When I come across something that seems to me to be a Universal Truth, like the one you posted above, it always pops up multiple times by different authors. Theres a ton, but here is one: “What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.” ― Mark Twain
@@JustDoIt12131 Now that's a fanaticism. Our "reality" is an Idea/Opinion/Perception and those should be dynamic. So I think we need to remind our self's - "Shut up and listen what others has to say, maybe you learn something".
@@ulewsjulius What I said is a fanaticism? It's precisely the opposite. Becoming unconditional about a philosophy is the definition of fanaticism and I'm saying you should never become unconditional. Maybe you misread my comment.
@@JustDoIt12131 Nah, you misread my comment. What I meant is - if your opinion is unconditional you starting to smell like a fanatic. For instance - "My God is the only one, everyone else is wrong. My philosophy and the way of life is the only right way, all other philosophies are wrong. How do I know - I JUST KNOW". So, I think we agree on this and there is no dispute between us.
Ha! Ha! Well, he was already married when he was in college and as Jocko said, he was a more mature student(in his late twenties), so it doesn`t seem like he was trying to do what a lot of college kids are trying to do when they`re in college(get laid and have fun). His focus was on learning and getting good grades, not chasing girls(and he already had a girl, anyways). It`s the same for me when I go back to college as a mature student. I`m not going back to school to chase women. I`m going back to school to learn and get good grades, get a good education and invest in a bright future for myself.
@@KuntChitface I watched the first video on your "legendary shit" playlist and it really was legendary that I will check out the rest of the videos in that playlist.
3:51 - When he really starts answering the question:) For anyone wondering what exactly Stoicism is - "an ancient Greek school of philosophy founded at Athens by Zeno of Citium. The school taught that virtue, the highest good, is based on knowledge; the wise live in harmony with the divine Reason (also identified with Fate and Providence) that governs nature, and are indifferent to the vicissitudes of fortune and to pleasure and pain."
these universal truths can probably be found within ourselves, but learning from the ancients and other people saves years of our time in finding that truth
By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest. ~Confucius Hard motherfuckers are hammered out by experience. That doesn’t make it right, better or superior it’s just how the world works.
The teachings of Stoicism, and of Zen, are deeply similar to Jocko's mode of being. Does he "follow" or "practice" these philosophies? Who cares. He probably doesn't know all there is to know about them; he lives these philosophies, he came to similar conclusions through his own experience of life, without having to read up on them.
In philosophy there are two types of people. Those that study the history of philosophy, and those that practice it. Jocko is the latter. Jocko is the kind of person academics teach about.
If you are interested in stoicism, read the meditations of Marcus Aurelius. Or the enchiridion or discourses of Epictetus. Or senecas letters. All ancient Roman stoic philosophers with timeless wisdom.
Reading Meditations started my whole process. Probably I would still be a wow playing degenerate complaining about life, without Marcus Aurelius. Dispite of having read it, I'm doing all the mistakes, but reading it put me in the right mindset so I can learn from the mistakes I make.
I love how well educated and developed you are as a person in the school of hard knocks. And yet you can now deeply appreciate the wisdom of the ancients and show a willingness to learn and yet show humility. Love your work mate.
Know Thyself. You can memorize all the answers to the test but that doesn't mean you understand the lesson. The truth is out there and it' sup to you to seek it. I agree with you Jocko and believe that all the paths eventually lead to the same place. Thank you for your perspective.
Looks like I need to make a small incision in my own lip to allow pouring the bowl effectively. This will take nutrients to repair. Soup has nutrients. GOOD.
The path we wanted to follow as kids, “I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." John Wayne The Shootist. Growing up in the "Old West" these were things that were ingrained in the culture itself.
It's a shame that modernity has caricatured Stoicism into some emotionless, cold, unsympathetic, and and detached way of not wanting to deal with life. People talk about "empowering" but miss stoicism's most helpful teaching of knowing your capabilities, knowing what is in your control, however small they may seem, is yours to take and enact your will upon, is unknowingly dismissed. Whether you're a veteran with PTSD, a rape victim, an orphan in a foster home in a third world country, with everything you've lost, don't lose your own agency. The youth is taught that things just happen to them wantonly, whether externally with the world around them or internally with one's mind and emotions, that until everything about the world is changed, only then can you do what you will, not realizing the great things that they can make happen, what they can do, however small and insignificant one may initially think they are at the moment. I think that is what's truly "empowering"
Jocko may not have subscribed to a particular philosophy or directly credit one for his growth but the people _he_ learned from by example almost certainly did. The self made man is a myth. Not a fan of Western education as he's described for all the reasons he's described: * Race to nowhere * Dogmatic learning and memorization * Too abstracted and sheltered from the real world Very few people can afford an education that dynamically pivots with our experiences, and the internet seems to be teaching us that access to information without guidance is as dangerous as raw ability guided by ignorance and pride. Not sure what the answer is or where we're headed but we seem to discussing more civilly and openly everyday. A lot of credit to Jocko for helping to make the conversations happen.
