Smash Ultimate: HOW TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE MOVEMENT (w controller cam)

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  • čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
  • This a tutorial for Smash Ultimate and how to improve movement. This movement tutorial will teach you everything you need practice in order to better your control over characters in Smash Ultimate. This guide covers short hops, foxtrots, dash dancing, short hop aerials and short hop aerials out of dash. I'll be also making general guides along with character guides on this channel.
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  • @Natural20LP
    @Natural20LP Před 5 lety +2037

    So for the record:
    Short Hop - 30 times
    Short Hop -> Fast Fall - 30 times
    Short Hop -> Falling attack - 30 times
    Short Hop -> Rising Attack - 30 times.
    Short Hop -> Fast Falling -> Falling attack - 30 times.
    Short Hop -> Fast Fall whilst moving - 30 times.
    Short Hop -> Rising Attack whilst moving - 30 times.
    Short Hop - Fast Fall -> Falling attack while moving - 30 times.
    Anything i missed?

    • @thibautzaugg
      @thibautzaugg Před 5 lety +233

      Not all heroes wear capes.

    • @0rinw893
      @0rinw893 Před 5 lety +55

      I do these in online battles
      These are basically how i do combos lol

    • @9000And1Fails
      @9000And1Fails Před 5 lety +226

      Is this Saitama's training regiment?

    • @tiqosc1809
      @tiqosc1809 Před 5 lety +49

      @@9000And1Fails yeah do this untill your head is bold

    • @Droid15243Z
      @Droid15243Z Před 5 lety +9

      @@9000And1Fails I was about to make a similar comment, I read the OP comment with that scene in the background and it was perfect! xD

  • @ricky4379
    @ricky4379 Před 5 lety +2143

    I wish we could default one of the jump buttons into a short hop button

    • @aphryo
      @aphryo Před 5 lety +233

      Right!? Seems so obvious, but yet.....

    • @ricky4379
      @ricky4379 Před 5 lety +313

      David Pangrac even more weird because they acknowledge the convenience of short hopping with using x+a

    • @iimthomas
      @iimthomas Před 5 lety +30

      i thought i heard somewhere that this was a thing, but i guess jump+attack was what came of it :(

    • @Gernatch
      @Gernatch Před 5 lety +138

      Yeah. So difficult to consistently do it. Aggravating learning curve. Some characters are terrible without short hopping.

    • @happilyisolated
      @happilyisolated Před 5 lety +36

      @@ricky4379 Jump + attack is indeed an easy version for the short up aereal attacks. But, because it's an easy version, I've seen that it will do less % damage. it's still an option while learning, but as he's shown there are better ones later.

  • @NinjaGamer820
    @NinjaGamer820 Před 5 lety +344

    Thank god an actually tutorial where they tell you how to practice 🙏

  • @Lascifrass
    @Lascifrass Před 5 lety +234

    This is handily one of the best videos for Ultimate available right now for players who understand what "nair" means and get some of the basic gameplay elements but don't understand the difference between their play and what they see pros doing. I feel like a lot of pro content creators get really bogged down in jargon that doesn't make any sense to casual players, but this was incredibly comprehensive while still being easy to understand. It actually made me seriously consider shelling out a few bucks for coaching.
    Seriously, I'd love to see more content like this. The controller cam was a great idea, too.

    • @bonniejunk
      @bonniejunk Před 5 lety +2

      Been 4 months, but just wanted to tell you there's plenty of smash jargon guides, notably BananaBoy's.

    • @Stathio
      @Stathio Před 5 lety +8

      I 100% agree with you- the jargon kills most people's motivation to improve- it just sounds like unnecessarily confusing nonsense unless you already know what it means, and even then it's hardly worth the time saved saying it. While in actuality? All of this jargon-ified stuff is actually really simple and accessible to do when it's said in English.
      Like, we're learning how to play a game competitively- we shouldn't have to be basically learning a mini language on top of that.
      So yeah- guides like this which just explain things clearly instead of assuming understanding of slang terminology are really appreciated.
      After all- if we already knew all of these terms, we'd hardly need a guide in the first place, would we?

  • @Josh_ua
    @Josh_ua Před 5 lety +965

    This hands down better than both Zero's & Leffen's movement guides.

    • @NoahTheAmazing9
      @NoahTheAmazing9 Před 5 lety +106

      ReveN they are the definition of having the skill but very little ability to teach

    • @kevinsapokguy
      @kevinsapokguy Před 5 lety +66

      Good players aren't always good coaches. I agree with what you are saying.

    • @thebandit6886
      @thebandit6886 Před 5 lety +11

      True being a good player doesn't make you a good teacher

    • @kvltizt
      @kvltizt Před 5 lety +18

      Just like dash in and like hit da buttons

    • @hiya20xx7
      @hiya20xx7 Před 5 lety

      ReveN get Melee

  • @brostradamus11
    @brostradamus11 Před 5 lety +508

    Controller cam was a good idea

    • @goalazo93
      @goalazo93 Před 5 lety +14

      Very

    • @seadogbill7625
      @seadogbill7625 Před 5 lety +4

      Agreed

    • @rawtrout3402
      @rawtrout3402 Před 5 lety +10

      where the joycons at

    • @Duraith
      @Duraith Před 3 lety +1

      @@rawtrout3402 barely any professional smash players use Joy cons because it's less comfortable, has smaller buttons, and they're simply not used to it. Same goed for pro controller but that's a little more popular.

