Jordan Peterson on Stoicism: Building a Foundation for Personal Growth
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- In this video, Dr. Peterson discusses the philosophical teachings of stoicism.
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The power of Stoicism lies in its ability to fortify our character so we can withstand adversities.
Due to the amazing ability of Stoicism to straighten out people's lives and get their emotional reactions under control, it became the basis of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which as I understand it is a highly successful form of therapy.
Yes that’s true Martin Seligmann and others like Albert Ellis distilled stoicism Into the positive psychology movement that values resilience in front of obstacles and CBT is a variant of that discipline . It’s a it like western meditation with Socrates and Marcus Aurelius and Epitectilus and Seneca the younger as guides.
Adopting Stoicism has been a fantastic reference point for my life. I am still not an expert but my life is much better from reading the Stoics
Happy to hear this, over the last 6 months I have been diving into philosophy. Mostly at a surface level during intro courses in college but it has peaked my interest. I have been looking for a sort of philosophy for the warrior class, as I am a retired paratrooper. Stoicism seems to be the closest thing I have found.
What a radical idea...not oversharing.
You are not going to fix the bullies, better chance at fixing yourself...
Absolutely.
The best way to fix the world's problems is not to fix everyone else's problems, but we all fix our own
Certainly not, but you can teach them lessons
Your colleague John Vervaeke summarized stoicism perfectly, IMO, as the practice of separating event from meaning. Because something happens and you feel a certain way about it, doesn't mean there is any lasting significance to it. Also a practice in presence/mindfulness and emotional regulation. I see it as a foundational framework for building an effective and meaningful life. Seems to me right in line with your teachings.
exactly this. Stoicism goes well with what Peterson teaches, though it's a bit too passive in some ways and if taken to extremes it can be a disaster. Watch a movie called Dogville if you want to see what I mean.
He needs to listen to Marcus Aurelius Antonino "Meditations" , Epictetus and listen to Seneca the younger letters to learn a bit.
Keep fighting the good fight Jordan Peterson! 🔥🔥🔥💀
Life is a struggle. Endure hardships as a way to overcome what makes you weaker to further pursue life.
You are your own strength and live well with the strength you have and build it up for an even greater tomorrow
That is so sad to have been humiliated and abused so much in hs to now still fantasizing in the worst way about killing them. This happened when my father did this to me, i had to eventually disown him and carry on life never ever thinking or caring about getting back together with him so he can harass and bully me again. Imagine having the bully be your own parent who non stop tries to humuliate you. The best cure is focus on self improvement and do not ruminate on these people or else you give them power and worse you betray yourself by becoming homicdal and violent in thought. They want you to become something your not. It motivates me every day to become better. Self improvement is the best revenge
I had an older brother like this and the same thoughts. It was made worse because I idolised him but because he was quite older than me he left home early. When he returned, dad treated him like the prodigal son, but he was a wa.. to everyone, even dad. Dad forgets all that.😂😂
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤Much Agape love from Wa state & God who really does love you!
The other avenue is suicidal! I'm glad you did neither.
@@Terri_Hugs ya self deletion or deletion from self. I chose the latter, where they are gone from me. Peterson is right though a part of getting targeted has to do with flaws of yourself, I'm autistic, highly agreeable due to social phobia, quite too trusting and forgiving socially, and had a bad habit of thinking just because I thought a certain way someone else does too. I thought if I showed my dad constant trust and appease him his constant bullying covettly would stop, it never did, it just got worse until it evolved into power games. I had to and still have to make myself better to learn from it
I just remember how JB Peterson (God, he deserves the best) said: ‘Stip talking to people who aren’t listening to you and start watching them instead.’ That was a WOW. Like someone from this stoicism page said to me to remember who you are. He cited this sentence which I unfortunately use every day but yeah no they won’t get it: ‘I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.’ Mind blowing.
Jordan tells more in 3 minutes what others cannot tell in 3 hours.
I've come to like Mr Jordan Peterson. I admit that I was quite weary of him at first. then I could see a very successful person and a talker and writer, motivator, etc... thank you
You either mean *wary* or *leery.* Weary means tired. Sorry, but I'm a writer and I see this one all the time.