Ari Ugwu , great insight. It would seem that Jacko learned from the natural world vs. a civil society. We have the ability to learn from both and make the world better.
If you ask a stoic if they are a stoic they will say no. Stoicism isn't a title you pick up and put on, it's a life style and a set of principles you follow. I would say Jocko is a warrior stoic. He understands the necessity of war but preaches peace and betterment to all that listen.
Funnily enough Jocko, I learned of stoicism through a book I picked up in a whim. Don't know about the American schooling system, but here in England philosophy never came up in school, not until college (which is one step below university, and a course you have to pick). What I liked about the book however, a summary of most of western philosophy in which stoicism was a small chapter of many, was how applicable it was. That's why I agree with what you say about needing to come up with your own truisms, I tried my best to live as if I was a stoic to face the bullshit in my school and was able to internalise what that meant in my own way, using the book as a guide. I think some experience like this leads to what you're saying in the video. Just my two cents.
How do you guys define "college", exactly, over there? It's such a fucked up word in the United States. So....we can have a 4 year college, and if accredited, can be (in many cases) the same as a University. Oh, but that's not all. Sometimes, Universities use the word "college" as a subdivision. So, a University could have a "College of Engineering" and a "College of Business", etc etc. I'm seriously curious about this, and I wonder why it's such a weird word in the United States.
Marcus Aurelius was a military leader as well as statesman and shared Jocko's disdain for purely intellectual philosophers, the man needs to read Meditations.
Thank you Echo & Jocko i am presently listening to you both reading a Dance with a Highlander in Japanese prisoner or War Camp carrying on 12 Much love boys
He is right, a solid decade of living life as an adult, not being stubborn, trying new things, paying bills, making money, losing money, failing, succeeding, trying again, focusing on trying to be a good person, be it in the army, business, academia, labor, customer service, or love... it will bring you to a similar philosophical place if you are honest with yourself... hopefully that happens to most ppl by the time they are 30... Sadly it seems like most ppl don't even start that journey now until they are 30... that is also why it seems rather insane to me that society is listening to teenagers for advice now.
I don’t think it’s sad. I think it’s its own blessing to come upon an age where maturity is expected and realize how immature one is. The phrase better late than never really has value to it if a man discovers philosophy at 60 and has but a year left to live and lives that year to his best then ultimately it’s OK. Yes it would’ve been preferable in someways to have found philosophy when I was younger but I turn 30 in less than a year now, and I didn’t really start to understand philosophy until very recently. Would I be upset that my mind isn’t physiologically able to adhere to these messages, perhaps. But so long as I realize in the moment that I could be a better me then that’s all I really need. One of the more important things I’ve been applying is that we only ever have now whether we are children, grown adults or elderly it’s a message that’s been said many times by our greatest philosophers, and most superficial of popstar tweets. You can find it in the writings of Epictetus, Plato, Aurelius, nature, etc. etc. you can find it on those wooden planks that hang on basic white girl dorm room walls, fortune cookies, children’s cartoons, etc. But you never really find that message until you find it and you’ll never find it in that moment… suffice to say I’m rambling. But so long as one can find their truth in philosophy, and live by it for any amount of time, and that is time well spent at any time in their life.
I think there are many inspirational quotes, examples in life that can help us to become our best version of ourselves. Make sure that you test your own convictions and principles. That will give you the credibility to lead.
This is some very sharp philosophical thinking here. It slashes your thoughts about the subject and challenges your current attitude towards things to put it right there on a knife edge ridge.
That shirt Echo is wearing should say "GET AFTER IT" you guys can make both, in bad ass military font, love the idea of the word GOOD being mirrored, I was just thinking exactly that regarding the shirt, looking in the mirror during a work out or where ever, and getting more inspiration and affirmation from the collective of ideas that he represents, NICE!.