    • @rawtrout3402
      @rawtrout3402 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Duraith Lmao imagine playing a nintendo switch but with a controller for a different console lmao Simp

  • @theyisgreen.9883
    @theyisgreen.9883 Před 4 lety +54

    1:01 Beginners like to roll
    Me: How do you roll

    • @something1351
      @something1351 Před 4 lety +7

      Yonay Valdes hold shield and move left or right accordingly

    • @isaaccruz7080
      @isaaccruz7080 Před 4 lety +4

      Yes and i hate it

    • @KieraQ0323
      @KieraQ0323 Před 3 lety +5

      As a beginner I liked to use Ike's aether to move

    • @Hi-mo6rq
      @Hi-mo6rq Před 3 lety +2

      My first main was link and i tried to get arrows in mid air

  • @aquatics666
    @aquatics666 Před 5 lety +69

    seriously helpful, so many bullshit tutorials pointing out obvious things and ignoring what we actually want to learn. thanks for taking the time and actually helping me to improve, quite a bit.

  • @InsomniaNest
    @InsomniaNest Před 5 lety +530

    Finally a tutorial that actually holds your hand and doesn't last 30 mins long.
    As a scrub in the game you've earned yourself a sub.
    I hope in the future you do some tutorials on how to link this into a combo. I'm quite bad at em.

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 5 lety +60

      I got youuu

    • @moas13415
      @moas13415 Před 5 lety +31

      from scrub to sub

    • @tylurrxiv7558
      @tylurrxiv7558 Před 5 lety +10

      Kowalski analysis

    • @fasagalag
      @fasagalag Před 5 lety +14

      After you learn fundamentals, you'll probably want to start watching character specific tutorials, as each approach and combo depends on the character.

  • @XxLorenz23xX
    @XxLorenz23xX Před 4 lety +21

    After watching this video and practicing for 3 days 4h each on the 4th day i won 6 straight matches in low gps most of them full stocked, i was really getting tired of getting bodied and i almost gave up on the game, then this video showed up and you saved me, winning deffo makes you enjoy the game, and especially close matches! Thank youtube for putting a good reccomendation for once

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 4 lety +5

      Thank you for this comment!!! I'm really really glad people are still finding it and that it's helping!

    • @levibest2409
      @levibest2409 Před 4 lety +2

      I’m going to try this to

  • @isaaccruz7080
    @isaaccruz7080 Před 4 lety +71

    Heres one of my problems tho:
    My grab range: brawl ganondorf
    Opponents grab range: melee marth

    • @mr.fox8011
      @mr.fox8011 Před 3 lety +4

      Ikr

    • @BraulioPallares
      @BraulioPallares Před 3 lety +2

      Apparently if you dash attack into a grab in quick succession your grab range is extended a bit, try it out

  • @chawk_
    @chawk_ Před 4 lety +20

    This is an amazing video. As a vet of FPS games, where I understand every hidden mechanic and perform them like second nature. Learning these things and finding them can be so tedious. Took me thousands of hours in CSGO, Overwatch and other FPS games to learn the techniques I know. Doing it all over again for a whole different genre is quite daunting. But, you’ve made my journey less painful with this amazingly informative and helpful video. Thanks JTails! Subbed.

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 4 lety +1

      Hey I'm really happy to hear this man! As someone who also dabbles in fps games, I know exactly what you mean. I've been focusing on Valorant a lot lately.

  • @Antonbrehbrahbruh
    @Antonbrehbrahbruh Před 5 lety +32

    Jtails with that S tier teaching

  • @nickhappy1110
    @nickhappy1110 Před 5 lety +44

    thanks for teaching

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 5 lety +5

      You're very welcome!

    • @barroth3658
      @barroth3658 Před 3 lety

      @@JulesTrades What controller do you use?

    • @bbqsauce5906
      @bbqsauce5906 Před 3 lety

      @@barroth3658 he uses the gamecube controller for the nintendo switch

  • @IllusionGamingIG
    @IllusionGamingIG Před 5 lety +14

    You've been my favorite smash tuber man. This was extremely helpful man. I've been off and on playing for years but this has seemed to help me the most

  • @ShockN745
    @ShockN745 Před 5 lety +15

    You have a real talent for teaching (not limited to smash, it's clear). Great Job, and Thank you!

  • @smashguy7986
    @smashguy7986 Před 4 lety +5

    Jtails, this is actually so sick. Thank you so much. It's such a simple routine but progressively gets harder. I cannot thank you enough dude.

  • @renzokuken631
    @renzokuken631 Před 5 lety +5

    After a week of practising this, I've gotten so much better. Still making mistakes like full jumping instead of short hopping, or I press down too early. But against friends, I find myself doing SO MUCH BETTER. So thank you!

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 5 lety +1

      Hey super happy to hear this! I'm really glad it's helpful to you, please keep sharing!

    • @renzokuken631
      @renzokuken631 Před 5 lety +1

      @@JulesTrades Yep! Sharing it with my friends. Keep up the good work!