You should do an interview with Ryan Holiday
I've had several people from HS, who did not treat me well then, apologize to me in random situations. They felt humiliated by their own selfishness and cruelty at a time in life where most of us are selfish and cruel to someone below us.
It would be good for him to realize that people do sometimes grow up and change, are sad about their past behavior, and want to make some small reparation, like an apology.
Absolutely agree
I have been beating myself up most of my life for calling a girl ugly 40 something years ago. I was 15, she was slightly younger and bugged the hell out of me to go out with her, and finally she fronted me and says " why won't you go out with me. " I said she was too f.....ugly, which got rid of her but boy was she upset. I saw her in a local supermarket a couple of years ago and spoke to her. She didn't reply, just grabbed her husband and disappeared. I'm still regretful, but I think it's time for her to let go. I'm not that great. 😂
@@redtobertshateshandles If you see her again, open with an apology, or maybe even send her a brief note in the mail. We were all cruel to someone as kids because kids are not very civilized and are barbarians. I have to say that it was important for me to hear the people who apologized to me and for me to forgive them. It probably taught me more than it taught them.
Yes, I know what you mean. I got bullied the hell out of being a short skinny kid. My main bully had a really terrible violent father. And being a smartarse kid meant I didn't take sh.. I've finally let it go.
@@redtobertshateshandles that is absolutely brutal lol, as someone else here said, send her a letter or something dude, but you probably scarred her for life.
Thank you 💯 ...
Thank you!
Living your life in such a way that it reflects your core, biblical beliefs.
Like stoning people to death? Like human sacrifice for forgiveness? Like slavery? Like shunning rational and critical thinking?
stoicism teaches in the advsary of bullies for example than if you remain content and confident of yourself and ur internal environment what ever those bullie say to you truely hold now power over you, they are the ones with the issues that you have no control over, but you can control your own emotions and thinking towards it so worry about yourself and not what they think i.e things you cant control dont bother any energy with. defend urself when you need to but if you can smirk walk away and not give a shit what they say or think your much more stronger than they are
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I found it made a place in me I could not even go, let allone dwell. The good lead is better to follow, than to dwell in that wich is founded in negativity. Pushing the journey to its final end....
Stoicism is a safe play. The careful accumulation of data. Especially at first glance.
Yes. But forming an opinion of it is FAR easier than practicing it.
Always bringing new perspectives to age old topics. Well done
Not really mate, more often than not he is reiterating old ideas. Nothing ground breaking here whatsoever
@@hs0008 new perspectives doesnt mean its inherently groundbreaking. it can just be someone giving their 0.02$, which is a new perspective.
@@misterdeluxia5948 Well ok - there is nothing new OR groundbreaking here then 😂
@@hs0008 I disagree, I used to be leftist with great aversion towards religion, until I watched Jordan Peterson's Exodus series and completely blown away now by the depth and meaning in those old stories that I used to discard as primitive. If anything, Peterson does much better at explaining various concepts and the way he connects it all in his lectures is miles ahead of any other scholar or priest or whatever else exists out there.
📌Friends, a handful of Stoic quotes for you:
"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts."
-Marcus Aurelius
"First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do."
-Epictetus
"You become what you give your attention to."
-Epictetus
"We suffer more in imagination than in reality."
-Seneca
I wish you the best in life! 💜
One more from me :
It is not that life is short, It is that we waste a lot of It
in my opinion, stoicism is simply the beginning of the examined life and potentially the end.
Stoicism is kind of like an altruistic utilitarianism. You seek the good outcome of all human beings, but youre a good man that voluntarily suffers for the sake of the good for the people around you.
I see stoicism as the defining trait of a knight wearing rusted and weathered armor. the knight who has slept forever, and has awoken to pick up his duty once again, after wandering through countless battles of his life. the knight in shining armor is a knight without an innward appearance, it only shows what you want to see, not what you need to see.