*_The greatest stoic philosopher may not have been physical warriors, but they were the greatest warriors of the mind who conquered that battlefield. I feel Jocko might relate with Epictetus the most. He was a Roman slave who transformed his life and eventually became one of the most respected people in his field_*
Whole generation of people & older idiots who've been had by there own computer... And might not ever be able to face to face it with meaningful relationships...but think wow I don't have to go anywhere & I can talk to all these people(maybe real)
I agree. I don`t even have a Twitter account. The internet is amazing and has changed the world for the better, I believe but some people spend far too much time on the internet and on their computer.
Hahaha Jocko is on point. Truth is truth, it doesn't matter where it comes from and universal truths are applicable to life. On a side note, Echo wearing a Jocko shirt is the BEST 😹😹👌💯🔥
I once read that the purpose of life is to find purpose in life. I think its important to expose yourself to as much as possible that is out there. Also, we should not stop at some way of thinking without asking what else is out there for us to explore.
I happened across a video about memento mori only to deep dive and the realisation that what I was watching was aligning with my own experiences and lessons from life made me feel as if I wasn't alone in the universe.i feel if Jocko ever reads more about stoicism he will feel the same way.
Learning about Albert Camus and reading The Stranger my Senior year changed my life and dominoed into kinda derailing the plans I had after high school, I think for the better, but we’ll see
Stoicism improved my life the past few years where medication, counseling and other methods failed. Part of that is due to time and being ready in the moment to make those changes, but it truly stands out among all other forms "self-help" to me. Voluntary hardship as practiced by Cynics and others is a HUGE part of the lifestyle of elite warriors on and off the battlefield.
2:07 That's so funny, because stoicism is all about doing the right thing instead of talking about doing the right thing. So by not blindly accepting academic philosophers and instead appreciating practical people who embody their philosophy, you are actually agreeing with stoic teachings :-) It is powerful how you have independently arrived at similar conclusions
Stoicism to me is intertwined with my masculinity. Men of virtue feel guilt and reprisal, the internal calls to duty, I find less to say on it as I age and that is the philosophy. I really don't know what's best or have some enlightened perspective for studying stoicism. You know what is right and should be doing, so do it, I don't want to hear it. That's it. There is no holy virtue or way to behave.
Great interview here. Still, I think it's important to also consider the standpoint of distancing oneself from ''life'' from time to time to see the bigger picture. Being constantly on stage and learning like that is great but only to a certain point. I talk by experience when I say that I learned a lot more about the reality of things by being in the ''bird mode'' if I can say that by being engaged in life itself. But hey, we clearly can't learn everything for the lifespan we all have so let's try to figuring out each of us what can be the best life we can live and then going with it!
Jocko Willink went to college so that he could learn even more by applying it. As well as going through life itself, taught him lessons about ways to think, create, have and maintain relationships, explain things in ways which helped him communicate effectively. AWESOMELY 👍👍😎😀!!
“It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.”― Epictetus
When I come across something that seems to me to be a Universal Truth, like the one you posted above, it always pops up multiple times by different authors. Theres a ton, but here is one:
“What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”
― Mark Twain
That's a nice one!
thats a good one and so true. a word like this exist only to make people think for themself and act on it
I don't buy that.
Xavier Ryan timeless , universal values and words have always fascinated me greatly 😊
I love the fact Jocko is pointing with a knife instead of a pen like how normal podcasters do.
You're wrong, that is a pen, you just haven't figure it out yet, it's also his natural conducting tool, he is a, conductor.
Just noticed!
👍
What kind of knife is this I want it!
@2.5in Bore Offset Yes, also lets say yes to nuking hurricanes :)
“Don't explain your philosophy. Embody it.” - Epictetus
Yes, but far important, embody it without becoming unconditional about it. Because as much sure you are about it's rightness, you could be wrong.
@@JustDoIt12131 Now that's a fanaticism. Our "reality" is an Idea/Opinion/Perception and those should be dynamic. So I think we need to remind our self's - "Shut up and listen what others has to say, maybe you learn something".
@@ulewsjulius What I said is a fanaticism? It's precisely the opposite. Becoming unconditional about a philosophy is the definition of fanaticism and I'm saying you should never become unconditional. Maybe you misread my comment.
@@JustDoIt12131 Nah, you misread my comment. What I meant is - if your opinion is unconditional you starting to smell like a fanatic. For instance - "My God is the only one, everyone else is wrong. My philosophy and the way of life is the only right way, all other philosophies are wrong. How do I know - I JUST KNOW". So, I think we agree on this and there is no dispute between us.
