened... it's the only way for time-travel to actually make sense. The whole video, I was like, "Prisoner of Azkaban... Prisoner of Azkaban... hope he mentions Prisoner of Azkaban..." ... was not disappointed.
Have you watched Dark, on Netflix? I'd recommend watching it in German with subs if you haven't 🫢
Big love for this! Like i said, not a huge fan of the series but I do like that film for the time travelling elements :)
I need to get to episode 2, episode 1 was a struggle!
@@MarcusFlemmings I think the first season starts a bit slow cause it's introducing concepts and it's more of a drama involving missing kids. The latter half of season 1 is excellent. Season 2 is bonkers and one of my favourite seasons of TV 😂
Outer Ridge with Josh Brolin. Amazon series. 2nd season is out. Crazy, time travel. I would say it's rubbish by what you said. I like it, because it's entertaining. It doesn't follow the theory of time travel. I like don't think you would like it.
I might give it a try!
The Lake House, Keanu & Sandra using their chemistry for good. I don't care if it doesn't use science and their is a ginormous plot hole at the end. I just love that movie.
Maybe I am slow, but how is the Harry Potter time travel the most logical? What is if his future self thinks "hm, let's see what happens if I don't help my past self"? That's just another paradoxon
But he never did, which is the point. It's something Dark grapples with. If he did that, then it would be a completely different story - in this 'timeline' Harry always chooses to help his past self because he always experienced his future self helping him and that's what he feels compelled to do in the moment. Remember it feels like a repeating cycle when you follow it, but as Harry is travelling linearly through time, he only ever makes the decision the once.
That's something that's ingrained in his character and personality (whether that's consistent with the rest of the films I honestly can't remember and is a different question).
That's what is logical about it.... that different decisions like that actually aren't possible, because everything in life, right down to the thoughts in your head that make you make decisions... are PART of the timeline, and are therefore fixed. There's no version of the timeline where Harry wouldn't decide to do it, because there's no different timelines where his thoughts would be different. EVERYTHING is the same, because there is ONLY ONE TIMELINE, and you can't change it. You can only scoot back on it and participate in the way that the timeline has always existed, including the time loop. The time loop was never not there and can never be not there, no matter what happens. Harry's thought process and realization that makes him take the action... can never not happen, so he can never make a different decision. There is no free will. There is only the illusion of our choices caused by the processes in our brains, and those processes are themselves part of the timeline. The timeline is fixed and unchangeable, down to every single little detail. It can't happen any other way.
This is the only way for time-travel to make sense, because any way that involves a changeable timeline or multiple timelines is always gonna cause a paradox of some sort due to the changeable factors that should change everything, but no storyteller wants EVERYTHING to change, so they always want to keep the main character the same somehow, etc, and end up contradicting the idea of a timeline changing, which would logically change EVERYTHING in the timeline. So the only logical way to avoid that problem is for nothing to change. That's how Prisoner of Azkaban handles it. We don't see anything change, we just see the exact same events from a different perspective. Everything stays consistent. The interesting aspect of the storytelling doesn't come from anything changing, it comes from learning a new perspective on what already happened.
It lends itself to idea that there is no free will :)
I hope that's not a Dark spoiler! :-D
Free will!
Timecrimes mentioned! I always thought that was a cool movie, but it seems like so many people poo poo on it. I'm glad it got some (brief) love.
I just wrote, after four years of work and a *lot* of research an SF novel containing time travel. In mine there's only one time machine and it exists so far in the future of the universe (after most stars have died), no-one, and no civilisation, regardless of their level of technology can use it, only the people living in the future can, and what they do is put things in what is to them the far distant past that 'was always there' from not long after the first galaxies became viable structures, but the technology to create such things didn't exist until nearly the era this time machine was created. I also use it as a means to drive the main plot, but in my story universe there is only one timeline, no multiverse exists, also nothing can be altered if you know about it or saw it happen, so people can't be stopped from dying or saved from accidents you knew about. In the story people can be and are moved into the deep past from this point in time, but the only way back is the long way round, so if they're not immortal in some way or other they would die there, and you can't change any history you don't like on the way because it won't work.
I've only just started the submission process, and it's a complex story quite apart from the time travel aspect, so I've no idea how things will go.
This sounds awesome! Please keep me posted on the progress of it :) and huge love for the comment - stick around!
@@MarcusFlemmings I wrote a short story set in the story universe that hints at what's going on. I did release it online, but as I have no social media presence advertising couldn't happen so I took it and the other two offline. It's the shortest of the three shorts I've written so far, You can see the one I mentioned but I'm redoing the others at the moment.
As always great stuff! Time travel is naff… I wrote a script that plays with the tropes of time travel but is actually a multiverse story… unfortunately I couldn’t get it made and then the topic became what it is today after a great film and than a certain company running multiverses into the ground 😅
Go back to that script, you might have something there!
Heh also thought primer was boring, but i liked Looper and to me Interstellar is a masterpiece, i think the point of movies, or any media whatsoever including youtube vids, is to either teach you something or make you feel things, your videos either teach me something about movies i know or don't, and sometimes you make me laugh, Interstellar made me feel scared, so i loved it.
Don't overthink the time travel stuff, we won't know how it works untill it's possible, and my theory is that it isn't, Guy Pierce did Time Machine in 2002 and i loved it, i also was scared by it, i loved it.
If i was gonna make a time travel movie i would make a short, where the time machine is somewhat like the one from Guy Pierce's movie, but more prototype looking than that, and the inventor would go to the ultra triassic past and the machine would instantly fall down in the ocean and instantly break, the guy would swim like crazy to a shoreline that is somewhat alien, with extinct looking undocumented plants and mushroons, dark clouds and volcanic ash all around, a cloud of insects flies straight to his face, he dies in less than a minute, the local eco system gets introduced to future viruses and bacteries that completely erradicate all non plant based life, humankind gets prevented from existing, the future is all plants.
Twelve Monkeys is desperately tragic, and Back to the Future is terribly optimistic, I love them both
Hahhaa! Maria I need you back on the stream! Your comments are epic!
No Avengers Endgame? Lol...
Ah....oooopssss....I mean, it kinda cheated time travel!
@@MarcusFlemmings haha, fair enough...
I have to go with an old favorite, terminator. the sequels just mess everything up so i'm not talking about them.
Terminator is fantastic! Makes no sense but is fantastic!
I believed for a long time that the Mandela effect is caused by future humans going back in time and changing things
You might be right! Don't discount that theory! :-D
so according to the title of this video they actually do make sense?! dont think thats what you meant. must be hard to not know your own language?
Thanks for the comment! Big love! I'll take some English lessons.
I studied le jetee in school, god everyone hated that film
HAHAHAHAHHAA! That's always the way!