You are the atlas to the people in your life. You are titan. you are the superman and batman to metropolis and gotham. the spiderman of NYC.
the important thing with Stoicism isnt just about seeing yourself as victimless and enduring all kinds of suffering without retaliation.
stoicism isnt about retaliation.
stoicism is about control over the things you do have control over. if you retaliate, do so with the intetional ending of protection. Do things with a purpose, with a rational nature.
stoicism, is about being almost Christ-Like. it is the definition of heroism.
to be steadfast, serious minded, to have a noble mind, and a good heart with pure intentions, to put your morals above all else. there is nothing more valuable than a balanced mind, there is nothing more painful, than a chaotic soul.
Fantastic comment, you summed it up so much better than I could have. There is no happy life without virtue.
Good
Stoicism was a way to begin reading philosophy for me, but as I grew older I realized that stoicism is attractive because it seems "masculine" and "tough". It's not good enough philosophy, and can be chopped into pieces using simple logical reasoning. I still read stoicism related texts, but only to understand the history, anthropology, and mindset of people of that age and why they came to such conclusions. How different individuals came to different conclusions from a lineage of teaching that evolved over time is too interesting to avoid. Makes me think.
You are confusing it with lower case stoicism. Stoicism the philosophy has nothing to do with masculine and tough. I am the farthest from that, being female, a masculine way of thought is uninteresting to me. Stoicism at its core, just teaches you that you only control yourself, your impressions, and your reactions. Everything else you have no control over. There is more of course but that I believe is the -core-
I think that is the allure of it, though, people imagining an unreactive man who's very resilient. I still read Stoic writers, it's very interesting. But it's gotten pop mostly because it gives young boys a masculine ideal to follow. Just an observation. @@bell5082
@@bell5082spot on
2:18 That’s the most stoic comment you can make
Yup there are things out of your control but do what you can that is within your control.
Stoicism is the greatest philosophy.
Nice
The Virtues of Stoicism are Temperance, Justice, Wisdom, and Courage. If that's not Mr P, I don't know who is! They also believe in God, but God as He has revealed Himself to them, not what someone else has told them .. just like Mr P. Because hey lettuce face it: we are all just bags of snakes and who can fully trust a bag of snakes?
Just read and Recommend meditations by Marcus Aurelius
The Enchiridion by Epictetus is also a very solid (and very easy to understand) read.
Will do. Have you ever read Senaca's letters? Just about to start them.
I've read book 2 and 3 of meditations. A translation by Donald Robertson. Changed my life.
@@adriantindall2629 I've got a gigantic book with all of Seneca's letters, read some & still plenty to go. Definitely a great read & you feel like Seneca is writing to you as your friend. There's also an essay by Seneca "On shortness of life"; that's the most profound text from him I've read, it's about 30 pages but the very first letter (only a page long) speaks of the same manner of things & is also very good
@@adriantindall2629 I'd recommend his "Verissimus" book as well... plenty of same lessons as in Meditation, but it's a graphic novel about Marcus' life. It's a fun & interesting read with plenty of great historical images & it gets you to know Marcus from his early age all the way to his death
That,s the real stoicism philosophy 😮
Best wishes for Tammy. I feel some connection. Just found out what it is. ❤
So, if I understood Dr. JP right, stoicism isn't the ideal coping mechanism to deal with trauma because it is not predicated on healing an individual, but rather it essentially helps one to keep a straight face in adversity, as in being manly.
Incorrect! Keep in mind he said he knows not much of the philosophy. Its not about keeping a stiff upper lip, and just being manly. That is lower case s stoic. Stoicism well I can't describe it all in just one YT comment. But its about using reason, and not letting your emotions control you. Not that you don't need to feel them, you have to in order to have a good life. It builds confidence, helps sort your emotions, focus on reason, and generally understand how wonderful life is. (keep in mind there is SO much more to it than this)
@@bell5082 Dr JP prefers being healed to being stoic because regardless of how strong you may be, you will eventually become overwhelmed and have a reaction.
Every man has his breaking point. Remember that.
Jesus Christ himself nearly forfeited the mandate he was tasked with.