@@JustDoIt12131 The Dichotomy of Embodiment
Are you a stoic?
Jocko: No (proceeds to give the most stoic answer ever)
Counterfeit comment alert.
🤣🤣
“Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one.”
- Marcus Aurelius.
I feel like that was what Jacko was trying to say.
Stoic in house teacher me
lick or rice
Being One Obe can no be , but i'm no Honour tae the Brit-tish Empire Me
is thou i ended up here.
@@scottishrestorian1999 Shut your gob, you drunkard Scot.
That is an amazing quote
Jocko gave that guy the quote
This is the best book-club in disguise I have ever seen.
Lmao damn
Yes, it is. There's even a knife.
Word to your mother
"Do you follow stoicism?"
- "No."
Doesn't get much more stoic than that.
just like any intelligent person would answer "no" if asked "are you smart?" The more you know, the more you understand that you don't
But what about a bit of tisim
That's laconism.
Yeah, exactly. lol
Jocko doesn't follow stoicism, he leads it!
A podcast about Marcus Aurelius's Meditations would be great!
agree
As soon as I saw that this clip was uploaded, I was filled with hope that a Meditations review might be the reason it was.
And Sun Tzu`s The Art Of War would be great,too.
Amazing book
J R check out episode 23 is that what you’re looking for?
I really love these small clips from podcasts, hits a lot of points immediately
I reckon to chop the podcast partially do catch the attention by title and kind of focusing your mind on that specific subject, indeed
Accidental Stoic is still a Stoic. :)
Needs more up votes
That's what he ends up saying and explaining
Yep
Like Cato the younger
"You know what I was trying to do in college...? Get good grades".
I honestly thought that was going somewhere else.
Hahaha, same.
Shows were your mind is.
Ha! Ha! Well, he was already married when he was in college and as Jocko said, he was a more mature student(in his late twenties), so it doesn`t seem like he was trying to do what a lot of college kids are trying to do when they`re in college(get laid and have fun).
His focus was on learning and getting good grades, not chasing girls(and he already had a girl, anyways). It`s the same for me when I go back to college as a mature student. I`m not going back to school to chase women. I`m going back to school to learn and get good grades, get a good education and invest in a bright future for myself.
Simple. He had a goal to work hard.
@@KuntChitface I watched the first video on your "legendary shit" playlist and it really was legendary that I will check out the rest of the videos in that playlist.
I love how Echo has a picture of Jocko on his t-shirt
I wonder if Jocko finds it weird to look at someone wearing a shirt with his face on it.
I need one
"We'll do an episode on Marcus Aurelius at some point" - 150 episodes later: still no Marcus Aurelius.
How dare you question the wise way of jocko. Hahaha I agree tho I would love to see it.
I love that Jocko is just casually waving a knife around as he talks.
You don’t?
Jocko maniacally waving around a knife & waxing philosophical wins the decade. Time to close up shop.
"that's it, internet, you have achieved your purpose"
"Waxing?" Bro, that's pretty cringe, bro.
I think Jocko is a descendent of Kratos, lol
Ray D. Nailer haha I see it 😂
To me he's kinda like the closest thing to a real life Sam Fisher. Former SEAL lifelong military, older, jaded etc.
How does that merit a "lol"?
3:51 - When he really starts answering the question:)
For anyone wondering what exactly Stoicism is - "an ancient Greek school of philosophy founded at Athens by Zeno of Citium. The school taught that virtue, the highest good, is based on knowledge; the wise live in harmony with the divine Reason (also identified with Fate and Providence) that governs nature, and are indifferent to the vicissitudes of fortune and to pleasure and pain."
these universal truths can probably be found within ourselves, but learning from the ancients and other people saves years of our time in finding that truth
Agreed
"you focus on the learning. GOOD. you still get your A." - Jocko Wilink
By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest.
~Confucius
Hard motherfuckers are hammered out by experience. That doesn’t make it right, better or superior it’s just how the world works.
Eugh, reflection for the win
Jocko seems so convincing in the points he's making whenever he holds a knife
The teachings of Stoicism, and of Zen, are deeply similar to Jocko's mode of being. Does he "follow" or "practice" these philosophies? Who cares. He probably doesn't know all there is to know about them; he lives these philosophies, he came to similar conclusions through his own experience of life, without having to read up on them.