  • @alexanderalvarez6227
    @alexanderalvarez6227 Před 5 lety +90

    Nice we just played each other in elite Smash Jtails. I played ness you played Diddy and then we got matched up again Ness Vs Snake. Happy Holidays man. GGS

  • @XxdollarxX
    @XxdollarxX Před 5 lety +2

    Best movement guide on CZcams period. Really enjoy the idea of having some homework to practice and will be watching this while I train as well.

  • @SonicHaXD
    @SonicHaXD Před 5 lety +12

    This video helped me understand why I keep losing to fast Inklings. Thanks! Gonna practice practice practice XD

  • @21N42Photo
    @21N42Photo Před 5 lety +50

    Dude this is so well done. Excellent teaching. Thank you. I would really enjoy a lesson 1, 2, 3 and so on. The exercise suggestions is gold.
    I need that to know how to get better.
    Thank you

  • @Savpai
    @Savpai Před 5 lety +2

    Probably the best Smash guide I've encountered so far, thanks for making this! This really was informative and helpful.

  • @DrUrtok
    @DrUrtok Před 5 lety

    Thanks a lot dude, i'm doing this routine daily for like a few days now and i'm really feeling the improvement every time. There's no better training guide than this. It's quick, simple and effective, thanks again!

  • @botrken3456
    @botrken3456 Před 4 lety +15

    The best smash teacher for free

  • @josh-do9kq
    @josh-do9kq Před 5 lety +309

    okay so ultimate is my first real smash game, i played on the 3ds but it really did not count, and i am getting destroyed in ultimate and the whole time i think to myself i must be missing something... in high level game-play they move so fast, and i had no clue what i was missing, then this video showed up on my feed and low and behold the missing stuff i needed... so now like one punch man... 100 short hops.... then 100 short hops quick falls, then 100 short hops quick falls aerial's

    • @MissAshley42
      @MissAshley42 Před 5 lety +67

      Just be sure to stop before all of your hair falls out. Smash ain't worth that.

    • @stickjohnny
      @stickjohnny Před 5 lety +18

      Don't forget the 10 mile run.

    • @ksmuffin
      @ksmuffin Před 5 lety +17

      Movement is nothing without a purpose. Sure the dashing is good but understand why players do it. That's more important than anything, imo

    • @rishabhanand4973
      @rishabhanand4973 Před 5 lety +12

      @@ksmuffin you need both. you can get a good understanding of why players do stuff just by watching pro matches. however, knowing why you should use a certain tool means nothing if you can't use that tool.

    • @ksmuffin
      @ksmuffin Před 5 lety +3

      @@rishabhanand4973 yeah you basically just re worded what I said.. lmao

  • @jj5jj5
    @jj5jj5 Před 5 lety +1

    By far the most helpful tutorial on short hop fast fall aerials I've found. Thanks man.

  • @twitchster77
    @twitchster77 Před 2 lety +1

    Okay...this video was fantastic! Even after just 30 minutes of practicing I'm already feeling better. Can't wait to see how much more natural this all feels after a couple of weeks of daily practice!
    Thanks a ton for this vid man!

  • @captainhook5939
    @captainhook5939 Před 5 lety +6

    This is quite helpful. I find it a LOT easier to do consistent short hops with a GameCube controller than the Joycons!

  • @justsomejojo
    @justsomejojo Před 5 lety +9

    Awesome video! I've been alternating lamenting and practicing, because I HAD THAT SHIT DOWN in Smash4. I went through the same training. But I didn't know about differing jump speeds and gimped myself by using my main Ganondorf for practice. Now am back to square one because 3 frames are insane...

    • @sentsuvi3
      @sentsuvi3 Před 3 lety +1

      Fr I can’t get that shit down, 3 frames are you kidding me? (Your probably got it down by now)

  • @andrewstafford123
    @andrewstafford123 Před 5 lety +2

    Seriously, one of your videos taught me more than 100 other videos. You’re a natural teacher. Nice job.

  • @allisonfields3108
    @allisonfields3108 Před 4 lety

    Thank you for the controller cam. I feel like all smash videos are sort of out of my grasp, using terms I don't understand yet. I was able to understand and improve significantly since you had the controller in the top left.

  • @HappyRatKaiser
    @HappyRatKaiser Před 5 lety +15

    Completely new to Smash, and was finding movement absolutely bewildering. This is exactly what I needed. Good stuff, consider me subscribed!

  • @wiispeed03
    @wiispeed03 Před 5 lety +114

    Amazing tutorial, keep it up!
    If I had a suggestion, maybe a video covering out of shield options in more depth? I know this differs from character to character, but it would be really helpful to me and I'm guessing a lot of other players as well.

    • @jacoblindsey6888
      @jacoblindsey6888 Před 5 lety +2

      Nair, up smash, up B, jump away are the most common options for OOS

  • @fleps1506
    @fleps1506 Před 5 lety +1

    out of all guides i watched to get better this is the best of all. earned a like and sub for it, thx dude

  • @ruizroy6
    @ruizroy6 Před 5 lety +1

    i'm hella new, this is my first smash game (bought it 2 days ago) and i have been searching a video like this, THANK YOU! i have watched videos where they say "yeah you can jump, attack, tilt attack so on and so on" but they don't show you how to do it they just say it, i feel that these type of thing is important to show. Great video!