Endure and thrive, and then ultimately die
I never thought of stoicism in relation to bullying. I thought it was more so about demeanor and how you choose to portray yourself during social situations. Usually dating coaches advise men to behave stoically when courting women because it's the appropriate traditional masculine temperament.
they advise lower case s stoic. Stoicism the philosophy is pretty different from the other. I recommend reading Meditations to get a look on what it is! A really good read.
Thank you, Mother Teresa!
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I'm am embarrassed when I was, the bully, even if provoked. Made me feel so much less of a man, contrary to the aggressive masculinity rush. Don't like that side of me. It's terrifying. There's no limit to the egos malevolent actions, even in thought.
Endurance is a sign of an Apostle and fruit of The Holy Spirit.
I performed the signs of an Apostle among you with all patience [endurance] and with heroic deeds, with wonders and miracles. 2 Cor. 12:12 Aramaic
But the fruits of The Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, sweetness, goodness, faith, 23Humility, endurance; the law is not set against these things. Gal. 5:22,23 Aramaic
People of all kinds please state if your christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics.
#1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral?
#2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child?
#3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others?
#4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it?
#5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?
It is funny ya know a lot of what Jordan says sounds a lot like what the great Greek stoics of the past have said like Marcus Aurelius or Epictetus. Quite parallel I’d say.
The hand movements going crazy tonight.
Hahaha Jordons a performance artist . If he didn’t speak, and painted his face white he might very well be mistaken as a mime .
@@classygary He should do shadow play with his hands. Especially when he tells stories. Imagine Cain and Abel or Peter Pan with shadow play by JP ;)
Do they have an "Oscar", for hand jestering? If so, I nominate Doc. J.P.. "So there you go". Peace.Hago.
3 to 4 generations deep of stolen or given personal data. The genie is out of the bottle.
I like Stoicism and I like the idea of implementing elements of it into my life. But, I don't believe immersing yourself into Stoicism completely is feasible nor viable in today's society.
Stoicism is going thru life peeking around corners.
Worst analogy I ever heard
Interesting, what makes you say that?
You can't fix bullies, but you can make them stop breathing.
Stoicism is standing up to bullies without becoming one.
@@JohnWilliams-channel If everyone made the bullies dead then we wouldn't have to deal with them at all. It wouldn't make us bullies ya goober😉. Just an exterminator taking care of pest animals👍
@@Ibeturhot42069 I think maybe that makes you worse than the bullies. Why use violence when disobedience will suffice?
@@JohnWilliams-channel violence is the only effective way bullies are dealt with. Try telling a bully "NO" and you will be punished severely. Killing evil creatures does not make us evil, It may make us monsters, but it's understandable that being a monster is preferable to being a punching bag (bitch).
You know people who aren't bullies have tragic deaths too. It's not funny and it's no answer.
Dr P. have you changed your opinion on the death penalty since you have become a Christian? I'm not sure if you identify as a "Christian," so I am stumbling with labels...
Jordan Peterson on stoicism is like Ali on Boxing or Bach on music
Jesus, please adjust the volume on these videos.
That was not a satisfying answer
I’d rather him say I need to study the stoics
Yeah I’m gonna do it I’m just being lazy and afraid :/ I honestly don’t know where to begin. I think I will just say fuck it and make a rough draft and stop avoiding the inevitable tiring mess it’s gonna be. There definitely is a piece of the puzzle missing. I see glimpses of it but it’s so fragile. “Anything but a whisper and it vanishes” the missing piece of the puzzle is very very fragile. It’s realized and even quicker it’s unrealized. To tell you the truth I’m thinking of it right now and my mind is begging me to move on to another though. And that’s been the conflict as of late.
I’ll just refer to the missing peace of the puzzle while beating around the bush. The missing piece is associated with my new updated definitions of the concepts of patients, sacrifice, compromise, tolerance.