Best comment 👌💯🔥
The fact that he didn't study them but still lives them proves that had he been born first the philosophy students would have been studying him.
His life experience 💯💯
Yeah he just said that thanks for the summary
Skinny Pete you're welcome
In philosophy there are two types of people. Those that study the history of philosophy, and those that practice it. Jocko is the latter. Jocko is the kind of person academics teach about.
The book "Siddhartha" helped me understand many things.
If you are interested in stoicism, read the meditations of Marcus Aurelius. Or the enchiridion or discourses of Epictetus. Or senecas letters. All ancient Roman stoic philosophers with timeless wisdom.
Reading Meditations started my whole process. Probably I would still be a wow playing degenerate complaining about life, without Marcus Aurelius.
Dispite of having read it, I'm doing all the mistakes, but reading it put me in the right mindset so I can learn from the mistakes I make.
DivingDave wow degenerates make millions nowadays... 😂
Alix Ch not the point
Alix Ch Doesn't change them from being degenerates
Get at it bro!
I love how well educated and developed you are as a person in the school of hard knocks. And yet you can now deeply appreciate the wisdom of the ancients and show a willingness to learn and yet show humility. Love your work mate.
"Once you label me, you negate me" - Søren Kierkegaard
"Do you follow stoicism?"
- "No,
I lead."
Know Thyself. You can memorize all the answers to the test but that doesn't mean you understand the lesson. The truth is out there and it' sup to you to seek it. I agree with you Jocko and believe that all the paths eventually lead to the same place. Thank you for your perspective.
Jocko handed a knife to eat soup with "Thank you sir, I look forward to this challenge"
A knife to eat soup? GOOD!
Looks like I need to make a small incision in my own lip to allow pouring the bowl effectively. This will take nutrients to repair. Soup has nutrients. GOOD.
Roger, no factor.
Negative, thats what the soup said Jocko
We want a Jocko Academy!
Re-watching and I was reminded of this...your own testimony should be solid gold. Thank you both for the inspiration you bring.
Jocko love how you still dedicate so much time to these podcasts I think the more I get your mindset the better I overcome what’s in front of me
The path we wanted to follow as kids,
“I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." John Wayne The Shootist.
Growing up in the "Old West" these were things that were ingrained in the culture itself.
It's a shame that modernity has caricatured Stoicism into some emotionless, cold, unsympathetic, and and detached way of not wanting to deal with life.
People talk about "empowering" but miss stoicism's most helpful teaching of knowing your capabilities, knowing what is in your control, however small they may seem, is yours to take and enact your will upon, is unknowingly dismissed. Whether you're a veteran with PTSD, a rape victim, an orphan in a foster home in a third world country, with everything you've lost, don't lose your own agency. The youth is taught that things just happen to them wantonly, whether externally with the world around them or internally with one's mind and emotions, that until everything about the world is changed, only then can you do what you will, not realizing the great things that they can make happen, what they can do, however small and insignificant one may initially think they are at the moment. I think that is what's truly "empowering"
Jocko, you’re the best. No nonsense. Tight and terse. Keep on, all respect.
I learn every time I listen to the Jocko podcast. Thank you Jocko and Echo. 🙏
I love how echo has a picture of jocko on his shirt
Jocko may not have subscribed to a particular philosophy or directly credit one for his growth but the people _he_ learned from by example almost certainly did. The self made man is a myth.
Not a fan of Western education as he's described for all the reasons he's described:
* Race to nowhere
* Dogmatic learning and memorization
* Too abstracted and sheltered from the real world
Very few people can afford an education that dynamically pivots with our experiences, and the internet seems to be teaching us that access to information without guidance is as dangerous as raw ability guided by ignorance and pride.
Not sure what the answer is or where we're headed but we seem to discussing more civilly and openly everyday. A lot of credit to Jocko for helping to make the conversations happen.
Ari Ugwu , great insight. It would seem that Jacko learned from the natural world vs. a civil society. We have the ability to learn from both and make the world better.
"universal truths". Well pointed.
Really want that Marcus Aurelius episode Jocko!
2:50 - couldn't agree more! Nice one...
Jocko almost certainly follows the same tenets as stoicism, or at least learned from people who are stoics
Jocko Seneca the Younger is the man. "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."
Two introductions worth reading: the intro to maimonides' "guide for the perplexed. The intro to chaim luzzato's "path of the righteous."