  • @nathanmendes3552
    @nathanmendes3552 Před 5 lety +5

    I can already feel the carpal tunnel kicking in haha

  • @Kizunoto
    @Kizunoto Před 3 lety +4

    I use pro controller... I don’t see a lot of guides that use the pro controller, and I’m pretty new to the game the gamecube controller isn’t something I’m familiar with, but here’s how I consistently short hop!
    So basically when you set two buttons to jump, and press the two buttons/trigger at the same time, you short hop!
    I main Cloud, so my neutral is just... ✨AERIAL✨ and I wanted to get better, so I watched a cloud main who I consider the best in the world, “Sparg0” he short hop -> bairs a LOT! So what I’m comfortable with is setting the buttons “X” and “Y” to jump and just pressing them at the same time, then back airing
    Hopefully this helps for my fellow Pro controller kings/queens 😎

  • @egoitzsanz4567
    @egoitzsanz4567 Před 5 lety

    Best ultimate video for beginners (and not so beginners) that I have seen from ultimate.
    Will do that for 30 times in a row every day for a month for sure.

  • @colinhoeg4728
    @colinhoeg4728 Před 5 lety

    Watched this when you originally released it. Came up as a reccomendem. Clicked on it just to look back on it. Movement on this level was the one thing holding my play back. Since watching this tutorial I got my wolf into elite smash and have stayed elite with ease. Without your excellent tutorial I dont think I wouldve had and maintained my success. Thank sir👍

  • @maxell149
    @maxell149 Před 5 lety +6

    Finally someone with an actual how to do movement on Smash

  • @ohitsphil1515
    @ohitsphil1515 Před 5 lety +6

    Jtails i know I’m late but awesome tutorial

  • @psi_psi
    @psi_psi Před 3 lety +2

    Dude holy shit with this video i actually improved! Im very grateful for you to really take time and make something so well done.

  • @MichaelLia
    @MichaelLia Před 5 lety

    This is exactly what I was searching for! Thank You. I will practice religiously now.

  • @EddyVinck
    @EddyVinck Před 5 lety +3

    Good training video, thanks!
    [edit]
    Just did 53 consecutive short hop fast falls 🙌

  • @IGamingStation
    @IGamingStation Před 5 lety +3

    This guy's movement is so fluid that you can see the veins pop out from his hands.

  • @alecpaulson2502
    @alecpaulson2502 Před 5 lety +1

    Probably the most helpful smash video I've seen to elevate my game to the next level

  • @bigboss9150
    @bigboss9150 Před 5 lety

    This is a GREAT tutorial! The key is to keep practicing. Even if it takes weeks, we just got to keep at it. Looking forward to improving my skills!

  • @justsomeguywitharedeyes3472

    Yo Jtails what's your control scheme trying to find something new and yours looks so fluid. Great tutorial by the way.

  • @saltysaltmaker3848
    @saltysaltmaker3848 Před 5 lety +42

    Short hopping reliably whilst moving is kinda hard.
    Doing so online whilst someone's trying to stab me is even harder.
    Still, that's what practicing is for, I'm already a little better at non-A shorthops.
    Thanks for the tutorial.

  • @ShinobuX3
    @ShinobuX3 Před 5 lety +2

    Very helpful! this is actually the best movement guide so far. Hope you do more in the future with drills!

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 5 lety

      Will 100% be keeping it up, thank you for watching!

  • @rick2402
    @rick2402 Před 5 lety

    never thought that walking could be useful. i rarely see vods of people doing that in a match, maybe im just not looking hard enough? anyways, the controller cam was SUCH a good call. great video

  • @xXSupahNinja
    @xXSupahNinja Před 5 lety +18

    No one talks about this yet it’s so important to know.

  • @NoobRealms
    @NoobRealms Před 5 lety +21

    Jtails can you make a check list for us? i know you said
    30 Short hops
    30 Fast fall Short hops
    30 Short hop fast fall aerials
    30 Dashing Short hops
    30 Dashing short hops aerials / rising aerials

  • @markduccini
    @markduccini Před rokem

    Thnx for the help my dude!! 🙂 I follow this vid to a T whenever I play and I has helped me so much all these years later 🙂

  • @tygerrailgun7400
    @tygerrailgun7400 Před 5 lety +2

    This video is fucking fantastic I’ve been looking for content like this as I’m brand new to smash.

  • @PikaPetey
    @PikaPetey Před 4 lety +12

    looing at what i'd need to learn in order to get better at smash..... i don't even have a pro controller, i just use the switch with joycons attached. and...uh... i guess i'll just accept my gpa will always be 100,000 for any character i play.

  • @hivesteel
    @hivesteel Před 5 lety +2

    Hi Jtails, what do you think about the new 2.0 short hop mechanic. I guess it can be more consistent at all levels of play, but I'm not sure. Will you switch over to shoulder+x/y for short hop, which I guess will be 100% consistent ?

  • @De_La_Soto
    @De_La_Soto Před 5 lety +2

    Brilliant tutorial. I just recently got the game and have a lot of catching up to do, so I was lucky to stumble upon you channel. Best believe I'm Smashing that subscribe button!