But there are also Negative associations that hold me back:
Fear, inpatients, shame, new definition of sacrifice is true and understood but I can’t accept it. You know what I might as well start with the sacrifice
One example:
Old concept of true sacrifice: death is the biggest sacrifice and martyrdom is to have the at most praise
New sacrifice: without reward, without hope and one that needs to be performed time and time again without reward, hope and least of all certainty.
Well I’m gonna go find the full length version of this Because you lost me when you said the stoicism is a compromise fantasy. Because then you call it helpful? Is it a fantasy to be rooted out? Or is it helpful? Or is it a bit of both. See I just need elaboration on that. I don’t quite understand what your trying to say there about the stoicism near the end. I’ll watch it again when I can though. Maybe I missed something. Well goodnight lad. I need my beauty sleep. Gotta get stronk. Very very stronk and big mooscles. To end it off, I wish I didn’t know about you. Because it’s kinda hard to not be stat struck In the presence of the great JP. But lucky for you I’m not so good at having a filter for anyone. Gandalf the grey lookin bastard 😂😂😂
You don't know much about Stoicism? Your the picture of it
My tiny mind was thinking Peterson was having a Biden moment,Then My Man swings his argument around and brings the wisdom...now my mind is blown.
Optionally, take benzos and end up in a coma XD
I've slapped a number of men in the face throughout my life for disrespecting me, such as slapping my ass. I sued a guy who assaulted me in 2002. I won my case and received 40k in retribution.
The poylgamy family in Ottawa who hacked my laptop and stalk me will be accountable. A friend recommended I also file a claim with the law society of Upper Canada. This demostrates I have done everything in my power to get justice. Police report and my documentation will assist me if I hire a lawyer.
Im fighting a government assh*le and reject stoicism.
What does Stoicism have to do with any of that? No real Stoic would have ever done that.
Like most addicts, Jordan is definitely durable and persistent.
That's a weird analogy
Pos.
Stoicism, the art of being free mentally. Epictetus was a slave, so mental freedom was his only option. I see it as Jesus' true teachings, the way early Christians got it. Paul ruined Jesus' teachings unfortunately.
Getting a bit too much victim blaming here to be honest, bullying isn’t always justified or right and can be for completely unfair and uncontrollable reasons. Disappointed in this given some of his recent work.
this comment screams victim mentality.
I always wonder why people write comments like this lol... the world does not care u r disappointed lol
@@jennamatkowski2367not at all, in some cases people are bullied due to their incompetence in things they can control etc. but it isn’t a one size fits all topic, what about someone who’s disabled or neurodivergent?
And I’d say provoking analysis and discussion is more useful than being a useless drone and agree with everything your favourite influencer says - I’d say even dangerous
What do you mean? He's just saying you need to fix yourself after what they have done to you, you can't do nothing to them, can't fix them. He didn't say it's not bad what they're doing. Of course bullying is ugly and should not exist, it's obvious, he doesn't need to say it straight, we all know that. But it exists and victims need to fight to live normally after
@@jennamatkowski2367What's your problem Jenna? You're acting like you've got one, if you have nothing constructive to say better be quiet
@@karolinanie5946Look at my last reply, in some cases it is the right thing to ‘fix yourself’ due to your own incompetencies. However this is far too generalised to be accurate due to the fact that a lot of bullying doesn’t necessarily stem from something that is fixable, or a ‘fault’ whatsoever. A different approach has to be taken depending on the circumstances, this is too generalised.
“The quality of your thoughts depends on your happiness” - Me
“Everyone hasn’t enough information to not be in the final analysis… full of shit” ~ also Me
Very poor answer!
Instead of getting into geopolitics… it could be helpful to read more about Stoicism, isn’t it?!
Worst explanation I’ve ever seen! Just say you don’t know anything about stoicism! All you know is Sudo philosophy and christen mythology this is so frustrating. Stoicism is the cure the world needs now and it’s funny as a therapist you don’t even know about the origin of cbt or rationality
Einstein said, Imagination is the highest form of research, Heraclitus said everything is ONE. Thus take your traumas so called and turm these into valuable lession's for our benefit, take each humiliation's and gain new perceptipn's, each time your memmory brings this back up for your consideration, DONE DEAL.