My favourite Jocko talk so far, thank you
Thank you for this clip!
These podcasts have so much knowledge.Thank you.
That link between lessons taught by war and ancient philosophy really built a bridge for me in my mind, thank you jocko!
Man I love these two men. I may not be as tough as them but they make me see what is possible so I try my best to follow in their foot steps.
Memento Mori.
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you focus on the learnin, u still get your A!
I love this
Wow. I've seen all the podcasts, and so many of these clips, and I think this may be the best clip Echo's ever made
If you ask a stoic if they are a stoic they will say no. Stoicism isn't a title you pick up and put on, it's a life style and a set of principles you follow. I would say Jocko is a warrior stoic. He understands the necessity of war but preaches peace and betterment to all that listen.
Funnily enough Jocko, I learned of stoicism through a book I picked up in a whim. Don't know about the American schooling system, but here in England philosophy never came up in school, not until college (which is one step below university, and a course you have to pick). What I liked about the book however, a summary of most of western philosophy in which stoicism was a small chapter of many, was how applicable it was. That's why I agree with what you say about needing to come up with your own truisms, I tried my best to live as if I was a stoic to face the bullshit in my school and was able to internalise what that meant in my own way, using the book as a guide. I think some experience like this leads to what you're saying in the video. Just my two cents.
How do you guys define "college", exactly, over there? It's such a fucked up word in the United States. So....we can have a 4 year college, and if accredited, can be (in many cases) the same as a University. Oh, but that's not all. Sometimes, Universities use the word "college" as a subdivision. So, a University could have a "College of Engineering" and a "College of Business", etc etc. I'm seriously curious about this, and I wonder why it's such a weird word in the United States.
Marcus Aurelius was a military leader as well as statesman and shared Jocko's disdain for purely intellectual philosophers, the man needs to read Meditations.
Being disciplined, making wise decisions and choices is 100% well-worth the effort!
Man the way he talks with the knife is so badass. I’m gonna do that in my next job interview. I’ll for sure get the job 😂
Been reading a lot of Ryan Holiday lately. I feel like it pairs very well with Jocko's writings. Highly recommend.
You definitely walk the stoic path regardless. Grateful as always for the inspiration.
my favorite image ever is jock holding a knife saying "how learned and well read i am". can someone please make this a meme?
“Well dad, I’m focused on the learning!” No one can pull a fast one on this man. Hahaha
another great one....i really love pod cast...
Fundamental truth is out there. How you learn it doesn’t matter. That you learn it is all that matters. Absolutely spot on as usual Jocko.
Some things in life you have to learn on your own, through experience 💪🏼
1)When the stoics congregate on this chat....
2)Jocko is basically a stoic who has varied it slightly to produce a modern day philosophy unwittingly
"When you know The Way broadly, you we see it in everything."
I agree with everything Jocko says when he has a knife in his hand.
Good one echo. Outstanding
"6 mo ago I kinda considered myself a kid". Endearing.
Thank you Echo & Jocko i am presently listening to you both reading a Dance with a Highlander in Japanese prisoner or War Camp carrying on 12
Much love boys
He is right, a solid decade of living life as an adult, not being stubborn, trying new things, paying bills, making money, losing money, failing, succeeding, trying again, focusing on trying to be a good person, be it in the army, business, academia, labor, customer service, or love... it will bring you to a similar philosophical place if you are honest with yourself... hopefully that happens to most ppl by the time they are 30... Sadly it seems like most ppl don't even start that journey now until they are 30... that is also why it seems rather insane to me that society is listening to teenagers for advice now.
I don’t think it’s sad. I think it’s its own blessing to come upon an age where maturity is expected and realize how immature one is. The phrase better late than never really has value to it if a man discovers philosophy at 60 and has but a year left to live and lives that year to his best then ultimately it’s OK. Yes it would’ve been preferable in someways to have found philosophy when I was younger but I turn 30 in less than a year now, and I didn’t really start to understand philosophy until very recently. Would I be upset that my mind isn’t physiologically able to adhere to these messages, perhaps. But so long as I realize in the moment that I could be a better me then that’s all I really need.
One of the more important things I’ve been applying is that we only ever have now whether we are children, grown adults or elderly it’s a message that’s been said many times by our greatest philosophers, and most superficial of popstar tweets. You can find it in the writings of Epictetus, Plato, Aurelius, nature, etc. etc. you can find it on those wooden planks that hang on basic white girl dorm room walls, fortune cookies, children’s cartoons, etc.