  • @Marikyuun
    @Marikyuun Před 5 lety +2

    My fingers hurt just from watching LMAO
    Thank you for this tutorial! Can't wait to get this game

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 5 lety

      Hahahha same tbh
      I hope to help you out with more guides after you get the game! :)

  • @Mechassault_Man
    @Mechassault_Man Před 5 lety +3

    Wait you do lessons?!
    I need to try that when/if I get my Switch.

  • @Erstadan
    @Erstadan Před 5 lety +3

    I like the description of the video a lot

  • @tap5263
    @tap5263 Před 5 lety +1

    I constantly used the rising aerials in ultimate diddnt in 4 but the new mechanic made me use it more so now I’m really rusty with shorthopping now I’m doing this to get out of that habit so thanks!!

  • @bnbronstein
    @bnbronstein Před 5 lety +1

    This was exactly the video I needed to up my game, instant sub after watching, thanks!

  • @bloq1005
    @bloq1005 Před 4 lety +5

    Pressing X and Y at the same time will let you shorthop without attacking for anyone struggling.

    • @nightraven5760
      @nightraven5760 Před 4 lety +1

      You're a legend

    • @jay7081
      @jay7081 Před 4 lety

      Is it still the same as in the vid?@Bloq

    • @shanemiller1182
      @shanemiller1182 Před 4 lety

      You can also set a different button to jump if you don’t want to use x and y. I personally use y and zr

  • @fyng.1582
    @fyng.1582 Před 5 lety +21

    Man, watching his hands during this... My hands already feel tired if I play Smash for an hour or more, and this looks WAY more strenuous. It's actually kind of intimidating.

    • @jo54763
      @jo54763 Před 5 lety +3

      After learning the tech in melee... It's not about how hard you press things or how fast you flick the controls, it's all about execution and timing. Whenever you feel like your hands are getting tired, take a break and try to assess which actions make your hand tired in that way, and try to minimize the stress on your hand with those actions. Hope this helps!

    • @jo54763
      @jo54763 Před 5 lety +1

      (as an example wavedashing, while not a big thing in Ultimate, was huge in melee. Pressing the triggers made my whole hand tired from gripping the controller too hard, so I learned to press the gamecube shoulder buttons from the edge of the trigger and loosened up my hand while doing so!)

    • @fasagalag
      @fasagalag Před 5 lety +5

      Be relaxed when gripping and you'll be fine. Melee people only complain about hurt hands because execution is absurd. Imagine for every tech he demonstrates there's an equivalent that needs 1-3 more inputs depending on what character you use (spacies are much more tech heavy).

    • @jo54763
      @jo54763 Před 5 lety +1

      @@fasagalag melee falco murdered my hands, can't imagine what would happen if I picked up fox loool

    • @fasagalag
      @fasagalag Před 5 lety

      Justin Ok as someone who can play both, melee fox is significantly faster. Ive never hurt my hands before fox lol.

  • @reddemon8916
    @reddemon8916 Před 5 lety +1

    Finally a video where I can see which buttons the player is pressing. I have to say that I am new to the smash series and recently I only played vs friends local and the spirit adventure... and I didn’t you can roll XD
    Good vid

  • @maryballesteros2045
    @maryballesteros2045 Před 3 lety

    I'm so glad you used a cam, all the other tutorials are not making any sense if I can't visualize it first

  • @justinmullins1112
    @justinmullins1112 Před 5 lety +3

    Huh, 3 frames? That seems a pretty tight window. Makes sense though, since that’s right before the jump squat ends.

  • @danield8632
    @danield8632 Před 4 lety +5

    Short Hop - 30 times
    Short Hop -> Fast Fall - 30 times
    Short Hop -> Falling attack & Rising attack - 50 times
    each (optional, do it if your main's combos require it)
    Short Hop -> Fast Falling -> Falling attack & Rising attack - 50 times
    each
    Short Hop -> Fast Fall whilst moving - 30 times.
    Short Hop -> Falling attack & Rising attack moving - 50 times
    each (also optional)
    Short Hop - Fast Fall -> Falling attack & Rising attack while moving - 50 times
    each
    if you can't do them in a row, just do it x100 the original amount. ex 30 times in a row -> 300 times total
    Something I found useful is to treat this like you would any other muscle. You don't want to get stuck at short hops and call it a day. Work on trying to do all of these techniques. He never said to do one. Do them all to the best of your ability.
    Its like how when you can't do a pull up, you don't just try to do one pull up a day and give up. You work out other parts of your arms where you are lacking and eventually you get better not only in other parts, but in the pull ups you were trying to get stronger at. Sorry if its hard to understand, just know that you need to work on all of the exercises to get better at short hops in general.

    • @Tee_Wilson
      @Tee_Wilson Před 4 lety

      Thx I will try this..

    • @levibest2409
      @levibest2409 Před 4 lety

      Oh wow ok! I was struggling trying to get past 8 short hops and I just go to 30 I’m proud even though that progress is very minor..

  • @bobbyrichardson9593
    @bobbyrichardson9593 Před 5 lety +1

    This is a really good smash movement video . Everything I wanted to know .