But you never really find that message until you find it and you’ll never find it in that moment… suffice to say I’m rambling. But so long as one can find their truth in philosophy, and live by it for any amount of time, and that is time well spent at any time in their life.
I think there are many inspirational quotes, examples in life that can help us to become our best version of ourselves. Make sure that you test your own convictions and principles. That will give you the credibility to lead.
This is some very sharp philosophical thinking here. It slashes your thoughts about the subject and challenges your current attitude towards things to put it right there on a knife edge ridge.
"If there's nothing you can do, do nothing" - Me, the last 10 plus years
This is the way
That shirt Echo is wearing should say "GET AFTER IT" you guys can make both, in bad ass military font, love the idea of the word GOOD being mirrored, I was just thinking exactly that regarding the shirt, looking in the mirror during a work out or where ever, and getting more inspiration and affirmation from the collective of ideas that he represents, NICE!.
*_The greatest stoic philosopher may not have been physical warriors, but they were the greatest warriors of the mind who conquered that battlefield. I feel Jocko might relate with Epictetus the most. He was a Roman slave who transformed his life and eventually became one of the most respected people in his field_*
Enjoyed that
Great discussion
Twitter is not an effective tool for communication.
Whole generation of people & older idiots who've been had by there own computer...
And might not ever be able to face to face it with meaningful relationships...but think wow I don't have to go anywhere & I can talk to all these people(maybe real)
I agree. I don`t even have a Twitter account. The internet is amazing and has changed the world for the better, I believe but some people spend far too much time on the internet and on their computer.
The POTUS thinks otherwise.
depends on the purpose of your communication
Yeah. Nothing can replace real interaction. I don't even use my Twitter account.
Thanks
I’ve totally had the same thoughts about teaching history
Love how he is holding a knife the whole time
Hahaha Jocko is on point. Truth is truth, it doesn't matter where it comes from and universal truths are applicable to life.
On a side note, Echo wearing a Jocko shirt is the BEST 😹😹👌💯🔥
I once read that the purpose of life is to find purpose in life. I think its important to expose yourself to as much as possible that is out there. Also, we should not stop at some way of thinking without asking what else is out there for us to explore.
Great podcast Jocko !
Very humbly put
Correcting yourself and changing the negative behaviors and thoughts you have will help tremendously IF you take action snd apply it.
I happened across a video about memento mori only to deep dive and the realisation that what I was watching was aligning with my own experiences and lessons from life made me feel as if I wasn't alone in the universe.i feel if Jocko ever reads more about stoicism he will feel the same way.
Learning about Albert Camus and reading The Stranger my Senior year changed my life and dominoed into kinda derailing the plans I had after high school, I think for the better, but we’ll see
Valuable knowledge right here.
Stoicism improved my life the past few years where medication, counseling and other methods failed. Part of that is due to time and being ready in the moment to make those changes, but it truly stands out among all other forms "self-help" to me. Voluntary hardship as practiced by Cynics and others is a HUGE part of the lifestyle of elite warriors on and off the battlefield.
2:07 That's so funny, because stoicism is all about doing the right thing instead of talking about doing the right thing.
So by not blindly accepting academic philosophers and instead appreciating practical people who embody their philosophy, you are actually agreeing with stoic teachings :-)
It is powerful how you have independently arrived at similar conclusions
Humility on point
As always
Stoicism to me is intertwined with my masculinity. Men of virtue feel guilt and reprisal, the internal calls to duty, I find less to say on it as I age and that is the philosophy. I really don't know what's best or have some enlightened perspective for studying stoicism. You know what is right and should be doing, so do it, I don't want to hear it. That's it. There is no holy virtue or way to behave.
Great interview here. Still, I think it's important to also consider the standpoint of distancing oneself from ''life'' from time to time to see the bigger picture. Being constantly on stage and learning like that is great but only to a certain point. I talk by experience when I say that I learned a lot more about the reality of things by being in the ''bird mode'' if I can say that by being engaged in life itself. But hey, we clearly can't learn everything for the lifespan we all have so let's try to figuring out each of us what can be the best life we can live and then going with it!
jocko you are the knife those intellectuals are holding.
Jocko Willink went to college so that he could learn even more by applying it. As well as going through life itself, taught him lessons about ways to think, create, have and maintain relationships, explain things in ways which helped him communicate effectively.
AWESOMELY 👍👍😎😀!!