  • @MrDTekisOnline
    @MrDTekisOnline Před 5 lety +2

    Great content. Love the controller cam and your happy well spoken manner :) Amazing video and you earned yourself a new subscriber :) Merry Christmas

  • @illusive_abyss2107
    @illusive_abyss2107 Před 5 lety +6

    Sometimes even when i jump out of my shield i get killed by a f smash or a fair

    • @albertramirez1631
      @albertramirez1631 Před 5 lety +2

      make those reads fam

    • @billnue104
      @billnue104 Před 5 lety +2

      Hitboxes

    • @Marcusjnmc
      @Marcusjnmc Před 5 lety +1

      shield isn't the best option in this game in general, it's often better to throw a fast retreating aerial than to shield when you feel pressured, you jump out and attack or use a fast special when opponent whiffs on your shield to punish, or jump back out of shield to reposition when your op can't punish it/you read they're running in for grab

  • @brocmt
    @brocmt Před 5 lety +34

    From what I've read, you'll be at peak recovery lag at 6 rolls, but I'm not sure how long or what refreshes your roll end-lag.

    • @ricky4379
      @ricky4379 Před 5 lety +3

      brocmt thats what I’m also trying to find out

    • @maxwellbell9996
      @maxwellbell9996 Před 5 lety +1

      Ricky I’m pretty sure it’s like the stale moves. So if you attack or do something else I think the lag goes away

    • @zetaman8924
      @zetaman8924 Před 5 lety +6

      Maxwell Bell no it’s a timer

    • @Hayds126
      @Hayds126 Před 5 lety

      I think it recharges slowly like shield

  • @chiliandcornbread09
    @chiliandcornbread09 Před 4 lety

    I use your 30 times perfectly in a row method for everything now it’s honestly really conducive to learning thank you

  • @kevinrivera9917
    @kevinrivera9917 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for the heads up! My Fox was looking less than crispy since launch, now I know how to make him just a bit better.

  • @ianzamudio411
    @ianzamudio411 Před 5 lety +10

    I keep having trouble with short hopping, i can usually get about 4-5 in a row before doing a full hop (im using a gamecube controller btw) so i dont really know how to keep it going, as it gets sorta fustrating when attempting it and constantly getting full hops

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 5 lety +2

      You just have to be more consistent, it isn't the controller. My advice is to try performing it more slowly so that you can be more consistent. Then speed up as you get more comfortable. If you try and go too fast you're more likely to mess up. Honestly it's just practice and this stuff isn't easy.

    • @Blaze8798
      @Blaze8798 Před 5 lety +4

      I've heard multiple times that it helps to think about releasing the button fast rather then pressing it fast, trying to quickly slide your finger across and off the jump button is another way to try doing it

    • @salamander558
      @salamander558 Před 5 lety

      @@Blaze8798 I agree, by sliding is easier to do it more consistently.

    • @LeeJayBird21
      @LeeJayBird21 Před 5 lety

      Blue Bluish Just remember that to perform a short hop you have to release the jump button quickly rather than pressing it quickly. Think of it like touching a hot stove. As soon as your finger presses on it, you jerk it back.

    • @ParisChristianne
      @ParisChristianne Před 5 lety +1

      I find that resting the tip of your thumb on the very bottom of X and then kinda pulling down while pressing so the button really "clicks" is the best way.

  • @Kaittycat
    @Kaittycat Před 5 lety +34

    Feels really hard to short hop with the joycons

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 5 lety +24

      Oh yeah :/ with the joycons I think that it's going to be a bit harder, I'd recommend a pro controller maybe if you can save up for one!

    • @Kaittycat
      @Kaittycat Před 5 lety +16

      ​@@JulesTrades I got a pro controller for Christmas and within a few minutes I'm able to do 30+ consecutive shorthop fastfalls with ease! I still gotta work on the aerial muscle memory but the difference is night and day. By the way, I really appreciate the reply and content, thanks for doing what you do💜

    • @LeeJayBird21
      @LeeJayBird21 Před 5 lety +7

      Kaittycat Pro Controller is definitely the way to go. Although I didn't find the Joy Cons all that bad. The buttons are fine but the sticks are pretty bad.

    • @LastStar007
      @LastStar007 Před 5 lety +5

      @@LeeJayBird21 I've had the opposite problem. Sticks feel fine to me but trying to short hop on those tiny buttons is fucking bonkers. Never mind short hopping on the triggers. I know I need to learn it but damn is it hard.

    • @kvltizt
      @kvltizt Před 5 lety

      @@LeeJayBird21 I flub directional Bs all the time on joycons because of the sticks lol

  • @Shevchenko2099
    @Shevchenko2099 Před 4 lety +2

    improved considerably by watching and putting in practice Jtails advises, great teacher

  • @Riac007
    @Riac007 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for the help I'll be sure to keep coming back here and re-watching until I have it master

  • @bobwilliams8940
    @bobwilliams8940 Před 5 lety +63

    You never went over why using x+a to short hop attack is bad. Im guessing that its because you cant control when the attack comes out during your jump?

    • @jaden5843
      @jaden5843 Před 5 lety +43

      He did cover it, he just referred to them as rising aerials

    • @SilentAsugi
      @SilentAsugi Před 5 lety +12

      Also, using that X+A combo makes the attack do less damage compare to a normal aerials

    • @bobwilliams8940
      @bobwilliams8940 Před 5 lety +6

      MILES ASUGI really? Damn thanks dude i didnt know that

    • @omsa
      @omsa Před 5 lety +8

      @@SilentAsugi for real? Wtf. If this is true then they REALLY need to add the ability to turn this off. This is just another reason to add that on top of the huge list of other reasons

    • @IndraX77
      @IndraX77 Před 5 lety +87

      @@omsa Don't be alarmed bros. Any short hop aerial does less damage than a full hop aerial. It's not just x+a aerials.

  • @glibglab1751
    @glibglab1751 Před 5 lety +3

    I was able to short hop really easily and consistently in smash 4 but i cant in ultimate could it be because i have a different controller

    • @sb33doeznugget32
      @sb33doeznugget32 Před 5 lety +3

      papa jho same. Pretty sure it’s only because if the reduced jumpsquat (everyone’s is 3 frames now). I suppose it’s just something we’ll have to get used to

    • @alessandraduffie3543
      @alessandraduffie3543 Před 5 lety

      Jump squats are shorter. As a result, the timing window is much shorter. Just keep practicing. Use slowmo in training if you need to

    • @sb33doeznugget32
      @sb33doeznugget32 Před 5 lety

      Alessandra Duffie do you think controllers affect this in any way? I only have joy-cons for now, and i’m not sure if the responsiveness is causing a more difficult short hop

    • @alessandraduffie3543
      @alessandraduffie3543 Před 5 lety +1

      sB33doez nugget absolutely. I find the only way I can reliably short hop on the joycons is by binding jump to the Right bumper and placing my finger on the far edge of it and sliding my finger off the edge.

    • @Marcusjnmc
      @Marcusjnmc Před 5 lety +1

      @@sb33doeznugget32 if anything it seems joycons have cases where they're more responsive than gcc with adapter , inputs all around are different to smash 4, there's some carry over but everyone needs to learn how to move in the new engine, even the pros have been flubbing some things due to unhelpful muscle memory + changes to how & when inputs register

  • @awesomemanlikeaboss
    @awesomemanlikeaboss Před 3 lety +1

    This is still an amazing video for people who are trying to get better at the game but aren't naturals when it comes to speed play. Thank you!

  • @LucOfLegends
    @LucOfLegends Před 5 lety

    Thank you soooooooooo much for this. I always see other tell what to practice when I already know what, you're also giving a great way of how to practice the stuff! Thanks so much!

  • @deltaflowers5365
    @deltaflowers5365 Před 5 lety +8

    Just asking, but was this guide made after years of research?

  • @kylecouture1917
    @kylecouture1917 Před 5 lety +12

    I really struggle to short hop in this game. I had no problem in smash 4. And it seems harder with certain characters like falco.

    • @CaptainDCap
      @CaptainDCap Před 5 lety +7

      This is because a short hop requires you to let go of the jump button before the 'Jumpsquat' ends, which is the frames while your character is squatting before the jump. In Ultimate, all jumpsquats have been buffed to finish after 3 frames, meaning the window for a short hop has been made really tight.

    • @ac1dfoxdie716
      @ac1dfoxdie716 Před 5 lety +1

      Kyle Couture press the jump button and attack button at the same time . It’s an auto short hop attack with what ever direction you use

    • @LeeJayBird21
      @LeeJayBird21 Před 5 lety +1

      Lanier Pasha But you don't always want to attack with your short hop or sometimes it's better to delay your short hop aerial so you can hit shorter characters or hit just the first hit of a multihit move. It's necessary to learn short hopping by itself.

  • @mellowblossom9111
    @mellowblossom9111 Před 5 lety

    Thank you so much for this important video !! Well done. Really needed this one

  • @GenerallyBananas
    @GenerallyBananas Před 5 lety

    Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I've been playing for 10 days and after 1 or two hours with the excercises you detailed here I already feel much more confident in my movement! I'll be keeping this up over ganuary and hope to take part in a small local tournament in february (just for fun)

  • @IceeSwirl
    @IceeSwirl Před 5 lety +30

    Spent like 30 minutes trying to do 30 shorthops in a row with my Gamecube controller. Couldn't do it. Most I got was like 12. Switched to my Pro Controller and did it within a few minutes.

    • @LeeJayBird21
      @LeeJayBird21 Před 5 lety +2

      Gage Middaugh Yeah the only advantage a GC controller has is slightly less input delay. So Pro Controller is better unless you're trying to win tournaments.

    • @leggolem1382
      @leggolem1382 Před 5 lety +3

      @@LeeJayBird21 I don't think it is true the GC controller has less input delay than Pro Controller. There have been a lot of mixed results in videos, but I haven't seen someone test wired Pro Controller vs GC Controller while the Wired only Pro Controller setting in the Switch menu is turned on. I have heard multiple reports of the GC controller actually having more delay than the Pro Controller, even when Pro is wireless.

    • @eugenides04
      @eugenides04 Před 5 lety +8

      @@LeeJayBird21 The actual only two potential advantages the GC controller has are the octagonally gated analogues (makes it easier to hit cardinals/intercardinals consistently), and that it's familiar to veteran players. Outside of that, the L/R buttons are slightly inferior due to changes in how the Switch reads them, and testing does seem to show that wired connections actually have slightly slower latency than wireless. (Inputs registering a frame faster on wireless about 60% of the time.)

    • @Dmahmoud17
      @Dmahmoud17 Před 5 lety

      @@LeeJayBird21 its true pro controller is better imo, veterans have just been using Gamecube for so many years they wont switch even tho its the most delay

    • @M1sterE321
      @M1sterE321 Před 5 lety

      @@hotaru-3 I can do SH's indefinitely with a GC controller. It's a matter of experience. But pro controller is also tournament-viable. Use what feels best.

  • @zam_likes_cats
    @zam_likes_cats Před 5 lety +3

    Do you use the C-stick or the A button for aerials?

    • @benjoleo
      @benjoleo Před 5 lety +2

      Zamilo91 I would recommend the A button. C stick has some weird problems with buffering aerials in this game that will definitely make you throw out the wrong move sometimes. If you use a button you don’t have to worry about that

    • @huesik2206
      @huesik2206 Před 5 lety +13

      Zamilo91 combination of both. If you only use one of them you are a bit limited to what you can do so its a good idea to do a mix of both. For example the rising aerials is really easy to do with jump+a but not jump+cstick.

    • @hahahaani
      @hahahaani Před 5 lety +3

      I find using the c stick useful for fastfalling a short hop u air

    • @george-lz2jo
      @george-lz2jo Před 5 lety +1

      c stick nairs are basically impossible to be consistent in this game, so using jump+a as well as the c-stick is the best option

  • @kidkouga92
    @kidkouga92 Před 5 lety +1

    It's been 2 weeks since i've watched this and i feel FANTASTIC!!

    • @JulesTrades
      @JulesTrades  Před 5 lety

      How's the movement been coming along?

  • @jacobtrahan1993
    @jacobtrahan1993 Před 5 lety +1

    Yes I love drills to run! You're seriously the best

  • @miguelcastro2164
    @miguelcastro2164 Před 5 lety +28

    Jtails do a video where we can get good gamecube controllers I seen some on Amazon for 300 bucks like wtf

    • @ThePurpleInfinity
      @ThePurpleInfinity Před 5 lety +13

      Miguel Castro just buy one from Gamestop.

    • @chaseblackstone8749
      @chaseblackstone8749 Před 5 lety +2

      CardiBeatdown exactly what i was going to say

    • @Lagow_EX
      @Lagow_EX Před 5 lety +6

      He cant be too serious. He must have been prioritizing a reply from Jtails instead of actually wanting an answer. I just got my PowerA Wired GC for 30 bucks

    • @DogratDavis
      @DogratDavis Před 5 lety +35

      Don't worry buddy
      I'll sell you one for $250

    • @Dark0neone
      @Dark0neone Před 5 lety +8

      Just own a GC controller lol. what a casual

  • @azure_wraith
    @azure_wraith Před 5 lety +6

    No matter what I do, I can't seem to get the short hop consistantly. Not only that, but it seems kinda impossible for me to then input A and a direction, then press down after. If I try to use y for jump and have part of my thumb on A, then I end up hitting A so early after jump that I get the rising ariel. I'm not sure what to do. I feel as though my finger just can't excute the short hop like I'm just pressing another button. It tends to fail when I do short hops one after another. If someone could help it would be much appreciated.

    • @azure_wraith
      @azure_wraith Před 5 lety

      I don't know if it's because I'm used to my finger being directly on the buttons, and then pressing it in. If a go for a short hop ariel, I end up pressing the button harder as my hands are trying to move quickly to get the inputs in on time. I'm so confused on what I should be trying to do.

    • @BBCjer
      @BBCjer Před 5 lety

      @@azure_wraith use tilt stick for the aerials

    • @seannolan872
      @seannolan872 Před 5 lety +2

      ZoraOfTime sounds like you just gotta chill out. You have longer than you think to push your aerial on a shorthop. Practise just shorthopping without aerials and fast falling until you're more comfortable

    • @azure_wraith
      @azure_wraith Před 5 lety

      Alright, I won't focus on ariels at first. However, is there any way of positioning my finger that will make it easier for short hops while still making it somewhat comfortable? Maybe my issue with that is because I have small hands. Thank you for helping me.

    • @BBCjer
      @BBCjer Před 5 lety

      @@azure_wraith What controller do you play with?

  • @kamreniguess7051
    @kamreniguess7051 Před 5 lety

    In pass smash games I've never knew any other way to short jump besides using the main joystick. But when I started playing ultimate I had to switch to my GameCube control for everything to feel normal this helps me a lot glad I found it

  • @Thrallking
    @Thrallking Před 5 lety +2

    This is good shit. I totally forgot to practice shorthop rising aerials and that would be a huge disadvantage.

  • @joeybelasco
    @joeybelasco Před 5 lety +1

    Yo this video was amazing. I'm subscribing in hopes of more smash drills

  • @poro
    @poro Před 5 lety +1

    Very inspiring video. Thanks for everything, cheers from Italy!

  • @nothingmajestic
    @nothingmajestic Před 5 lety +1

    Awesome tips my dude! I practice a lot of this already (im kinda new to smash also)but I dont give my self a set amount, its a really good idea! What I do usually is practice the short hop fast fall while im waiting for my match to que in online.

  • @numberjuaanctr420
    @numberjuaanctr420 Před 5 lety

    I’ve missed you!! You helped me in DBFighters and now you picked up smash!? Thank goodness I love your content